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occurred on monday. the other development, protesters in miami blocked traffic on a big highway showing solidarity for recent protests in cuba. the palmetto expressway remains closed in an area of south florida with a heavy population of cuban americans. the protests sunday were the largest in decades as cuba battles economic crisis, sanctions, and covid. 100 now arrested or missing. cuba's government enacted an internet blackout. let's hand it to chris for cuomo primetime. >> we have the tennessee medical official saying she was fired and why she believes this happened and what her real concern is for her state. doesn't have to do with just covid, but other immunizations are being discouraged. thank you for starting the ball on that. we'll pick up the ball you no. anderson, appreciate you. ooichl -- i'm chris cuomo.

welcome to "prime time." don't miss president biden in terms of what this really means. i know the headlines are, he came out strong about voting rights. his talking about voting rights, the way he did it and the way he defined it, it's not just another layer of rhetoric. he has just defined the biggest test for his presidency since the initial role of getting the vaccine out when he first came into power. in calling the wave of the state voting laws that are upon us the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war, she's he's created a bar for himself. listen to what he's said. >> the big lie is just that -- a big lie. in america, if you lose, you accept the results. you don't call facts fake and then try to bring down the american experiment just because you're unhappy. this is election subversion. are you on the side of truth or lies? fact or fiction? i'll be asking my republican

friends in congress, states and cities and counties to stand up, for god's sake, and help prevent this concerted effort to undermine our election and the sacred right to vote. have you no shame? >> no. they have no shame. and the president should know that. the question is, can he get it done? again, we know there is no shame in their game. we know that they know it is a lie. we know that the big lie was cooked up weeks before the election. trump had been feeding it to you for weeks as a suggestion. now we know on election night, as trump was losing, they were already figuring out how to fulfill the false prophesy. two "washington post" reporters right in the book "i alone can fix it," that giuliani was telling other guests at the white house -- ready for this? -- he had come up with a

strategy for trump and was trying to get into the president's private quarters to tell him about it. some people thought giuliani may have been drinking too much. steppian, meadows and miller, jason miller, took giuliani down to a room just off the map room in the white house to hear him out. giuliani went state by state. what's happening in michigan, he asked? they said it was too early to tell. votes were still being counted. just say we won, giuliani told them. same thing in pennsylvania. just say we won pennsylvania. so, look, we know trump and co. were all in on the lie from jump. here's what we don't know. here's what the current president just made the bar -- can biden pass what he calls the test of our time? can he stop the wave of

restrictive laws? the gop has already enacted 28 new laws in 17 states. they remove, reduce, and restrict what was allowed in this past election. why? why else but to suppress the amount of turnout that we just had in this election, particularly the black vote. there are also restrictive bills waiting for action in 48 states. look, we know there is no proof of fraud. you saw the cpac guy here imagining there were all these signatures, they didn't follow the law. they looked at the ballots, as i said during the interview. just because you let somebody give their argument, doesn't mean you're not going to check it. that's called dialogue, okay? in debate he said they didn't check every box. that's not fraud even if they didn't check every box, and when they looked to see if the

signatures were real, they found almost none, and then they worked them out, and that was done by republicans. the texas governor, a republican, said he saw no proof that there was any fraud in his state's elections, but now he's pushing laws that fix what wasn't broken. even mitch mcconnell told you there was nothing to fix. >> there's nothing broken around the country. the system upheld very well during tense stress. >> now, question for him is, on this and on vaccines, we have the exact right person to ask tonight. why doesn't mcconnell, if he believes those things, why doesn't he speak out about people who are saying the opposite and wantingly lying in his own party? what kind of leader is he? we're going to ask somebody who should know the answer in just a

moment, but first, think about what biden did today. he warned you -- prepare now for republican attacks on the midterms next year. but that's not the bar for him. we know that's going to happen. what is he going to do about it? can he get all democrats on board to stop the laws that will almost certainly reduce democrat chances in the states that pass the same? the stakes are clear -- as is the democrat desperation. right now dozens of state lawmakers are risking arrest, fleeing to d.c. from texas to shine a light on the voting rights fight. risk is real. what can biden do about it if it is the test of his time? reaction to what seems to be the most toxic tank i've ever seen from what was the grand old party. let's go inside and then outside. scott jennings, former campaign aide to mitch mcconnell, former special assistant to george w. bush. good to see you.

