i wish you every blessing and good health and have a good weekend. before you do, you got to get your brain food. laura coats now. >> i'll market that. brain food. have a good weekend. >> you, too, my friend. this is "don lemon tonight." the saturday truth this is america's gains against covid are quickly unraveling because now for the first time since january, covid cases are rising in all 50 states. and president joe biden is pointing the finger right at social media bluntly accusing the platforms of killing people

with the spread of misinfo misinformation. >> covid misinformation, what's your message to platforms like facebook? >> they're killing people. i mean, they -- look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated and they're killing people. >> now, once we were almost helpless to combat covid. today, we're watching the spread of something that actually might be preventable with vaccination. and the truth is, the ills of social media might also be completely preventable with truth and information. but it's been a week of misinformation on every front. from the pandemic to the big lie that's still alive and thriving even today with bogus claims about non-existent election fraud. mike pence who was threatened with hanging by the rioters on january 6th letting a little bit of truth sneak out in the midst

of praising his former boss. >> we've been through a lot in the last year. i mean, a global pandemic, civil unrest, a decisive election, a tragic day in our nation's capitol. >> and as kevin mccarthy is weighing his picks for the select committee to investigate who mike pence called a tragic day, the qanon congresswoman one of the biggest deniers of what we all saw with our own eyes on january 6th, well she wants a seat at the table. marjorie taylor greene tweeting republicans on the committee should be the toughest fighters and defend the former president. so now let me get this straight. one of the biggest proponents of the big lie, not to mention all those qanon conspiracy theories now wants to be on the select committee so that she can fight against the committee's mission to find the truth. the truth of information we need

to protect our democracy and our lives. i want to bring in cnn political commentator charley dent and congressman and cnn political analyst kirsten powers. nice to see you both. charlie, i'll begin with you. whether covid or the big lie, misinformation is running wild and what is this doing to our country? >> well, laura, what is happening is our citizens now, our fellow citizens can't agree on facts because of this misinformation and of course, the casualty is the truth, and it's part of the reason why this nation is so divided and i wish there was an easy answer to this but we have to do a better job presenting better information and we have people in high positions of responsibility that need to stand up and speak truth on another network we have anchors, you know, casting doubt on the vaccinations and why

their important. we have a lot of people out there who know better saying stupid things because they want to attract an audience it seems and monetize whatever it is they're selling and this is the tragedy but truth is a casualty. >> i mean, kirsten, i want to hear your thoughts on the idea the appetite and idea of monetizing the falsehoods and it's got to be said that these social media companies and fox 1 and right wing media are making big profits and it's so distorted, misinformation is both big business and a way to manipulate people and stay in big power. that's a dangerous combination, don't you think? >> incredibly dangerous and what is so twisted about it, they portray themselves whether it's the people in the media at fox news or the people that i think joe biden was talking about, which were called the disinformation dozen.

it's about a dozen influ we think so -- influ we think soars that put out the majority of the vaccines present themselves as the only people telling the truths, right? so that's what makes it so particularly twisted is you have people who don't trust other sources coming to these people who are telling them this and who are monetizing the misinformation. they are building an audience off of telling people things that aren't true and they know aren't true. that's the thing. it's not that they're not smart enough to know this and have the right information, it's that they know this is how they get an audience and keep an audience and they're willing to do that and the results of it in this case is deadly. >> and kirsten, it's, you know, the idea it's a willing audience, as well, that are eyeing up to follow to actually hear it and receive the information and follow it is really shocking, as well.

if you look at the polls of who received a vaccine dose, nearly two thirds of those who think biden won because of voter fraud, they haven't been vaccinated. so what possible incentive do republicans or right wing media have for putting out lies that frankly can kill their own supporters? >> again, this makes no sense. i think the argument has to be that people who live -- that physicians, health care professionals who live in these states in those districts where there are low vaccination rates need to be the ones who have those conversations with their patients and tell them why it important to get vaccinated. they need to tell them if you don't do it for yourself, do it for the kids many of whom are not permitted or eligible to be vaccinated at this point and can get sick. do it for them. protect them and you're unvaccinated friends and your unvaccinated family. do it for them if you can't do it for yourself. and it's so sad that vaccinations have become so

