i mean for everyone. it's very hard to keep it a straight face. but for those m families, you have to. you have to make sure you're giving them hope. >> reporter: yes, he is all about hope. and our hearts go out to all those in surfside tonight. that is all for us. the news continues. time for "prime time" and good time for "prime time" and good man michael smerconish. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com thank you for that. i am michael smerconish. you remember donald trump's call for the secretary of state in georgia to find him votes? apparently he was trying to do the same thing in arizona. there's new evidence surfacing tonight of more reported behind the scenes efforts by trump and his allies to pressure state election officials to help him retain the presidency. this was all back in the weeks after the 2020 election. you remember this in georgia? >> i just want to find 11,780

votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> the arizona republicans now obtained new records via a public information request that show how trump, his former personnel attorney rudy giuliani, and arizona state gop chair tried to pressure maricopa county supervisors overseeing the election results. maricopa is arizona's most populous county. county supervisors there reportedly got texts and phone calls as votes were being counted and later as the votes were being contested. here are two of those voice mails from rudy giuliani, one to clint hickman, who is the chair of the maricopa county chair of supervisors at the time, and another to bill gates. the music you'll hear underneath the call was added by the arizona republic in their online story. >> this is rudy giuliani. i was very happy to see this is

going to be forensic audit of the machines. i really wanted to talk to you about it. the president wanted me to give you a call, all right? thank you. give me a call back. i would really appreciate. hello. it's rudy giuliani, president trump's lawyer. if you get a chance, would you please give me a call? i have a few things to talk over with you. maybe we can get this thing fixed up. it's a shame republicans are in this situation. i think there may be a nice way to resolve this for everybody. so, give me a call, bill. i'm on this number any time, doesn't matter. okay? take care, bye. >> here's another from arizona republican party chair kelly ward to clint hickman. >> hey, clint. it's kelly ward. i just talked to president trump, and he would like me to talk to you and also see if he needs to give you a call to discuss what's happening on the ground in maricopa. give me a call back when you

can. thanks. bye. >> hickman told the arizona republic he believed trump was going to ask him to change the results of the 2020 election or promote other election-based conspiracy theories, so he decided not to return the president's call. another supervisor tells the paper he didn't return two calls from the white house switchboard operator who indicated then president trump wanted to speak to him. kelly ward didn't respond to comment from the arizona republic. cnn reached out but hasn't heard back yet. we've reached out to rudy giuliani for comment and are still waiting. we just heard from former president trump's team, quote, it's no surprise that maricopa county election officials had no desire to look into significant irregularities during the election. they've refused to be open and honest about the presidential election, stonewalling a forensic audit for months, hiding voting equipment from voters to this day. what do they have to hide? reaction to this, democrat katie

hobbs, who is running for governor. welcome to "prime time." does any of this surprise you? >> no, it's not surprising. it's just -- it's so maddening. we knew this was happening in georgia. we suspected there were some attempts to undermine the election here, and now we have it clearly in tapes. and, you know, arizona law makes it clear that interfering in election is against the law, and that is exactly what this appears to be. >> do you hear interference in those giuliani voice mail messages? is there anything proper about doing that if he's representing the president and feels he's been agrieved? can he make that call? >> well, look, there are proper channels. if you have legitimate concerns about the election, there are proper channels to address those concerns. they tried that avenue. it didn't work for them. they went to court nine times

with no evidence. there really is no reason that you would be calling the supervisors or other election officials because that's not the proper channel at all if you have concerns about an election. >> madam secretary, you know the personalities. i do not. but i'm intrigued by clint hickman because i read in the arizona republic that he was a trump supporter, had greeted the president on a tarmac, even had gotten a shoutout at a trump rally and yet would not return the president's telephone call when these calls came. >> these are people who took an oath to the constitution of the united states and the constitution laws of the state of arizona, and they are doing their job, upholding their oath of office. what we heard in the tape with secretary brad raffensperger was clearly not appropriate, and i applaud these gentlemen for

doing their job despite the political pressure on them and the potential consequences for not responding to these interference attempts. >> what's the status of the infamous audit? >> that's a great question. it seems like it was supposed to end this week, and now they've moved everything to another building at the fairgrounds. so, this is just indicative of the fact that they don't know what they're doing. they're making it up as they go along. and that the longer they drag this out the more they're able to continue fundraising off of this effort. >> what voting equipment and routers are you hiding from the former president as per the statement from his office that i just read? >> everything that was subject to the subpoena was turned over to the state senate. this is more misinformation

