tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 30, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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voting against a select committee to investigate the january-6th attack. criminal charges expected tomorrow against donald trump's company and one of his top-corporate soldiers, longtime chief-financial officer, allen weisselberg. the death toll climbing in the surfside, florida, apartment collapse, as more bodies are found in the rubble. and sadly, the number, now, includes children. john berman here, in for anderson. there is all that. and then, there's this. bill cosby out of prison. back home, tonight. after pennsylvania's supreme court overturned his conviction for drugging and sexually assaulting andrea constand in 2004. now, he did not speak at a brie brief-news conference today but he did say this to abc news about his prosecution and trial. >> and nobody had the sense to say, wait, one second. this doesn't match up with the truth. this is not what i was taught in
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college. this is not what i was taught at home, et cetera, et cetera. >> it's unclear precisely what cosby is referring to there. however, if he is suggesting the court freed him because he did not know what he was convicted of doing, that's not the case. the ruling hinged on due process and a promise that the local d.a. made, at the time, bruce castor. bruce castor says he made that promise. the kind of criminal immunity for cosby, in exchange for him testifying in a civil case. cosby did testify in that civil case. and years later, a different prosecutor brought charges and used that testimony against him. the court said this violated his constitutional protection against self-incrimination. which, of course, came as a tremendous blow to andrea constand and more than 50 other women alleging abuse dating back to the 1970s. in a moment, we will be joined by one of those accusers. first, cnn's jason carroll is
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near the cosby home just outside philadelphia. jason, what's the scene like tonight? you know, what's the scene like tonight? >> well, much different than how it was just a few hours ago, as you can imagine. outside of cosby's home, there were -- as soon as word came out, john, that the supreme court had made this decision to vacate cosby's sentence. some of his supporters started coming out here. and his detractors, as well. those -- those people, who were supporting the accusers were out here, as well. being very vocal. so we have both sides out here. when it became most interesting, obviously, is when cosby, himself, came out. with his attorneys, with those who have stood by him. his attorneys, basically, saying that the conviction was, really, more about politics and the court of public opinion. of course, we were, all, waiting to hear what cosby was going to have to say. when he stood outside his home here a little while ago, he did not speak. he held up the peace sign. he walked back into his home. but at around 6:00, he tweeted. want to read you what he said. he said, i have never changed my stance, nor my story. i have always maintained my
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innocence. thank you to all my fans, supporters, and friends who stood by me through this ordeal. special thanks to the pennsylvania supreme court for upholding the rule of law. also, john, his attorney says what happened out here, today, vacating this sentence was a victory not only for cosby but, they say, a victory for all those who have been wronged by the legal system. >> jason, things moved so fast today. is cosby now out of legal jeopardy? or could he still face criminal or civil charges in a different court? >> well, it's a good question. and if you -- if you listen to what the pennsylvania state supreme court was saying. one part of their decision was crystal clear. it said, he must be discharged. and any-future prosecution, on these particular charges, must be barred. so, essentially, what that's saying, in terms of criminal prosecution. if anyone was going to try to do that, it would have to be something that falls within the statute of limitation.
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many of these allegation are from the mid-'70s and later. and in addition to that, it would have to be something different from the case that was just presented. so in terms of criminal prosecution, i think a lot of legal experts would say it's done. it's over. but in terms of civil prosecution, cosby is still facing, for example, a case out in california. of -- of a woman who is alleging that cosby sexually assaulted her when she was 15 at the playboy mansion back in 1974. so, that case out there in california. that civil case can, still, go forward. but in terms of criminal prosecution, seems like, it's pretty much done. >> so, jason, i am going to speak to one of bill cosby's accusers in just a moment. but generally speaking, what's the reaction been, so far? >> well, you know, people say, oh, it's been mixed. but that truly is what it's been like out here. in -- in cosby's neighborhood. where you have got people who have been, basically, feeling as though cosby was wronged. who feel as though this was something that was long overdue. but there were a lot of people
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out here. some folks out here from -- from the me too movement who really felt as though this was a miscarriage of justice. i spoke to one woman, just very quickly. she came out here. she was very vocal, very angry. once she saw cosby out here, she started crying. and said this was just not our day. john. >> jason carroll, on the scene. thank you, very much. so if ever a court decision called for more discussion, this is clearly it. joining us, two former federal prosecutors. cnn legal analyst, shan wu. and cnn senior legal analyst, laura coates. laura, you -- you have had a chance to process, now, the pennsylvania supreme court decision. do you think it is reasonable or unreasonable, purely from a legal perspective? >> on a legally-procedural basis, the decision was actually reasonable. but, of course, we can't look at it in a vacuum, can we? we know that there is the emotion. we know about the silencing of voices of victims of sexual assault. we know about the notion of this being the first case, in the me
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too movement, to actually be prosecuted. and for a verdict to be rendered. and the supreme court in pennsylvania never said that bill cosby was innocent. they did not address the substance of the factual allegations. or did -- nor did they say the prosecutors in that case failed to meet their burden of proof. the jury found him guilty. what they did say, however, is look, a deal is a deal. and it wasn't bruce castor, in his personal capacity, that created and executed this deal. that effectively immunized bill cosby. he did it, in his public capacity, on behalf of the commonwealth of pennsylvania. and for that reason, even though another successful prosecutor came in to handle the case. the commonwealth, itself, would still be bound. and so, this court was saying, look, the deal stands, as is. it has greater implications, of course. the notion that there's a bait and switch they used that language.
