more on top of the pile, how we separated with our rescue grids and focus on a different area. the technique hasn't changed. we're layering process as process as we go through. the search is the same and again, we were able to locate the victim today. unfortunately, nothing positive. >> [ indiscernible question ] >> in regards to the rescue grids, the victims we found are scattered throughout in a sense where they're in different grids. today the last one was in grid b 2 is the way we have it set up. but the victims that we located that's all been throughout not

one specific isolated area. definitely weather, it enhances. with the water as we're making en entry, as we tunnel into certain areas. like i mentioned, when we find a void and want to go further, deep tore see if there is a deeper void to see if there is different findings. there is concern with rain and debris and sliding. it an extremely dangerous sit bas -- situation and can't emphasize enough what we're doing. you know, it's a very, very difficult and challenging situation and we're doing the best we can, what we're trained to do and definitely continue moving forward. >> final question in english and we'll switch to spanish. >> [ indiscernible question ]

>> we had our building official go through the champlain north and east and address concerns a top to bottom evaluation to determine whether or not the buildings are structurally sound and we might be able to make a determination whether or not there is an issue there in the meantime the residents have been

given the option to relocate with fears in regards to the structural integrity. i'd like to add i came from the meetings with the family, they will have five or six to give comfort to families. we seem to be constantly and i believe we are increasing the numbers of search and rescue team members that are available so that was something the family was happy to hear. good evening. i'm erin burnett. you've been listening to a news conference on the catastrophic condo collapse. the mayor of miami-dade said one

more person was found dead. confirmed dead are 11 and 150 people are unaccounted for. they are talking about another team from the idf and israel coming in adding people but there are hundreds scouring the debris. we've obtained, though, some documents that show the condo's owners were about to face assessments for $15 million worth of repairs to the building. those retpairs include fixes to the roof and facade to issues that were raised, actually, three years ago, three years ago they were raised in a 2018 report that's very troubling. they're now dealing with them. they were going to deal with them now. at the time they were warned of a major structural damage to the building including cracks below the pool and parking garage and cnn learning of an email from a resident in the building to a town commissioner in 2019 that warned nearby construction is

digging too close to our property adding we have concerns regarding the structure of our building. all of these pieces to the puzzle adding up. coming as president biden now calls for a federal investigation into the disaster as officials are racing to inspect dozens of other buildings in the area from top to bottom including what you heard the mayor reference the other two champlain towers to see if the buildings are safe and secure. boris is in surfside. they gave a lot of information. they confirmed 11 people dead. what is the latest on the invest investigation? >> erin, the mayor confirming search crews are making significant progress in their efforts despite that, these families are still in excruciating agony waiting to find answers for loved ones and demanding answers how this could have happened as very significant reports raise some red flags.

>> we do obviously, need to identify why this happened. >> urging patience, officials in south side, florida vowing to get answers tonight. >> something that be will be very thorough and won't happen in a day or two. this will take a long time. that's the time horizon they work on. >> as rescue crews race to sight lives, investigators and engineers studying the potential causes of thursday's collapse. a report done three years ago by a consulting company hired by the condo association is raising serious questions and an engineer describing major structural damage to the concrete slap under the entrance drive and the pool. the report said quote, the waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive as well as all of the planter waterproofing is beyond its useful life and therefore must all be completely removed and replaced. the 2018 survey called for quick repairs to prevent bigger problems. warning quote, failure to replace the waterproofing in the

near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand. documents obtained by cnn show condo owners were facing assessments for $15 million in repairs. payments were supposed to begin days before the building collapse. the report was sent to a building official who two days later assured residents the tower was in very good shape according to meeting minutes obtained by cnn. the engineering firm said it had been retained this month by the condo association for the building's massive repair project. the company says roof repairs were taking place at the time of the collapse but concrete restoration had not yet started. residents voiced concerns about water leaking and cracked concrete in the garage with the tower frequently shaking amid construction next door. he no longer works for the city of surfside has not yet responded to cnn's request for

