the vaccine past the six-month period. that's exactly what's happening, ending with an apology, sort of, with the company that started it, dr. fauci tried to put a pin in it saying listen to us, not the vaccine makers. the damage has already been done. this all began with a statement from pfizer and biontech. and i'm quoting, vaccine efficacy in preventing infection and symptomatic disease has declined six months. pfizer and biontech believe a third dose may be beneficial to maintain highest levels of protection. they didn't offer any data. only a caveat and an important one that efficacy against severe illness and hospitalization remains high. hours after pfizer's statement, the cdc and fda came out with a

statement essentially shooting down that assessment, a message echoed by the white house today. >> the cdc and fda have put out a pretty clear statement last night after the announcement by pfizer, making clear that people who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time. >> notice she's saying at this time. a statement from the fda and cdc went a step further taking a gentle swipe at pfizer for, well, here's what they said. this process takes into account laboratory data, clinical trial data and cohort data which can include data from specific pharmaceutical companies but does not rely on that exclusively. dr. fauci told cnn about a phone call he received from the head of pfizer. >> the ceo, who's a really good guy, got on the phone with me last night and apologized that they came out with that recommendation, so there is no, not that apologized about the

recommendation, apologized for not letting us know that he was going to do it ahead of time. >> an apology for the surprise of it, not the substance of the actual statement. there is, obviously continued confusion, because after the cdc and fda were saying boosters weren't necessary right now, the cdc director said anyone should get tested if they've developed upper respiratory symptoms, which is a pretty stark prescription for a country that's supposed to be rounding the corner. that also came as the cdc updated its covid guidance from schools. basically, schools should remain open in the fall, regardless of measures they can implement to prevent spread of the virus, which is a change in policy. some of it is coming at a critical time, according to medical professionals who insist that we're not out of the woods yet. cases are rising in a number of

states, in fact. as you can see here, the red areas represent areas where surge is the greatest. much of that rise in the central and south eastern u.s., and if we look past the state lines, we see what the clusters look like. at least five large clusters mostly in the southern u.s. and could become breeding grounds for more deadly variants. tomorrow there's confusion, questions and concerns about all of this. so many concerns we're pleased to have with us an expert on all of the above, a pediatrician and dean of the school in baylor, and he's an author. let's be clear about pfizer and what they actually said, because from what i understand, this information that was leaked from israel was that people who'd been vaccinated, i believe the report was in january and

february had, were starting to have lower efficacy in some cases, against the delta variant, i think down into the 60% range or 64%. but according to pfizer, didn't the head of pfizer, when a long time ago say that ultimately people would probably need to get another shot, you know, six to ten months after their final shot? >> yeah, anderson, let me break it down like this, and maybe it will clarify things. i've been saying for most of this year that eventually we'll likely need a third immunization of the biontech and pfizer vaccine, in other words, a booster. the reason for that is it will really jack up virus neutrali neutralizing anti-bodies. remember, as good a job as we're doing in the u.s. we're doing a

non-job in africa and south america and southeast asia. we're extremely vulnerable to lots of variants coming in. a third immunization at some point maybe in the fall or next year would be likely needed to provide greater resistance to the variants. point two, it looks like the two doses of the current vaccine are pretty robust against the delta variant. you cite that 64% number in israel, but in terms of severe illness, it's well over 90%. and, by the way, in the uk and scotland and in canada, there are now three studies showing over 80% protection. so pretty chose lose to what we seen. and that's the reason we don't need to be concerned about getting the booster. the protection against the delta variant is pretty robust. yes, we'll need a booster but not now and not for the delta variant. the press release as i've been saying all year and it's not

only for pfizer, it's for the others as well p when the company sends out the press release, it's not for me, it's not for you, it's for their shareholders and to increase stock prices. this has been a chronic problem, initially for operation warp speed and now, that there's no control over the communications coming from the companies. so yes, we'll need a booster, but nothing to worry about right now in terms of vaccination. >> i think the company argues that this is, you know, they've erred on the side of being more transparent than less transparent. it seems like people are talking past each other. the white house, jen sakipsaki saying you do not need a booster right now. and pfizer was saying we're going to be developing this booster so there is one when it is need. isn't that kind of what both sides are saying? >> well, but, you know, pfizer and moderna already publicly

said that previously, and whether it's going to be the same vaccine or fine tuned to one of the other variants, that's a p topic that's being discussed. the other thing that's unprecedented is why giving a boost for an emergency use authorization. that's never happened before. and why make the announcement? why not have this discussion with the fda in order to understand what the needs are going to be? that was kind of strange. what we really need to do, anderson, we need the full approval process for the pfizer biontech and moderna and j&j vaccine. this has been dragging on, and it's become actually an obstacle in the talking point now for the far right, you know, that want to try to make the claims that these vaccines are experimental or not safe. that's the biggest priority. >> yeah.