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it suggests that anybody who was going to rely on the statements of a prosecutor. only to have the rug pulled out underneath them later on. it would probably undermine the integrity of those agreements. but, of course, when it comes to facts in this case, we know why it's so controversial. we know all the stakes involved. we know that, although this case involved one-named victim, we know the allegations made by dozens. upwards of 50 others. and so, this is a very visceral reaction from so many people. but on the idea of whether a prosecutor's deal must be bound and honored by prosecutors. they made the right call, there. >> and to be clear. this court did not question whether or not the events took place. but, shan, when you go back and look at this trial. remembering what was going on in 2018. did you see any red flags, back in 2018? >> i did. and, you know, let me share laura's position that this is a devastating blow. i mean, we have both tried sex-offense cases. there is nothing worse to put a survivor through this, and then
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have the conviction overturned. i saw the red flags because in the first trial, which was a mistrial. they only let in one so-called other-crimes evidence. the second time around, when they got the conviction, the judge, without laying a very good record, put in a lot of other crimes evidence. and there was this issue of what kind of deal had really been cut. by castor. this is a lesson for prosecutors. something we all learned. you can't just win the conviction. you have to protect it. and that effort to protect it starts a long time before the appeal. this was something they knew about. they needed to really vet, and anticipate this. and that's something that it looks like they didn't do. and i don't like this decision. but i agree with laura. it's legally a defensible position. and really, my question is, why wasn't this case tried in 2005? and i think we know the reason for that. >> well, that -- that is the big question here, right? bruce castor, who made this deal with cosby that said, if you testify in this civil trial,
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there will be no-criminal charges brought against you. he was the guy, who decided not to bring the criminal charges. you know, laura, how unusual is that kind of deal? >> well, look. prosecutors, every day, make these sort of cost-benefit analysises. all about the burden of proof. remember, we are talking about a case that is illustrative of so many others when we are talking about delayed reporting or sexual assault cases in general. you have got the idea of a he said/she said without other-physical evidence to corroborate or substantiate the claims. that does not mean it did not happen. but it is a consideration for a prosecutor to know whether they can meet their burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, in the criminal context. oftentimes, they will maybe suggest or, perhaps, it was private conversation about the fact that there was a lower burden of proof in the criminal context. it's not the beyond a reasonable doubt. it's preponderance of the evidence. it's a lower lthreshold. my understanding is that bruce
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castor, at the time, did not believe they had enough to meet their burden of proof criminally. and so, offered this immunity as a way of allowing andrea constand to have the benefit of a deposition of bill cosby. remember, he would not have made any statements in a deposition, if he believed he could be prosecuted based on those statements later on. we all know that phrase. law and order, right? anything you say can or will be used against you in a court of law. but for that immunity, he would not, perhaps, have made those statements. or in a catch 22 here. the prosecutors in the new trial would not have been able to use that evidence against him. had he not said it. but the supreme court said, essentially, look. it's not whether bill cosby should have been acquitted. they did not say that. the question is whether he should have been tried, at all, based on that, particular agreement. and we see the cost-benefit analysis of somebody like bruce castor and weighing whether he
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thought he could then meet his burden of proof. we saw, ultimately, the jury thought you could. >> and, shan, the fact is, as you said at the beginning, for the more than 50 women who have come out with accusations against bill cosby, this stinks, right? this stinks. they are seeing this play out before their eyes. and -- and do they -- legally, it may be sound. but do they have any recourse, at this point? >> i don't think they really do. on the criminal front, the pennsylvania supreme court was clear as day. saying that it's over. i just don't really see any, further recourse. and, you know, one thing i'm going to slightly differ with laura on is i am second guessing castor's decision back in 2005. i think he should have stayed out of whatever it was, immunity or not. a criminal prosecutor decides do i charge criminally or not? if he didn't want to charge, that's fine. he shouldn't have done any, other kind of arrangement because that, ultimately, is what doomed this case. >> laura coates, shan wu. thank you, both.
