all right. thank you for giving us the opportunity tonight. remember, see the game that is at play in politics. that's the key. don lemon tonight with the upgrade. as he tries to eat his weight in tacos. you get laura coates. >> i thought it was nachos? >> that was last night. >> all right, well. >> he may have no discipline. he loves diversity in the diet. >> i don't know. assuming he's sober enough to answer. let's take up the case. which side do you want on sha'carri richardson? pro or con. >> you take pro.

that's the right way to be. rules are rules. here's my push back. not all rules are the same. weed is not a performance enhancing drug. she did nothing to help herself gain advantage. it would be a disadvantage you could argue. she did a time during mental duress and serves no purpose as a policy to enforce this. the united states should be more to resist. not to enable. >> it's hard to be fully pro or con. although the rules are rules we have a patch work of rules when it comes o weed in the country. justice thomas spoke about this. having uniformity. i can see the argument in order to be an elite athlete and you have to have the discipline to abide by the rules. we want that to be the case. again, it's hard for people to understand that this is not somehow the united states selectively enforcing certain

rules. when it's convenient to do so. especially when frankly the world stage does know the united states is not always consistent about the rule abiding. >> domonique dawes was on. being under age is an advantage. in gymnastics. why? they peak early. there's an advantage. taking substances that allow you to heal. and give you a different level in your connective tissue. that gives you advantage. you get caught you should lose. this is not one of those things. >> as the president said. maybe it's time to look into changing the rule and reflect that. i suspect the federal government has to do it when it comes to what schedule marijuana is on. in contrast to what states do. it's an ongoing conferring. i see both sides of the issue. talking about rules that are applied different by state by state. >> i lost twice in the

conversation. >> it's funny how that happens. >> only with you. you are the upgrade. always a pleasure. >> thank you. i'm jealous you talked to domonique dawes. multiple big stories. new tonight rudy giuliani law license is suspended in washington d.c. after the president former personal lawyer saw his license suspended in new york. for pushing the big lie of election fraud. >> the only submitted 8,021 ballots from dead people. mail in ballots for dead people. easier for dead people to submit mail in ballots than vote in person. we cannot allow crooks to steal an election from the american people. >> let's have trial by combat. >> the appeals court saying the man once known as america's

mayor would be suspended from working as an attorney in the city. pending the out come of the situation in new york. we have much more on that. and it comes as on capitol hill, kevin mccarthy doing everything is deciding to put republicans on the committee. almost certainly to include some trump allies. meanwhile a new book quotes the then president of the united states praising hitler. while on a trip to paris to commemorate the end of world war i. the inside story of how trump lost by the "wall street journal." trump reportedly told then white house chief of staff quote well, hitler did a lot of good things. former president denies saying that. we have reached out to john kelly for comment. the idea that the president of the united states the leader of

the free world would say anything to praise the man responsible for the deaths of 6 million jewish people in nazi concentration camps is despicable. hitler didn't do a lot of good things. and this is knot just the former president. this is the undisputed leader of the gop. and party clearly hasn't learned that this is despicable. first, to rudy giuliani. his law license suspended in the nations capitol. i want to bring in cnn senior political analyst. nice to see you all. i'll start with you, john. this is a huge blow for the former manhattan u.s. attorney and mayor of new york. he also ran for president. you worked for him. how are you looking at this situation is this. >> it's a tragedy when you look at ark of his career. he was one of the most respected

prosecutors of his generation. and really revere nd the office. to have the first insult to be raiding his house. and remove the law license. in a blistering document. and now washington d.c. part of the pattern. it shows how far he's fallen in critical ways. this is somebody who said that the law is a search for the truth. he didn't engage in anything resembling the search for truth in defense of trump pushing the big lie. in courts and other places. you reap what you sew. there's accountability for hlie in court. especially an election at stake. and call for trial by combat. >> he knew better. the idea that giuliani can i didn't know better. he was the u.s. attorney. the mayor of the new york. and somebody in a great deal of

legal peril. and michael cohen went to prison over the hush money payment. he's what he tweeted. i warned rudy giuliani everything donald trump touches dies. what do you think about that? >> well, i think that he went into this with eyes wide open. he obviously listed off the credentials he had in terms of understanding the law. and he still chose to lie to court. and lie to the public. lie to lawmakers. and about some pretty important things. so, i think this is an appropriate punishment for him. he probably deserves more. to have his license at least suspended for a period of time. as the process is going on.