>> and then we can work out the booster with the fda and cdc at a later time. >> well, let me ask you that. because at what poimnt do you think a booster would be needed? initially i think they said six to ten months or eight to ten months. if people got vaccinated in april, which is when more people were able to get vaccinated, that would push a booster to when, sometime in the fall? >> yeah. the issue is we haven't really, we've not really seen strong evidence of declining immunity. in part, because we don't have the best mark errers for it. even if you see a decline in app antibody, you still have memory b-cells, memory c-cells. the cdc just came out with data

showing that 99 point something percent of deaths are in the unvaccinated. so there's no evidence of decline in immunity. you don't want things to get too far of about you boost. those are the things we're looking at. a third immunization shouldn't be a surprise. a lot of preparation ahead of that, but certainly not on the basis right now of what we're seeing with the delta variant. >> yeah, doctor, thank you. we appreciate it. we mentioned vaccine disinformation at the top of the program. what you're about to hearsa pr prime example of that from madison cawthorn. talking about the door-to-door campaign. listen to the congressman.

>> and now, they're starting to talk about going door to door, to be able to take vaccines to people. to think about the mechanisms they would have to build, and then think about what those mechanisms could be used for. they could go door to door to take your guns. they could go door to door to take your bible. >> joined now by the former senior adviser to president biden's covid response team. leading the charmge in the covi response, it's ludicrous and dangerous what he's just said. how do you respond? >> yeah, i don't think the bible-taking apparatus is quite built yet out of the white house yet. i mean, it's unfashionable to say you're antivaccine, but if you are representing a lot of constituents who are anti-vaccine, the right point is to make the subtle jab. and because the government is

involved in it, it is somehow fascism. it makes them think that, you know, i don't need to get vaccinated. i'm brave, i'm tough. you know, the government is more of a threat to me. that's really unfortunate. it crosses a number of lines we shouldn't cross. >> you recently went to twitter, and i want to read a portion of it. it's lengthy, but it's very strong what you said, and i want people to hear it. you said i deeply regret that we live in a world where very to respond to marjorie taylor greene. she's comparing it to her new favorite topic, yes, naziism. no one is in danger of asking greene to teach a history class anytime soon, but she did learn one lesson well from the nazis, dangerous propaganda, the latest

is biden suggesting people go door to door to talk about getting vaccinated. it's neighbors sharing their stories. if someone looking out for you and listening and talking to you about you, about getting vaccinated it a blow to your liberty when a powerful variant is sweeping through your unvaccinated area, it's time to re-examine what liberty means. our liberty's earned. the burden of enjoying our freedoms is contribute to the ideals of the country we can be worthy of. congresswoman greene, you, you're not, end quote. did you ever think giving a response like that to a sitting congress person would be necessary? >> well, got to love twitter, right? the truth is, no. i mean, if marjorie taylor greene doesn't want to get vaccinated, she doesn't have to

get vaccinated. that's true for everybody. the biden administration is not turning the screws to anybody. the reason they're encouraging people to go door to door is for exactly the reason that there isn't a mandate or a requirement. people have free will. she's creating this sort of straw person like saying benghazi or fauciism or whatever the expression is, to get people riled up over something that is the most common and decent of things. tell your open story, listen to people you trust in your own neighborhood. if you have questions about getting vaccinated, talk to people you know. i think that's all the president is suggesting. >> i mean, it is this kind of phony outrage machine, and it's propaganda, and it keeps coming -- how much of it is keeping us from fully overcoming this pandemic? the longer this drags out, the longer these variants mutate and pop up, the more people who remain unvaccinated, it just

goes on and on. >> right. look, i think we have about 30% of the population who's not vaccinated yet. i think about a third or about 10% are people that are, have real considerations. they have real concerns. they want to see more information. they're nervous about it, but they're taking it seriously, but they are subject to misinformation and disinformation. you have another 20% in the solidly,ly solidly i will not consider it. and they are white, rural republican and their concerns are ideological. it is unhelpful in states like missouri and arkansas where we're anticipating significant challenges for their leaders to get outer that. whereas you look at west virginia and they looked at the people and said if you are not vaccinated are you part of the problem. that's the kind of leadership that defies partisan politics