comment. james kcohen says the report di not include key details about the foundation and didn't indicate any immediate danger. >> there is nothing i saw that would suggest people needed to vacate the building. the inspection did not include the foundations, which would be covered by a slab. it may have been prudent to open up the slab to see how things were doing below where one could s see. >> erin, a quick note on the $15 million worth of repairs, that was approved by the condo association a couple months ago in april, and residents of the building were supposed to start making payments on it on 11 -- 1st, one week from when the building came crashing down. >> thank you very much. i want to go to steve rosenthal who survived the collapse. he was unit over from where it

collapsed. lived in the building for more than 20 years and filed the first individual lawsuit against the champlain towers association. i appreciate your time and to be one away, just got to be reliving it every moment here that you've had since. let me ask you about what happened. you were there. 1:30 in the morning in your apartment in bed and then what do you remember in that moment, in those seconds? >> well, i remember i was sleeping, and i heard the loudest thunder clap i ever heard in my lifetimes 100 and i'm going okay, you know, it's miami. it's a storm coming in. it going to be a big storm and five seconds later, the bed is shaking, the room is shaking and i'm going, all right, i'm in a dream in california. then five seconds later, dust is falling from the ceiling and it's hitting my face and i'm

going this is no dream. this is real. i jump up, went to the living room to open up the -- i think it's an earthquake. all i can think of is that it was an earthquake and i open up the sliding glass door and i saw nothing but dust. i went to the door to the hallway, nothing but dust. then i went all right, i'm in the middle of it. this is a one in a 10,000 year earthquake that hits florida and i put on some pants, a t-shirt, packed a shopping bag with some items, open up the door again to see if i could get out the fire escape and all i saw was cement, rubble, wood, people yelling help me, get me out, help me and i ran to the balcony and was praying that the building didn't fall on me, collapse on me. >> i mean -- >> got rescued by fire rescue, i guess, about an hour or hour and a half later and it's pretty

unbelievable. >> i mean, it certainly is. i mean, god, i listen to you steve, and i'm thinking about people who may have been unlucky enough to have the first part of that experience and then it ended so differently or they were trapped or, you know, i mean, i'm sure you thank god every moment that you're alive. you know, i know you shared -- >> absolutely. >> you talk about when you opened your door. you said a moment ago it was completely blocked of concrete and steel. i know you have a picture of it to put up on the screen. the one you shared with us, steve. >> okay. >> how did you get out of the building and i guess as part of that, when did you realize this was not an earthquake and that an entire building attached to yours had fallen down? >> okay, when i looked -- when i was on the balcony -- i thought it was an earthquake so i'm looking to see the damage across the street or fires in the city

of miami or something and i saw there was no damage to the tennis court and to the houses and other buildings. i'm going well, this is probably because of the roof. we were doing some -- they were doing roofing work. that's all that came to mind and someone on another balcony, said the whole building in the back collapsed. we went the building in the back, the whole tower collapsed? what does that mean? they said it's collapsed, it's gone. we're all sitting there shaking going well, are we going to collapse? you know, because the fire officials are going you need to evacuate. you need to evacuate. you couldn't go down the fire stairs. and so we had to wait for the fire rescue to come up with the ladder and get pulled in. and that's how we got out. >> i mean, so gosh, this is just -- it's incredible. i mentioned, steve, at the beginning you have filed the first individual lawsuit. you know the building well. i know you've lived there for 20 years, unless i'm mistaken and

i'm about to speak to a lawyer who sued the condo association a few years ago in 2015 specifically over cracks in a resident's unit. and now we're learning about that 2018 report from an engineer who warned of major structural damage to the building. residents felt shaking and concerned about construction from a building next door. you mentioned the roof construction. do you -- did you have any concerns about the building, anything that made you feel deeply unsettled recently? >> honestly, erin, i lived on the beach for 20 years and had condos on the beach and there is always crack on the balconies from salt water and erosion and sun. so seeing cracks here and there didn't bother me. i was not aware of structural damage and a report from 2019 of a $9 million assessment that

