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good evening. no president should have to do what this president did today when he spoke up in defense of the right to vote and the obligation elected officials have to graciously leave office when the voters say it's time to go. after nearly 2 1/2 centuries as a functioning democracy that should obviously be a given. sadly it's not, which is what made president biden's speech today in philadelphia so significant, the fact it was even necessary. and sadly, it is. whatever else you might think of his specific legislative agenda on voting rights, the filibuster, even who you'd prefer to see in office. after four years that tested nearly every pillar of american electoral politics and after month and month of lies that
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have corroded public faith in elections themselves, it has become clear that the institutions and traditions of democracy are in need of defending. traditions, for one, such as not concocting a convoluted conspiracy theory to explain away the simple fact of losing an election. >> the big lie is just that, a big lie. [ applause ] the 2020 election, it's not hyperbole to suggest the most examined and the fullest expression of the will of the people in the history of this nation. this should be celebrated. >> if that weren't clear enough the president said this followed by a warning about the wave of state voter restriction laws based on that big lie. >> in america if you lose you
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accept the results, you follow the constitution, you try again. you don't call facts fake and then try to bring down the american experiment just because you're unhappy. that's not statesmanship. [ applause ] that's not statesmanship. that's selfishness. so hear me clearly. there's an unfolding assault taking place in america today, an attempt to suppress and subvert the right to vote in fair and free elections. an assault on democracy, an assault on liberty, an assault on who we are, who we are as americans. >> he called restrictive state voting laws enacted this year or in the works in places like
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texas, quote, 21st century jim crow. he renewed his push for the two big pieces of voting rights legislation now stalled in congress. most of all, though, he kept returning to the larger theme. >> the assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat literally. i've said it before. we're facing the most significant test of our democracy since the civil war. that's not hyperbole. since the civil war. the confederates back then never breached the capitol as insurrectionists did on january the 6th. i'm not saying this to alarm you. i'm saying this because you should be alarmed. >> we're also learning new details about what the former president was doing on the day the capitol was attacked. they're contained in our next guest's new book "landslide: the final days of the trump presidency," the latest from michael wolff. the following passage takes place with the capitol under siege. quoting from the book, "the president though was digging in
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his heels. he remains singularly focused on the electoral challenge and had blinders onto everything else. at least that's how everybody was rationalizing something close to his total failure, willful or not, to understand what was going on. at the same time no one in the white house was seeing this as the full-on assault on the capitol and the nail in the coffin of the trump administration that the world would shortly understand it to be. they were for perhaps another 90 minutes or so still seeing this as an optics issue as ivanka was putting it. it wasn't until later in the 3:00 hour trump was seeing it as people protesting the election, defending him so he would defend them to seeing them as not our people, therefore he bore no responsibility for them." again, the book is "landslide: the final days of the trump presidency." michael wolff joins us now. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you spoke to the former president twice for this book on the record, i understand. >> yes.
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>> you cover the election before the election night and through the insurrection and really up until now. talk about what was going on in the white house while what we were seeing on our tvs january 6th was playing out. >> one of the important things to remember was there was nobody in the white house. so in the -- from november 3rd on to election day, november 3rd, to january 6th one of the themes was that everyone that surrounded the president in the west wing, in the campaign, even his family were running for the exits. so you had by november 3rd, by saturday november 7th everyone around the president -- and let me state that. everyone, 100% of the people around the president knew he had lost the election and nothing that he would do -- he could do would change that. >> despite what the president himself was saying all the people around him -- >> all of them.