hope the family's well. >> thank you, chris. good evening. >> so, let's start first with just where your head and heart are. how do you feel about what's been going on at cpac? what's happening with vaccinations and election fraud as really mainstays of trump party politics heading into the midterms? >> well, i'll just start with the vaccines. i'm sort of perplexed by some of the people who are, you know, trying to cast doubt on the need for the vaccines. some of the people doing that purport to be donald trump's biggest supporters. if you look back at the trump presidency, it's hard to imagine a bigger triumph of the four years than operation warp speed that led to the vaccine, so i'm flummoxed by the idea of people who say they support donald trump and what he's accomplished would throw water on what his administration brought forth. i think that's what senator mcconnell was getting at that some republicans who say they

support trump don't support his greatest accomplishment. >> first trump, then we'll go to mcconnell. why do you think the former president wasn't all about selling the vaccine? he barely told people he took and it that his family had it. how do you understand that as a republican that this was his signature achievement when it came to a pandemic, that he denied, and then he doesn't sell it? >> yeah, well, he obviously was occupied by other things, chiefly his view he was the winner of the election, when you and i both know he wasn't. he's been preoccupied with that. that's all he talks about. he had a number of good things he could have sold during the election, during the campaign, and in the aftermath of the election about how good of a job he did on the vaccine, on the economy -- whatever you wanted to talk about, but he got solely focused on the idea of election fraud, and that's what he talks about every day. because the party has no platform and because he remains

the most popular person in the party, that's the main animating issue of the party right now, and that's unfortunate for us, i think, moving forward. >> let's talk about how you deal with that popularity. mcconnell says on vaccinations -- people should know he's a polio survivor, and that's why he's sensitive about vaccines. it's discouraging so many people remain unvaccinated. it's pretty clear if you get the disease you're more likely to survive it if you get vaccinated. i think we need to keep preaching that. and get people to understand the importance. here's the problem -- he's the leader in the senate, and his own members are crushing the vaccine, are questioning it. rubio, paul, others. mcconnell says nothing about that. why is that okay? >> well, i mean, he says every single day and has, you know, for months on end that people

should get vaccinated, he's been vaccinated, everyone should get vaccinated. >> that's different. >> i've personally talked to him about it. >> that's different. >> so i disagree with our assessment. >> that's not my assessment. it's not that he says get vaccinated. it's that he says nothing about the people undermining the vaccine without basis. that's what i'm talking about. he does the same thing with the big lie. he says, there wasn't any election fraud. it is what it is. he doesn't say anything about the fact that his party is overrun with people questioning the election. what kind of leadership is that? it's not enough to say get vaccinated. you have to say, this guy's lying to you. it's not enough to say the election was good. it's, these people are lying to you. isn't that the bar? >> i mean, chris, i think mitch mcconnell's been very clear how he feels about the election. number one, that joe biden won and is the legitimate president and number two, they he doesn't agree with the federalizing of the national election system. it's possible the hold both

views and that's the view he holds. there was not enough fraud or no fraud sufficient to overturn the election as donald trump argues. but at the same time it's his view that we don't have to federalize the election system. it's a pretty clear position, and he's made that position very well known every single day. now, he can't control the statements of everybody in his conference, but i think his position has been well known and well stated and he has never wavered from it one day. >> but these guys police each other all the time when they want to. if people said, i don't think we need a tax cut, in 2016, 2017, he would have said things to them privately and publicly. i don't agree with that. i don't think it's a big deal. not with these two things. my point is -- not to malign mcconnell, i just think he's a player in the game. it's the game i hate. what i'm saying is how comfortable are you as a republican that really the main thrust where you guys are coming from based on cpac and your big

names is the election was stolen and we have to make sure it never happens again. are you comfortable with that and what it might lead to? >> i'm not comfortable with the idea that we're going to run the 2022 and 2024 elections with the platform basically of relitigating 2020. i mean, i don't think that's going to win us back the white house. essentially -- i mean, i'm a little dubious this issue is going to be as big a deal in '22, but in '24 we're going to go back to the american people and say, return us to the biggest office in the country and give us that responsibility. if we expect people to did that, they're going to expect us to tell them the truth about what happened the last time we had that power. the last time we had it, donald trump, of course, helped incite a mob on january 6th over a bunch of lies about what happened in the 2020 election. party has to have a platform.