turned into a $15 million assessment three years later. i was not aware of that. >> that shows significant, significant issues they were not aware of. thank you very much. appreciate your sharing this and i am glad you're okay -- >> i appreciate it. erin, if i can thank the community and volunteers and charity people that have stepped up have been totally amazing. appreciate it. they have been great. >> thank you. danielle wagner is an attorney for a resident that sued the champlain towers in 2015. i just referenced them to steve. there was water damage due to cracks in the building. the resident did settle with the condo association. that condo is gone. it is gone. today it was destroyed in the collapse. thankfully, the resident was not home at that time. so danella, your client among the very, very lucky. tell me, though, because this is all looking as if there was -- there were problems, they were

serious problems. they became excruciatingly serious problems causing a near doubling in the amount of money they were going to asses people for. all this happening in the past few years. so your client's story becomes very crucial in this timeline. what damage did your client see in the unit? >> well, erin, thank you for having me first and foremost, i want to thank al the first responders, everybody that has been helping out here at the site. i was here with my wife yesterday volunteering so i want to thank all the volunteers, as well as my heart and prayers go out to the families of those affected. my -- in that case, my client's unit was getting water instrintrusion from the exterior walls. her unit sat at the east side of the building facing the ocean in front of the pool. so those walls were gravely affected during from extreme weather events, salt, et cetera and it's one of those situations where the walls were crumbling.

the stucco was off. the concrete was exposed and so was some steel rebar that we seen through that exposed wall. >> obviously, rebar will become crucial here. you know, not something we hear about a lot but i think it's going to become really crucial what was happening there with that crucial material in the wall. was the problem daniel ever fixed and, you know, after the settlement when they quote unquote did whatever they did to fix it, were there continued signs of damage to your client's unit? >> well, we filed a lawsuit to hold the building accountable for the damage to my client's unit due to the water intrusion from the exterior walls. the situation is such that once the water got into the unit, obviously, they were notified accordingly. unfortunately, had to result in a lawsuit being filed for them

to take action to correct the problems. once the settlement occurred, which was under confidentiality so i can't speak to the terms of it, it's my understanding they did do some patch work. some work to the exterior walls but obviously, it persisted. so much so that as recent as april of 2021, my client sent me a photograph that she took where again, the stucco was breaking off. the concrete was exposed and rebar was showing as corroded. >> wow. and it was still happening and it was getting worse. i mean, you're seeing corroded rebar. was your client aware of other residents with similar complaints? >> i have not been made aware of other parties during that time period. i have been receiving information from other parties, other residents that the situation was for lack of a better tomorrow a little ramped. it's unfortunate the 2015

lawsuit that we handled was not addressed or was not -- they did not take it seriously enough to deal with those issues more intently throughout the entire building. >> before you go, let me ask you, obviously, you know, i'm using the word client because i don't want to say who she is and that's confidential, was she still living there? it seems miraculous that she was not in the building during this when so many lost their lives? >> yes, i would definitely say she's blessed. she was not in the building at the time nor was her family. thank god she's safe. >> thank you very much daniel for your time tonight. thanks. >> thank you very much. next, breaking news, t"the mi miami herald" who visited the condo building before the collapse said there was water all over the garage.

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breaking news "the miami herald" reporting a pool company noticed standing water all over the garage and the pool equipment room he saw cracked concrete, exposed rebar, there it is again, exposed rebar and a wet floor in the pool equipment room. the contractor says he saw the issues while there to prepare a bid for a cosmetic restoration of the pool and new equipment. this is another photo that he says shows severe corrosion in the room. that's unbelievable. contractor said he took these photos he shared with "the herald" to show the job could be complicated. he declined to say if the association was aware of the

issues. sarah broke this joining me on the phone. sarah, you know, the pictures are disturbing. they look like a building that's, you know, that's been destroyed and uninhabited. they're horrible. tell me what the contractor saw and shared with you. >> the contractor told me he's been in some quote scary buildings before. cracks aren't that unusual in miami but he said that amount of standing water was and what he saw in that pool equipment room that he photographed and sent to his boss, he also said that was, you know, a laralarming to him. he wondered to himself immediately why is this building not maintaining itself better? why haven't they taken care of this problem? because that problem doesn't just happen overnight and he knows that. he's a contractor. he works on pools and he saw