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talking about fight against the delta variant. we need to battle vaccine disinformation. two topics sorely lacking at the cpac which kicked off today. instead today the topics will include fare like the big lie, quote, detecting threats to election integrity, and spare the fraud, spoil the child, the future of american elections.

culture wars also very popular. one discussion is about can cancel culture be canceled. leadership, justice and jobs in the age of wokism, a conversation with conservative governors, and critical race theory is very popular. the former president is of course scheduled to speak on sunday. it was his namesake's son, donnie jr., who set the tone for the conference. >> what was donald trump right about? everything! the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is about six months. they're lying to you about everything. what else are they lying to you

about, guys? >> of course his dad lost by more than 7 million votes. i'm joined by mia love of utah, cnn political commentator. what is the republican party's message other than clinging to the former president and his array of grievances and lies? i mean, is there, you don't hear a lot of policy issues, a lot of the, you know, the issues of the day actually being addressed by this party, do you? >> and if you watch republicans like me and the majority of republicans to really make sure that republicans actually gain the majority in the house, and in the senate, they have to start talking about what they are for. now i understand that cpac is going to try and do everything they can to try to raise as much as money as possible, and i understand they have to throw as much red meat out there as

possible. at some point, parents are concerned about how they're putting food on the table. how are they going to fill their car up with gas? what are they for? how are you going to get out of saying hey, we were cheated, oh, my gosh. trump actually won. we want to get back to how are we going to get the economy in place, what are we going to do to help americans. what are we for? how are you going to behave in a majority. stop acting like you're in the minority party. >> but, i mean, it's not just red meat to the c-pac audience. this is the republican party now. the batese is the driving forcef the republican party. the big lie seems to be, i mean, the most important message being pushed by, certainly by the former president, by his, you know, his son, who's allegedly running the corporation. i'm not sure, you know, how that's going. >> how do you win an election?

how do you win an election with that? >> yeah. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> do you think that -- >> i'm trying to say -- >> is their argument, though, that, you know, get people riled up enough, and then you'll have a huge turnout at the polls, because people will think, well, the last one was stolen and this time we're going to prove them, we're going to stop that? >> with who? and are you bringing trump back to do that? are you going to have somebody that actually talks about republican policies again? because, if they don't, they're going to lose. that's what i'm saying. you continue with the rhetoric of couple of years ago, if you continue to look towards the past and you're not giving anything or anyone anything to hold onto for the future, republicans are going to lose. so they need to start talking about the policies that they believe in. okay. you don't agree with the infrastructure plan. what are you going to put in place? >> i wanted to get your reaction to something that chip roy said,

it's recently leaked video. we played it last night. it's about what he believes the gop strategy is right now. let's play that. >> honestly, right now, for the next 18 months, our job is to do everything we can to slow all that down to get to december 2022, and then get if here and lead. i actually think, thank you, lord, 18 months of chaos and inability to get stuff done. >> i get that, you know, politicians are partisans, and i'm sure there are democrats in a republican administration who probably said the same thing behind closed doors, we just want to slow things down, stop them from accomplishing stuff before the midtermex w election. and when you aren't proposing actual policies, and that's the only thing you're kind of hoping for, that just seems particularly, just a pathetic

strategy. >> that's why i keep saying they really have to have something that they hold onto, something that they can sell to the american people, something that you put us in the majority. this is what's going to happen. not hey, we're going to just completely slow things down. we're not going to do anything. that's the difference between being in the minority, showing that you can't governor and being in the majority, saying look, we deserve to be in the majority. this is what we're going to offer you, we're going to offer you a better tomorrow. we're going to offer you some hope so that way you don't have to worry about where your food is coming from or what you're going to do for work. you have a bright future ahead for you with us in the majority. so they have to stop looking back at conspiracy theories. they have to stop looking back at what they should have or could have had or what they thought they should have or could have had and start giving people something to hang onto. >> mia love, we appreciate your time, thank you.