it has to have a series of issues and it has to have an argument about why we would be better than biden or harris or whoever the democrats nominate, and simply going back to them and saying, our whole reason for being is to tell you that donald trump was right, and january 6th was fine, that's not going to cut it. we're not going to win a national election on that. i'm uncomfortable if that's our platform. i'm comfortable with issues exist to try to get there, but i think there's a big struggle in the party, and we're going to see some of this litigated in the upcoming election. are we going to be a party of policy and ideas or a party of looking back on an election we didn't win but was close enough and we could go back to try to win in the future. >> i hope you're right about there being a battle. i don't like the two-party system. i think we need more stakeholders but we absolutely need an intelligent check on one side and then the other. an intelligent check if we're going to be stuck with two parties and we do not have that right now. scott jennings, thank you for being with me. appreciate you.

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and it's coming at the same time that more and more americans describe the crime problem as either extremely or very serious, and it was just a week ago that in new york city we crowned the democratic primary winner in eric adams who ran very hard on the crime issue, so we saw it penetrated in a democratic primary. i think the gop is probably going to run on this issue. we know murders are up, shootings are up. this is one of biden's weakest issues and one of the gop's strongest issues. >> that early pushback of not all crimes are actually up, it's actually still okay if you look at it year over year didn't work. people think it's bad. the shootings are really the metric that resonates. what isn't working? >> covid-19. this is one of biden's strongest issues. already two-thirds of american adults gotten one dose. approval rating, 62%. so when i say people at cpac saying, we're going to stop them.

we don't want people infiltrating coming into our houses. most are sold on the vaccine. most of them have got it. that would be an awful issue for republicans to run on. frankly i don't get it. i think it's an illustration of the base run amok and not being in the touch with the center of the electorate. >> that anti-vax thing may not pay off. >> awful! and the big thing, first, it's usually third, the economy. >> i think this will be what decides the midterm. look at biden. it's 50%. it's very close to what we saw was the final result the last election. he's equaling last time, his percentage of the vote, and we see the economy is climbing in terms of the nation's most important problem, right now just squeaking out poor leadership.

but the most important problem in the country, especially as we're getting out of the pandemic and we have seen this uneven recovery. if biden is more approved than disapproved it could be good for democrats. the he's disapproved more than approved that could be good for republicans. i think it's the break-even issue. >> as is always true, but specifically with the economy, it's about what the narrative is. what does the economy mean? how is it explained? is it infrastructure, is it how it came back? as we saw with obama when he inherited the 2008, 2009 problems? who tells the better story? very important. harry enten, thank you for giving us the numbers. next guest has a warning for democrats in 2022. wake up on the culture issue that could beat you. yes, wokeness. you don't have to listen to james carville, but you ignore him at your own peril. he knows people. he knows what made democrats the party of people, and more importantly, he knows what

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the same party wrapped in the mantel of defunding the police is on the verge of electing a former cop mayor in new york. you know what that's called? an adjustment. that's in addition to the law enforcement background of

another democratic mayor in chicago. you know why? crime's a problem, especially in cities, and both of these cities are seeing a surge in homicides compared to prepandemic levels. i know other crime metrics on the on the rise in the same way, but people killing people, people using guns in the commission of crimes matters more. cops on the street say liberal reforms are making it harder to keep people safe. let's talk about the threat of wokeness to democrats with james carville. james, i'll give you one break in the hate parade and then we'll get into the wokeness. the first macro issue is how long -- biden through down the gauntlet, as we say, today. these voting reforms are the worst thing since the civil war. this is the test of our time. now he's got to pass it. the only way he passes it is if, one, the 1% to 5% chance he gets republicans to sign on to voting