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they knew he was -- he had taken a step -- they've always known he was a little, you know, not like you and me. but he had taken a step further. so he was not in the present reality. everybody knew this. and everybody was trying to create enormous distance between themselves and the president. and this includes his family. so by the time you got to january 6 there was literally the white house was crickets, nobody there. >> that morning his kids had come in order to attend the rally. >> exactly. >> and you write in the book they sort of arrived with, you know, while celebrating this crazy four-year experience. >> i mean they were -- this was valedictory to them. this was, you know, let's celebrate, we've had this incredible thing has happened to us. there was none on their part. there was no grievance. there was no, you know, we're
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going to take this back, we deserve this. >> despite what don, jr. was saying at the rally on that day. >> totally. they were just you have to go through this thing. you have to say what the president expects you to say. but at the same time you live in the real world. it's only the president with rudy giuliani who is not living in the real world. >> you also write it seemed like the president had contempt for in some ways the protesters who had come to support him on january 6th. >> yeah. he's always looked at these people and saying they have tattoos, they have piercings, they dress in these costumes. i mean, donald trump is a man who wears a suit. so he sees them as, you know, these are fans. they're like -- rock and roll acts they see the fans and fans are great because they do what fans do and they jump up and
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down and they're emotional in a way that lends legitimacy to the act itself. but donald trump is not going to have lunch with these people. >> which is -- it makes it all the more hypocritical but also just kind of sad that all these people have traveled to washington, d.c. to, you know, support the president and believe that the president sees them and feels them and loves them. and you're saying he's -- >> well, i think it's more complicated than that. just think of the president as a performer. i mean, it is wrong to think of the president as a politician, wrong to think of the president as the president. >> you think we don't see the former president through the right lens? >> absolutely. we have tried to fit him into this thing, as much as we've disliked him, as much as we oppose him, we still see him as a politician trying to accomplish specific goals. he is not doing that.
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or his entire goal is to court the attention of his fan base, which he has successfully done and he does. i mean, this is one of the big mysteries, the ongoing mysteries is how has he so consummately channeled this incredibly large group of americans. and he's done it outside of politics. the language he's speaking is not the language of politics. >> you write about the outdoor rally speech on january 6th. he talked about walking to the capitol with protesters. which in the book you say was something that he ad-libbed, that it wasn't a planned remark. you write "he added that part, the walk, after this we're going to walk down and i'll be there with you. the walk wasn't in the text. the entourage heard little else. the hundreds and hundreds of hours of trump rallies they'd all been subjected to blurred into the usual blah blah. but they heard that line, the walk. he did not mean this, of course.
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trump didn't walk anywhere. the we was figurative." that was just something he said on the fly, which was obviously incredibly consequential. >> very much so and very much -- i mean that whole thing about not taking him literally, which he in fact comes off the stage and his chief of staff said, hey, we can't do this. there's no security for this. and he goes, what, what are you talking about? and he said walking. and he said i didn't mean that literally. and for everyone around him it was really the big tip off was a walk, really? trump walks nowhere. so, again, whenever he speaks he's always throwing out these things. what gets the response? again, it's all to play to the audience. >> also the vice president as we know was in a secure location in the capitol, and i mean did he even care that pence was there?
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>> well, he was -- i mean he was actually -- that's sort of the main background to january 6th is he's totally focused on mike pence. >> he cared in the sense he wanted pence to overturn the election, not pence's safety. >> no. he wasn't even thinking -- i mean, he was still right up until the end thinking pence was going to throw out the electoral votes and install him as the president. >> because that's what giuliani was telling him even on that day. >> totally. and they had gone through session after session after session with mike pence saying i am not going to do that. even that morning he calls -- he calls pence and finds pence in the middle of the session -- of pence and his people writing this statement that will come out during the president's speech saying publicly we're not going to do this. but at that moment he is still saying you've got to do this, i know you're going to do this, do this.
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and he's saying it in this really mean way and, you know, insulting pence's manhood and patriotism. and yet still believing this will happen. >> rudy giuliani, i mean, you -- the way he's portrayed in the book you've said he's basically drunk all the time. >> drunk all the time, yes. absolutely. >> it's incredible the president of the united states if that's the case, that he's relying on this guy who he's now by your reporting completely cut himself off from. >> yeah, and he -- and the president actually sort of knows this as much as the president is in some, you know, outer space himself. he knows giuliani is drunk. he knows giuliani -- >> because the president doesn't like drinking. >> yeah. all kinds of sort of focus problems. he knows rudy is a mess. but that doesn't make any difference because what -- the key thing is who will say what the president wants to hear.