we mentioned the far right conspiracies on the election, based on the big lie, a key focal point is that so-called audit in arizona that we've been following very closely. it was supposed to finish its count already, as we thought, our correspondent joins us with the latest. what is the latest chapter in this with this so-called audit? >> reporter: yeah, it's a bizarre chapter. whether we had been follow something a hand-count. we saw the lazy susans, looking at each individual ballot, do be a hand count. that part is done. can you look at this as the summer sequel that you didn't want. what we saw, and let me catch you up to date. if you look at first this aerial picture. we saw the ballots being boxed up. moved out of the coliseum, brought across the arizona state fair grounds on these trucks and delivered to a storage facility. and now look at this next video clip. and this is from about a week ago. this facility looks like you'd

expect, storage, ballots are all boxed up. there's nothing happening. it looks like a ring camera. well, suddenly, there was activity. this morning, if you look at this next video clip, suddenly, there were two counters, they're paper counters that were delivered. and we are now told it's not a hand count, it's a machine count. these machines are going to count each ballot. they're not going to look at what's on the ballot. they're just going to count the ballot. the arizona audit spokesman tells me is the reason they're doing this is to double and triple check what the contractor has done, cyber ninjas. he's calling it basically cleaning up. what does that mean? i don't know. i've talked to a number of people. maricopa election officials and national officials, and they're scratching their heads saying they just don't know what's

happening, anderson. >> just to be clear, whatever they announce, there's no, i mean, i say this every time, i just think, you know, it makes, us even reporting on this make it is seem like well, they're going to issue a report and hear what the numbers of the ballots were. they can say any number they want, and there's no authoritative source to say, well, this is true or not, because this is just a private audit that they claim to be doing. >> reporter: it's an exercise. i mean, that's really the best way to look at it. numerous officials, election officials, both republicans and democrats, say this ain't an audit. what's happening here is a partisan-driven exercise that almost seems like a hunt for nothing. no one can figure out what's happening. they're not updating anybody about what they're finding. and every day there's a new surprise. so if there is a report, and i,

i'm going to stress if, because we're told that there's going to be a report someday, you know, what we're hearing in advance is that real experts in the election space, and remember, we are talking about one of the pillars of democracy here, the vote, that it should not be believed, anderson. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. coming up, president biden calling up russia's president, warning him about the russian cyber criminals attacking the u.s. a live report from the white house next. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn

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with the u.s. getting a barrage of attacks from hackers, today president biden spoke with vladimir putin. the white house says he made it clear to putin he expects the russians to do more to stop the actions of cyber criminals. and he hinted that the u.s. may get more aggressive about the problem. >> up until now, the u.s. response has been to exercise sanctions and impose sanctions on russia for this malign activity. does it make sense for the u.s. to take it up a notch and actually attack the servers that are used? >> yes. >> cnn chief white house correspondent caitlyn collins joins us now. what do we know about what prompted this call specifically, and what was said?

>> after talking to white house officials they essentially argued that the main reason behind this call today, coming three weeks after that summit in geneva where they met face-to-face was the ransomware attack that happened over the july 4 weekend. it was an attack on a small flo florida company, but it handles the business of a lot of other companies. we were told that was what was behind this call today, where president biden confronted putin and urged him to crackdown on them, even if they're not being carried out bit russian government per se but by criminal gangs harbored by russia. but i think echoed similar to a warning he gave to putin a few weeks ago when they were in person in geneva. we had a pretty testy exchange when i asked him if he thought putin was going to change his behavior, given that he has not done so for other u.s.

presidents. >> what the hell do you do all the time? wh when did i say i was confident, what i said, what i said, let's get it straight. what i said would change their behavior is when the rest of the world reacts. i'm not kf d confident of anything. >> he denied any involvement in cyberattacks. he refused to say alexei navalny's name. how did that -- >> you don't understand that, you're in the wrong business. >> just to be clear, what if anything has changed between the u.s. and russia since you had that encounter, because he's now talking about better communication, consequences and ratcheting things up. >> it's not clear anything has changed. of course it has been three

weeks, but this was really an area the white house wanted to focus on. they know putin's not going to change a lot of his behaviors. he likes rankling u.s. presidents. you have seen the disruption they can cause to every day lives. what president biden said today, he felt optimistic about it, he felt like he could send a message to putin, he did talk about how officials are going to talk on cyber crimes and ransomware next week. but whether or not anything actually comes out of that seems unlikely or skeptical at best. because you saw the kremlin read out of that call today they cast doubt that any of these attacks are carried out in russian territory. though the white house has said they are based in russia, they know that, they say. russia is not alleging or acknowledging that they are in russian territory. so it remains to be seen.