designed to deflect and distract and undermine the integrity of the election we conducted and the integrity of the board of supervisors who continues to do their job, the jobs they were elected to do. >> the arizona republicans also reported about representatives of other states, including my own, the commonwealth of pennsylvania, who have come looking at the audit to the extent they are seeking to immolate what's been going on in your state, what would you tell them? >> well, we've been having conversations across the country with other election officials, both state and local. and they're all concerned about this type of -- i mean, i cringe every time i hear someone say "arizona-style audit," because this is certainly not anything that belongs near elections. it is not an audit. it is a sham. it is designed to continue to undermine the public's trust and

confidence in the election and sow doubt on the 2020 election, which was a fair election and the results we certified were accurate. so, there's a lot of misinformation that is spreading and i think folks that are watching are working to make sure it doesn't happen elsewhere. >> madam secretary katie hobbs, thank you so much for being on "prime time." >> thank you. a member of congress and a potentially key witness in the january 6th investigation just directly linked the trump white house to comments like this. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down name and kicking ass. >> republican mo brooks in response to a lawsuit filed by democrat eric swalwell well says, quote, brooks only gave an ellipse speech because the white house asked him too, and there was, quote, an agreement with the white house concerning speech parameters. former federal prosecutor elliott williams joins me now to

dig into the congressman's legal arguments, a little bit of context, elliott, first. this is a civil suit. this is a private lawsuit filed by eric swalwell well against mo brooks and others seeking accountability for the events of january 6th. is the lawsuit viable? >> it is. but here's the thing, it's not just mo brooks. it's mo brooks the individual in his personal capacity, not mo brooks the congressman. and the tricky question here, michael, is where does the man end and the congressman begin? now, representative swalwell's lawsuit claims these are all statements that are made in his personal capacity. what representative brooks has said in his filing today is no, no, no, no, no, no, this happened during the work day. it happened on the grounds of congress. i was driven there by a member of my staff. therefore this must have been an official act of me as a congressman, and therefore you can't sue me for it. >> elliott, you know that the

decembe discussion continues in the house of representatives about a congressional inquiry into january 6th. in fact i'll be talking about it in just a moment. as a plaintiff's lawyer, as a trial lawyer myself, i look at this and wonder might the discovery phase from this litigation bear fruit? >> absolutely. there's no question that it will because there's open questions as to, number one, as you teased until the beginning, what kinds of communications were there between representative brooks and the white house? number two, what conversations were there among members of congress? number three, what communications were there between the president and other members of congress. and all of that's going to come out in litigation. it's just this tricky question, like i said, of whether you can actually sue these people. and there's an expansive definition as we saw just i guess a month ago with donald trump and the defamation suit that was claimed to be in his personal capacity even though it was given at a press conference, if you remember the e. jean carol lawsuit where he was alleged to have defamed someone

while in a white house press conference. courts and frankly the justice department right now regard the definition of in the scope of employment quite broadly. >> start taking down names and kicking ass, the words of congressman on that day. and in his response to eric swalwell well, i may be able to put a full screen up that shows this. i can tell you he says, well, the context isn't important because the words of the sentence or the paragraph actually began as such. and in context when i talked about kicking ass, i was speaking about 2022 and 2024. your thoughts? >> oh, lord, michael and thank you so much for putting that up on the screen. in congressman swalwell's suit, which i have right here, the context is where we says we're not going to let socialists rip out the heart of our country. he's not talking about 2022. he's talking about trying to subvert the 2020 election.

it's non-sense to say he used the aside as such, therefore i could not have been talking about 2020. they're being cute. and again, he didn't even want to accept service of the lawsuit. if you remember there was a bunch of stories a month ago that eric swalwell couldn't even find mo brooks. this whole idea first they didn't want to accept it but now i've accepted the suit but i was acting in my official capacity, they're just trying to avoid getting sued, i think. >> it will be interesting to watch this unfold. elliott williams, thank you as always. >> happy fourth. take care. >> you too. thank you. ahead, several republican members of congress weren't present for the vote this wee on a select committee to investigate the capitol attack. they were with someone who took part in the insurrection that day. but wait, there's more, and it's next. it's more. it's the simple act of enjoying time with friends,