reform at the federal level. the other way is he gets manchin and sinema in line. do you think he can get it done? >> i hope so, and i would point out the guest, mcconnell's guy said they want to federalize elections. the constitution is explicit in its grant of power, so i don't think this is any doubt this is a constitutionally correct bill that we have, and look, it's going to be hard. senators manchin and sinema, that's the only way they're going to be able to do it, that i can see, and i hope they do, because if they keep passing restrictive laws we're going to lose faith in our democracy, which is not good for anybody. >> i didn't push anymore on the constitutional issue because it's about how, and there were provisions in the bills where you would have federal oversight in a way that would be heavy handed. didn't have to be that way, but your point is accepted. now you get to the main

battleground, which is how you get more people in the fold. you point out, biden did better in the suburbs than clinton, but not the cities. why? what does it point to? >> people we saw in new york, people want candidates to address their lives. biden did a little worse, but he did bet we are suburban women, veterans. to your point, we did lose traction with black voters and hispanic voters, and i think part of that is we got identified by the defund the police and language police, and that's not who biden is. biden doesn't know who wokeness is. you couldn't explain it to him. i think the democratic party, encouraging what we saw in new york, encouraging results in the virginia primary, very encouraged by what happened in louisiana. look, this whole noisy identity left is 15% of the democratic

party. two-thirds of their party are these loony -- agree with the loony insurrectionists. yet he pay such a terrible political price for such a slightly more than fringe element of our party where they don't pay near the price for just totally goofy, not even on this planet part of their party. so we have to be more effective and determined in our communications. >> can democrats own crime when your opponents will point to bail reform and how it was done and judicial discretion and that that is an aspect of keeping people on the street even when they do bad things with guns and that could be part of the problem? >> i don't see why we shouldn't -- starting when president clinton took office up until the third year of the trump administration, crime and violent crime in this country had gone down precipitously. the only thing it changed -- cities were always run by democrats -- was the trump presidency, who was a lawless

president, promoted lawlessness -- >> what about the liberal reforms? a lot of this is going to hang on their shoulders. >> i'm not a criminologist, but under obama and clinton we had precipitous drops in violent crime in this country. and, you know, some of these things are going to have to be looked at, but the idea i think we're going to defund the police and not support the police was put to rest in new york city. remember, this was a new york democratic primary. so there's a lot of blame to go around, but biden can get his numbers up from 38%, because, you know, he was instrumental in helping reduce -- >> but remember, eric adams is a former cop who went against the democratic mentality of letting everybody out of prison. part of it was covid, but a lot of it wasn't. it was bail reform. some of it was good. some of it was overreach. he campaigned against it. >> chris, that's 15% to 20% of the democratic party.

okay? the overwhelming number of democrats, most important constituents are blacks and suburban women. they're not into this, right? and we're seeing it time and time again. we're letting a noisy wing of our party define the rest of us. and my point is, we can't do that. i think these people are kind of nice people. i think they're naive and all into language and identity, and that's all right. they're not storming the capitol, but they're not winning elections. i think people ought to see this for what it is. people are way more interested in their lives and how to improve it than somebody else's pronoun. so i agree that it's a problem, but it shouldn't be as big a problem as it is because they're nowhere near as big in the democratic party as the fringes are in the republican party. that's something we got to drive home. >> james carville, you're always value added. appreciate you.

>> thank you, chris. appreciate you too. it was an important conversation we had. >> we'll keep having it. >> yes, sir. tennessee -- why does tennessee matter? because they came out of the box hot on vaccinations. they had it together. they were doing well. then the poison politics started. now they have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country. covid cases are on the rise there again. one goes with the other. all right? you never hear anybody saying they have this unbelievable vax vaccination rate and unbelievable case rate. tennessee's top health official says she was fired not because of numbers but for trying to turn them around. she says she went against the predominant political vent. it cost her her job, but she is way more worried about what it's going cost the people in her state. how so? next. had the heart attack. he's the most important thing in my life.