politicized. who could have ever thought of this? this isn't like abortion or heaven sake. this is vaccinations, basic public health and that's what is so troubling about why this country is so divided that we seem to politicize everything, even things that are good for us. >> kirsten, are we now at the point where if you're an adult and you've not been vaccinated, it's your own personal responsibility if you get seriously ill from covid? is that where we are? >> of course, if you have an opportunity and you haven't done it and the thing is, you can still get covid if you've been vaccinated. it's pretty unlikely but it won't be deadly. it won't -- and it won't be as bad. so by choosing to not get it, you are putting yourself in risk of possibly dying and getting very, very ill. i think the thing is just listening to charlie, this has been the thing everyone is saying, we've been saying over

and over, just try to think of other people and it's clear at this point that these people don't care. they're not -- this isn't an argument that works with them. right? the idea that and i hear people saying this. it's like i'm not worried about it because i'm not in the age group. okay. other people are. what is so hard about this? and what is so hard about thinking about other people? and that's the thing that i think has to be figured out is how do we get to a place where people have such disregard for other people that they think putting a little piece of cloth over their face is just too much of a sacrifice to make -- to save people's lives. it's just -- it just incredible. >> it is, indeed. kirsten, charlie, thank you. later in the show we'll talk to somebody by the way who was formally an anti-vaxxer and. ei want to hear what change her mind and what arguments

could work with someone like that thank you for your time.wa mind and what arguments could work with someone like that thank you for your time. i want to bring in cara swisher. president biden is slamming these platforms for covid misen formation. i wonder, we talked with the last guest here, is being named and shamed going to make any difference whatsoever to these companies? >> well, i don't know. it depends. it's not a good position to be in to be called killers by the president or you're responsible for people dying. makers of of piates or things le that. there is a lot of tension between these companies and the biden administration pushing hard and need good information from facebook and others about this. it's an on going struggle because these companies, you know, one thing after another happened whether helping donald trump insight violence after

the -- for january 6th, which they waited and waited and waited to cut him off or anything else. it's been one situation after another for these companies and it's not a great situation for a business to be in although the business has never been better, let my say that or the stocks. >> you're right about the idea of facebook being that sort of persona. it didn't start now. it been for quite sometime. the 2016 election, all that is part of it. facebook is putting out a defiant statement. i want to read it. they say we will not be distracted by accusations that aren't supported by the facts. the fact is more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about covid-19 and vaccines on facebook. and cara, you actually spoke with the white house chief of staff ron klain on your podcast about facebook. here is what he said. >> i said directly we gather

groups of people that have not vaccinated and ask them and they tell us things that are wrong and untrue and we ask them where they've heard that, the most common answer is facebook. >> given that, is there any question the misinformation is huge on these platforms and are they doing a lot to stop it? >> they are doing a lot and putting out good information about covid and everything else, it's not not true. the problem is the lies and the flood of information, misinformation and the people that play this system, which on lots of topics on election lies, fraud, all kinds of things. i mean, there are so many different things they have to deal with. the problem is they allow unfettered speech on these platforms and they're allowed to but they cause damage and that's the problem and so one of the things that's hard to do is when they say they give out information and they do. they absolutely do. it's like putting a sandbag in

front of the most toxic ocean and saying we're stopping the flow by putting truth out here and as you know, lies have a way especially if they're massive and constant of getting into people's heads and you can see it again and again and again and it's not the only way. look, it's on cable news. it's on a lot of places but these sites have a way of addicting people and being amplified in a way that is unprecedented in human history. not like sending a letter to people. it's talking to all kinds of people constantly and reinforcing things and that's the problem. >> and the reach is so extensive but cara, there is real concern over the government getting involved in deciding frankly, what is acceptable information. as a general principle, we don't want the government dictating who can speak out and what they can say when they do. what's the way to address that and find that happy medium? >> that's the problem. we can't. there is a thing called the first amendment and the government can't do this.

that said, facebook and other sites can't do it. they can do these things. they can police these things. there is other ways of getting at them in terms of, you know, not just calling it a speech issue, fair share of taxes and paying the cost these things entail and ways that are regulating them and making sure there is more players so it's not one company impacting so many people. there is all kinds of solutions that don't have to impinge on free speech. that's a difficult problem here. it's an incredibly difficult problem. >> well, where there is a will, there is a way. thank you. >> maybe. i don't know. next, she was an anti vax influencer and now, she's vaccinated and she's spreading the word to get everybody else to do the same. she'll tell me what changed her mind when we come back. >> unvaccinated americans are not protected against serious illness, hospitalization and death and we're seeing it in the data. this may look like a regular movie night.

