decided to take a later flight, citing what we're told are scheduling conflicts. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris. >> thank you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. i don't care if you're left or right. be reasonable on this for a second. all right. here it is. if you were told that a president's words and actions worried people around him, that they were saying that he had lost it, and that he had top military brass planning for how the block a coup by president, would your first move after learning this be to go to that same guy and kiss him? today that's what kevin mccarthy did. back on bended knee after all the headlines. with the disgraced leader of his party, meeting with trump at the bed minutester club.

he said i enjoyed meeting with president trump today. we had a productive conversation. weighed constructive conversation, a productive conversation regarding house republicans' record fundraising, upcoming congressional special elections and the latest work being carried out to target vulnerable democrats. okay? here's why i said it slowly. the question isn't over yet about what you would do. and whether what mccarthy is doing sounds sensible. where i grew up, someone who was acting in the ways that mccarthy has, we would call them scrambled eggs. it seemed like their brains had been all mixed up. mccarthy would be said to be scrambled eggs. here's the case. exhibit a. he shouts at trump on january 6th to call off his dogs. a week later, he says this.

>> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. >> he had responsibility. then he gets pressed to hold trump to account and he suggests trump did the right thing. scrambled eggs. today, we get exhibit b. he and the other trumpers raise money on the election fraud farce. and other issues of white fright. but fraud farce for sure. mccarthy then says this. >> joe biden is the president of the united states. he legitimately got elected. >> scrambled eggs. you're raising money saying fraud farce. you don't shut any of those people down when they say it. then you say that? that was 48 hours ago. after rejecting the steal, as he just did. you just heard it. he steals again to visit the

originator of the election fraud farce. to celebrate, now remember, to celebrate the fundraising with trump that is based on the farce that he just debunked by saying, biden won legitimately. scrambled eggs. then he leaves trump and comes back to have dinner with the guy that trump says doesn't belong in the white house. president biden. this is why people don't respect politics and why trump was seen as okay by so many. because they have no basis of respect for a standard. there is no honor. there is no principle other than power for the sake of exploiting the safe. mccarthy, these moments are proof of a problem. and look. he's not the only one with

scrambled eggs. democrats asking him to pick five trumpers for the january 6th panel? that makes as much sense as how trump responded to the coup concerns. this is what he said. so ridiculous. an election is my form. coup. and if i was going to do a coup, one of the last people i would want to do it with is general mark milley. first of all, this part. an election is the opposite of a coup. not a form of one. and if i was going to do a coup? does that sound like something a former president of the united states would say? it's become a viral punch line once again like o.j.'s, if i did it. he did just admit this, after all. >> i got impeached twice. i became worse.

i became worse. >> how have we gotten to the point in this country where conservatives, people my entire life i've met and engaged with, married into, were about integrity, principle, you have to do things right, character counts. all the stuff about clinton back then. you applaud when a guy tells you he got worse after got impeached and that you know contextually he is talking about the kind of talk and inciting rhetoric that led to the infamy of january 6th and you applaud as conservatives? all ten living former defense secretaries, all ten warned against a military coup in an open letter three days before the capitol attack. why does that not resonate with conservatives? arguably the most scrambled eggs thing about all of this is that none of it seems to affect

support for this man from anyone in what was the gop. why and what does it mean? let's turn to the better minds. david gregory and michael smerconish. once and for all, david, can we call the former president the teflon don? it does not matter. what is proonl, let alone said about him. it doesn't shake not just the base with you the party elected. >> it doesn't shake him. i think that trump still exists in a space of crude per verse political theater which he exploited. when you were saying a minute ago that there is no standard, no honor. there is no fluft politicians or institutions of government. he exploited all of that. the modern republicans, led by