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obtained documents that prove that republican state lawmakers, because of the poison politics, they're not just chilling outreach about the covid vaccine, they are chilling outreach to minors about all vaccines. hpv, immunizations, mainstream ones. why? because that's how far they're willing to go. the story of this pandemic on the right side is deep denial, and we are going to remember for generations how we made ourselves sick. nobody else did what we've done in america. we had a cure faster than just about everybody. not a cure, but a vaccine, and we made ourselves sick. we lied to ourselves about the pandemic. our leaders called it a hoax. it was trump, but it was more than trump. and now we have to big case and point, tennessee. monday, the top vaccine official said she was fired after she

sent a memo about a law that already existed, it's called the mature minor policy, which is where it allows doctors to determine if teenagers, even if they're not right at the age of majority, that they can still be treated as long as the doctor beliefs they're mature enough to understand their health-care decisions. so they don't need parents' consent. it comes amid a larger effort to halt vaccine outreach for all diseases. think about that. why? dr. michelle fiscus joins you now to tell her story. thank you for taking the opportunity, doctor. appreciate it. why do you believe that you were given this hobson's choice -- be terminated or resign over your decision to help kids get the vaccine? >> well, thanks for having me on, chris and taking the time to

shed some light on this story. this is really a symptom of what's going on in public health departments in many states across the country. there are 64 people in my position across states and territories, the united states, and i'm the 25th who's left their position over the course of this pandemic. that's 40% of us that have left either for retirement or because we have been terminated or because we've just simply resigned. and, you know, this in my particular case is about the bowing of the department of health to some saber rattling of our state legislators that felt it was inappropriate to share the mature minor doctrine that has been tennessee supreme court case law since 1987, as you mentioned, to be able to allow minors ages 14 and older to consent for their own medical care if their provider feels it's appropriate.

>> so this started on the covid level, which you believe is derivative of poison politics surrounding covid, yes? >> it is around politics surrounding covid, but it has seeped out to be much more than that, and really i think this was the vehicle for something larger, which is vaccine hesitancy, vaccine denialism, amongst some of our state legislators. >> i don't get it. i get the covid play. that's happening all over the country, even though trump started operation warp speed. you could say it was his signature triumph when it comes to a pandemic he denied that he got the vaccine in in time, and now they're trashing it, so that's a little confusing. but what i don't get is why are they extending in tennessee to say all immunizations? we don't want to you outreach to anybody about any immunizations. do i have that right?

>> you have that right, and actually i was told by some folks within the department just this morning that that includes infant immunizations as well, so it is any kind of outreach around the importance of vaccines for children, around the importance of covid-19 vaccine for adolescents, especially, has been halted, even going so far as to cancel events that are scheduled well into the fall for flu vaccination within schools. and this is -- i think can only be explained as our leadership's attempt to placate these legislators, as she has made it very clear that she has political aspirations to run for governor, senator, or get a white house cabinet appointment, as she explained to the tennesseean newspaper a few weeks ago. >> the front page is that this is all about immunizations.

but i got to be honest with you -- i still don't get it. it's not just about the trump politics of the vaccine being proof about the pandemic and the pandemic is real and they don't want it to be real. you believe that this is part of just some kind of extremism where all vaccines are bad and they don't want anybody to get any vaccines? >> yeah, it's pretty mind boggling. we do have a fairly active anti-vaccine movement here in tennessee. they are well organized. they're well funded. it's an international push for vaccine misinformation and disinformation in the country and in our state, and they have the ear of many of our legislators. when you listen to government op operations committee hearings and you hear playbook phrases coming out of the mouths of our senators and legislators that come straight from the anti-vaccine playbook, you know,

it's pretty clear who they're listening to, and it's not the scientists. they have vanderbilt university, a preeminent research institution in their backyard where they can talk to any vaccine expert and researcher they want to, yet they choose to listen to the facebook memes and disinformation that these anti-vaccine groups are sewing. >> one of my main experts on covid all along has been a vandy -- a vanderbilt professor. now, how is this translating? what are you hearing on the patient level in terms of how these restrictions are feeding into people's misgivings and hesitancy, even if they're not part of some fringe understanding? >> i'm out now, so i haven't heard or seen communications from the public on this. what i know from my colleagues is just the dismay that they have that politics is obstructing the very important work of public health in

tennessee, and this is a nonpartisan issue. public health is nonpartisan. these viruses and bacteria that can wreak havoc with these diseases are nonpartisan. they don't care who you are or who you voted for. and the way to prevent disease is with immunization, and it is -- you know, it is what pediatricians like myself do every day, it's what public health does every day, and to have partisan politics get in the way of doing that work is a disservice largely to people who have decreased access to vaccines, people who visit departments of health and who rely on vaccination services coming to schools to vaccinate their children. these are the people who are hurt by this, and it's unforgivable that people will put their own political aspirations ahead of the good of public health. >> we have to see what this means for the variant, but it goes much broader than that. you have things you immunize for that are way for dangerous than