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more than a dozen republican members of congress didn't vote this week to form a panel to investigate the attack that could have killed them on january 6th. where were they? nearly 2,000 miles away on the mexican border. tonight we're learning who was with them, a capitol rioter. here he is along with colorado congresswoman lauren boebert. his name is anthony aguerrero, he's a close ally of marjorie taylor greene. he's a youtuber who took part in the insurrection. on january 6th he entered the capitol, chanted heave ho along with others and this is our house. we should note that aguerrero has not been charged and the fbi has declined to comment on whether it's investigating him. but now he's traveling around with u.s. lawmakers? we still don't know much in terms of lawmakers in terms of who will make it to investigate the attack. house gop leader kevin mccarthy

can fill five seats on the panel. he wouldn't say yesterday whether he will. two gop sources tell cnn they think he will not. as i see it he has three options, pick no one at all, pick someone who opposed certifying biden's win, plenty of those, 139 house republicans voted to overturn the election or a third option, pick a republican who didn't help push the big lie. but that would be going against most of his own party. speaker pelosi won't say if she would veto any of mccarthy's picks. let's find out what ron brownstein and charlie dent foresee. gentlemen, i want some game theory here. charlie dent, if he selects someone, a republican who voted not to certify joe biden's election, that would seem a conflict when part of the task here is to take a look at the causes of what went on january 6th. >> that's right, meekal. i think it is an enormous problem for republicans. the reason they don't want the

investigation, they don't want to sit there on a panel and find out what actually happened. some of them, as you are well aware, could end up being witnesses in this investigation. so, that's another reason. so, i don't -- and who's kevin mccarthy going to select? he could select jim jordan. i would not advise selecting -- it has been reported that under consideration, somebody like mar marjorie taylor greene. i couldn't imagine that or matt gaetz. i think at the end of the day if he selects members, he will select trump loyalists but not the most extreme ones because that would be a disaster. >> if he doesn't select someone who opposed joe biden's election, by definition he can't trust that person, right? >> oh, look, i mean, the issue is not whether he selects someone who opposed it. it's whether any of the five didn't oppose it. that would be the only question. he's already sent a strong

signal by suggesting they may discipline liz cheney for accepting an appointment from nancy pelosi by removing her from her committees when they have not done the same or disciplined marjorie taylor greene. and it does go to this larger point that we've talked about before that i've written about before which is that the extremist caucus in the party, whether measured among elected officials in congress or among the voters themselves, has become too big apparently for the republican leadership to confront. and i think they are consistently sending the same message to the same voters who are qanon sympathizers or proud boys, that they are not going to stand up and draw a bright line writing these forces out of the party to some extent the same way the republicans in the 1960s did in the john birx society. >> option three, he picks nobody. >> i think that would be a mistake as well. if you pick no one, well then

the democrats, of course, liz cheney, they will control the narrative. and i think if they're smart, the democrats will be smart about this, they'll try to be very fair and balance in the investigation. obviously an independent commission would have been preferable. but the attack on the select committee will be that it's a partisan witch hunt. so, it will be incumbent upon the democrats to be balanced. but i think it would be a terrible mistake for the gop not to be represented on that committee other than liz cheney because if they want to make their arguments, that will be the place to do t it. i do think they'll be on a tremendous point here. >> ron brownstein, now look at it through the lens of speaker pelosi. does she exercise her veto? who does she want on that panel? >> i think she's going to be reluctant to veto because of the points that charlie mentioned. republicans right away will be accusing this of being biased. i think democrats would be best served by republicans who

honestly want to seek the truth, as with the country. you know, the challenge we have -- i mean, there are so many stories, one after the other, i mean you were talking in the givening of the show, the revelations today in arizona about the pressure the president put on maricopa county after the election, the accounts a few weeks ago on the revelations that the justice department sought subpoenaing communications not only for journalists but democratic members of congress. i talked to john dean a few weeks ago and he noted that we knew so much more, we had so much of a greater and cyclopaidic knowledge of richard nixon's abuse of power when he left office than we do of trump's, and trump might seek to reobtain those powers in 2024. and all of this to me, michael, underscores the need for a more systematic understanding of what trump did with executive authority and all of the ways in which he may have abused it. >> ron, i agree. charlie, you get the final word.