yeah, it's just -- i personally never was a huge rudy giuliani fan. setting that aside, it's a real fall for this person. even if you whatever critiques you have of him. this is so far removed from that person. and he made the choice. he understood what he was doing. >> by the way, need not be a fan of the person. courts are fan of the truth. that is owed to the court. you try to bring in the court of public opinion and say all these things that are not honest and trying to use the court as vehicle of this pulpit. let's go to the idea of the big lie is not just something confined to a discussion about rudy giuliani. house minority leader he's finalizing his picks now for the democratic led january 6th investigation. he frankly is likely to tap lawmakers who he thinks can

defend trump. and i wonder is that tactic going to work? especially after speaker included republican liz cheney as a pick. is that enough of a counter balance? >> i don't think it's about balance. there's no compromise with lies. how many trolls he'll stack the deck with. the potential danger of blow back to fair minded americans watching the process. at the very least he should consider appointing one of the 35 republicans who voted for the bipartisan commission. i wouldn't expect that. do they want to make this a side show? they will look like the circus. you have to agree on basic facts. if they couldn't to push the big lie in the investigation, it will not be a good look for them. you shouldn't expect anything less. they embraced rewriting of history. >> should she use veto power? if he chooses any republican

complicit in the big lie? >> if he's going to choose -- which i don't think he will. choosing any of the like marjorie taylor greene types. but there should be deference given to him in terms of who he appoints. she can't just say no to anybody. what they're trying to do is basically he's realized that ignoring this isn't an option. it's something that will play out in the media. without having people there to make the argument that he wants made that trump wants made, it's seeding that ground to the democrats. the way the republicans are approaching this, we never normalize it. the idea that the way they have opposed having this investigation in the first place is highly problematic. and the fact then that in choosing people to be on the

committee he's only going to be thinking about what's good for him politically. vs. back at democrats with the libya committee. and treated it seriously and put serious people on. elijah cummings. and relationships with people across the aisle and treat it seriously. the republican party just is not everyone trying to govern. and aren't living up to the standards they held democrats to. >> thank you. i think we need to clear up a few things. for some reasons seem to be confusing to some of the elected officials and the so called leader of the gop. i can't understand how anyone can be confused by the facts and right vs. wrong. here we are. starting with the report out of a new book from the "wall street journal." that president trump told his chief of staff general kelly

that hitler did a lot of good things. hitler and the word good should never be in the same sentence. next. he led a genocide. any attempt at revision history to cast him in a favorable light and revisionism is par for the trump government course. adopted by his allies with the election and insurrection. a sitting member of the congress marjorie taylor greene continues to be cavalier about analogizing that genocide to the federal government response to covid. she apologized for comparing vaccine mandates and passports to yellow stars. remember, she went to the holocaust museum. where she professed her enlightenment on the issue. >> the holocaust is there's

nothing comparable to it. there's no comparison to the holocaust. >> now, is totally obvious her words were empty. just like congresswoman tweeted today. people have a choice. they don't need your medical brown shirts showing up at their door ordering vaccination. you can't force people to be part of the human experiment. facts first. on cnn. brown shirts refer to the military group the storm troopers who facilitied hitlers role to power. comparing the plan for targeted out reach to unvaccinate td communities in the face of rising concern about the delta variant. i can't believe we need to say this, i will keep it direct. and clear. do not invoke the holocaust. that is so dangerous. it's hurtful and counter

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there's according to a new book by "wall street journal" reporter. trump reportedly made the comments to a chief of staff. back in 2018. trump spokesperson is denying the report. joining me now former republican governor of ohio. john kasich. nice to see you tonight. it's shocking we're talking about this. the idea of a president of the united states praising hitler. the reporting is not confirmed. but he's quoting general kelly. talking about a former president who called white supremacist very fine people. what's your reaction? >> if in fact it's true, there isn't anything that out of a president of the united states would be more despicable and we have to look at the big picture. the rise of antisemitism in america and all across the world. 1,200 cases last year in the

united states. and we know what's happening around the world. when you have a president of the united states that says that if he said this, that hitler did good things. what it does is brings about loose talk. and we saw loose talk out of the person you mentioned in the last segment. comparing people that knock on door to give vaccines. does she understand what the brown shirts did? how they went and grabbed people out and they were jews. and sent them to their death camps? i built a holocaust memorial on the grounds of my state house when i was governor. i put it there so people realize 6 million people slaughtered. systemically. we have somebody who says allegedly says well, he did good things. and loose talk around brown shirts and the holocaust. this is really bad.

