feeling like europe, and that is a bad thing. in europe, they have seen an uptick in incidents and attacks. germany, parts of germany in 2020, up 30%. so, we to not want on to be like europe. and apparently we are getting there. >> nick thank you so much for that report. the news continues so let's hand it to cries for cuomo prime time. >> thanks, chris, we have breaking news. the manhattan grand jury has returned indictments. they will be against donald trump's money man and the trump organization. criminal charges. the specific charges are under seal so we don't know the details. sources say weisselberg is set to turn himself in tomorrow morning. there's no charge currently against the former president. one was not expected at this point. this would be the first criminal charge against the company not to mention the former president's money man.

here's the question. will w with -- will weisselberg make a deal to help himself or his kids? take any political idea out of it. prosecutors only trade up. so, what will it mean? it is certainly a break in the da m, a former president of the united states needs to seriously consider what is next. his company was justin indicted. let's bring in former federal prosecutor elliott williams and former long-time trump organization executive, barbara rez, the author of the book "tower of lies." barbara, the suggestion that i made about allen weisselberg. you know him, barbara, what is the chance that maybe not for him, but for his kids he would be willing to talk about things that prosecutors would be interested in? >> i know allen he is and he is a regular person.

he was when i knew him. i know money and power corrupts. i cannot imagine him jeopardizing his children for any reason. he would not do it. i cannot see him going to jail to be honest with you. >> and you think any loyalty to the trump family would yield to the interest to his own family. the question is, do you think, barbara, that he knows things that could be trouble for the former president with prosecutors? >> absolutely. without a question. anything that allen did, that resulted in some kind of illegality or against the law, trump knew about. nothing big happened to the trump organization without trump's knowledge. >> all right, so, elliott, we don't know the rg wcharges, but know we have never season a former president in any way come under the scrutiny of criminal charges and it's the trump organization. he is the man at the top of the pyramid. to have his main man, the cfo, brought under indictment and the

organization what is the significance? >> it's kind of significant. bother for the president and weisselberg. what it means is weisselberg has a greater incentive to cooperate with law enforcement, as we saw in another story that you may cover in the course caof the story, the prosecutors have a tremendous amount of power with charges hanging over somebody's he head. what does it mean for the president? when the company you run, when the comptroller and cfo are being spoken to about financial irregularities and you seen not separatable from the company, it spells trouble. we have no indication to believe there's charges being brought against the president and members of hiss family. we tonight know yet.

>> not all the charges come out tonight could be the last charges, either. this is the way prosecutions sometimes work. they still have access to a grand jury to create more. the idea of what is being discussed, the universe of illegality, things being passed off as gifts when they were really income to people. is that something that you ever saw? >> yes, in a much smaller way. i know that when we had certain people working for us. trump advised them to put in false expenses and they would get cash payments that would be not taxed. he had the mind-set back when he was working with me. and watching him give it away. it's like things i remember him handing out. it's quid pro quo. it was what can i get out of it. and it's obviously got larger and more complex and these gifts

or just buying off loyalty. just like giving jobs to their employee's children. what could get more on loyalty than that? i mean, you get, they will do anything. you let the kids keep the jobs. it's just a routine that has been going on, and trump is really raised it to an art form, i think. >> it's all where the line is. loyalty is one thing, if it's illegal, it's another thing. and that matters for two reasons. one, how impressed the public will be with these charges. two, what kind of pressure they mean on the people indicted. so, if it's really about the kind of stuff we are talking about with barbara, and i right now, which is what has been in the news. is that really enough to make weisselberg feel the pinch that his life is going to be ruined unless he makes a deal? >> well, if you have ever been inside a prison, it's pretty bad. i hesitate to say that any criminal charge is not enough to

make somebody feel the pinch. these are charges, when you talk about the fringe benefit charges, know that it's one of the rare charges that brings potential liabilities to both the company and the individual. because they are both seeking to evade paying taxes. but, i think we just should wait and see what the charges are tomorrow, but when it copmes to both a going to jail regardless of your age and charges being held over the heads of your child. we are parents and the thought of your children going to jail or paying serious fines is enough to motivate somebody to act. if prosecutors are looking in to his children, that is certainly significant. >> how often is the first wave of diindictments not the end? >> it's complex. they are going through conversations with individuals. it's not going to be