that and thought okay, well, they're going to need to repair the structural slab up there under the pool that he's looking at so he's thinking, telling his boss we'll have to remove pipes and other things. this job will be more complicated even if we're just coming in here to do a cosmetic repair. they're going to have to do something to those structural slabs. that's what he told me was going through his mind as he saw that two days before the collapse. >> and sarah, what is incredible, too, is something you said there, which i know is obvious but i want to emphasize, which it doesn't happen overnight. you don't have a room look like that overnight. it comes because of a long time of not doing maintenance. the contractor told you, i believe, he was so concerned and alarmed because you used that word, that, you know, he didn't tell his boss we have to make this bid more expensive he flagged it to a member of the staff because he was so alarmed

two days before the building collapsed. what did he say to the building member and what did they say back? >> well, what he flagged the building member was the standing water in the garage so apparently, about half way between the north and south walls inside the garage this is a basement level garage, right underneath the pool deck, he said wow and that's a lot of standing water. what's going on there? and what the staff member, the maintenance staff member told him was he thought it had to do with the waterproofing on the tiles of the pool deck above and the reason that that's important or stands out there is a 2018 inspection report on this building that says there was major error in the design of that pool deck allowing water to pool and causing that pooling water then caused severe structural damage to the slabs below.

so what he saw was the standing water right beneath the area that that report flagged. >> and you then took all this information, sarah, i know you spoke to an engineer and concrete restaurant expert about these details and asked directly could this have contributed to the collapse? what did they tell you? >> what's pictured they told me was alarming, but the important thing to remember is that that picture is actually of an area that is along the south side of the building's lower level. the part that collapsed is the north side of the building. so what is pictured didn't actually collapse. the two concerns are this, one, if other structural slabs and other beams look like what is in that picture and other parts of the building where there is more weight on top of it where the actual 12-story structure sits on top of it, the expert i spoke to said that absolutely could have been a reason for a collapse.

the other thing is even though that beam is away from the collapse zone, my understanding from the experts that i spoke to is that the way the building is built, this asymmetric shape means that even if something fails that isn't directly in the collapse site, it can cause twisting that pulls on other parts of the building and can cause another failure if indeed there was another part that was weakened from those years of water further away. it is possible that this beam contributeded but we just don't know. >> gosh, all we know is that lots and lots of small mistakes and not having maintenance and not having maintenance, all of a sudden you have a straw that breaks the camel's back. that breaking reporting from the investigation. i want to ga to po to pablo rod now. we've been speaking to him since

the first day this happened and pablo, of course, your mother and grandmother are still unaccounted for. i'm so sorry for that. you hear this reporting from "the miami herald" the damage in the garage. the standing water. the pictures he took of the pool. he was struck maintenance. he was alarmed. what's your reaction when you hear all of that? >> my reaction,e erin, it confirms what i felt initially. buildings don't collapse here in america. buildings don't fall down by themselves. the fact this confirms the maintenance was not done over the many years. the board collects over a million dollars in maintenance fees every single year. where was that money going because it wasn't going to maintenance? in 2019 the damage was so severe, why didn't they do anything?

they waited until 2021 to try to start beginning do something and those pictures and the article that came out i read on the way over here, i have no words for that. >> in 2018, $9 million and double it in three years and say the crisis they have to do it. i mean, pablo, i am so struck by something you told me the first time we spoke which is that your mother had been really tired the night this happened because the day before she was awoke in the middle of the night with creaking noises and loud like i don't know if you described it as a bang but loud noise so she wasn't able to sleep the rest of the night and it was stuff coming from the walls. so now you hear about all these other things, i mean, it just -- it's hard not to think about that moment that that -- what she heard -- >> it's hard not to replay that. you're 100% correct, erin. it hard not to replay that in

your mind over and over again. it was loud enough for her to mention it woke her up, the creaking noises from the building. you see the pictures how did they not tell people it was in this horrible of a condition? the rebar was exposed. the contractor confirms that the maintenance doesn't happen overnight like that. it's shocking that they allowed it to get like this. it's negligence and their negligence caused a lot of death here. >> i know -- >> not just my family. i feel strongly for that. >> i know you've provided dna and you want to know, you want to know what happened. you want to be able to grieve. you -- >> i do. >> -- are still waiting for the news of your mother and grandmother. how are you -- how are you handling that, this not knowing and i know your 6-year-old son having to deal with him not knowing, how are you pacing yourself through this? >> it's extremely difficult, erin. we're trying to keep it together for him. he keeps asking us where is ama