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cases across the country. for the first time in months, all 50 states are seeing a rise in new cases. death and hospitalizations are also up from last week but nearly all of these people are unvaccinated. joining me now, heather simpson used to be part of the anti vaccine movement but is now encouraging people to get the covid-19 shot. hea heather, welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. >> heather, you used to be an anti vaccine influ we think soar. you were, as i say, pushing mim misinformation to hundreds of thousands of followers but here you are. you're getting your covid vaccine shot i'm looking at it now and you're encouraging everyone else to do the same. i got to ask, what changed your mind on this issue? >> you know, honestly, i -- this sounds ridiculous but i lived my

life in fear of tetanus just knowing that it was everywhere, all around us and my daughter got this tiny little cat scratch a few months ago. it was just not even worth going to the pediatrician over it but, you know, i'm a new mom and took her in and they didn't want to do the tetanus shot. they said it's small and fine but saw how worried i was about tetanus and they said, you know, heather, there is a solution to your fear. and that is the tetanus shot, modern day science. it was like -- it was a lightbulb moment. >> it was that mind blowing moment of thinking oh, here is what i can do and it's funny motherhood would be the emphasis. i understand why. i'm also a mother. we tend to think of people are so entrenched in their opinions their minds can never change but obviously, that's not the case and you show that. i wonder, explain how you got wrapped up in the first place in the anti vaccine world that led

to this epiphany but what led you first to all the of the misinformation? >> so back when my husband and i were trying to get pregnant, we started looking into vaccines and i believe it was on facebook where i saw an ad for this nine-hour docuseries called "the truth about vaccines." afterwards, i was terrified. i basically thought if my daughter got a vaccine, she could die that night. that's how traumatized i was from watching that. when i spoke out about vaccines and how i didn't like them, i didn't -- i was basically an anti vaccer, i got the courage to speak out on facebook, i was welcomed into a huge world of anti-vaxxers that facebook allows on their site. >> and from there, i sense you get involved in this whole anti

vaccination movement. the white house, you mentioned facebook, the white house is calling out what they are calling the disinformation dozen which is 12 people for the center for encountering digital hate. they account for 65% of all vaccine misinformation on social media and you actually used to follow seven of these 12 people. what was it about their posts? you mentioned the docuseries but what was it about the posting and made you feel convinced you were doing the right thing? >> i mean, these guys are so confident when they're posting things and they speak like they are such authorities on these issues that you don't know anything else to do but to follow them. i mean, in such a vulnerable state a lot of these people are as new parents, you're reading these and thinking some of these people are fully doctors that are spotting this

misinformation. i mean, what else are you going to do? you're going to think it's a doctor saying that and that's scary. you don't just have the disen f -- disinformation. a bunch of people you wouldn't think of that are not in that dozen but they are spreading just as much information because every time they post something, it gets hundreds of shares. and it's -- there's an entire world on facebook of this stuff. >> and the more it's shared, the strength in numbers, the more credibility you're attaching to it. i wonder, heather, what is your message to all the people out there that are choosing now to be unvaccinated? what would you have them know? >> if you are choosing to be unvaccinated, what you're probably saying is i don't want to take this risk of vaccine for a virus that only has a 99% --

or that has a 99% survival rate but if that 1% was your child or your grandparent or your spouse, that would probably feel different to you. so to be so dismissive and to say i don't need to wear a mask. i don't need to get vaccinated on and on and on because it's not going to affect me, it will affect real life people and that -- i mean, you have the power to help stop this and to save lives and you're not doing it. it's entitled. >> heather, thank you for expressing your views and talking about the power that people actually have. we're really not thankfully helpless in this and the owning is on us and thank you for spreading the word. appreciate it. >> yeah, thank you. now, is there such a thing as real america? paul craigman answers that question, next.

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security for kids. but it's only for this year. the president and many democrats want to make it permanent. joining me now is "new york times" columnist paul craigman, author of "arguing with zombies." paul, good to see you on this friday evening. you know, president biden has been pretty focused on showing that government can work, that it does work, but you recently wrote, as well, that it's morning in joe biden's america. what will this credit actually do for americans? >> it's not actually all that much money but it's targeted on the people who really need the money. i mean, the -- we have a huge problem of child poverty in america, and the tfunny thing i it doesn't take a lot of money to drastically reduce that problem and we have huge amounts of evidence from the past from things like the expansion of food stamps that give families