the question is would anybody care? i mean, half the country will care, but no matter what those findings might show, a worry about a huge segment of our population, they don't give a damn. >> that's true, michael. i think a lot of people have made up their minds. they've been told that the election has been stolen and no amount of facts or evidence is going to change their minds. and that's the tragedy of this whole event, of the stolen election narrative is undermine much of the american public's confidence in our electoral process and in our democratic institutions itself. that is the problem here. so, we do need this investigation. we need to find out the facts and the truth. and this is the only game in town right now. it's the select committee. and, again, not ideal. we would prefer the commission. but there are many, sadly, on the republican side who don't want to delve into this. that's where we are. i think it's tragic for the country, but i'm hoping that they can come up with some

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travel's back with a bang and experts say the numbers this weekend could break pre-pandemic records. aaa says it expects more than 43 million americans to hit the road this weekend. that's the largest number ever. while tsa says it expects to surpass the record setting

2.7 million passengers who were screened last sunday. let's talk a step back considering where we were last year. these headlines speak for themselves. covid cases skyrocketing. health experts were pleading with americans to skip parties and stay home. so much progress has been made, but keep in mind we've still got a long way to go. let's discuss with the wizard of odds. harry inton is here. harry, president biden acknowledged we're not going to hit his vaccination goal by independence day. where are we on that front? >> we're going to get to 67% of adults with at least one vaccination. he was hoping to hit 70%. what's important to point out is there's such a difference across the country in term of vaccination rates. you can see the highlighted states, those have hit 70% plus. the blue states have reached the goal that biden set while none of the red states.

>> where do those more contagious variants that we're reading about factor in? >> so, look, if we look right now at the case rates, right, what we do see is in fact across the country that you see a lot of red on your screen. 19 states, cases are up over the last week. we've been seeing a lot more green than red. no longer do we see that. that's because of the delta variant. cases are up 10% from last week. but what's so important to point out, michael, is that even though cases are up, look at the long trend line. is this really tells the story. and it's a good story, i think. if this map is a bad story, this slide is a good story. even though cases are up, it's still a fraction of where we were at the beginning of the year. let's see where we are later down the road as the delta variant takes charge and becomes the dominant variant in this country. at least right now cases are significantly lower than they were on january 1. >> harry, variants not withstanding, people i just referenced are traveling in big numbers. >> they are traveling in huge

numbers. just look at the number of tsa check-ins that we had on july 1. that was yesterday. 2.15 million. that is well above last year at 764,000. but it's also above the same point in 2019 when it was just 2.09 million. that is the first time, the first day, in this entire pandemic where we beat the 2019 baseline. so, there is no doubt that people are traveling. they feel comfortable traveling. and they're traveling, as you mentioned earlier on, in record numbers. >> yeah. pent up demand. how about the jobs report. it was released this morning. seems like a positive step. what do you see in those numbers? >> a lot of this story we've been talking about is a good number and a bad number, right? and i think the jobs report is indicative of that. what we saw was 850,000 new nonfarm jobs. that is up from the growth we saw in may when it was just a jump of 583,000. look at the labor force participation rate.

it's the same in june as it was in may and we are not yet back to the pre-pandemic levels. there are still a number of people who are staying out of the work force who were previously in the work force. and i think the real question we have to get to is what can we do to get those people back in it. >> yeah. it's a subject i talk about constantly on radio. harry, have a great weekend. thank you for being here. >> you too, my friend. america is open. so, let's celebrate this july 4th. you can join don lemon, dana bash, victor blackwell and ana cabrera for a night full of star studded musical performances and fireworks in cities all across the country. it all begins sunday, 7:00 p.m. right here on cnn. the supreme court closing out its term this week with the spotlight turning to one of its own, the court's senior liberal justice, stephen breyer, who's facing calls to retire so the democrats can install a replacement this summer. will he yield to the pressure? nobody knows the in and outs

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the supreme court issued its

final opinions of the term, but the spotlight remains on the judicial branch. in fact it's increasing for justice stephen breyer. it speaks to how thin the margins are on the left that the loudest voices in the democratic party say the best thing the longest serving liberal can do is retire. mitch mcconnell already said he won't let biden fill a seat if republicans win back the senate in 2022 and with a 50/50 senate democrats stand from one accident away from that coming sooner. few know the state of play better than joan biskupic. thanks for being here. has the judge himself given any indication that he's open to this conversation? >> good evening, michael. the justice has given us several indications here, but they all go in the direction that democrats don't like right now. he's hired his floor clerks for the next term. he's scheduled to promote a book