and when are they coming over? why don't you face time them? call the people looking for them and they can find them to come over now. we don't have anything to tell him. we have no news. it's been very difficult. i pass by here. today is the first day i'm on site in this area i can see the building and i got out of the car and i just completely broke down. the guard rail wasn't there. i would have ended up on the floor crying. it was completely overwhelming and it's very difficult not knowing and really the only hope i have is that they find them. we can have some kind of proper burial and close sure and hope they investigate this and the people responsible are held to be responsible. they're held to be accountable so this never happens again. we need serious reform in condo boards and building inspections. 40 years before an inspection. the internet didn't exist when this building was made and we're

letting it continue on at the hope that the board does the right thing. >> pablo, thank you. >> thanks, erin. >> i want to go to dr. howard leberman now, he's working with the rescue crews. you hear pablo and his grief. he still does not have answers about his mother and grandmother desperately wants them. can you tell me what is happening? we know there is hundreds of people who are on and off of that site trying desperately to find family members, but what is happening at the site? >> so as you know, we've been here since the very beginning and we haven't stopped and every day we're getting more and more resources, more and more assets coming in. we're literally working 24/7. we have so many people out there with such great specialties.

we have people raising, you know, concrete slabs that weigh thousands of pounds side by side people using their hands and buckets to take up smaller pieces of debris. this goes on 24/7. this is not stopping. this hasn't stopped. we are committed to this. you know, this story, your previous guest breaks all of our hearts and we are not stopping. we are keeping on going. we've had a few delays buzz of weather but aside from that, we're determined to just keep going until every single piece of debris is removed. >> doctor, pablo from the beginning has been both grieving and outraged and heart broken and realistic. but of course, people are hoping and praying for there are some miracles that come out of this situation, even know. i want to play something the assistant fire chief said today. here he is, doctor. >> there are certain areas that we have not gotten to but been

able to place cameras that seem to have large enough spaces, voids that occupants may still be in there. >> so it's been more than 113 hours since the building collapsed. doctor, you know, when you think about this, do you believe there could be anyone alive in there? >> you know, you hear it before and everyone says you can't give up hope and, you know, the reality is you can't determine something until your job is done. as a trama surgeon, i've on occasion kouncounted outpatient didn't think would survive and they did. same thing here. people can survive. depends if there is a void long enough, large enough, what their overall health condition is, young or old. are they in a collapsed area next to a fridge with food. the rainwater coming trickling in. there is a lot of different factors that could, you know, help and aid someone's survival

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tonight lawyers for the trump organization making a

final effort to enpersuade the office not to pursue criminal charges against the company. two sides meeting after prosecutors said it would likely soon face criminal charges in connection specifically with the benefits given to company employees. decision on that could come as soon as this week. prosecutors also expected to charge chief financial officer allen wi al al al allen weisselberg. cara is out front and breaking so many details of the story. thank you. now donald trump is responding to the investigation tonight. obviously, it is coming very close to him. what is he saying? >> erin, i think the reality that the former president's company could face criminal charges is something that has really set in. he issued a lengthy statement again call thing a witch hunt and politically motivated but seemed to reflect on the obvious pressure that has been on weisselberg that he doesn't identify by name, he does say that prosecutors continue to be in search of a crime and will do

anything to frighten people into making up the stories or lies they want that have been totally unable to get. now, this statement follows the meeting that occurred today between lawyers for the trump organization and the district attorney's office, really this last ditch effort to persuade prosecutors not to charge the company in connection with the failed payment of taxes on some of these benefits that were paid to employees including allen weisselberg. you know, our understanding is that nothing has fundamentally changed as a result of this meeting and we could still see charges against the company and allen weisselberg as soon as this week. an attorney for weaez weisselbe decline d to comment but donald trump's personal attorney last week said he expects they will enter a plea of not guilty and ask the judge to dismiss the case. erin? >> cara, thank you very much. i want to bring in jennifer weisselberg, the former daughter-in-law of allen weisselberg, you've known the