inconceivable for more charges to come. everyone is asking the question, is at the going to be charged with a crime? it's hard to know at this point. certainly prosecutions can grow and build and so on. but, more importantly, wait and see what the indictments say tomorrow and move on from there. >> remember, they have a burden of proof. they don't want to swing and miss against president trump, all due respect, i'm not suggesting it's about politics. but the person at the top of the food chain is auto-- chain is h elected and the last thing you want is trump saying you came after him and you missed. that is a bad thing. they want to know had you how it's going to look. what will the public think? what do you say, barbara, to supporters of the president who say, awe, it's penny ante, he never knew about any of the stuff. they are trying get him. he is not a bad guy and people

politics and not about anything he did wrong. what do you want people to know? >> anybody that have been thinking about that, or says that, has no interest in really knowing what the truth is. because i mean, you have seen it. he has demonstrated it by things he admits to. when i talked about how brilliant he was that he used the tax code. i'm so brilliant. what is does he know, that the tax code was used and he does not know this part of the tax code being used. i would tell them to read my book. but i would tell them, just get real. >> he will well, we will know more about the charges and understand whether or not this, where this seems in terms of a prosecution strategy. they are under seal. but things rarely stay quiet. ly elliott williams, thank you very much. barbara rez appreciate the personal perspective as well. >> another big story breaking on our watch.

the pictures, i don't think anybody was expecting to see today. bill cosby is a free man. pennsylvania's highest court vacated his sexual assault conviction and they said something else. that you need to know because it's not being reported correctly. and it makes this even more controversial. the attorney who got the conviction thrown out, joins us next. it's the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your glucose levels. ♪ ahhh! get out of here mouse. ahhh!

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estimated ten year sentence. we saw he flashed a peace sign to news choppers as he did. but andrea constand and others, their herrer case is one that sent him to prison. she and dozens of other accusers they may just have lost any sense of peace. maybe forever. so what is the why? what is the reason? it was not new evidence. there was no witness changing their story. this is not about his innocence. the pa pa state supreme court is taking issue with a nonprosecution deal that montgomery county da, bruce caster, he made a deal with cosby's team in 2005, simply stated, you testify in the civil suit and there won't be criminal charges. it opened the door for ko-- for cosby giving up his fifth amendment right when he

testified in the deposition. the fact that the testimony was given him later, denied him of his due process. in a law, it's you were not supposed to try him. you a made a deal and you have the other testimony, evidence from the civil trial and you want to use it in a criminal trial when you said that you would not do that. now, that is fruit of the poispo poisoness tree and barred future prosecution on the charges. in a statement, constand is and the lawyers said it's disappointing and of concern, and may discourage those that seek justice in the sexual assault and the criminal justice system. they add, we were not consulted on our thoughts and we were not

aware of such discussions. while cosby was silent this afternoon, he spoke later to abc, here is a but of it. >> nobody had the sense to say wait one second. this doesn't match up with the truth. this is not a what i was in college. this is not what i was taught at home. etcetera, etcetera. >> i don't know what that's supposed to mean. let's bring in one of koss bi's attorneys now. thank you, counselor. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> just to be clear, you don't take exception to anything i said introducing the segment. he was not found innocent, it was a procederal issue that the trial should are have never happened, fair point? >> i do take one issue with one point, this was a prosecution on one person's claim. one person's allegation, this

was not an indictment involving five women, 60 women whatever the number is. this was one woman's claim that was prosecuted. so, i think that, that needs to be made clear. and also, i would point out that these are, you know, constitutional safeguards. it's not just a matter of technicalities or we are talking about major constitution principals on which our system rests and that's why the remedy was a strong one. apart from that. i agree, that the pennsylvania supreme court was not speaking to the guilty or innocence as to mi miss constance claims but it was one person's claims dealt with in the trial. >> i will deal with it in a second. take us back, you knew this was an opportunity when you were heading in to the re-trial and

this criminal prosecution was taking place after one was not supposed to happen at all. was that argued at the time and why was the prosecution allowed to go forward at the time? >> oh, sure, it was argued. only the media was not erreportg on it. nobody was interested in hearing that. there had been an agreement and a lot of this energy, this angry energy should be directed at the prosecutors because this is a case about prosecutorial musb misconduct. you should take issue with the prosecutors that refused to honor their agreement. yes, it was raised before the first trial. it was litigated and mr. cosby and his team vigorously fought that, and stated he should never have been prosecuted on account of this agreement. >> up, you say you want to be clear that it's just about andrea constant, fair point.