in september as a sitting justice. the book is about keeping the judiciary away from politics. he's had a really good run as the senior liberal justice for the first time. you know, ruth bader ginsburg was appointed in 1993 and he came on in 1994. so, until last fall, he was always number two to her. and right now he's the senior liberal and kind of feels a little bit more empowered, although as you know well, the liberals really have a weak hand on this supreme court. i think he feels like he's in a good place. democrats, we don't want him to feel like he's in a good place right now because they're worried about this one vote majority in the senate. i think what justice breyer believes is that he has a whole year to do it because as you know, michael, the midterms in november of 2022 should mean that the senate stays the way it is now with the democratic

majority, but the risk, of course, is a sudden death. >> i'm glad that you referenced rbg because you've reminded me of reporting. it may have been joan biskupic's for all i recall, that at a certain point president obama had tried to ease her on this path. and the question that i would ask is, a, is my memory accurate? and b, do you think there's a road map there for president biden? or would they at the white house today not want to touch this subject? >> you're remembering right, michael. i had gotten a tip that president obama had invited her to lunch to sort of feel her out to see if she would go while he was still in afs and the senate was still democratic. that was back in 2013. so, she goes to lunch, and i asked her about it because i saw her then the following summer. and i said, well, you know, do you think he was fishing to find out about your retirement plans. she said to me, no, i don't think he was fishing.

i said, why do you think he invited you? he said, well, maybe because he liked me. i like him. and it was her usual rbg self in the conversation. but as you know, she was not going to be pressured off the court. and, you know, i think she almost made it. you know, she thought she just had to make it to 2016 or january 2017. she had presumed, like so many other people that hillary clinton would win and then donald trump wins and she almost gets to the end of his tenure but unfortunately passed away in september last year, meaning that president trump got his third very crucial appointment of amy coney barrett. and justice stephen breyer witnessed all that. but i think he -- i don't -- he has not said a word about what his plan is. but every signal on scene -- and you know how i stay very close to that institution -- is that he's not going to go this weekend. he probably won't go this month. the pressure is going to get

louder. so, he'll probably keep thinking about it through summer. but every indication is that he would stay another term. now, he knows that it would be a risk for the senate, especially after the november 2022 elections, probably. again, this is my speculation, that if he doesn't go now he would go next spring , announce next spring and leave at the end of next june. but so many democrats feel that's risky. and they also don't want mitch mcconnell to use the potential vacancy as the campaign issue, not for a presidential election cycle this time as he did in 2016, but for the midterm elections in 2022. >> quick final question. does the decision like yesterday's 6-3 voting rights case, the arizona case, crystallize this, put increased pressure on justice breyer? >> you know, michael, i would

think that being part of that decision -- and he knows john roberts very well, and he knows how john roberts son voting rights. but i believe justice breyer would not be looking so much at yesterday's decisions as much as he would be looking at obamacare, on religion we got this here. stephen breyer cut his teeth in the legislative branch working as an aide to the late senator teddy kennedy. and he believes in that kind of process. he might be way too optimistic for washington the way it is these days, michael, but he actually believes that you can work across the aisle and you can work across ideologies. so i don't think he's thinking very much about yesterday's decision, which, talk about a big bang, talk about going out really in a defining way, the two decisions that we got from the roberts court yesterday. i think he's more thinking about the long game, thinking about the abortion rights case coming

next term, the gun rights case coming next term, thinking that he might be effective in negotiating to get a bit of a consensus ruling. but that's a very optimistic point of view. but that's him. >> joan, thank you so much for the expertise. we always appreciate it. >> thank you, michael. did you hear about rising track star sha'carri richardson? her olympic future now in doubt after she tested positive for marijuana. is her punishment too harsh? we'll take it up with christine brennan. that's next. but if you're a kid with diabetes, it's more. it's the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your glucose levels. ♪