with children just ate little b of extra financial resources does incredibly good things. the kids this receive that aid now will grow up to be healthier and more productive adults in the future. so this is a big social step, even though the amounts of money properly if you view it in the proper proserspective aren't th much. >> it's quite telling that this amount of money does make that big of a difference and could end, i think, child poverty or cut it in half. but some republicans are calling this, well, socialism, which of course, begs the question since when are republicans against lowering taxes? >> well, yeah. i mean, it is true that a fair number of the people receiving this will not be paying taxes or they won't be paying income taxes any way so this is showing up as a grant of money. you know, i for decades conservatives told me, well, i

don't believe in equality of results, i believe in equality of opportunity. let me tell you, kids who grow up in poverty do not have the same opportunity as kids who don't and so this is actually a step in the direction of what conservatives have always claimed to believe in except now all of a sudden, helping children who are not -- four children are not poor through any fault of their own and giving then enough resources so they can make lives for themselves. if that's socialism, then basically anything good is social li so socialism is the point. >> it's very louxury position t be in. you know the culture wars are still raging on. you took note of ohio senate candidate tweeting out he heard new york was disgusting and violent and let's point out by the way that violent crime rose by 3% across the country last year. i mean, homicides are up.

rising 25% between 2019 and 2020. this isn't just a new york problem we all realize. what is he trying to do, exactly? >> he's just trying to get people riled up and trying to -- it's signaling to the republican base. he's trying to appeal to primary voters, most of whom have no idea. people who are actually in new york, which i happen not to be at the moment but am mostly in new york know it not a socialist hell hole. there are not gangs of looters roaming the streets. things look pretty good, but it's a story they can tell and it's a way to -- i mean, it's more -- i'm not sure if he -- i'm sure he knows better and i suspect even a lot of his voters know better but they're -- it's signaling by talking about the evils of the big city and evils of the big city with a large

implicit notion that it has to do with people's skin color not the same as your own. that's a way of signifies which side you're on and the culture wars. no, this is crazy. i mean, we have a lot of problems with this country. we have a lot of problems with new york but a lot of the problems ware much worse in smal town america. >> quite a way to signal something. you're right about that. you also talk about cynical politicians who this is a trend for. d disparaging certain parts of the country, they aren't part of this real america and you say that criticism has effectively killed thousands in the pandemic and could end up killing democracy. tell me more about your thoughts on that. >> we really need to understand the modern republican party, it is not a normal political party. it is at this point really a

personality and an authoritarian movement. they really don't believe anybody else has the right to win elections or hold power. there were -- they're rapidly turning the people that tried to overturn a legitimate election on january 6th into martyrs, into heroes of the lost cause so this is really scary stuff and it all hinges on the notion that there's a real america somewhere out there and that excludes places like new york and just actually imagine, imagine doing that in reverse. imagine if a democratic politician said all those people living in appalachia and eastern kentucky aren't real americans. these are terrible and violent and disgusting. that would decrucify if they did that from the left and democratic politicians don't. they say hey, we're all americans but somehow considered acceptable to trash parts of the country where a large fraction

of the american population lives. >> imagine that. paul krugman, thank you. >> thank you. now, look at this. multiple police officers, a taser, one man and if you assume this use of force is warranted, would you be surprised to hear it began over $2.75? i make my case next.

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another passenger avoid paying subway fair. now, so far, our reporting shows the man swore at the police and appeared to be resisting arrest. but even so, and even if he had committed the crime and yes, fair evasion is considered a crime in new york, does it really warrant this type of police response? this number of officers? this level of force? this application of force for a non-violent crime that posed no threat to the public's safety? i mean, he's now been charged with multiple crimes and his attorney tonight telling cnn the charges are quote absolutely absurd. and a classic example of the nypd using excessive force on black people. now, riding the subway costs $2.75. and i understand that a system that derives most of it revenue from everyday workers can't

tolerate free riders. everyone has to pay their fair share, but keep in mind ellen weisselberg, the now former cfo of the trump organization stands accused of failing to pay not $2.75 but more than $900,000 in unpaid taxes and undeserved tax refunds. our tax system also can't tolerate free riders, yet, he was allowed to turn himself in and walked out of the courthouse of his own accord. no on slot of officers, certainly no taser. just the presumption of innocence, a guarantee of due process, an opportunity to be heard and spoken to like a human being or at least, treated like one. but i guess, that's just me giving my $2.75. up next, the chair of the

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rights. harris saying it's an important issue affecting all americans. >> this is -- let's be clear, not about any one racial group or gender group. this is about all americans. this is not an issue about democrats versus republicans. this sbis about americans and ts group of national leaders are very clear about that. this is a fight for all people regardless of who they voted for in the last election or who they vote for tin the next election. >> let talk about that with martin luther king, iii. sorry we keep having to have these conversations about the fight for voting rights, but you're the right person to have here tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> now, martin, are you confident that the white house is really understanding the sense of urgency that folks are facing with voting rights in this country and also, do you think they're fighting back with everything they have?