fair point. i don't know that it's the best fact. you know when people think about the cosby story, they think back to the new yorker cover with all the women and what was so, you know, frightening about their stories was how similar they were even though they didn't know each other. and it raises a question to your own point, you are right, it was only one woman and do you expect that they should bring at least another case with all the other he alleged victims? >> all of the alleged victims had every opportunity to press their claim at the time that the statute of limitations allowed them to do so for various reasons they chose not to. and i am not here to judge why they that. and we have a set of rules that say we have to play by the rules and you can not cheat because now we have a movement that

wants on make a platform inside the courtroom for women who did not press their claims for some reason or another on. that is fine on social media and in the newspapers. but in the courtroom, we have to still follow the rules and whek n -- and we cannot make it a platform about women coming forward when they didn't at the time, when it would have been possible to prosecute the claims. >> new yorker magazine, it's good to be accurate. the real point is this, bill cosby did a few years in prison. with all the women and allegations, i do not have to tell you, these were not hand on the knee. they were not verbal suggestions. it was a pattern that he acknowledged in that civil trial. >> yeah. >> well you are going to take exception with the word pa ette

when you qualudes, were you going to use them on multiple women some and he said, yes, it's a pattern. does it bother you at all what s seemed to be a clear m.o.for cosby will be mitimitigated. >> my work is a defense attorney. i'm proud of what we did upholding the rules. and i'm proud that the supreme court was not influenced by the court of public opinion. in that regard, it does not bother me in the slightest. i believe that we have a trend in our courtrooms where the courtrooms are being infiltrated by the court of public opinion and that leads to miscarriages

of justice. and i is are no problem with a just and righteous verdict if you get there in a fair way. when you cheat to get there, there's no justices in that verdict and that, is unfortunately what happened. >> hold on, one sechblthd i am with you the game has to be played, we all know, 100 men should on go free so one innocent is not punished wrongfully. i hear you. let's not fake the funk here either. you heard a jury hear testimony and they convicted him, it was not that it was all manipulation, this was a rule jury that got to hear it and found him guilty. >> you also had a jury that heard evidence that they should not have heard. both in the form of the deposition obtained illegally and you heard a jury evidence from frankly other bad act, other accusers that never should have been heard, we don't try people's characters we try

crimes. i don't believe we had a fair trial and i don't belief you can look at the verdict and put stock in it frankly. let's keep in mind, all of this, prevented mr. cosby from being able to tell his story from the witness stand because of that deposition. so on, let's not say oh, this is just a technicality, on or we know what really happened. you don't know what happened. this trial would have been entirely different and also, it never should have happened in the first place. >> i will give you that point, because we know it because the pennsylvania supreme court litigated that for us, we are good on that. the point about it would have been totally different. why was cosby not allowed to testify in his own defense because he gave a deposition in the civil trial? >> the point is by taking the illegal deposition and using the words against him, it made it very difficult for i am to take the stand. >> but they were his words. he could have taken the stand and as long as he told the truth

he would have been okay. >> had he taken the stand, all of the words that he said during the deposition, in whatever context they were taken unfairly laid out, it was four days of deposition. it made it impossible. no on defense attorney would have said yeah, sure, take the stand and deal with these, again, a deposition, stapt stat that were illegally obtained. >> i do not disagree with you from a perspective of legal strategy. i'm saying in terms of common sense, he could have still testified. i understand why you would have been nuts to stay on the case if he insisted on doing it if you knew what was coming. i am saying if he had noing to fear of his own words he could have testified. the idea that this deposition ruined it for him because now he

could not testify. that's not true. >> no the deposition. >> it would have made it harder. >> it was not just about the deposition is being predjudical if he took the stand. if somebody is coersed in to making a statement, we recognize, we tonight, that's unfair. we cannot use that statement. but this is no different in some ways because -- >> well with, coreced confession is when somebody says something they don't believe. >> not always. you are talking about statements that were induced involuntarily tearily in a sense by make promises that they did not live up to. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> you talked rl earlier in the firs first segment is, you can't trust the government, you think

weisselberg will come forward with the prosecutions and help the government -- >> if you can't trust them? >> nope. >> i don't think so. >> me neither. and that's why they have to play the game fair. we will see if they change the outcome at the next level. they cannot retry it not after what the pennsylvania supreme court just said. it was just the particulars. not if you are a legal scholar, not if you have been following it. smart people had questions early on, how did i know?

i read michael smerconish, he had concerns years ago based on what you heard coming from cosby council. his insight landed him an interview with cosby while he faced trial. so, smerc is here to help you understand why yeah, you should be upset, but at who and why, next. for the win win.