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didn't fight the decision. >> i apologize. i know i represent a community that has great support and great love, so i poll apologize for the fact that i didn't know how to control my emotions or deal with my emotions during that time. >> christine brennan, cnn sports analyst joins me now. ch christine, weed is legal is oregon. where's the beef? >> it's a sad story. those words came from the drug corporation, the drug police, the ceo of the doping agency who enforces these laws, he's the one that said it's heartbreaking. the law, the rules within the antidoping agency that marijuana is illegal and if you take it in a certain dosage -- and they have changed that over the years, so it's pretty high dosage, so you can be suspended

if you're caught. and that's exactly what happened here. and everyone is scratching their heads. you're right. my guess is in the next few years we might see that change. unfortunately that will be too late for sha'carri and her brilliant performance at the olympic trials has been wiped out. whether she can make it and salvage a lbl of her olympic dream this time around we don't know yet. but this is just really a sports tragedy. it's so unfortunately. but to her great credit, she didn't deny it. lance armstrong and others, everyone remembers these clowns that just made up -- like the dog ate my homework, made up stories. here's a class act who owned it and even though it's a difficult decision, she did not lie. she did not say she didn't do it. what a great credit to her. and what we're learning about her, as i said, what a class act she is at this most difficult time in her career. >> i too appreciated the way in which she handled it and the

statement she offered, which we aired a moment ago. here's my question, is it regarded as a performance enhancer? i guess it's a function of whether it's indica or sa tee voir dire, whether it's dulling our senses or sharpening them. is that the in the scientific world whether or not it's a performance enhancer or whether it isn't. there is also the question about the health of the athlete who might be taking it, as was pointed out to me by travis tiger, the man that caught the worst cheater in history lance armstrong and brought him to justice as travis said, you don't want a downhill skier going 90 miles an hour.

if you were taking marijuana and competing and that's a key part of this. by the way, i'm not defending it, i'm explaining it as someone that covered the olympics for a long time. that's the key point here. it is -- you can only test positive for marijuana during competition. if she had taken it in february, no problem. if she had taken marijuana in march. no problem. it was she took it at this exact moment, as she said, because of her emotional -- >> her mom died, yeah. >> her biological mother passed away. >> i hope she makes the relay. thanks for being here. >> michael, thank you. search and rescue efforts continue in surfside, florida but there are challenges. engineers have a plan to demolish the rest of the collapsed condo and a hurricane is threatening south florida in the coming days. an update from surfside's mayor is next. lest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find better laughs at family barbecues. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear,

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a demolition order has been left for what's left of champlain tower south in south side, florida. the building is behaving like it may collapse. this as search and rescue crews continue to find bodies today. they recovered a 7-year-old girl, compounding the heartbreak her father is a firefighter working elsewhere on the site. it's all being complicated by a hurricane looming and the fear that the rest of the building may come down. the death toll now stands at 22 confirmed, a possible 126 bodies may still be under that rubble. one of those saying it would be better to demolish the building and push it in the direction officials want it to go. s the surfside mayor charles joins me now. can you proceed with demolition before the rescue mission, before the recovery mission is

concluded? >> the mayor, the dade county mayor's engineers do not think that can be accomplished. >> so how will this play out? >> well, we're going to have to cross our fingers and hope that this hurricane or this potential hurricane that could strike surfside will not blow the building down in the direction of the pile with the victims inside. >> okay. but if we get past the hurricane, then does demolition begin before the recovery mission has ended? >> no, no, not necessarily. it could be going on at the same time. the recovery, you know, everybody is on the same page with the recovery. i've said from the very beginning, we have really two jobs. one job is to get everybody out of the rubble as fast as possible and two is to support the families. everything else is secondary and less important.

you know, the issue with the tower, the remaining tower is that it creates a dangerous situation for the workers in that there is debris falling from it. i imagine if it were to be demolished, the demolition preparation could take place where crews are working and during the time the building was actually collapsing, the rescuers would have to step away and immediately following the collapse, the workers could re-engage. >> mayor, how about the fate of the north tower? has it been fully inspected to your satisfaction, and if not, when will it be? >> it was getting calls from residents in champlain north that asked me whether or not the building was safe and i couldn't answer that question. we put our building officials in there. they walked through it. they didn't see anything terrible that jumped out at them but having said that, they prescribed a full top to bottom forensic investigation of the

structural systems. that is starting very shortly and will involve x-raying columns to see what the quantity of steel is in the columns among other testing. once that testing is done, it will go to the lab or their commuter systems for three weeks of modelling at which time they tell us they'll be able to give us a very good indication whether there is a problem or not. in the meantime -- >> and during that time period -- yeah? >> and in the meanwhile, we'll be offering to any resident that feels uncomfortable with living in the building alternate housing, you know, i wouldn't be comfortable staying in that building personally but there are people who have said they intend to stay during testing phase. >> mayor, thank you for being here. we wish you the best. >> my pleasure. thank you for your prayers. >> that's it for us tonight.

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