as you know jews have been targeted throughout human history. we see a rise of it now in the antisemitism. which i do not understand is rearing its ugly head again. and must be stamped out. >> it's so dangerous. for the reasons you said and more. the idea it's coming from people elected officials and in positions of power. extraordinary influence is all the more concerning. if the idea is like it's sanctioned loose talk and it's okay to say it if it's at the highest level of government. right? >> well, you know, it's just unbelievable to me. because you think about what happened. what happened to people as they were yanked out of their homes. mothers and fathers leaving children. terrified. put in boxcars sent to death camps. 41,000 people slaughtered. and think about -- this is

unbelievable. what i get concerned about is people don't know enough about it. maybe the people who use the terms just don't have any education in this. they don't understand what it is. the history of what happened needs to be recognized because if we don't pay attention to history we know what happens. things are likely to happen again. this slaughter and try to say there was some good things happening is out rage. you know it, i know it. people know it. any sensible person knows it. >> i remember as a child in minnesota. and meeting with holocaust survivors and telling the story. as they show the numbers on their arms. that was sered into my mind. i can't imagine people would be so flippant and compare it. onto current politics. i want to get your take on the author of hill billy. the author is running for senate in your state.

he's saying that he regrets calling trump reprehensible in 2016. i wonder is kissing his ring and specially distancing yourself even from your thoughts of then? is that the prerequisite for republicans running in 2022? >> i don't know much about this story. it's been the holiday week. what i can say is i think that people who make pilgrimages or bow to trump. they have to wonder about their soul. i think we have to be careful. you get elected to stand for things. and if people decide they have to kowtow to somebody else and in order to suck up voters and win. that's not a good thing. i don't know the details about this gentleman. or the people running. i haven't paid attention to the senate race in the state. across the country we see a pilgrimage supporting him.

i'm pleased to see nancy pelosi will name the liz cheney to the commission to find out what happened on january 6th. i can't believe we never got that through. we move on and see what happens here. there's going to be change. i'm going to tell you i don't know exactly when it will come. people are going to be regret the fact they are lining up for his approval. i don't agree with it. it's not good politics and not good for the country. >> governor kasich. thank you. >> thank you. >> he lie td about the election. over and over. all for one man. donald trump. and now rudy giuliani maybe facing the consequences. stay with us. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection.

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presidents surrounded by a team of official advisers and experts. they are not the only relationship shaping presidential legacy. joining me now. the author of the first friends. the powerful, unsung and unelected people who shaped our presidents. welcome to the show. what a fascinating book. i want to start with the why. why did you write this book? it's relevant. i know you didn't include former president trump. let's talk about the why you wrote the book. >> thank you for having me. since i was a little kid i have been fascinated by the american presidency. when i got older e worked on campaigns and the clinton administration. i came to witness really

remarkable close friendships between leader and best friends. i saw how this friend could speak more bluntly. act naturally than any staffer or aid. and everyone in some cases how the meaningful impact on consequential decisions. to my surprise there's very little written about this dynamic. in presidential literature. there's book about wives and chefs and butlers and pets. nothing about first friends. i decided o write the book. >> the relationship the status. the idea that repore is built. and shape the nation. you don't realize it. i want to talk about the unique relationship between president trump and rudy giuliani. and i wonder how you see it. based on the book and the close interactions you have seen. >> well, i wanted to do a chapter on president trump. i engaged someone as close as anybody to determine who it

might be. we went around and around for two months. until this person was very close finally confessed that the president really doesn't have a first friend. or any close friends. he has people he speaks to frequently. like the founder of marble. and casino mogul. in the end his closest friend just a shorthanded was his twitter feed. before it was shut down. all he need for emotional company is public affirmation. really the adoration of the base. this person said to me that we would go up to camp david on weekends and bring along family, so called friends. and just closet himself in a cabin. and that was his idea of relaxing with friends. calling the supporters. it made me wonder whether the presence of a real friend could have saved him from his worse

moments. we'll never know obviously. it's an interesting question to speculate. >> that's fascinating. the idea of affirmation and you write about the idea of the aid and counsel the first friend really provide. and we often spoke about trump administration the idea of having an adult in the room. this talks about which adult should be in the room. i want to talk about the president that you know best. you served as an aide in the clinton white house. bill clinton may not have been the president if not for a close friend of his. >> that's right. what really intrigued me about this rels ship is how much he relied on jordan. throughout his life and presidency. without vernon we may not have had clinton with president. when he lost arkansas governor he was distraught. he was trying to get comfort. couldn't get it. vernon was watching from new york and had become friends with

clinton three years earlier. he calls hilary and said do you have grits i'm coming to talk. he knew how upset he was. and thinking about leaving politics as a result. he goes down to arkansas and spends three hours in the kitchen. after they moved out and spoke really tough words to clinton. get over it, you have too much talent to give this up. he listened. and two years later he was taking the oath of office as arkansas governor. >> that's a book title. i hope you have grits down there. and leads to this. that's not all jordan did. he was a confident when it came to the biggest scandal. >> what was interesting, he was i would say as pivotal to the president as any chief of staff. or senior aide.