family for more than two decades. jennifer, i know you've helped prosecutors and cooperated in what they are working to build their case regarding the trump organization and allen weisselberg, your former father in law. what's your reaction to hear charges could come this week? originally it was this fall. this is a lot faster than people had thought. >> i'm not surprised because i think the evidence has been there for years. i think that justice for the weisselberg family, barry, allen and the trump organization as well as donald trump himself is just a matter of time. i think the investigation is serious and that i have been meeting with them in the last few weeks, but out of respect for the investigation, i'm not supposed to talk about the details of that. >> right. >> and that's because they want to succeed in this investigation and that justice is really important. >> right. it's important for people to know you've been meeting with them frequently in recent weeks

and i understand you can't talk about some of the retails. here is the thing, prosecutors have been pressuring weisselberg to cooperate with them for months as you and i have talked about before but lawyers said no, they recently said to prosecutors he's not going to cooperate. why do you think that is? >> he's always believed and been enabled that donald will save him. that's been his life. he's always been saved by donald. there is a guy to fix eve everything. he will hold on until the last minute until he's shocked at something they bring to the table but i'm thinking donald is promising him he'll be saved. i think he's loyally, blindly, blindly loyal. >> counting on donald trump. >> yeah, he's being a little blind to the facts. you know, his loyalty has put blinders on him and that includes his belief that his son

barry has no criminality, that he believes everything his son says, but surprise, surprise, i just don't think it's going to work out that way. >> i know you've given over so many documents about barry weisselberg and things he did which could be very important because if they have something there that of course puts a lot more pressure on barry's dad allen. so last time we spoke on television, you said without hesitation when i asked you whether allen weisselberg would flip on donald trump, you said yes but he's still holding out. he's still not there. you know, do you think that he has a strike tategy for this? >> i thought he would flip because i thought he would care more about doing the right thing but realized he doesn't have any ev empathy. there is a lack of integrity there and i thought he might do the right thing because he could do the right thing by his grandchildren and his children and be an example and just step

out of the trump bubble, but it doesn't look like that's the case. he's not flipping. that's the truth. he's absolutely not. i think he's also -- i think the trump lawyers and his lawyers are paid for by trump and so i think the minute that it affects his pocket, it might change things. >> but you're saying now, your understanding is trump is paying for it? >> right. >> so weisselberg was spotted "the washington post" got a picture of him driving into work at the trump power as if, you know, life is normal. >> right. >> that he's going into the office. and just to be clear here, jennifer, there is the car. he is expected to be charged. right? these charges could carry significant prison time if proven, right? this would be the end of any life that he had expected to have if this goes that direction. but he just seems to not be worried. >> he's always gotten away with it. what they're getting away with in the civil case is

unbeloveable. there is -- i don't think anything they've done -- their litigation tactics are far from legal but always gotten away with it. if you get away with it for 50 years, he lives in a bubble where he believes everything trump says. i think the day will come very soon when there are some things that are still being put forth to the d.a.'s office that he will not be able to answer for because he won't be prepared. some surprises. >> some surprises. >> yes. >> this is really crucial and part of where you come in with your extensive knowledge of the family, him, the financials of what happened. you're talking about surprises. i know you've been meeting with prosecutors over a week ago. you can't talk about details of that but you may end up testifying in front of the grand jury. when do you think that may be? >> that i can't comment on. >> you can't comment on? >> no. >> but you're reprepare snd. >> oh, yes. we're prepared and getting prepared, yes.