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>> just so we're clear. >> what? >> just so you're clear. i -- i do not suggest that bruce castor made the correct decision. but it is a balancing of what he -- i know prosecutors do. but ultimately, the jury found that there was enough evidence. imagine, had it been tried back when it was, first, brought to the prosecutor's office in 2004. where would we be now? probably a conviction, still. >> laura coates. shan wu. again, thank you, both. joining us now is patricia leery stoyer who says bill cosby assaulted her on two occasions. first, in 197. and then, two years later. cosby had offered to mentor her in her pursuit of a singing career. patricia, thank you so much for being with us, again. we talked to you back during the initial trial. what's your reaction tonight now that bill cosby is a free man? >> well, i'm sad and i am feeling like this is a loss for me and for the other women who came forward. there were more than 63 of us who came forward, in the end.
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i'm wondering what the purpose was of the 4 -- 43 years of this ordeal. and the trauma. the trauma that i had. and the trauma that my family endured, as a result. and i'm comforted that we did the best we could because we came forward, and told the truth. in the end, that was the only power we had, in this situation. i'm, also, angry that the laws and the system is devised in such a way that it favors powerful and wealthy people. in this particular instance, a powerful and wealthy man. and that needs to change. >> do you worry that this decision will discourage other sexual-assault survivors from coming forward? >> it took me 25 years to come forward, john, because the people i asked about coming forward said, no one would believe me. and these are people that loved me and cared about me. but his public image was such that they didn't believe it would make any difference.
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and i lived with great resignation and despair about that. and i know other sexual-assault survivors do, as well. i hope this won't discourage people. it's a message of -- it is a discouraging message to sexual -- survivors. i hope it won't, because in the end, all you can do is come forward and tell the truth. and you can be that standard bearer for other women, in this case. i'm not going to speak about the men and the me too movement. i know there are men involved but i am going to speak about the women because that's who i am. come out. speak. stand in truth about this. be counted. your voice matters. >> it took tremendous courage for you to come out, when you did. and your truth is your power. i want to get your reaction to what bill cosby ended up saying, tonight, in a tweet. he said, i've never changed my stance, nor my story. i have always maintained my innocent. thank you to all my fans, supporters, and friends who
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stood by me through this ordeal. special thanks to the pennsylvania supreme court for upholding the rule of law. that's bill cosby's statement. how does that make you feel? >> um, i think, because of the technicalities and what the other attorneys have said on your show. this was a correct decision because of the technical-legal reasons involved. regarding his innocence, i know the truth. the other 62 women and andrea constand know the truth. we had no desire to be in the spotlight for this reason. believe me, when i say that to you. this is not a reason a woman would want to be in the spotlight. the public spotlight. and he has maintained his innocence, as he says. but really, i believe he is quite diluted. that he's had a compulsion to do this for a very long time. we're talking about five decades worth of women. and he has always maintained, and so has mrs. cosby, that this
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was all consensual. it was not consensual to be drugged and assaulted. >> patricia leery, again, i know you will continue to use your truth as an example to others. i appreciate you coming on, tonight. and speaking to us. thank you. >> thank you. still to come, tonight. we have a lot of breaking news. including some tragic news in the search-and-rescue mission in the condo collapse in florida. and two new videos. one captured minutes before the collapse. also, today's nearly-unified effort by republican lawmakers to close their eyes to what happened on january 6th. what their vote against a select committee to investigate says, and what that committee could actually do. plus, what we know about the charges expected tomorrow against the trump organization and donald trump's top financial executive. at johnsonville, we've often wondered how could burgers and dogs be our national tradition,