when he was elected president, clinton offered him the job of attorney general. he wanted him in the cabinet. vernon said i can be more valuable to you as your first friend. jordan was right. in any time he needed help he called him and he was there. involved in every major personnel decision. policy decisions. and most importantly clintons major source of relaxation. on the golf course, in meals. in the residence. outside. he was his closest companion. one ocht reasons why he relied on jordan so much he just had the best judgment and best political intelligence of anyone around him. clinton was impeached later over lying about the affair and vernon became a witness in that. he could have cut and run. he didn't. he stood by his best friend and the testimony he delivered before the grand jury helped

save clinton from conviction in the senate. before the impeachment trial. >> making his passing. more profound for the clintons and the nation. you also have that president trueman's friend and business partner. key in recognizing israel. a friend of the president not elected official is who changed the course of his history? >> i say it's the most powerful example of how a lifelong friendship can change the course of the history. they ran a -- together. haber dasher. in kansas city. it failed. they stayed best friends. one day he gets a phone call. 1948. saying harry truman is not

seeing -- key to seeing israel. he walks into the oval office unannounced and uninvited and has a knock down drag out almost fight with his best friend. he had never asked for anything from him before in his life. he says yo know you owe it to him to see him. he turns his back on him. ponders the question. swivels around and says all right. you bald headed son of a b. i'll see him. he sees him. two months later the first foreign leader to recognize the independent state of israel. >> the rest is history. it's all in the book. again, the book is first friends. the powerful unsung and unelected people who shaped our presidents. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> he was sentenced to 60 years in prison. he didn't commit the crime.

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november 2012. he has gun and starts to run. the gun falls out of his pocket. he carries it for protection. turns out there's been a robbery in the same neighborhood 18 hours earlier. and police think he fits the suspect description. he says he didn't do it. and was nowhere close at the time. >> at the time of the robbery, i was in a hotel. about eight miles from where it happened. >> police get the robbery victim to take a look and only him. the victim says he did it. the victim also identifies his gun as the weapon that was used. he gets locked up and because he has a previous conviction on a drug charge, he's classified as a repeat offender. and at trial at 19 years old, he gets 60 years in prison. with no parole. even though there were enormous flaws in the case. the way police single him out as a suspect. he is brought to a garage alone.

handcuffed where the victim waited in a car. during recorded jailhouse telephone calls with his lawyer, police set him up and made him look guilty. >> the identification. they had a light in my face for 15 minutes. they were trying to make the victim say it was me. >> the victim is white. studies is black. cross racial cross-examination is unreliable. he tells his lawyer again and again that security cameras at the hotel where he was staying would prove he was nowhere near the robbery. >> it was 2:00 a.m. at this time i'm on camera. >> the lawyers wait three weeks and don't get the recording from the right time of day. they are recorded over. and maybe the biggest flaw. a juror ab stains from the vote. louisiana was one of two states that allowed criminal

convictions without a unanimous verdict. that rule has been changed. all of which made the new new orleans district attorney who campaigned to clean up the system see an unfair case with flimsy evidence. that needed to be thrown out. the previous prosecutor said no further review was required. >> they had all the themes. it covered everything from the fragility of misidentification. cross racial identification. and failure of following best practices with regard to proper identification. that are reliable. it had excessive sentencing. it had the common place nature in which we throw away black men and boys. with very little facts. very little evidence. >> almost everything that could have wrong did. and it took a miracle to over