covid-19 in terms of how fast they spread. one last thing and i'll let you go. what if the state comes out and says, no, we got rid of fiscus because she stunk at this, this, and this. do they have a case against you? >> they may. i think there's a ground swell of support within state government itself. people have been walking on eggshells, afraid of being fired for doing the right thing, and i think those folks will help if that comes to that. but if they decide to try to disparage me that's fine. i'll know it's out of desperation and my concern is for children and people of tennessee who i was hired to protect and serve. >> dr. michelle fiscus. thank you very much. i'm sorry we got introduced this way, but it's the job to give

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who helps someone get an abortion. even in a year, when we're seeing a record number of laws restricting reproductive health, this texas law stands out. not necessarily because of how restrictive it is. it doesn't even really provide a platform to sue someone getting an abortion. a dozen states set the same time for a woman to have an abortion at six weeks or sooner. so far all have been blocked in the courts. but this law was specifically designed to get around those exact legal challenges. if this law goes into effect in september, it won't be the state enforcing the law. see, that's the genius of this. instead, people will be empowered by statute to sue anyone who helps a woman get an abortion. there's even a $10,000 reward if their court challenge is successful. the power isn't limited to people in texas, meaning

anti-abortion groups around the nation can unleash a flood of lawsuits against anyone helping women in need. the law so broadly defines help it could include a pastor counseling a woman with an unwanted pregnancy or someone giving a woman in need a loan, even someone giving a woman a ride to the clinic. amy hagstrom miller, ceo of a group operating four clinics in texas, one of the 20 companies that people are fighting this -- people fighting this in court. amy, thank you for coming to "prime time." >> thank you so much for having me. i appreciate it. >> so, this is clever. how do they get around in the law the problem of standing? which in the law means you get to sue me because something has been done wrong to you. how do they empower groups and

people to sue someone for helping someone exercise their reproductive rights if nothing bad has been done to the person suing? >> right, that's a great question. basically senate bill 8 is trying to forge a path for new law, right? it's not the same kind of law we have heard about in the past where a law gets passed, it restricts people's access to abortion. we can sue whoever's in charge of enforcing the law, at toernlg or whoever, block the law with an injunction and stay the law while we're litigating, arguing the case. by putting random people, anybody on a sidewalk, an anti-abortion protester, somebody in kansas who decides they don't want somebody in texas to have an abortion, anybody can bring a lawsuit accusing somebody of performing an abortion that's illegal by this definition, so over six weeks into a pregnancy, or they frame it as aiding and abetting. so already using criminal language and a criminal framework. somebody who helps somebody that

they know or love get access to safe abortion in texas. it's unprecedented. >> this is an interesting strategy. it is unprecedented. they will say we're not restricting access at all, actually, except the six-week part. and even if you were to strike it and put it back to 24 weeks, as in the amicus brief in roe v. wade, the other restrictions would still apply and could have a chilling effect. how high are the stakes? >> so the chilling effect is profound. we have staff at our clinics already hearing from patients who are in the clinic, made an appointment, there for counseling and ultrasound and asking already if abortion is legal. staff are feeling surveiled, scared. these are people who were on the front lines as essential workers providing access to abortion care services for the last year and a half. and right when they start to come out of the pandemic there's this kind of restriction that's put forward that's not in the interest of health and safety.

it's simply politics. it's extreme. the vast majority of texans don't support this kind of regulation. it's really asking texans to meddle in each other's private lives, asking people to tattle on each other in ways that is just not in the spirit of what we believe in in texas. >> what are legal experts telling you about the survivability about the statute? >> so everybody agrees a six-week ban on abortion is unconstitutional. there's no question there. the strange thing here is the sort of method of enforcement, this private cause of action. we are suing a lot of people today, from every judge and every clerk in the state of texas, the medical board, pharmacy board, et cetera, suing anybody that may have the power to enforce this law or have these cases come into their purview in an attempt to block this from going into effect in the first place. because over 90% of the abortions we provide are over six weeks. this has huge stakes.

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