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threatens the search-and-rescue efforts. authorities say they have uncovered two more bodies today. bringing the total dead to 18. 145, unaccounted for. also, announced that, among the dead, we know now, are children, ages 4 and 10. miami-dade's mayor said any loss of life's a tragedy. but the loss of children is a weight too great to bear. that news came, shortly after we learned about another victim uncovered today. 92-year-old hilda. specifically, that she was found with rosaries on her body. that's according to her priest, who suggests she may have been saying a rosary during the collapse. he describes hilda noriega as a feisty woman, who was very independent. also, new leads into the collapse. a federal probe expected to be announced shortly. we have two videos we want to show you now. the first comes from a couple staying at a nearby hotel. it's difficult to make out exactly what is going on but it does appear to show water
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gushing into the underground garage, also, debris, minutes before the collapse. the wife said she became alarmed after hearing a large crash and seeing pieces of concrete on the ground. this was in an area, inspectors said, in a 2018 report, needed repairs. warning, the pool slab above the garage had major-structural damage. the other video, tonight, from 2018. showing water leaking from a pipe in the garage. it was provided to cnn by an attorney for residents showing champlain towers south condo board. we should point out, cnn does not know the conditions surrounding leak or the video or how and if the building responded to the complaint. it is not known, if issues raised in the video played any part in last week's collapse. right now, as we've done every night, we want to focus on the families of those unaccounted for. i am joined by ashley dean, whose sister is among those. her sister, cassie stratton, was on the phone with her husband when the building collapsed.
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she told her husband, according to "the miami herald," that she saw a sinkhole open up where the pool used to be. ashley, i'm so sorry to be talking to you, under these circumstances. i have been onsite all week. i know how difficult this is. particularly, for the families. i just want to know, how you and yours are doing tonight? >> you know, we're -- we're just trying to really hold ourselves together. we are in an absolute state of shock. um, we -- we've just had a hard time processing what's actually happening. and that it's happening to us. and, you know, we -- we just fear that cassie's gone. and, you know, it's really -- it's really hard to swallow right now. >> i know how hard it is. particularly, because this just isn't supposed to happen. buildings aren't supposed to fall down, like this, in america. i know cassie was on the phone with her husband, michael, at the time of the collapse. what more do you know about this
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conversation? >> yes. it's -- it's my understanding that cassie called her husband at 1:30 a.m., miami time. and told him that the pool was collapsing. that the ground was shaking and cracking. and it's my understanding that she, you know, let out a very loud scream and the phone went dead. >> that hard -- had to be very hard to hear. i can't imagine. >> yeah. it was very hard to hear that -- that would be -- yes, sir. and it was very hard to know that that -- that was my sister's last words. and just the terrifying moments that she endured, in those last moments before, you know -- before and while it was collapsing. you know, i have cassie on find my friends. and i could always click on at any time and know where she was, at any time of the day. and usually, i would click on it
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at night. just to make sure that she was home. you know, i did the same for her daughter, ariana. and my daughter, dakota. and i usually only would look at it at night. and for some reason, that day, on wednesday, i had looked at her location during the day. and she was doing her regular thing that she does. shopping at the bell harbor. and when i looked, later on that night, i just kept trying to make it find her. and it just kept spinning and spinning saying no location found. and it -- it just tore my soul apart. >> i'm so sorry. i mean, tell me more about cassie. i mean, i know you have a special relationship and have for decades. i mean, you lost -- you lost your own twin sister in 1991 which, i think, brought you even closer to cassie. just tell me about cassie. >> yes. well, you know, after my sister kim passed away, my mom was
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having a hard time taking care of us in the sense of being present. and so, i took on the role of taking care of cassie. putting ponytails in her hair. getting her to the school bus. you know, cassie was always a big dreamer and she was going to live in new york and she was going to be a model and an actress. and, you know, she was always a very star-struck young lady. and, you know, cassie lived a lot of her dreams. she was a model. she did have some parts in a couple of movies. she -- she loved the limelight. she was very, very vivacious and she just had a zest for life. and it pains me that she lost her life for no reason. >> she sounds like a terrific sister. she really does. >> she was a beautiful, beautiful person. and she -- she was the best, baby sister.