mccarthy, they're dancing around. there is no integrity. no grand strategy. they're trying on play indicate trump because he's a money raiser. he can still make a lot of noise and trouble for him. they're not sure if he's coming back or not but he's still enough of an influence over what they care about, raising money and trying to get republicans elected to the house. that's all he's thinking about right now. he's thinking day to day, not really strategic. >> that is the missing piece. when people say to you and me. why do you keep talking about trump all the time? he's gone. no, he isn't. he's the center of the party. if he doesn't run again, we know whoever runs again will have to get his blessing if they want to have a chance. >> if he remains healthy, if he remains sol vent, if he remains

unindicted, if he wants to be the nominee, he will be the nominee. those are three big if's. he has a clear path. if you ask yourself, what changed between when kevin mccarthy said donald trump bears responsibility for the events of january 6th and then today, he makes the trim to bedminutester. it is that the number didn't crater. many republicans expected that would be the case after the 6th but it wasn't. and therefore, they figure they have to hang with him. one other thought. when you flamed the issue at the outset of the program and you said if the highest military officer told you he was worried about a coup, would you still go kiss the ring, there was one additional fact that you should have said maybe. and you want to be the speaker of the house. and all you need to do is pick up a couple of seats and history is on your side that you will pick up a couple seats. that's what really explains him driving up the garden state

parkway today. power for the sake of exploiting. >> i'm not blaming him for doing it. i'm using it as the perversity of politics. he is playing the right game. now, why does this matter? the road ma'am of scrambled eggs that i was playing, it is about the base of misinformation. he's to blame. he did everything okay. there's a fraud farce. biden is elected. they're all over the place. and misinformation is okay. we're now hearing the white house wants to take it on with respect to the pandemic. what does it mean that right after the white house called on social media platforms to combat the spread of misinformation, as i just mentioned, mccarthy and others attacked the approach when they're the ones attacking social media at the same time for their own purposes. what do you make of it?

>> it's dangerous. there is an effort around january 6th to characterize it as something other than what it was. an attack on our government. an attack on our law enforcement. an attack on our democratic process. plain and simple what it was. and leaders like mccarthy wanted to say, well, yeah, i said what i said. let's move on from that and get to the next battle because who really remembers anything anyway. but this business makes government weaker, it makes all institutions weaker. media, business. if you're in a contest, if there is no longer an agreement on what truth is, what facts are, then you have real problems holding people together. and this is the cynical game. the thing about january 6th is, look at all these accounts.

you framed this originally because he went up there to talk about mid-terms and fundraising and a january 6th commission. there are a lot of people talking around trump. never want to talk. a lot of it is to save their own skin and their own legacies. think of lindsey graham who is always appearing in the books as the voice of reason. he always wants to be quoted saying he tried on talk the president back from the cliff. people are talking about what really happened. and how incredibly worried they were, and how unstable trump was. that's happening. and kevin mccarthy can't stop it. >> lindsey graham will not be reynold in history as somebody who was doing the right thing during this period. i will make my bones on that bet. i'm not a betting man. >> they're banking on this. this is probably the most dangerous tool in the political tool box.

even in their statement. the biden administration just announced they're working with facebook to censor more americans. big tech and the government want the same thing to control you, as a recalminder, america is a lachbld freedom. they don't even mention this is only within the context of things are demonstrably false and said to be deceptive. they don't even mention that part. why? >> well, you would think that the truth will all come out eventually when the january 6th commission, whatever it may look like is completed in their task. when i step back and look at all the events you're describing, i see a day where the second installment of the book came out and it focuses on what happened on the night of january 6th. korgt to the account, the president was wooching a flat screen while rome was burning and refused to raise a finger.

the same day that account comes out, you have kevin mccarthy who will select a portion of the jury, if you want to look at the january 6th commission that way, meeting with the chief actor. that is part that is most troublesome. i don't know about if they didn't discuss january 6th or the commission, i find it hard to believe. even if they didn't, mccarthy was in his company. he now comes back to washington and selects, what? five members of the commission who are supposed to go in and be impartial and call the shots? how can that be the case? >> they can't be. and the democrats are once again showing their weakness. they asked for a bipartisan commission. they gave them what they wanted. by all accounts, the republicans can't come up with anything to investigate except black lives matter that they weren't offered as a function of this. they didn't want it to be bipartisan because they wanted to reject it.