>> that's a very good question. my response is i don't know that they are fighting with every tool. it is my hope, it is certainly been what i have challenged and in fact, we are launching tomorrow a campaign called for john to raise dollars literally small dollar figures from hundreds of thousands of individuals to support grass roots campaigns -- i mean grass roots organizations that are actually registering, meeting voters on the ground. that's helping them mobilize because people need to be calling senators every day. we are in a ditch, and we are trying to dig our way out, which is very sad. we live in a democracy we all know and we talk about democracy around the world but we suppress democracy at home and that is a very sad contradiction. >> and of course, you said for john.

we know tomorrow marks the one-year anniversary since congressman john lewis passed away. i want to play some of the former president obama's eulogy for congressman lewis. listen to this. >> remember what john said, if you don't do everything, you can do to change things. then they will remain the same. you only pass this way once. you have to give it all you have. as long as young people are protesting in the streets, hoping real change takes hold, i'm hopeful but we can't casually abandon them at the ballot box. not when few elections have been as urgent on so many levels as this one. we can't treat voting as anner r

- -- errand to run like we have time. we have to treat it as the most important action we have to take on behalf of democracy and like john, we have to give it all we have. >> that was almost a year ago, and he was pressing lawmakers then to pass the john lewis voting rights act and in that year, not only did it not pass, but as you know, across the country have moved quickly to enact even more restrictive voting measures. so what is it going to take to protect against these bills? >> so, you know, i think one of the great suggestions was the suggestion that congressman clyburn came up with, which is if we can pass budget issues by not having to utilize the filibuster, why then can we not utilize the right to vote in the same way?

legally, i don't know what that looks like but it's certainly something up for suggestion. august 28 is the anniversary of the march on washington. and we have joined with a number of organizations, the national action network, march on, sciu, to do another march. we're doing marches in five cities across the country. atlanta, miami, phoenix, houston, and washington, d.c. and there are sister cities that are coming on. people are going to be in the streets mobilizing. the other goal is to register 2 million people by the midterm elections. these are things that may potentially create a change in our nation. >> and like you just noted, it's been nearly 60 years since your father's march on washington. what does it say to you that you're launching this initiative now? what does it say about the state of our democracy and also civil rights in general? >> well, what it says is what my mother used to say, is that every generation has to

reacquire its freedom. freedom isn't just given permanently. it's a sad commentary. hopefully we'll get to the day where freedom can be sustained eternally. but in this particular moment, as mom said, every generation has to re-earn its freedom. when we look at democracy, it's crumbling in the united states of america. when we ought to be ashamed of ourselves. you can't shame someone into doing right. but you can get enough people to mobilize so that ultimately they're going to have to pay attention. they're not paying attention right now. they're only looking at, this is going to protect my interests and what i'm doing and where i stand. at the end of the day, hopefully all of that is going to backfire. that's a hope. >> we hope that the ideas and principles of democracy will some day be impenetrable. thank you, mr. king, always nice to talk with you. we'll be right back.

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bobby duvall and maya apalone hope this moment points haiti toward a better future. >> people are in a state of shock. i'm particularly very much shocked. no matter how much you can criticize the former president, there is nothing that requires such a barbaric action of violently taking his life. [ speaking foreign language ] >> i would love to think it could be a turning point where

people are educated about how the system works and the reason behind search a horrible act. [ sirens ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> this is not enough to change my vision to contribute to a positive development of this nation. it reinforces the reasons of what i'm doing. i do everything i can to have the most impact towards the people who need it most. >> to learn more about how these and other cnn heroes are working to help the haitian people, go to cnnheroes.com. once there you can nominate someone you know to be a cnn

hero. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. good evening. a federal judge just ruled that the daca program is illegal which means the future of hundreds of thousands of immigrants who were brought here as children may now be in doubt. we'll look at the decision and the enormous implications tonight. we begin, however, with the return of covid and the tragic fact that right now in this country virtually none of the illness, isolation, suffering, and dying should be happening at all, period. >> there is a clear message that is coming through. this is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. >> unvaccinated americans are not protected against serious illness, hospitalization, and death. and we're seeing it in the data. unvaccinated americans account for virtually all recent covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths. >> a pandemic of the unvaccinated. right now new cases are rising for the