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he's always shopping for that. and at the end of the day in this situation when no one would say what the president wanted to hear except rudy. >> are you surprised that the former president spoke to you? i mean, he obviously -- didn't he threaten to sue you after your first book? your first book had incredible details in it. they denied, you know, saying they talked to you -- >> he tried to stop the publication of my book. the only time in the history of the republic that a president of the united states has tried to stop a book from being published. >> were you surprised he agreed to speak, or was it in character that he wants to try to control the narrative? >> well, i'll tell you how this -- so, i mean, i had been speaking to people around the president, and one of them reported to him that i was doing this book. and what the president said was, oh, that guy gets ratings, let's see him.
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so, again, nothing -- there's no content here. it's just about the audience. >> he knew people would read it, people would pay attention to what you were saying. >> absolutely. and he has this belief. it's like with mike pence. mike pence tells him he's not going to do it, he's not going to do it but the president is still coming back saying you're going to do it, you're going to do it. he believes in the power of his own voice, the singular power. >> he also must know people around him speak and are speaking to you and other reporters, so he wants to get in on that. he knows people are not loyal around him in terms of silence around him. >> it's almost -- it's really difficult to understand because in addition to that when i spoke to many people and they say, oh, well, you know, and i said the president -- i've spoken to the president. and they said, okay, let me check with the president. and then the president would say oh, yeah, talk to him. then they'd say these horrible things about the president. so this is a disconnect at so
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many levels. >> some of your sourcings come under criticism in the past. there was an excerpt. liz harrington who's a new spokesperson for donald trump tweeted, quote, all these stories from the michael wolff book are not true. wolff never asked president trump about them. if he had he would have refuted them. fake news. >> well, actually, curiously in this book knowing that i would have to go through this because this is what trump always said, i supplied a list of virtually hundreds of the details in this book, just listed them. sent this to the president's office. and they sent it back. they were very diligent. they went accurate, accurate, accurate. and in some cases they added new details. in some cases they disputed them, and i was very careful. do i have two sources on this?
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now, this spokeswoman who's a new spokeswoman, she doesn't -- it's just literally the president who will say anything. that is to say the election was stolen, speaking of the big lie. he will give the little lie to this poor woman who then has to go out and say this stuff. >> i want to talk to you more about the former president's current life with mar-a-lago and more. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, i'll have more with michael wolff. he describes the president and his life at mar-a-lago almost being looked at as a zoo animal perhaps like a, quote, newly married couple. later president biden's thoughts on those texas democratic lawmakers who fled the state to block voting legislation. they do not have the votes to defeat. beto o'rourke joins us for that. we'll be right back. me? absolut sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.
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defeated president's anger at his election challenges specifically directed at justice brett kavanaugh. michael writes there were so many others i could have appointed -- the president saying there are so many others i could have appointed. and everyone wanted me to. where would he be without me, meaning kavanaugh. i saved his life. he wouldn't even be in a law firm. who would have had him? nobody. totally disgraced, only i saved him. back with michael wolff. first of all that he's calling the guy he nominated to be on the supreme court totally disgraced, i mean it's fascinating. >> well, it's just that he lives in a quid pro quo world. and he put him on -- not only did he put him on the court which would have been enough. if i put you on the court you should be loyal to me. >> you're my guy. just like sessions was supposed to be his attorney general. >> exactly. but here's a guy who he felt he rescued. because he got into trouble, he saved him. so double. he couldn't believe that at the
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end of the day the justice kavanaugh didn't say you won the election. >> you write about his life down in mar-a-lago, and i want to read that out. you said, "trump has his dinner here most evenings. he appears just as the patio has filled at which point everyone stands and applauds. often when melania is here they eat alone at a roped-off table in the center looked at somewhat like zoo animals. no, no, that's not right. they're like a newly married couple. every night there's a wedding at which they spend their dinner greeting friends and well wishers." what was also fascinating you say that trump conducts most of his business in the lobby so he will be seen. >> there's a whole set of odd things. the oddest thing is he lives in the middle of a country club. he's sort of the only resident of a country club and it's sort of this old-fashioned kind of country club with posterboards saying prime rib night or italian night with accordion player or my favorite, asian night.