they will no interest in the truth and we'll know that by whom they pick. nobody has been quiet over there. it makes no sense. scrambled eggs. david gregory, gotta jump. michael smerconish, thank you as always. misinformation that we were just talking about, is an urgent threat to our nation's health. it is certainly behindering the covid fight. how many people do you know who aren't taking vaccine because they heard -- fill in the blank. little micro receptors in there. it is about culling the population. it gives everybody autism. nobody really needs it. it is just to make trump look bad. how many people have said that to you? it is all bs. it will take more than a pop star visiting the white house to get americans to think any differently than they are now. so let's talk solutions and a former key player in the coronavirus response next.

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this is a lot of empirical evidence that you don't really care about what's happening with the pandemic. i refuse to semiit. it matters too much. you have to care. 200 americans are still dying every day from covid. that's not that many. look. the point is, why? why do we have to have 200 people dying every day? when most of them, almost all of them are unvaccinated? do you think that's a coincidence? we have the doses. it's available. everyone from the surgeon general to the american academy of pediatrics says the conspiracy theories, misinformation that's being pumped up, mostly by the right, is killing people. my next guest knows the struggle of getting through the noise from inside trump world. he was trump's federal

coronavirus testing czar. admiral brett girar. >> thank you for having me. >> first, let's do this empirically. is there a problem with misinformation when it comes to the vaccine? let's look at the date. a two polls. one, in terms of the gap in vaccination rate. the key to the control room is p-2. counties that voted for biden versus counties that voted for trump as obvious metrics of partisan preference. you see the rate of increase in gap between those who are vaccinated. next. if we look at it in terms of ethnic identity versus partisan identity. blacks, hispanics, republicans. 65%, blacks, 70%, hispanics, only 54%. republicans. now, we get to you. which is do you believe that

misinformation that plays to poison partisanship is part of the problem with why people are not getting vaccinated? >> so, thank you, chris. and let me say first of all as a pediatric icu physician and as a member of trump administration for three years, the covid vaccines authorized in this country are highly effective. they are saving tens of thousands of lives. and there is no such they know as a risk-free vaccine. but the side effects are very, very minor compared to the overall benefit. i recommend this for all people who they're authorized for. to get to your point, yes, there is misinformation. there has been misinformation that we've fought all the time with measles vaccines, hpv vaccines, and of course, there is misinformation on covid vaccines and i appreciate the opportunity to dispel as many of those myths as i possibly can within the few minutes we have together. >> first, this isn't the only time we can talk about it.

you're invited on an ongoing basis. i don't think this problem is going away any time soon. i hope we never have to talk about this again and we can talk about something else but i don't think that will be the case. in terms of what we've dealt with in the past versus now, i present with you this piece of data that we've never had with measles or anything else. >> what if we start testing more, and as a result of testing, we final more positives? is that a good thing or a bad thing. >> testing, testing, testing. from the left. >> we don't need complicated technocratic nightmare of testing. >> you know that was a mistake. you were on the inside. now we have the same thing with vaccines. political players on the right are saying you don't need it. it may be in violation of nature. it may make you die. what do you say about those

statements? >> well, i don't make value judgments about the people but i can say it is absolutely wrong. we know the vaccines are highly effective and they are very safe. and do i believe that the solution, i'm a justice brandice fan. to overwhelm with it the positive information and we need to do it in a bipartisan way. and people like me. i would argue the former surgeon general, together with the turn surgeon general all need to get together to provide that. the information is overwhelming that vaccines are safe and effective. it is a political issue but as you pointed out, really, it is still an issue of african-americans being horribly underrepresented in those who are vaccinated. at least 30 or 40% less. and looking at the new cdc data. people in areas of high social vulnerability. so we still have an equity issue