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and, you know, i mourn for her, as a daughter. you know, because i took care of her so long. i mourn for her as my baby sister. and i mourn for her that she was my best friend. >> just very quickly, what kind of information are you getting from officials? how are they keeping you updated? >> well, i have a link to the zoom meetings every morning and every evening. i have had a hard time being in communication with my mom and my niece and my brother-in-law, due to the -- the cell phone towers being clogged. and, you know, they just don't have any service. so that's been really hard not being able to reach out to my family and tell my mom how much i love her, and that i'm here for her. and tell my niece that nanny's here for her. and tell my brother-in-law that i'm here for him. and so, i think that's been a difficult part of my, own processing. because i was down in miami. but i wasn't doing well. and so, i thought i would be
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better at home. and so, you know, i've left a lot of those services behind. and i have not been able to get some of the services that i truly need here. and i have been alone. so it's been really hard with all of my closest family in miami. and, of course, not being able to find my baby sister has been very, very hard on me. >> i'm sure, ashley. i hope they are all watching so they know how much you care, and how much you are thinking about them. we appreciate you being with us. and know that we're thinking about you tonight. thank you. >> thank you so much. thank you. earlier today, surfside's mayor discussed the conversation he has had with family of loved ones still unaccounted for. the families, he said, were particularly interested whether the dogs were being used as part of the search-and-rescue mission. they are, he said, and are quote, very, very active. even during these tough-weather conditions, we mentioned. >> an interesting question that came up in our conversation was
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whether or not the winds and the rain are inhibiting the dogs. and the handlers told me, no. the dogs are not inhibited. as a matter of fact, they practice and they pick up scents from great distances. and the winds, actually, just -- apparently, the dogs are able to follow the scents to the destination. so, that was good. >> 360's randi kaye spent time with several dogs and their handlers involved in the rescue effort, and has their story. >> reporter: these canine search-and-rescue teams have just finished up a 12-hour shift searching for survivors in the rubble pile where champlain towers south once stood. families are counting on these dogs to help find loved ones. body, zoe, stone, gunner, and the others, are all part of florida task force one. they are built for this sort of delicate work. >> the dogs, the way they move
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across the rubble. they are very agile. they distribute their weight with four different paws. they don't hesitate, like humans do. so, it's much safer for them to move across the rubble. they don't displace rubble. so, they won't create further damage to the victim, if there's a further collapse. >> reporter: and when disaster strikes, their keen sense of smell gives them another, great advantage over their human handlers. the team says dogs have as many as 300 million smell receptors in their noses. compared to about 6 million in humans. that sense of smell helps direct search crews where to look. saving them precious time on the rubble pile. >> their job is not to say x marks the spot. their job is to say, hey, this is where we need to start looking. this is where we have to start our search. and it's where we bring in our tech-search guys. who will, then, help to pinpoint -- i know, sweetheart. she's excited. my apologies.
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she -- they will then work to pinpoint and after -- after that, the tech -- the technical -- the technical-rescue guys will, then, bring the victim out. >> reporter: on the pile, there are two types of dogs. those trained to find people who are still alive. and those looking to help recover bodies. both types of dogs alert their handlers by barking a lot. we asked them to show us how it's done. >> i'm going to release my dog from up here. he is going to go search for riley. >> reporter: team member, riley edgar, is hiding behind some bushes. watch how quickly this pup gunner sniffs him out. >> search. >> good job, buddy. that's a good boy. when you're ready, you can let him. >> yeah, bud. good job! you found him.
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>> this way. here. bring it here. >> oh, that's a good job. >> reporter: the dogs do it for the praise. and the toy they get as a reward. they have no idea lives are at stake or that every minute counts. >> everything we do is for the toy. so, they think it's just a big game. you know? it's price is right every day for them. >> reporter: the key is teaching the dog to ignore other distractions that may be in the rubble. >> we'll hide different clothes, cat food, high item -- high-reward items. cat food, meats, stuff like that. to make sure that they know not to alert on those. that only -- they are only alerting on people. >> reporter: despite the 12-hour shift, handlers say the dogs never tire of the work. they often have to pull them off the pile, and make them rest before their shift starts, all over, again. >> and, john, just getting back to their noses. one team member put it to me this way. when you and i walk into a bakery, we might smell chocolate and vanilla cake.
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a dog walks in and smells all the layers of flour, butter, milk, eggs, in that cake. so that's how critical they are, to be working on the pile. that's how important it is for these families to have them there, john. >> really amazing to see them at work. randi kaye, thanks so much for that. next, i will ask a democratic congressman, about how he feels knowing that only two of his republican counterparts support a select committee to investigate the attack that threatened all of them, democrat and republican alike, on january 6th. also, breaking news on charges against the trump organization and its chief-financial officer. one of the former president's closest confidantes. [ringing] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ you bring your best. we'll block the threats. ♪ cyberprotection for every one.