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came as a surprise for a lot of people. except my next guest. friend of the show, sits here and does a better job, fellow attorney, michael summerconish,e raised the question. michael asked cosby about it in what was his last public interview before being sentenced to prison. listen. >> a federal judge said, if bill cosby is going to be out there on his soap box speaking about moral virtue, then it's fair for this deposition to be used against him. from a legal standpoint, i thought that was a wrong decision and i said so at the time. do you want to comment on that underlying decision which played a pretty significant role in the position of which you find yourself? >> i have an emotion about what the judge did and i'm still very

much confused about how that came about. >> in other words, you thought you had a deal, that case was over and the facts of it were done ? >> no. it's the way it was put out and the way many people saw it, and you just said it, and i think, i think the safest way to put it is i agree with you. >> now, there's an answer. the trial judge said that this deal didn't meet the standard of something that had to be recognized as formal and operative and ate ing equities

here. you could argue that they never should have gotten to that stage. once there was a deal and it was acted on to the disadvantage of cosby, it was for him speaking in his defense in the civil case, it was tainted. let's bring in smerc, what is your take on the situation? >> two-fold, number one. he was enticed to surrender his fifth amendment rights and then the testimony he offered in the deposition was used against him in the subsequent criminal proceeding that was after he paid $3 million plus to make the civil suit go away. so on everyone is already talking about that. the second issue that i think requires more examination. he gave the deposition system is, the damning testimony, he could not assert a fifth amendment right and that deposition was under a temseal,d

now the federal judge was called to make a determination the testimony should see the light of detail. and the rationale of the judge was you have donned the moral position that you have given up your rights. he was citing where bill cosby was telling other people to lead their lives and one of our colleagues of don legmon. cosby went on don lemon's show and made comments about juvenile delinquents. and the federal judge looks at that, and the so-called pound cake speech he delivered. bill cosby, you are telling other people that how to lead their lives. i think they have a right to know how you lead your life. >> i get the guys understanding

and the opinion and where it's coming from. i did not getty ithe legal basi for on it. where does it say that he is -- >> he is not juer justified. >> right. >> he cited case law that i don't think is worthwhile. he said you have a public platform and i will hold you to this standard, what if the facts were the same, and he was a plumber on or accountant, that made no sense to me. and when i said so in print and on cnn, that's when i guess, koss bidecided he wanted to speak to me before he went to trial. by way, that was wildly misunderstood as me somehow defending his conduct. i was always making a legal argument here that i did not buy in to the logic of what was being used. >> people conflate the two. look, and that was happening with the attorney a little bit. she won.

she won on a procederal issue and it's a procederal issue that is constitutionali implications and it matters and it sucks. you have all the women, this was not a hand on the knee. it was not a suggestion that they thought differently about later. this was sexual assault in a pattern of behavior that he admitted in a civil deposition that admittedly he never should have been coaxed in to giving. but this is not about the truth. he is not innocent. he has not been found innocent. nothing that was said against him was found to be puntrue and his this is own words were damning. it's about how the game is supposed to be played. if you don't play it by the ri right rules the game doesn't matter. >> i will accept everything that you said and then please don't say it's a technicality. i'm hearing people saying he beat it on a technicality. >> no, they never should have put him on the stand.

if you do this, you will never get somebody to testify. this is what we say, be careful, everything that you say can and will be held against you. they screwed this up. i don't know why caster did it. i don't know why the other guys decided to not own it. they had to see. >> i have to say this, i have to say this about caster. frankly caster was done wrong. >> how? >> here was a former district attorney. caster gave testimony before the trial, number one, this one that ended in a hung jury, caster on, you know, under oath said, here's the deal, i gave this guy. that was discounted by the trial court, they proceeded with the trial nonetheless and by the way, don't lose sight ofitics p too. >> i agree, i'm saying i don't know what caster's thinking was in the deal.