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and then in the middle of this -- you go into mar-a-lago and there's this big room with sort of hunting lodge or, you know, renaissance palazzo, there's kind of a lot of design themes in violent conflict here. and trump sits in the middle. and he's at these series of couches, and this is where all day long republicans from across the country come to kiss the ring. now, if you're a mar-a-lago member you can see this, you can sit in, you can hear this. >> fascinating. >> it's all on show. >> that's -- that's really -- >> the weirdest thing in the whole world. i mean, when i was -- so i was sort of brought in there and he's sitting with i think the senator from kansas, his name i can't remember. and i'm at another couch but obviously i can hear everything.
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and at one point one of his young aides is looking over at me and looking over at me and he gets up and he comes over. and he says -- he says, "you know, i remember when you sat on the couch in the west wing for fire and fury and i can't believe we're going to do this again." and then he takes me out to have a drink at the bar. >> based on your conversations do you think he'll run again or do you think he'll -- will he just talk about it and hang it over everyone's head and then make a dramatic decision one way or another? >> i think it is the thing you cannot predict what trump is going to do because there is no plan. there is no strategy. it just will happen in the moment. is it possible that at some big rally he thinks he's going to, you know, get a big response by saying he's going to run for president again and that's the decision? yeah, quite perfectly possible. >> michael wolff, thank you so
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much. the book's "landslide." >> appreciate it. with texas democratic lawmakers fleeing the state to block action on restrictive new voting measures president biden weighs in. so does former presidential candidate beto o'rourke who joins us next. ♪ ♪ oh, son of a poppyseed! ah, there's no place like panera. enjoy the cool, refreshing strawberry poppyseed salad. panera. order on the app today. pssst! who loves... haribo goldbears. me! this one has juiciness like a strawberry. squishy and delicious. the goldbear is like karate dude. - flippin' around. - shaboom! ♪ kids and grownups love it so. ♪ ♪ the happy world of haribo. ♪
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trying to prevent republicans from what they say is a broad bill restricting voting across the state. today vice president harris welcomed those texas democrats to washington declaring they had shown, quote, the courage, commitment and patriotism with their actions. as for the president in that philadelphia speech he also took a swipe at texas republicans. >> in texas, for example, republican-led state legislature wants to allow partisan poll watchers to intimidate voters and imperil impartial poll workers. they want voters to dive further and be able to be in a position where they wonder who's watching them and intimidating them, to wait longer to vote, to drive a hell of a lot -- excuse me, a long way to get to vote. they want to make it so hard and inconvenient that they hope people don't vote at all. >> former congressman and presidential candidate beto o'rourke has criticized those restrictions, joins me now. congressman, thanks for being with us. you tweeted president biden and
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u.s. senate democrats must show the same urgency and courage in fighting the threat to texas voting rights that texas democrats are showing. you certainly know the push back texas democrats, they're in the minority at the statehouse. the voters have spoken in texas, and republicans are saying they're abusing the legislative process by fleeing the state. can democracy work if one side just leaves to prevent a vote? >> it's really extraordinary, the courage that they have shown because as you know, anderson, not only have they left the state but they've left their families, their kids, their homes, their jobs, their source of income. and we learned today when they return to the state they face arrest for having the courage of their convictions. and though they're in the political minority, they've been able to galvanize the conscience of this country, get us focused on this issue of voting rights, which the president today put in the most dramatic, starkest terms possible, the greatest attack on american democracy since the civil war. and i think it is those texas
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statehouse democrats and texas statehouse senators now who are in d.c., who are going to help us focus on this and get the job done at the end of the day. because if we don't, if we don't pass the for the people act as the president called for today, then we will lose what lincoln called the last best hope of earth. and this hope we have now is coming from texas. so i'm really grateful for what they're doing. >> i talked to one of the leaders from texas last night who had just arrived at dulles airport, and essentially what he said they hoped to do was to focus the attention of members of congress to get federal action to get, you know, a vote in the senate. but as you know there are not enough votes to get a democratic sponsored voting rights bill passed in the senate. nor are there enough votes to eliminate the filibuster. so all of this talk about how texas legislators are depending