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♪ dream until your dreams come true ♪ just two republican house members decided today that it's a good idea for them to investigate the single-worst attack on american democracy, by americans, since the civil war. there were police officers attacked, that day. one, later, died. with some of those police officers and the mother of fallen officer brian sicknick looking on, just two republicans, adam kinzinger of illinois and liz cheney of wyoming, voted today with 220 democrats to set up a select committee to investigate the january-6th insurrection. joining us, now, one of the democrats who voted yes. congressman jason crow of colorado. congressman, you took cover in the house gallery during that insurrection. what message does it send that only-two republicans voted to establish the select committee
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to investigate what put you there? >> yeah, good evening, john, thanks for having me. i mean, it's extremely disappointing. there is really no, other way to put it. i mean, i guess there is another way to put it but i'm not going to say it on tv here tonight. and it's unfortunate that i am getting used to being disappointed by the gop colleagues in the house. but, i -- what i can say is it doesn't actually change anything, in terms of what we have to do. what our obligation is. i always said, since day one, that our oath and our obligations and our commitment to public safety, our commitment to -- to democracy. our commitment to rule of law is not dependent on the actions of others. so, we know what we have to do. we are clear eyed. we are disciplined. we are focused and we'll get it done. >> most republicans voted against the independent commission. the bipartisan-independent commission. now, all but two voted against the select committee. what are they afraid of? >> well, i think they're afraid of the truth. they are afraid of losing
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elections. they're afraid of the consequences of -- of what voters will do if they know what happened. and who enabled it. and -- and frankly, they should be afraid of that. because the truth doesn't look very good. the truth isn't gonna help them win at the ballot box because the truth is joe biden won the election. the truth is the big lie is just that. it's a big lie. the truth is these conspiracy theories are wrong, and they're dangerous. and they undermine our democracy. they're toxic to our rule of law. they're toxic to our democratic process. that's the truth. and that's why we're going to have a select committee actually fully flesh that out. those officers, john, you mentioned in our lead in here. those officers that fought bravely. over 140 that were brutally beaten by that mob. one who died of his injuries. another one, who took his life in the days after the attack. i have -- i've actually become very close to some of those officers. i called one of them the day after the insurrection. and i talked to him.
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and he broke down in tears, on the phone with me. and he said, sir, i -- i fought for an hour. i fought for an hour and the crowd, finally, overwhelmed me and -- and they pushed me to the ground and they just beat me relentlessly. and i was covered with bruises and i thought i was gonna die. and the whole time i was just thinking to myself, where are the members? we got to save the members. and he said, sir, i feel like i let you down. and i said, you did not let me down. other people let you down. you shouldn't have been put into that position. and we owe it to that officer and -- and the others to get to the truth. and to uncover what happened, and why it happened and that's exactly what we're going to do. >> democrats get to appoint eight members. republicans, five. do you want one of the democratic appointments to be a republican? maybe, a liz cheney or an adam kinzinger? >> you know, speaker pelosi has done a really good job of assembling teams to deal with issues. you know, let's not forget,
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we've done two impeachments now in the last-three years. those impeachments have gone flawlessly, from our perspective. we had no mistakes. we brought extremely strong cases. it was the senate's problem, that they didn't fulfill their obligations of their oath to convict. but i have confidence the speaker will find the right team to get this job done. >> what about the other side? what about kevin mccarthy and his five members? how concerned are you that he might put a marjorie taylor greene on this committee? or someone of that ilk. >> well, kevin mccarthy can do what he wants to do. you know, and that's, obviously, what he's going to do. if they want to try to make this into a circus or a clown show, you know, we can't prevent them from doing that. again, what they do does not dictate what we do. our obligations and our duties are very clear. you know, i have taken many oaths in my life. i have an army ranger. i served this country at war three times. i took another oath when i became a member of congress.