the president feels good about it, but of course these attacks are incredibly serious to the white house, and we'll see what putin does going forward. >> thanks very much. the white house facing ethics concerns over an upcoming sale of paintings by hunter biden. some pricey paintings. >> reporter: these paintings by president biden's son hunter are sparking ethics concerns for the white house. hunter's artwork is set to be displayed and sold this fall at private and invite-only showings in los angeles and new york city, priced between $75,000 to $500,000 per piece. some ethics experts are crying foul. >> it just is implausible that this art from an unknown artist would be selling at this price if it didn't have the biden name attached to it. the cache that comes with this art is getting to say that you own art created by the

president's son. >> and some art critics agree. >> that, i would say for a first-time artist is a little out of scale with the normal pricing. they're fairly generic paintings. they don't have any life behind them. >> reporter: sources tell cnn the white house has been involved in forming a deal between a soho new york gallery owner george burgess and hunter biden to attempt to address any ethics concerns. two sources familiar with the arrangement say neither hunter biden or the administration will have any knowledge of who has bid or purchased the artwork. it will be kept anonymous. and, if there is any unusual behavior, like the offer price is too high, the gallery is expected to turn down the offer. >> the right answer here would have been to agree publicly to disclose the names of these purchasers to the public. the public could in that case could have tracked whether or not these buyers were getting

pref preferenceal access in return for paying ex-orthese amounts. >> here's how i look at it. i said the foul line is 15 feet away from the basket. never get me closer than 17 feet. it really have a matter of public trust. >> reporter: today the white house responded to questions over the sale of hunter's art. >> after careful consideration, a system has been established that allows hunter biden to work within his profession within reasonable safeguards. i think it would be challenging for an anonymous person whom we don't know, and hunter biden to know to have influence. that's a protection. >> reporter: on the website, hunter's biography did not mention he is the son of the president, instead, detailing his art style and describing him as someone who has devoted his artistic career to the visual arts. he has been open with his battle

with drug addiction and suggested that art helps. painting puts my energy towards something positive. it keeps me away from people and places where i shouldn't be. this isn't the first time family members of presidents blurred ethical lines. >> billy beer. >> reporter: in the '70s, jimmy carter's brother billy promoted billy beer. >> the man who was known as first brother started of manufacturing in the '70s. >> reporter: ivanka trump received more than a dozen p patents from china while the u.s. was negotiating a trade deal with china. cnn, washington. breaking news coming up next, what the haitian government is asking the united states to do in the wake of the asat nation of the nation's president. that's next.

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last night we brought you the news of the arrest of some of those the haitian government are responsible for the assassination of the country's president. these are pictures of some of those arrested, this comes as

breaking news comes from haiti. the government is asking the united states to send troops to protect the airport, infrastructure and ports in the wake of the assassination of the nation's president. the request was for about 500 troops, meanwhile the white house says fbi and other officials will be on their way as soon as possible. all of this around the mystery still swirls. matt rivers is the only international tv journalist who's made it into the country. he made it to the site of a building where a firefight took place. >> reporter: this is the building where one of the shoot outs took place between some of the suspects and haitian security forces took place. just by looking around it, the damage, can you tell how ferocious this battle was. look up here in the ceiling. it's a concrete ceiling, and there are multiple bullet holes. and as you come over here, look at this detail. these are the bullet holes left

behind after multiple rounds pierced this metal window frame. if you step back you can see this was an entire wall of windows and frames that is now basically just gone. and this kind of damage just extends throughout this entire building, walking into this room can you see lots more bullet holes in the concrete ceiling, and in here, more damage. windows just entirely blown out, more bullet holes. here's the things. there are still suspects on the loose after this assassination. so it makes you think, could there be more confrontations like this in store over the coming days and weeks >> and matt rivers joins us. is there an active manhunt for these, for what have been described as more suspects? because obviously, the airport, the border with dominican republic was shut down after the assassination. i would assume they would stilling around and visible at the very least. >> reporter: absolutely. and the manhunt is happening

right now to the point where we got an update, anderson, just a few hours ago with haitian authorities, saying that the number of detainees had increased from 17 to 20. they had been looking for eight remaining suspects. now that number is down to five. they are clearly continuing to incumbent sweeps across port-au-prince. there is a big police presence across this city as we have seen throughout, you know, our time here so far. so this is very much an ongoing operation. however, there's a lot differing information coming out of the government. it's been difficult, frankly, to get an actual pin point on what is happening here. take for example 26 nationals were involved in all of this. today somehow the number dropped down to 20. they didn't provide an explanation for any of that, they just changed the number without saying it. that ifs very much in leine to what is happening with the government not giving us much

information about motive. what is happening when foreign nationals come here. they arrive here and there is no motive given at the time for why this this kupt's president was assassinated. they haven't discussed who the financier might be, they haven't addres addressed who the mastermind might be. this remain as huge mystery with haitians not understanding exactly what happened to their president. >> and has the u.s. responded to the haitian government's request to spend u.s. troops? >> basically, they were very noncommittal in washington, d.c. today. the pentagon and state department not giving an answer to that request by the haitians, but it's not cheerlear that the going to send those troops. over the last hundred years, foreign troops being placed on this island has gone wrong, very, very, very often.