i understand it's his burden of proof. >> he has explained it to me. he said he did not have enough in the record to prosecute bill cosby. he wanted constand to get compensated and he felt he was helping her if he got cosby to testify under oath. i'm not saying she did not get paid, but there's nor to the story. >> it's a weird deal, but it was about the next set of prosecutors and how the rules were changed for their convenience in a criminal prosecution. that is what has us here today, and it's unsatisfying and it stinks for a lot of people who think it's wrong. >> i totally get it. >> because he they believe cosby did wrong. but the system and rules matter. you flagged it early and often, you were right. silence is acceptance. we are forgetting nothing when it comes to keeping our eyes on

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we all have a good feel for what the realities are in florida. there's going to be heart ache, and there's going to be loss for that community like we have never seen. the number, 249, i don't now ho they got that number. i know it's complicated and layered and there's distracted focus. i don't have the certainty. here's what i know, you made it on out of the building, you are lucky to the point of the miraculous. now, we see that in the context of how many didn't get out. crews removed the bodies of two

children from the rubble, 4 and 10 years old. no matter how many people are there, god forbid they don't find anybody else alive, which of course is getting more and more realistic every hour. but the idea of who they will find. the old and loved grandparents the parents the people in their prime, the kids the teens. the pets. there are lives buried beneath. 18 now confirmed dead. a number that we are not sure about. but it's maybe 145. more, less, we don't know. but it's a lot. so, people are looking and thinking, how did it happen? what do we do? how do we stop it from happening? how do we give families a sense of closure. take a look at this video. showing debris and water gushing in the building's garage.

see the pipes? it's pouring. it's not a strorm drain as far as we know. why do you have a drain in the middle of the garage. so, there was a problem. warnings at 1:30 in the morning. but everyone is asleep at 1:30 in the morning. and then, people made it on out. and they are here to tell the story. unit 611, tower south. you can see, right in the middle of the section that collapsed. right in the middle. who was in there? she bought that condo six months ago. here she is and that is miraculous. she is there. with her handsome son, and this is a blessing not just to their family, but to all the families. there's hope, and there's also more perspective. thank you very much both for being with us. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you. chris. >> thank you for having us on.

>> you make me cry before i start to tell the peoples, what i feel, what happened that night in my case, in my house. do you want to ask me something or i start to talk? >> i will ask you something and then i will listen. tell them, tell the audience, what woke you up, that did you see? what did you do? >> well, around 1:00 something at night, i was a sleeping. and a force, rare force wake up me, when i wake up, i feel something strange around me. i think maybe i leave open the balcony door and i run to the living room, try to close it, but at that time, can i do it? and i hear a crack behind me. everybody said to me, don't take

care, because that barer is too much -- so heavy and blah, blah, blah, it's coming down and any moment and any time. i was worried for the bar. and i look at the bar but when i see the wall, the barrier was there. i saw a crack starting in the ceiling, coming down, coming down, fast. and that, that black line open it and open it and open it. >> so what did you do? >> i would try to do my best. pardon me? >> what do you do? how did you get out? >> what i do? something inside of me said run. you have to run to save your life. and i run to my bathroom, i change my robe before -- the

first increase that i see i put on. and run to the living room and took my purse than the other night, a few hours ago, i was put in there, all my credit cards and my pills, and that's it. and i run to there, took my purse, in my hands. my cellular phone, i blow off the candle for guadelupe -- >> the lady guadelupe. >> yes, you made me cry. >> you are making me cry. >> you light candles to the lady of guadelupe, that is a way, an

icon of seeing mother mary as someone who protects us against bad things and you had the cancel lit at 1:hitter in the morning? >> yes, of course, and i wake up thinking something happened, fire, or something happened. close the door elevator. i don't know where the exit stairs was. i don't know -- >> you took the elevator down? >> pardon me? >> you took th down? did yo building and that people take it like a summer, summer house. >> so it was quiet. >> now it's all and they are in the different states. >> so did you take the elevator or did you go down the stairs?