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on federal lawmakers to save the day, in what scenario is that actually likely? >> you know, in 1964, in the beginning of 1965 there were not enough votes to pass the voting rights act. and allegedly president johnson told dr. king and andrew young, he just didn't have the power to compel congress to pass something especially if he was asking for votes from those members of congress in the deep south, in texas and georgia and mississippi. and yet because of the courage shown by everyday americans including a 24-year-old john lewis crossing the edmund pettus bridge in 1965, they were able to find the presence of power to get the job down. so, anderson, i believe we do have the votes. we have 51 votes in the united states senate. and if those democratic senators will take a page out of the book of those democratic statehouse members from texas, who though they're in the political minority were able to stop voter suppression legislation, then they'll be able to summon the courage and political will necessary to amend the
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filibuster. not abolish it but change it as it has been changed before to allow the passage of election law matters or voting rights matters and pass the for the people act. so this is impossible until it gets done. and i think these texas statehouse democrats just made it a little more possible by their display of courage yesterday. and i hope they will stay the distance in d.c. and continue to make the case to the president who i think has more to do on this as well as those members of the senate who have the votes necessary to save american democracy at this moment of crisis. >> if democrats in the senate somehow are able to eliminate the filibuster, joe manchin and others go along, do you worry about the precedent that sets the next time republicans are in the majority? what do you do when they start to push their agenda through via a simple majority? >> i think that's a legitimate concern, an argument that those who want to preserve the
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filibuster make. but if we're honest with ourselves, if mitch mcconnell becomes the majority leader in the senate at some point in the future, it's hard to believe that if democrats haven't already changed the rules of the filibuster, that he will desist from doing so. he might say, look, democrats bluff. they came perilously close to doing this. now that we have power we must do it before democrats get power and do it again the next time. it's going to happen at some point sooner or later. i would rather it be on the watch of those who believe in democracy and would safeguard the right to vote by using this change in the filibuster to pass voting rights legislation. there's nothing more american and nonpartisan than making sure that every eligible one of us has a chance to cast our vote, have that vote counted and our voice heard. that's really all that senate democrats were being asked to do at this point. it's not a lot to ask. in the context of what the president said today is the greatest attack on our democracy. if in fact it is the greatest
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attack we must meet it with the urgency it demands. >> beto o'rourke, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you so much. next up, the fallout in tennessee after the state's top immunization official says she was fired because of vaccine misinformation and politicians who believe it. we'll have a report and the reaction coming up. my auntie called me. she said uncle's had a heart attack. i needed him to be here. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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in tennessee tonight a blistering statement from the state's top immunization doctor says she was fired after getting into a dispute with her bosses about whether to vaccinate children against covid-19. she said she wrote a memo that cited tennessee supreme court law suggesting some teens could get vaccinated against covid-19 without their parents' permission. after her dismissal dr. michelle fiscus issued a lengthy statement. in part she said, quote, each of us should be waking up every morning with one question of our minds. what can i do to protect the people of tennessee against covid-19?" instead she goes on to say, "our leaders are putting barriers in place to ensure the people of tennessee remain at risk even with the delta variant bearing down upon us." later she added this. "i've been terminated for doing my job because some of the politicians have bought into the
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anti-vaccine misinformation campaign rather than taking the time to speak with the medical experts. they believe what they choose to believe rather than what is factual and evidence based. and it is the people of tennessee who will suffer the consequences of the actions of the very people they put into power." cnn's martin savidge has been following this. he's joining me now. what more do you know about this? because i read her statement and she essentially said she was just stating what tennessee law is and it's been misrepresented and taken up by a lot of local politicians. >> right. and this is the amazing thing. this has been medical doctrine in the state of tennessee, this memo she reiterates, it's been in the state for over 30 years and had been upheld by the tennessee supreme court. it's referred to as the mature minor doctrine. and here is essentially what it says. it says minors ages 14 to 17 are able to receive medical care in the state of tennessee without parental consent. that includes vaccinations. again, it had been doctrine in the state for 30-plus years.