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that's the oath that we will fulfill. it does not change, depending upon what other people choose to do with their oath. we'll get the job done. >> congressman jason crow, we appreciate you being with us tonight. thank you. >> thanks, john. we do have, still, more breaking news, now. two sources tell cnn that a grand jury in the manhattan d.a.'s investigation into the former president's namesake company, that grand jury has returned charges. again, there are, now, charges. they do, at this moment, remain under seal. it is expected to be against the company. the trump organization. and allen weisselberg. we cannot ascertain, yet, we do not know, yet, the specific charges. however, sources familiar with the investigation previously told cnn that they believe the charges would involve tax crimes, specifically connected to perks and benefits. this is one of two major investigations out of the new york -- out of the state of new york focused on the former
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president's company. sources tell cnn that weisselberg is expected to turn himself in to prosecutors, tomorrow. let's get perspective, now, from norm eisen. former counsel to house democrats during the former president's first impeachment and cnn legal analyst. so, norm, you know, tomorrow, they'll be unsealed. we won't know, until tomorrow, what these charges are. they will be unsealed then but what do you make of this moment? >> well, john, thanks for having me back on the show. it's an inflexion point in donald trump's long-running battle. it's been going on for decades with the rule of law. the -- some are minimizing these charges. while we have to wait until we see the indictments, it appears that they are serious ones. if, as is alleged, there is tax fraud based on fringe-benefit abuse. that's a serious matter. potentially, felony, multiple felonies, jail time, for
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individuals, large fines. and most of all, the most ominous words in the whole investigation, for donald trump, are that the investigation continues. and reportedly, when the lawyers asked about trump, their response was along the lines of, he's not being charged, now, john. so, as i wrote in a new brookings report this week, he's at substantial risk in what lies ahead. this is the beginning, far from the end. >> is there any precedent to a former-u.s. president's family business being hauled into a criminal court? >> there's no-modern precedent for -- for this. there have been allegations. some that have come out later. about the business dealings of former presidents of both parties. but we've never seen an event like this. again, the opening salvo, prosecutors have reportedly made clear they are going to continue
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to investigate. and that means that donald trump is at substantial risk, including if mr. weisselberg decides that the possible prospect of jail time isn't appealing to him. and he cooperates with prosecutors. acts as a sherpa, for them. >> right now, there is no sign, though, that he is going to cooperate. he is not cooperating, yet. and we don't know that he will. what do you say to those, norm, because you raise this point. we expect these charges to be focused on perks and benefits. you know there are those who say that these aren't the types of things that people were -- would be charged for, under different circumstances. what do you say to that? >> john, um, with respect to the charges, let's look at the indictments. let's see what is charged. let's look at the seriousness, the -- of the behavior, the amounts of the alleged abuse, how many individuals are involved.
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and then, we'll see how serious it is. whenever you have the words, felony-tax fraud, that is not good news. and as for mr. weisselberg, you know, trump's former-campaign manager, rick gates, hung tough for a while. he, ultimately, decided after the prosecution started that he wanted to cooperate. so, there are precedents for people. i've seen it happen, often, in my 30 years as a criminal-law practitioner, john. people crack under this pressure. so, there's much, much more to come, before we form those final judgments. >> it -- it's -- just to reiterate that point. you are saying he hasn't cooperated, yet. but you think that once these charges are brought and it continues, you think he might? >> i won't predict what mr. weisselberg will do, john. but i will tell you that i've seen defendants and represented defendants, in this situation, over the past-three decades. and we know, from the recent
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history, the trump scandals of his administration, that others in a similar position have decided to cooperate. so this is, clearly, a decision by the prosecutors to go after behavior that they believe are serious violations. and also, to apply another degree of pressure to mr. weisselberg. and it'll be very interesting to see, if he's charged. again, we don't have the indictments, yet. if he is charged, it'll be interesting to see how he withstands that crushing pressure. >> it will be fascinating to see. again, the indictments in. that's the breaking news. sealed, until tomorrow. we'll learn much more then. i expect we'll be talking to you again, in the near future. norm eisen, thank you very much. >> thanks, john. so the rise of anti-semitism here, in the united states, an actual-physical attacks. this assault caught on camera against jews at a los angeles sushi restaurant is just one of many examples. what we uncovered, next.