>> yes. and i didn't know that besides my apartment was another exit elevator. if i knew that -- >> exit stairs. >> stairs i'm sorry. if i knew that maybe i would have taken that one. and i can't tell the . >> what happened when you got down? >> i went to the farthest. when i open the door beside the elevator, i don't know what happened in there. it is something else, an apartment or whatever, i don't know. in that moment. i open the door and i finally find or found or whatever, the stairs. i start to go down fast, fast, fast. >> and then you got down the stairs. and then you got down. what was it like when you reached the started going down the stairs, chris. >> yeah. >> from the sixth floor to the

fourth floor, the building collapsed. she could hear [ lotst audio ]. >> so while she's going down the stairs, the other part of the tower has fallen off and she's standing there on the stairs having left the other side. >> exactly. her apartment collapsed just second after she exited the apartment. and what she was telling you before, chris, was if she would have gone the emergency staircase that was closest to her apartment. >> she would have been on that side. >> she would have been on that side. >> she got the wrong staircase. >> thank you for clarifying it. by the way, seniora, your description is perfect. it's jut just unbelievable in m heart. everybody understands. thank you.

andy, what does it mean to you that your mother is still holding your arm after a situation like this? can you believe it? >> honestly, i can't believe it. i still can't believe it. she's told [ lost audio ] i've heard it so many times and it's gone through my head so many times. i think to myself, if my mother hadn't -- she had to wake up early the next day, the next morning, she didn't take her sleeping pill because she was afraid she was going to oversleep. if it wasn't for that open door, because the door up hinged from its railing system because we believe the building had shifted. so if it wasn't for that wind, maybe she wouldn't have gone to the living room. if she hadn't seen that crack, if that crack had been done maybe minutes before she would have looked at it and said, what's a crack doing in my living room? she saw it moving down her wall. she had organized her purse the night before. if she hadn't seen the security

guard, now she's going to probably tell you the part where when she exited the emergency staircase. but if she had knocked on the door of her neighbor, hilda, the older woman, the 92-year-old lady that they found today, they found her body today, unfortunately, our heart goes out to her family, if she would have knocked on her door, she's hard of hearing, it would have taken her maybe a while for her to just go -- wake up and go ants door. if sh -- answer the door. if she would have done that, she wouldn't be here telling the story either. so many things happen in a way that if any of those one things would have gone the other way, my mother would not be here. chris, point is, miracle, a miracle happened within all this tragedy. >> because when i was running down the stairs, the only thing that i say, oh, my god, oh, god, oh, jehovah, please, i want to

see my sons. i want to see my grandsons. i don't want to die. please let me. because i was afraid in the first floor maybe the door, the exit door to the level was stuck with -- >> debris. >> uh-huh, and i can't open it. and i will, you know, keep trapped in the stairs. many errors, and many things playing together for me be alive at this time. i know that is miracle. it's not that way because i wasn't the only ones. all the -- the whole part of the building collapse. and i came by myself, you know, and i'm okay because i'm -- i don't break a leg. i don't break nothing. i'm terrified, of course,

crying, of course, and i'm still crying for other people because all of -- all the things that happen in there was avidable. >> avoidable. >> avoidable. >> let me ask him why. i've heard you say this before when i was reading for this, that your mother believes it was avoidable, andy, that this was foreseeable. did she have concerns about the build or building or is it about what you've been learning since? >> she wanted to live in that building ever since she moved to miami 40 years ago. she would go to the beach on 88th street for years. for literally for years. she owned a home not too far away from there. she ended up having to sell the house but with the money she got from that selling of the house, she bought this apartment. and the building she dreamt living. she's always for many, many years told all her friends that

eventually one day she was going to live in that building. i mean, who would have thought that this was going to happen? i mean -- >> from what i'm saying in terms of condition of the building, did she ever have any concerns about that? >> i don't know. did you have any concerns? >> no, nobody told me anything. nobody real estate, no nothing. >> you never got any letters? you didn't know anything about this? here's what we know. thank god you have each other and you're in each other's arms. and why it happened, we'll never know. but we know that it did happen. and thank god for that. thank you. an dip, god bless that you have your mother with you. >> thank you so much. god bless you. okay. thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. >> have a good day. bye-bye. ♪ ♪ life can be a lot to handle. ♪this magic moment,♪ but there's plenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪so different and so new.♪ ♪was like any other...♪

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we are going to talk to people who have faith and they always say, you know, religion doesn't keep bad things from happening, but faith can often help you get through what does happen. that's certainly the case for this family. thank you for watching. d. lemon, don lem on tonight right now. >> there are beautiful stories there. the stories they're