presidential funeral wraps up going into next weekend. >>inate yous continues. want to hand it to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. deep denial. how we made ourselves sick. that is the story of america and the pandemic. and we are writing another, dark chapter right now. all 50 states, and washington, d.c., all of us, are reporting rises in new-covid cases, from a week ago. it's the first time that's happened since january. all 50 of us. 38 of them are seeing at least a 50% increase. hospitalizations? way up. deaths? up. why? two reasons. one, the obvious. we're out. we're in contact. we knew this would happen. it's the second one that we have to focus on. it's the real problem. the hope was that the vaccine would even the stakes. but once again, america's making

her sick by not taking it and, too often, for bad reason. proof? case rates are highest in which states? those with the lower-vaccination rates. a pandemic of the unvaccinated, according to the cdc. and which states are those? red ones, mostly. the delta variant, overall, hitting red states hardest. that's where the majority of the vaccine hesitant reside. among them, florida. white house says, one in five cases came from florida, this week. 20%. what's the governor there doing? desantis is hawking, don't fauci my florida merchandise. beer koozies, t-shirts. why? covidiousy. he is banking on people listening to these people, they don't like trump. desantis got vaccinated early on, so did trump and his family. developing the vaccine, in

record time, was trump's signature contribution to the pandemic. the fruit of operation warp speed. so, why aren't he and his followers pushing it among the faithful? take a listen. >> we are delivering millions of doses of a safe and effective vaccine that will, soon, end this terrible pandemic and save millions and millions of lives. it is truly a christmas miracle. >> so, why isn't he getting you to buy and use and take -- it's free -- this christmas miracle? now, this is his response to pushing it. >> they all want me to do a commercial because a lot of our people don't want to take vaccine. you know, i don't know what that is, exactly. republican. i don't know what it is. >> you -- you don't know what it is? just like, you didn't know who david duke was? or any of the bad actors who back you? mr. trump has selective amnesia,

when it comes to knowing about what he doesn't think works for him. the question is why does trump think the vaccine is not in his interest, when he created it? maybe, it is because he's not getting the credit for any progress, now, because it's not on his watch. so, there's nothing in it for him. and he's better served by division. maybe, that's why he's okay with letting his people badmouth his signature achievement with deadly disinformation. lot of maybes. here's proof of them. >> the government was hoping that they could sort of sucker 90% of the population into getting vaccinated. and it -- and -- and it -- and it isn't happening, right? there's a -- younger people -- >> who applauds not getting vaccinated? people who have been misled, that it is good for them not to take it. this past weekend, when speaker

noted the biden white house hasn't reached its vaccination goal, yet. what do you see? what do you see? you see trump is happy about it. my team did a rough count from six of his public appearances, since the election. he mentioned the election around-221 times. vaccine? about 39. and not, you know, forget about just the numbers. it's the quality. in those 39, overwhelmingly, he just said, i did it, i did it, i did it. but he didn't push taking it. now, what does that tell you? trump seems to have it both ways. takes credit for making it. and takes advantage from the division that is keeping his people from taking it. more and more, people are going the wrong way because they are unprotected after buying into the bs. so, president biden, today, specifically, took aim at social-media companies like facebook for not doing enough to spread the anti-vaxer bs. listen.

>> they're killing people. the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. and that's -- and they're -- and they're killing people. >> it's a hefty charge. let's take it to the better minds. smerconish and dr. leana wen. author of a new book coming out, "lifelines: a doctor's journey in the fight for public health." good to have you, both. smerc, help me. he creates the vaccine. he said, look, operation warp speed was great. now, he doesn't want anybody to take it. they asked him to do a commercial. he said, what? who is -- republican? what? why? >> he is sacrificing one of the best arguments that he has because, by your own statistics, and anecdotally, i can bear that out because i have watched most of those appearances. he really doesn't assert himself and take full credit, to the extent you would expect. why is that the case? i think, to the extent there's any strategy involved here, and i don't know if there is, he's always been about motivation.

and not persuasion. he's always been about doing what it takes to motivate the hardcore to get out there and be supportive, rather than to try and get people to meet him halfway and win hearts and minds. so in this case, i think, he believes he would appear soft in front of some of those fringe types that he wants to keep inside the tent. so, he's willing to forego mention of operation warp speed, so as to keep them happy and stay out of the fray. one other thing, chris. ask yourself this. even if he were to do the psa. even if he were to implore his followers to get vaccinated, would they necessarily follow? i have my doubts. >> you know, he said go down to the capitol and make sure they know that we're here. they sure as hell followed up on that request, smerc. so taking a vaccine a lot easier than attacking the capitol. dr. leana wen, here's the problem. americans' confidence in major-u.s. institutions, like the medical system, declined. we have a full screen for it.