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she was just reminding the medical community in her statement, in that memo this practice exists. well, somebody didn't like that and they posted her memo online and the backlash from the anti-vaxers and especially from republican legislative representatives in the state began pouring in. and what they were essentially saying is that look, you're usurping parental authority here when it comes to vaccinations. she again pointed out this is the way we've done things for 30 years in this state. she was fired. but worse than being fired, she says, there is now memos being circulated within the tennessee department of public health that is actually pulling back that department of health from encouraging or even informing young people about vaccinations. and not just the coronavirus vaccination but all vaccinations. here's more of what dr. fiscus has to say. >> and what really concerns me is that in order to appease the legislators that were upset
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about this memo our leadership at the department of health has instructed the department of health to no longer do outreach around immunizations for children of any kind. >> this could have an impact for years to come on the health of the state of tennessee. and remember, the vaccination rate in the state of tennessee is already very low, 38%. and two neighbors next to it, of course, are arkansas and missouri. and they're seeing a huge spike in the delta variant. this doctor was merely trying to protect the people of her state from that variant and coronavirus. she says she was fired for it. >> and as you pointed out it's not like she was going outside kindergarten classes screaming "i've got the vaccine, kids come and get it." the memo she wrote was to doctors and health officials reminding them about as you said was the law approved by the state's supreme court more than 30 years ago. it's fascinating. we'll continue to follow it.
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marty satisfy sij, we appreciate it. want to get perspective from dr. peter hotez, the codirector from the center of vaccine development at the texas children's hospital, and dean at the national school of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. dr. hotez is also the author of "preventing the next pandemic: vaccine diplomacy in a time of anti-science." dr. hotez, as a pediatrician who works on vaccine development, what do you make of what's happening in tennessee? the state's top vaccine doctor fired, she says, for just doing her job. and now other state officials saying, you know, don't start preplanning for flu inoculations in schools like we normally do, the hpv vaccine, don't do anything about that. >> yeah, basically what they're trying to do is shut down the whole tennessee vaccination program. and it's a disaster for the families of tennessee especially now for covid-19. anderson, right now tennessee ranks near the bottom in terms of vaccinating adolescents 12 to 17-year-olds, 20% as opposed to
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up to close to 70% in some of the northeastern states. so what we've got -- and now because of this shutdown in advocacy and outreach, what that means is that 20% number's going to more or less stall. it's not going to go up appreciably as delta accelerates and as you pointed out it's already in missouri and arkansas. it's now marching into tennessee. what you'll now have at the start of the school year are thousands and thousands of adolescents unnecessarily getting sick with covid-19, and now we're learning more and more about the consequences. one of the things the political right does is always point out that the death rate from covid-19 among adolescents is relatively low. and that's true. but what they don't -- what they omit is the fact that we'll still see lots of adolescents get hospitalized like we're already seeing in mississippi, number one. number two is the fact that 10% to 30% will get long haul covid, or what's called p.a.s.c. and now we're learning about the neurologic consequences of long haul covid.
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a new paper's just come out from the group at oxford university. the neuroscience center there. and what they've shown is that a high -- a significant percentage will actually develop gray matter, brain degeneration as a consequence of long haul covid with an uncertain recovery time. and that's important for memory, for cognitive performance. and so what you're doing is you're condemning a whole generation of adolescents to neurologic injury totally unnecessarily. >> let me ask you, i just anecdotally heard of a couple of people who i know who have tested -- who got vaccinated but have tested positive with the delta variant. does that mean that even if their cases are mild, they have a very strong possibility of getting the long haul covid, of having long haul symptoms? >> you know, that's a great question. i'm asked that quite a bit now. and the answer is i don't think we really understand whether breakthrough covid in a vaccinated individual is the same in someone who's not been
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infected before. and that's something that, unfortunately, we'll start to find out with delta accelerating. so the number of breakthrough cases will be modest, but it's something we'll have to follow. but no question about it that if we could vaccinate we'd not only prevent neurologic injury in those adolescents in tennessee but it has an added benefit, anderson. and that is if you can vaccinate all of the adults and all of the adolescents, we know we can slow or halt transmission of covid-19. and that's what's going to happen in massachusetts and vermont and maybe parts of the west coast and elsewhere in the northeast. it's what's not going to happen in tennessee and missouri, arkansas and now it's marching into the deep south. so transmission will continue to accelerate. and what we'll see, and the ones who will also pay the price other than the unvaccinated adolescents are the little kids who depend on the adults and adolescents to get vaccinated in order to slow or halt transmission.