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who represented him in over turning the wrongful conviction. i'm so glad you are here to share the story. i want to begin with you, you fought nearly nine years for your innocence. the justice system frank lu failed you at every single turn. did you ever lose hope that you one day would be exonerated? >> i'll be honest with you, at times the hope did fade. it was never lost. i never clearly never gave up. >> what kept you going? >> it's just -- a number of things. but just the most i can say is i can never get comfortable in that environment. the environment i was in, i

could never fit in. i always stuck out. >> you stuck out because you didn't commit the crime. right? the idea that you were there and just that profound statement of not being able to get used to it. he reached out to you for help. in a letter that you may have missed if it hadn't been flagged to you by are tired librarian. that he was communicating with. as a reporter you get a will the of letters. i'm >> i read this letter, and it was very clear. and first, what struck me was that he had gotten a 60-year sentence, when he was 19, for an armed robbery in which no one was physically injured. and so, that part of the case distressed me. and he was making a claim about innocence, and i could tell that it was worth investigating. because his conviction was based on an identification, by one witness, a cross-racial

identification. a white person identifying a black person. and those tend to be less reliable. so, what i thought when i got this letter is here is someone who is trying so hard to be heard. and somebody needs to look into this. and i was just incredibly lucky, to be able to ask my sister, who has won an exoneration for someone, before, as an attorney, to take a really close look at this case. >> i mean, amazing, laura, that you -- you were the sister, right? utico's case, as your sister talks about, exposed many flaws. i mean, the problem of cross-racial identification. i mean, according to the report, he was handcuffed, already, a flashlight in his face for 15 minutes. he said, himself, that they were trying to get him to identify him and at that time, louisiana allowed criminal convictions without even a unanimous verdict. and then, ya had bad lawyering, as he's spoken about. so, i mean, was the justice system just totally stacked against utico?

>> it was, 100%, stacked. and you listed the trifecta of things that contributed to his wrongful wrongful conviction, and i will say that when my sister asked me to look at this case, initially, i was reluctant only because i don't have a bar card. i had never -- in louisiana, i had never been there. and i thought, well, what could i possibly do? but then, i realized, about ten minutes into reviewing this case, i just knew with this really sickening certainty that he was innocent. and that was, basically, the next two years of all of our lives was proving that that was true. and i will say, that this case is really a lot about the power of local elections, because before there was a new da and a new judge, utico didn't have a chance. it's not that his legal arguments changed. it's only that the people in power to do something about it changed. >> utico, i mean, your original lawyer never established your alibi. i mean, getting the wrong video from the motel where you were staying. you could've been exonerated,

t then, and cleared. a separate-legal team dropped the ball on finding the friend that you were even with, at the motel, right? i mean, your trial lawyers never even pressed the prosecution witnesses about discrepancies between how you looked, and how the actual robber looked. i mean, you had a beard, at the time, right? i mean, you knew the truth here. so, when you think about all this, utico, and you realize that they weren't fighting for you, in the way they should have, what does that feel like? >> it -- it just -- it makes me think, like, what is the importance of one person's life? like, you know, to a lawyer or to the judge or, you know, like, what is the importance of a human life? because when we look at the case, it's like to say the stakes was so high.

like, look -- look -- look at the performance. look -- look what happened to say that my life was on the line. >> do you think that racism played a part here? >> oh, of course. when -- when -- when the judge lost to ms. harris, to judge harris, he made a remark and he basically said that all you had to do was be black or be a woman to, like, win the election. like basically, saying, like, ms. harris wasn't even qualified. or like, you know, like, outstanding as a judge and she is. like, all she had to do was be black. so, that was the judge so that's, you know -- >> just -- just the idea, utico, that they're making statements that demonstrated to you that you were not as valued of a human being. and you can just see the way, in which the way this case has played out. i mean, year after year after

year. it really is shocking. and i'm so grateful to have a chance to speak to each and every one of you. utico, i'll let you have the last word here, because you deserve to have your voice heard after being silenced for so long and not feeling empowered. what do you want people to know about you, mr. briley? >> i want people to know that i'm -- you can't -- you can't -- you can't judge a book by its cover. you can't judge a person off a record or a piece of paper or something that, you know, someone describes them as. like, you know, like, you got to -- you got to get to know me. like, for all those years, i was judged by what somebody said about me. or i was judged by how this judge described me, when he sentenced me. and, you know, that's how i was

treated. so, with that being said, it's like, you know, everything is just so deeper than the surface. it's -- it's just so easy to look at -- look at the surface of something, and judge it, you know, like you said, judging a book by its cover. when you have to make your own -- you got to make your own suggestion. >> well, yutico, mr. briley, we see you. we see you now and they always should have and it was a pleasure speaking with you, and all of you. i thank you for taking the time and i thank all of you for watching. our coverage continues. what do we want for dinner? burger... i want a sugar cookie... wait... i want a bucket of chicken... i want... ♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. hi guys! check out this side right here. what'd you do? - tell me know you did it. - yeah. get a little closer.

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