>> let me ask you about jeffrey. obviously, works very senior finance executive and knows a lot and been there since the beginning. and works for reports and he recently testified in front of a grand jury and will appear again according to our sources. he'll be right back and i know you know him well. >> yes, he was at my wedding, as well, yes. >> what do you think of him and the question to contextize this, trump, one family thing, how concerning could his testimony be to trump and allen weisselberg? >> it's concerning but i'm getting the feeling of jeff is a very honest guy. he's sort of like myself. they never counted on him rising up. he wasn't a decision maker in the company. he was the guy that took the train in the corner they used and abused and expected to do the right things. but he was the in house accountant.

you know, i used to work at trump world tower, say jeff the lights aren't on, can you pay the bill? he's the guy there doing numbers. that being said, i think there is a lot of fear. i heardest still going to work as well and whether they tell you to shut up or not, the idea is be very careful. you're controlled. like your house, your children's tuition, your livelihood relies on you doing the right thing by us. >> this is where your bread is buttered. >> right. >> every day when you walk into the office. >> right. >> so obstruction of justice doesn't necessarily have to be said literally but it's implied. >> uh-huh. crucial point. jennifer, thank you very much. i appreciate it. good to see you in person. i just want to note, we reached out to allen weisselberg's legal team and they did decline to comment and a lawyer for the trump organization did not respond to our request for comment. also tonight, all b.s. a new book on bill barr is

reporting that is how he summed up trump's big lie that the election was stolen, which trump was repeating just this weekend, barr is breaking silence on repeated efforts by trump that trump wanted to get bar to push the big lie and trump was enraged when he said no. jessica schneider is out front. >> reporter: former attorney general william barr is finally talking about the time period following the 2020 election when then president trump put repeated pressure on the justice department to investigate false cl claims of election fraud. >> this is total fraud and how the fbi and department of justice, i don't know, maybe they're involved but how people are alawlowed to get away with stuff is terrible. >> reporter: they said trump lashed out after barr gave an interview december 1st where barr flatout said there is no evidence of wide spread fraud. when barr went to visit the white house later that afternoon, he was summoned to meet with trump who asked did you say that?

barr responded yes. trump shot back how the f could you do this to me? why did you say it? because it's true barr responded and trump turned to talking about himself in the third person saying you must hate trump, you must hate trump. barr recounted how he personally looked into some allegations from balance being moved around in detroit to claims voting machines around the country were lig rigged to switch trump votes to b biden votes. we realized from the beginning it was b.s. barr said and the legal team lobbying challenges was a joke. this would take a cracker jack team with a disciplined strategy, instead you have a clown show barr told trump inside the president's dining room and barr said the former president agreed with the clown show comparison saying you may be right about that. >> we'll look at dead person's ballots which may actually be very, very shubstantial.

>> trump was relying on giuliani to lead the legal fight and he's temporarily suspended of practicing law in new york state because of his role in undermining the election but b barr's recounting of the election now doesn't make up for the outlandish concerns prior>> counterfeiting, counterfilling the ballot. delivered into namailboxes and n be taken out. >> reporter: the green light was given to investigate substantial allegations of voting irregularities overturning standard doj policy until after an election is certified. we're learning from this new interview even them senate majority leader mitch mcconnell want the barr to speak out sooner than he did telling the attorney general trump's claims

were damaging to the country telling barr you're in a better place. you're the only one who can do it. trump issued a seething statement references the mcconnell revelation saying he never fought for the white house and blew it for the country. too bad i backed him in kentucky. he would have been primaried and lost. based on press reports he convinced his buddy bill barr to get the corrupt election done, over with and sealed for biden asap. bill barr says the former president not only press himd on the election but yelled about the fact the doj had not prosecuted joe biden's son hunter or the former fbi director james comey. the pressure, erin, lingered after barr resigned in december. a string of recently released emails shows trump allies pressed the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen to also investigate. the author of the new book

"hatchet man: how bill barr broke the code." you've studied bill barr inside and out writing a book. what do you think his motivation is to speak out like this right now? >> image rehabilitation, pure simple. bill barr has always been very conscious of his image and the way he's per seceived and wants to remember amp the election he finally way out against the big lie. he's not reminding us publicly hs was one of the biggest cheerleaders in the big lie leading up to the election. like bill barr helped light a fire, fanned the flames, watched it burn and then threw his brink on it. keep it straight. one of the biggest perpetrate owners the big lie. it's on him. >> donald trump repeatedly attacked former attorney general loretta lynch for her metering on the tarback with former president bill clinton in 2016