that i believe is independent of politics. we have to do both. >> you are not a politician. i want your take on this. >> no. >> how powerful do you think it would be if president biden were to reach out to former president trump and say, these are predominantly your people. and you were the one who brought us operation warp speed and this vaccine in record time. please join me and tell people to take the vaccine. let's do it 24 hours of coverage in a day. let's have it all over the country. and let's have some rally for how many people you can get to take the vaccine in the next three weeks. do you think that would be powerful medicine for people who are of the trump persuasion? >> i think for people of the trump persuasion, yes. i do believe former president trump has enormous influence over people who support him.

vice president pence as well. and i think everything we can do from both administrations together to support it will or potentially could make a difference. and really, with the delta variant and new variants, vaccination becomes more and more important. i will say that, chris, the low vaccination rates in detroit, the low vaccination rates among african-americans, these are not generally trump people. so it is not just red versus blue. we have to reach the vulnerable and the ethnic minorities. those are the ones actually suffering the most. so we have to do all the above. >> i think it is worth discussing. when you look at color or ethnic disparity, you have a two prong, right? one is a history of misgivings, of having been duped about vaccinations and having misgivings about institutions, that they don't believe in

government reaching out to help them that often. fairon. and second, access. which they don't control even if they wanted. as you mentioned earlier, we have an inequity going on in terms of who is getting the supply. so it is very different than people just choosing not to take it because they think it is a thumb to the nose to the democrats. >> your point is there. i think everyone has access because of the delivery of vaccines in pharmacies and we know that they're even in very high social vulnerability index areas. your point is right. we do need more information. i'm very concerned. this was developed under the trump administration. operation warm speed -- >> would not have happened without you. would never have happened.

i know this story from the inside. and the biden administration has taken the baton and done a good job accelerating and getting it globally. so this is a bipartisan win. don't make it a political game because thousands of lives are at stake. particularly with the variants which are much more contagious. and i believe the data is showing that natural immunity, although it is good against the basic strains, are not so good against delta. so people who were inspected, i believe, will be highly likely susceptible to delta and the new variants. so this could be a wheel that starts turning all over again. we have the ability to stomp this out. every person in this country should feel blessed to have these times of vaccines and the access that has been provided by both administrations. and i would urge everyone to please take it for your sxak the sake of your family.

>> quickly, i don't know how accurate the numbers are because of the nature of the reporting system many place. when you look at florida and you start to hear about the cases coming up again. you have the governor there selling propaganda that says don't fauci florida. an obvious vaccine play. you know the numbers there aren't what they could be. do you believe that's something to keep an eye on in terms of how politics and misinformation and messaging can make a difference that can make us sick? >> yeah. i really don't know about the specifics of what governor desantis is saying. clearly when you have urban areas, we've had several outbreaks in florida that has required massive testing and support by the federal government as well as in south texas and many other major cities. messaging is important. and our leaders' messaging is very important. so again, not knowing the specifics, i would offer myself,

i'm sure the former attorney general, and so many of the docs in the trump administration who worked so passionately to make the day happen, want to see it come to its fruition so we can kill this pandemic once and for all. >> it is hard to see how anything like don't fauci florida could do anything to help. you're not a politician. i want to talk to you about best practices. and i appreciate you doing so. the misinformation is a problem and hopefully we can get on top of it. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> i do see it as political why. ? it is a lot of politicians doing it. and one of the biggest misinformation spreaders is a politician. and he is struck again. it is senator ron johnson of wisconsin. again, the guy is a metaphor for how the game can disease somebody. i remember when he came in. he was a businessman who said i