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so it's absolutely heartbreaking and beyond frustrating for a vaccine scientist like myself to see this happen. >> would you still wear a mask indoors? z zblm. >> you know, it depends. it depends on where you are. if you're in the northeast, west coast where you may successfully slow or halt transmission, it may not be necessary. but if i were indoors in places like mississippi, louisiana, tennessee, arkansas, missouri right now, now going into northern florida, yeah, you might still want to do that if the force of infection because of that high delta low vaccination rate continues. >> dr. peter hotez, i appreciate it. thank you. just ahead another american arrested in connection to the assassination of haiti's president. we'll have a live report on the investigation when we come back. do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep? qunol sleep formula combines
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oroweat small slice. i wonder if this has the same quality ingredients as the original whole grains bread? great question, dad. and it does. it has all the same nutritious deliciousness as the original slice but only a little bit smaller. just like timmy here. my name's lucas. multiple sources citing police information tell cnn that a man haitian authorities arrest in the connection to the assassination of the president is now the third american taken and custody. the 63-year-old reportedly that has ties in florida as well as in haiti, and as authorities there announce a growing list of suspects, ten just today, we are also learning more about the growing number of florida connections to this plot, plus alleged connections to u.s. law
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enforcement agencies, something we reported on the broadcast last night. matt rivers has the details. >> reporter: this site has been sealed by the port-au-prince magistrate, reads the note on the door of the medical ngo, the compound where authorities say christian manuel sanon, an american, helped orchestrate the assassination of haiti's president. when police cars arrived to arrest him, they found him across the street from the ngo. along with ammunition. authorities say he helped recruit and organize the 26 colombians and two americans that carried out the killing. we've spoken to several neighbors who tell us the amount of activity at this compound started to increase, and interestingly they say they saw men going from that compound to this one where sanon was. they say they were muscular like
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body guards with camouflage pants. there's no way to know for sure if they were these suspects. that he's claiming to never met. he's arguing he's innocent according to a source directly involved with the organization. cnn spoke to that source over the phone and agreed to hide his identity. sanon says he doesn't know anything about the assassination. he says he didn't know the ammunition was in the house. he says he's a pastor and has been in the country for a month. this is what he's said since the first day. sanon appears to split his time between south florida and haiti and has been involved for years in medical charity work. he's also been a long time critic of the haitian government saying this in a youtube video from 2011. >> where is the leadership from haiti? nowhere to be found. you know why? because they're corrupt. >> reporter: allegedly not the only american playing a role.
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two more americans, seen here, have been detain in the haiti as suspects and cnn is also reporting that several other suspects in the assassination have direct ties to u.s. law enforcement as informants. the dea confirmed at least one of them worked for them in the past as an informant. >> dea operations. >> everybody back up, stand down! >> the night of the operation, you can hear a suspect shout he was working for the dea, though u.s. officials repeatedly said that was a lie. the u.s. doesn't just have connections to the crime, but its aftermath. haitians have been showing up at the u.s. embassy in port-au-prince asking for visas. some are desperate to leave an island where poverty, violence, and corruption are chronic. the assassination, just the final straw. >> matt rivers joins us now from haiti. what are haitian police saying about other possible suspects as well as the alleged florida connection? >> reporter: anderson, up until
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this afternoon, no haitian national had been listed as a suspect in this assassination. it was only foreign nationals. that changed when we got word from a government source here in port-au-prince saying ten haitian nationals, citizens of haiti have been added to the list. they are actively searching for the suspects, bringing the overall number of suspects to 39 in this case. of those ten suspects three were named publicly by haitian authorities, charged with murder, attempted murder, and armed robbery, including, anderson, a former senator here in haiti. the takeaway being, this investigation, far from over. >> matt rivers, appreciate it. thanks. next, the outpouring of support for protesters in cuba. everyone as we learn the demonstrations now claimed a life.
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