saying the meeting was disgraceful, perhaps the lowest point in doj history. look, it wasn't good. but what does pressuring your attorney general to overturn an election, which trump did. bill barr is very clear, he did, how does that rate? >> there's a really important point to be made here. the reason that people had problems with bill clinton meeting with loretta lynch on the tarmac to varying ex-tense, absolutely imappropriate. as attorney general you cannot give appearance of a conflict of interest. appearance of political interference because that's contrary to everything doj is about. contrast that with what donald trump turned around and did 20 times worse. he directly ordered or asked his attorney general to politicize the justice department and to do his bidding. not even a comparison there. >> elie, thank you, appreciate your time. next, former president obama

tearing into former president trump for the big lie. and a chilling warning about what might happen if donald trump returns. >> the militia will be taken over. in a civil war. ♪welcome back to that same old place♪ ♪that you laughed about♪ ♪well, the names have all changed♪ ♪since you hung around♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you.

new tonight, former president obama slamming former president trump for pushing the big lie the election was stolen calling trump's fabrication a bump of hooey. unfortunately trump supporters believed his life leading to the insurrection and at trump's major rally since leaving office, support growing for a new and baseless conspiracy theory that trump could be reinstated as president if the arizona audit claims he won the state. joining us on "outfront." >> the first big major rally

since he lost. >> he didn't lose. he didn't lose. i know he didn't lose. >> your shirt says trump won. >> yes, he d. about 2016? >> it's about all of them and 2020 and the next one. >> but he lost in 2020. right? >> no, no. >> reporter: do you think what happened on the 6th of january is a stain on his presidency? >> this was all staged. i truly believe that. >> reporter: conspiracy theories about the election and insurrection of par for the course at trump rallies, but know another false notion is circulating among some trump supporters that he could be reinstated as president later this summer. >> what do you hope to hear today. >> he's coming back. >> reporter: coming back in 2024 sgrr . >> sooner. and you guys are going down. >> reporter: and saying this could lead to the election being overturned. >> stay tuned for arizona's we need two states. going to be a very interesting time. how do you govern when you

xwloft when you lost? >> do you think the election's going to be overturned in some way? >> absolutely. the military already knows it was a fraud. he won by over 80%. >> you genuinely believe he's coming back, an soon as -- >> before the middle of august. >> what if that doesn't happen. >> we'll be in a civil war because the militia will be taking over. >> reporter: among trump supporters at his rally in ohio saturday? always want to talk to a proud boy. >> no. >> reporter: wearing a proud boys t-shirt and believed to be associates with the group charged in their alleged involvement in the insurrection. >> a bit of the stain of all the violence, a stain on his presidency? >> no, i don't. i don't think so. i was there. >> reporter: were you up at the capitol? >> yeah. we was there. >> reporter: yeah.

didn't go in. none of that stuff. i don't -- believe in tearing up the capitol. >> reporter: you're a three percenter? >> some of being held, yeah, and a lot questioned. >> reporter: do you think your guys who went inside shouldn't have gone inside, or what? >> yeah. i thought they shouldn't have wept inside. you're worked up in that moment and adrenaline is pumping. i mean, it just -- just happens. >> reporter: are you worried that we would see more violence? >> yeah. i honestly believe it's coming. >> incredible to have those conversations and said "i honestly believe it's coming." that conversation, powerful that you're able to have conversations to get these responses, but one man in your story said there would be a civil war if trump wasn't reinstated and when you hear these things how worried are you

when you hear it? >> pretty chilling. two nights before the insurrection we were in georgia at a trump ral pip pumped up for january ofth saying the election would be overturned, almost an exact phrase, a man there, what happens if on wednesday january 6th the election? nover turned, he said, there could be a civil war. >> doney, thank you for the incredible reporting and thanks to all of you for being with me. "anderson" starts now. good evening from cerfside, florida. i'm john berman if nor anderson tonight. family and friends holding on to hope their loved ones may still be found alive, even as authorities in this beachside community announced a short time ago that an 11th body was pulled from the wreckage of the champlain tower south condo today leaving 150 unaccounted for. almost six days since the tragedy that has touched at least nine countries and