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i don't see any other way to say it other than banking on bs. the republican leadership doesn't care about the threat of

toxic talk. here's a case in point. there is silence on this. >> wouldn't you say a 15, 16, 17-year-old male would certainly fit profile of someone who might be in a gang or be recruited by a gang or be used by the drug traffickers to traffic their drugs, right? isn't that the reality. situation with this? we are letting in people who are potentially gang members, people who will be trafficking drugs, or human trafficking. isn't that your experience as a houston sheriff? >> i'm always mindful of not profiling. >> that's not profiling. >> it's by definition profiling. taking somewhat someone looks like and putting them into a category of criminality because of what they look like. that's profiling. facts, immigrants who run

documented are. less likely to commit a crime. ? why because they're scared of getting detected by the system and getting thrown out. the average age of a drug trafficker is 37. the vast majority of them are u.s. citizens. by now, we're past fact checking what comes out of ron johnson's mouth. because so much of it constitutes a domestic threat. do you know what those other 49 republican senators swore to defend against? that. you want proof? just name danger. according to dhs under trump, there were spikes in domestic threats driven by people stoking fears about immigration. in other words, what johnson just did. more than 200 americans are dying a day because they haven't gotten the vaccine. yet johnson is one of the biggest pushers of the very

vaccine conspiracy that's are killing us. listen. we are over3,000 deaths after, within 30 days of taking vaccine. >> find somebody from the trump administration or from the biden administration who will tell you that the vaccine is what is killing people. as for the actual terror attack we all witnessed on the capitol, five dead, more than 100 police officers injured and maimed, here's johnson again. >> those are people who love this country. that truly respect law enforcement. >> is that why they beat the hell out of them? ron johnson has shown you time and again exactly who he is. more importantly, who he has become. i remember the guy when he first came in. a businessman. wanted to make some deals. let me show you some charts. i don't want to play these

politics games. now he's the worst. only the people in his own caucus that i really worry about. they won't say anything about him. say the ongoing efforts to tear down elections. >> we have tens of millions of people who do not view this election result as legitimate. >> they don't view it as lent because you keep saying it is ill legitimate. even when it comes to the climate crisis which dhs called a multilevel threat to the american people. here's your boy johnson. >> i think -- by the way, it is. >> by the way, he just said that he wasn't a climate denier. the wisconsin senator hasn't said if he's running for re-election. but the question for leadership is why would you want him in why

don't you make that reach out to people who are centered of right and reasonable and all the bs coming out of his mouth. that's not what being a republican is about. let's to go break. when we come back to another johnson. former homeland security secretary. this up with has his facts straight. secretary jay johnson. how close was the democracy to a real problem? what do we learn from what we've heard about this new book? next. ah, there's no place like panera. enjoy the toasty, saucy chipotle chicken avocado melt on freshly baked bread. panera. order on the app today.

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this new book on general milley's fears about president trump should frighten you. it doesn't take a soldier to know joint chiefs don't scare easily. how close did we come to the edge of darkness in our democracy? what does it really mean? we have a great guest who knows this world well, as well as general milley. former homeland security secretary jay johnson. welcome back to prime time. good to see you, mr. secretary. >> chris, thanks for having me.

i look forward to our discussion. >> so what was your take on what has come out on this book? >> i can't say i'm surprised. if one assumes that what has come out in the recent spate of these books is accurate, then ironically, president trump may have selected in general milley unwittingly, the right man for the moment. someone who was prepared to stand up to his commander in chief to say, mr. president, what you've ordered me to do is patently illegal. if he had in fact ordered some sort of coup or revolt by the military. and so i can't say i'm surprised. it is now well known that president trump was fixated with figuring out a way to stay in office even after he had lost the electoral college vote. so i can't say i'm surprised.