it's not clear that the united states will actually want to send troops here to protect infrastructure as the haitian government says they want them to. and it's also not clear that the haitian people would welcome their presence. >> i was there, i think was '95, i think it was '94, '95, when troops went to restore president aristide. i think at that was the last time the u.s. sent a large contingent of troops. next, a conversation with norman lear, on how he has made television history, plus his secret to a long life. he's about to turn 99. ♪ ♪ you already pay for car insurance,

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>> at the beginning of his career and was looking to find a show that he could really make his own. and he was turned onto a british series called "till death do us part." >> it was about a bigoted father. i said, holy, m moly. that was the way i grew up. and i knew, i had -- i had a show. >> that is famed-tv sitcom creator, norman lear. he is a legend and extraordinary career he's had. giving some insight on how he came up with the groundbreaking sitcom, "all in the family." he also created one day at a time, the jeffersons, good times, a lot of other and amazing shows. he is executive producer of two films in theaters now. i carry you with me and just a girl who decided to go for it. and i didn't mention he is about to turn 99. we recently talked about all of this. take a look. >> mr. lear, thank you so much for joining us. i am such an admirer of your work and your career. i don't think anyone can describe the impact "all in the

family," for instance, had on american-tv culture. what other, personal experiences have you drawn from, when -- you know, when thinking about creating a show? >> i -- i've been a good listener, all my life. and i've paid a lot of attention. i -- i came from a family that -- that lived at the top of its lungs and the ends of its nerves. and i paid a lot of attention to all of that. so, me, people we have worked to collaborate with and -- and -- and put on the screen are, all, people i have lived with, in a sense. certain parts of all of them. >> it's -- i mean, it's extraordinary, when you look back. how your shows -- i mean, you were tackling some of the toughest-social, cultural, political topics of the day. i mean, i remember, as a kid, watching "all in the family." and all the things that were discussed. and it would spark discussions, in my family, with -- with my parents. why do you think it's important

for -- for -- for sitcoms to kind of take on that material? and -- and do you think they, still, do? >> you know, i didn't think i was taking on anything, in that sense. what we dealt with were problems that, if we hadn't, as a family, lived through them, we had cousins and relatives that did. or neighbors, up the street, down the street, across the street. we were living through every problem that "all in the family" dealt with. >> you're, also, i understand, going to be 99 on july 27th. um, which is just amazing and extraordinary, and you look great. and you sound great. um, what is -- what's your secret to the career that you have had? to be on the -- really, on the -- sort of the cutting edge of -- of culture and forward thinking. what is -- what's your secret?

>> i think that's a secret. there are two, little words i don't think we pay enough attention to. over and next. when something is over, it is over. and we are on to next. and if there was a hammock in the middle, that would be the best way i know of identifying living the expression, living in the moment. so, i like to think in the moment. i spent the last [ inaudible ] since i knew we were going to be talking, looking forward to this moment. and i adore living it. >> i adore living it, too. i'm glad we are living it, together. but -- but you can do that. you can do that. you can -- you can say something's over and onto the next? >> on to the next, yes. and -- and, you know, i think i see that in you, as i watch you,

every evening. delighting in that moment. >> hmm. i -- i -- for me, it's a battle to -- to be present, in each moment. and that's something i -- i try to do and work on, a lot. but i love that -- that -- that you're able to -- to do that and that -- that you're focused on -- on that. >> yeah. i think about that, a lot. you know, i've never driven up -- we live on a hillside. i never drove up the hill, without thinking i'm seeing another tree, for the first time. or another something, for the first time. and -- and marveling at it. >> i -- well, i love that. that's a good ending for -- for our little talk. um, norman lear, is truly is just an extraordinary honor to talk to you. it -- it's -- you've done so much for so many people. i really appreciate it. >> i couldn't appreciate those words or you, more. thank you.

>> oh, well, thank you. and my -- my best to your wife and your family. thank you so much. be sure to tune in. the all new cnn original series the history of the sitcom premieres sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only on cnn. really is a legend. when we come back, remembering an american hero. [sizzling] i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock.

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