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the organization says there were more incidents last year than any year when they been tracking. tonight, we begin a 2-part investigation in to why it's happening and what is behind it. >> reporter: a man was stopped at the door of a synagogue and then he left feces outside and spat at a menorah, and jews are the most hated group in america, the most tarted religious group in america. says the fbi and it's getting worse. >> we have seen a large increase in hate crimes, many targeting jewish and asian pacific islander communities. >> i notice you are wearing a -- >> i'm terrified to wear it outside. >> do you? >> no. >> 12% said jews have too much
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power. >> you are dealing with 10s of millions people with a anti-semiticed as. >> most forms of prejudice that we study are higher among older people and lower in younger people. most forms of prejudice are higher among older people and lower among younger people. >> >> jews sought out by young pro palestinian men. >> men in the cars got out. started to run toward the tables and asking who is jewish? >> reporter: a jew brutally beaten in times square. surrounded by a group that began to -- >> can kick me, mace me, i'm trying to be macho and you know,
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not let it affect me, but it does affect you, when you are alone and nothing on your mind. >> reporter: some jewish college kids after a barrage of hate this spring in the war between israel and hamas, now scared to go back to campus. are you scared? >> yes, i mean -- why is. yes. and i try not to be. >> reporter: julia found an instagram forum and gathers tales like this. >> somebody drove by slowly and rolled down her window and while filming me, started to yell out about 17 times. >> it's spread far and wide like never before thanks to social media. >> if adolph hitler had an instagram account, the public would have been convinced sooner. the holocaust would have happened faster. >> i saw a post that 70% of
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palestinian children are -- it's no what people are doing. >> reporter: some calling out posts that they see as anti-semitic, where do the jews go? a model. 43 million followers. she posted this. charged language said it's not about hate and the history actually dates back over 2000 years. >> you can't learn history from instagram. >> reporter: so some are calling out members or the squad for this, and this. representative of missouri it was tweeted that the black and palestinian struggles for liberation are interconnected and said this about u.s. military aid. >> instead of funding a military that polices and kills palestinian, i have places where the money can go.
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where we need investment. we are hurting. >> reporter: they say they stand get all forms of hate and are legitimately criticizing the israeli government. others are seeing them using the jews as scapegoats. >> you make jews, as a collective, the face of what you don't like. all that is in the way of a brighter and progressive future. that is how anti-semitism and atrocities against me people have begun. >> synagogues are being defaced from alaska to arizona. >> the rise across america. >> incidents spiked around the war in may. >> it's never about the conflict. >> reporter: okay. >> people in different groups point to jews with too much power in finance.
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and media. and a classic chirp of antisemitism. >> reporter: american jews are suffering hate from many sides. >> jewish americans can feel, how do i say it right? they can feel squeezed. >> reporter: stones were thrown through synagogue window ones. in new york in april. a young black man arrested. this man is seen as fueling anti-semitism in the black community. >> i'm here to separate the good jews from the satanic jews, yes, yes. >> reporter: and the research shows one group is higher. on the left, it's largely the young, the man use a -- accused of firing on a synagogue. in 2019. was just 19 at the time.
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our previous president trivialized anti-semitism. >> you are not going to support me because i don't want your money. >> it makes it acceptable. the president said it. it's not a problem. >> he said this out loud. >> fine people on both sides. >> jews will not replace us! >> reporter: they won't. roughly 7.5 million jews in america and 175 million white christians. >> it's education. it's critical. >> reporter: 19 states require the holocaust be taught. in secondary school. 31 states do not. there were a few generations that may have interacted with a holocaust survivor. or a veteran. that's gone away. >> there's some that in may have been a world war ii veteran and it's gone away.
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>> security stepping up in the jewish community. volunteers being trained to protect their communities. >> people that do such things they are motivated by a strong feeling of hate. of obviously ignorance as well. my question is what happens next. >> i have never met the people, i don't understand why they hate me so. i did not wear any israeli flags. >> there's many jews that are ready to move to israel because they see the writing on the wall here. >> it seems like a small thing until they grow up. >> let's end where we started. florida. hitler was right, a sickening sentiment gaining traction in america now in 2021.hearer that man asking what happens next. terrific report, nick. had there been other countries that saw the rise in anti-semitic attacks? >> reporter: yes, listen, it's been around for 2000 years and in america, they are saying it's feeling like europe, and that is
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a bad thing. in europe, they have seen an uptick in incidents and attacks. germany, parts of germany in 2020, up 30%. so, we to not want on to be like europe. and apparently we are getting there. >> nick thank you so much for that report. the news continues so let's hand it to cries for cuomo prime time. >> thanks, chris, we have breaking news. the manhattan grand jury has returned indictments. they will be against donald trump's money man and the trump organization. and weisselberg. criminal charges. the specific charges are under seal so we don't know the details. sources say weisselberg is set to turn himself in tomorrow morning. there's no charge currently against the former president. one was not expected at this point. this would be the first criminal charge against the company not to mention the former president's money man.
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