i also have to say, never in my lifetime would i have imagined that we would have found ourselves in the situation we found ourselves in in december and january of this year. our democracy was put under a stress test. it survived but it was put under a severe stress test. >> was it surprising to you that people around then president trump saw the same things that milley did? expressed some of the same concerns we're now learning in books but said nothing during their time in the administration? >> well, that's because a lot of the people around donald trump in the waning days of his administration were actors. we had, remember, chris, in the last few days of the trump administration, we had an acting secretary of defense, an

secretary of homeland security, an acting attorney general. and apparently, it took someone like general milley, the cheryl of the joint chiefs to remind all the rest of us what the constitution means and what it stands for, and what the oath to support and defend the constitution means. so the military is one of the most respected institutions of our nation. and one of the reasons is part of the core, the fabric of military training the basics of our constitution. and what the commander in chief has the power to do and what they do not have the power to do. >> you said that you never would have imagined where we found ourselves in december and january. what about where we find ourselves now and this concern from your former agency that this reinstatement talk, the

misinformation campaigns, that all kind of blend together, the fraud farce or the vaccination, that it is creating an animus and a rejection of the institution of government that could cause violence. how real do you think that threat is? >> chris, we live in a world where large slices of republicans believe the election was stolen. there was a survey that came out the last couple of weeks that a full 15% of americans, not 15% of republicans, 15% of americans ascribe to the qanon theory. my old agency is telling me along with the law enforcement community, that the pot is boiling. it boiled over on january 6th. the pot is still boiling. there is no reason to believe it all dissipated after january 6th. the environment, the underlying environment is still there.

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come together? the bill that democrats want to decriminalize smoking for personal use, and exsponge nonviolent federal convictions for pot related convictions. what are the odds their own voters pushed them to loosen up on weed? good question for the wizard of odds, harry, good see you. public perception on whether or not marijuana should be a scheduled -- controlled substance? >> the fact of the matter is, the only other issue i have seen the public move so fast is same-sex marriage. back in 2000, what we saw is just 31% of americans thought that recreational marijuana should be legalized. 2021, 60%. it went from 31% in your 30s, and now i'm in my low 30s, and we're at 60%.

unbelievable movement. >> we go from the what to the who. old, young, black, white, red, blue? >> it's one thing to be in a poll. but actual election results. and what we had see is unbelievable. new jersey, 67% ballot measure last year, arizona, purple, 60%. montana, red, 57%. south dakota, a really red state. 54%, and that is translated when you look at the different demographics. it's pretty much popular among all of them. it's popular among democrats and republicans, and age 65 to 74, senior citizens, 53%. really the only group it's not popular on, just 32%. interestingly enough there are a lot of senators in that democratic, and also the president of the united states. >> how does the decriminalizing

aspect of this play? >> look, i think it's something that is popular. but i also think that part of what's going on in the situation of being honest with you, christopher, and why, you know, democrats are pushing it and why they want this idea essentially, they want a lot of different things in the bill, if you look among a lot of voters, african-american voters, they are the most penalized. the percentage of age 12 plus who use marijuana, blacks and whites equal. but look at that, blacks are more than three times more -- 3 1/2 more times likely to be arrested than white folks. and this is something a lot of democrats are interested in, and they want to recognize that black people have been treated unfairly disproportionately by the law. >> now, how does this upside down nature of having a handful of states control 50% of the

senate, and they are worried about a small slice of right america, how do we see their disposition on the right in the senate going in this debate? >> here's the strange thing to me, this was about the public. then marijuana would be legalized nationally. we saw in south dakota, a small state in the plains, 54% of voters approve legalizing marijuana. it's republican senators who want to stop in, and maybe they have different reasons. the bill is complicated. but the general issue, this isn't about the voters. this is about senators who are disconnected from the voter. >> a vestige of a culture war. they move off the character counts, and the value, and this a vestige. we will see if it goes up in smoke, we will be right after

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thank you for watching, and giving us the opportunity. it's time now for don lemon tonight with its big star, d lemon. >> you did hear me screaming? i thought i left my jacket in this studio, and i got here just a minute ago, and i go, ah! i had to run down stairs. whoo! in order to get my jacket. >> finally. >> i thought you would hear me. it was loud. so how you feeling? >> better than i deserve. >> yeah? >> we have been talking a lot about the vaccines, vaccine misinformation, all the fda apr approval, on and on, doing research on that, and i think a lot -- listen, it's important that you are fda approved, the