2019. 2020. 2021. you take a look at it. confidence in the medical system. 36%, in 2019. 51%, june, 2020. now, coming back down, again, june 2021. so, that's a battle within the battle, right? >> yeah. i mean, we're facing misinformation and disinformation on a lot of fronts. but just to follow up on what -- what michael was just saying. i mean, i -- i think that he's right. i mean, president trump -- former-president trump had plenty of opportunity to convince his followers earlier. and what i am concerned about is that there is this narrative out there. the most common reason, i'd say, that i hear from people about why they're not vaccinated is they think that there's more to fear from the vaccine, than there is from the virus. which, obviously, is totally backwards. i mean, this is a deadly virus. the vaccine is what saves your life. and i -- i would hope that the information from doctors will

make a difference. politicians will make a difference. i hope so. but i actually think it's a bit too late for that. i think we need to take a lot more dramatic action, in the form of proof of vaccination and, ultimately, vaccine mandates. >> quick-bounce question to you, dr. wen. 49% of people in a recent poll who haven't taken the vaccine said it being fda approved would help them with that. my man, d lemon, went bad on me, on that argument, last night. he is like, oh, they don't understand. it's about efficacy, not approval. i said, yeah, but anything that has approval must have efficacy. he goes, oh, no, it can have efficacy and not be approved. i said i know but if it is approved, it must have efficacy and that gives people comfort. do you agree? >> i do. i think the full approval will make a huge difference, for two reasons. one is that there are some people who call this vaccine experimental. obviously, it's not experimental. it's been given to hundreds of millions of people. it's just fine. it should be, frankly, approved, at this point. but taking -- but having full

approval would take that argument and that arrow out of the quiver. and the second reason is there are lots of workplaces and schools that have not gone the route of vaccine mandates because they just aren't sure that they can without full approval. so that will also allow for a lot more people to be vaccinated who are on the fence right now. they don't know. they are not really opposed to getting the vaccine but they need that extra push and that kind of mandate and full approval would do the trick. >> you know, looking at desantis down in florida. he's a smart guy. he got vaccinated. he was doing the vaccinated thing, heavy on -- early on. now, he is going bad on it. is there advantage in playing up this don't-get-vaccinated movement, in terms of it being anti-institution? don't let big brother tell you what to do. the left is sneaky. fauci looks sneaky. do you that there is advantage for that, on the right? >> i do. if you are asking me, i think that there is. and -- and the data that i would point to is, you were talking about those areas of the country where vaccination lags behind the national average.

you know, chris, if -- if you did sort of an overlay of the 2020 election results and the vaccination rate, you'd see a hell of a lot of similarity. so it would help, i would think, desantis to be the don't-tread-on-me guy in primary season. whether he could sell that to suburbanites and win a general election, nationwide, that remains to be seen. >> so, we are seeing the cases come up, dr. wen. and we expected this. you and i have talked about this, a lot. once you get rid of the restrictions and the masks come off. we expected that. the hedge was the vaccine will take up the slack and help people not get that sick. it's not happening. and now, you are seeing the cases come up. what's your concern for fall? >> well, i was hoping that we could get through the summer. my prediction was that we would have a good summer. and then, we would see cases potentially surge again, in the fall.

it's already gotten bad and we are only in the middle of july. and i have to go back to what you and i talked about a while ago, chris, which is that the cdc really made a big mistake here by saying fully vaccinated people can take off their masks but not having any way to verify this. people are not behaving honorably. the unvaccinated are basically saying it's open season for me. i can do whatever i want, as well. and as a result, we did not incentivize people to get vaccinated. it was exactly the opposite. these restrictions got removed. people are doing whatever they want to and unfortunately, we are seeing surges, as a result. now, it's going to be really hard to put the genie back in the bottle and that's what i am afraid of. these states that have really low-vaccination rates. they need indoor-masking mandates, now. but that's not going to happen and so we are going to get more preventable deaths. >> it's not as easy, mike, to argue to mandate something that's not fda approved. you know, that -- that is an issue. private businesses can do it. states could do it. i just don't think they have leverage. what do you think happens, if

the cases go really high and people start suggesting, at the federal level, that you may want to think about significant measures, again? you are seeing them in california. do you think people will go for it? >> i am a little disappointed that i walk around with my wallet possessing a -- a vaccination card, proof of vaccination. i've never had to show it. and i'm acting -- i'm leading a pretty active life and, including, you know, flying several times in the last few weeks. like dr. wen, i'm a bit disappointed. i mean, look. you know the rules at cnn. you know that coming back to -- to work standard that's been set. i have the same thing at the law firm where i'm associated, chris. i like it. i like the fact that you have employers and private industry saying, you know, without regard to a religious exception for a medical condition, our expectation is you are going to be vaccinated. can i give you the statistic of the week? the statistic of the week is that every patient hospitalized in los angeles county, this

week, for covid. unvaccinated. or said differently. no vaccinated patient was hospitalized in all of los angeles county, this week, for a covid-related ailment. that's the kind of message that needs to be sent, i think, to the unvaccinated. you're taking a hell of a risk. >> yeah. you know, i was talking to somebody on the radio today. and i said, you know, ask yourself how much can somebody care about you if they encourage you to not get vaccinated? just think about it. just think about what that says about that person. and whether or not they care about you. michael smerconish, dr. leana wen, thank you, both. have good weekends. be well. all right. look. from the beginning, i mean, i really thought, boy, was i wrong, that the pandemic would be the great uniter. right? i mean, collective will out of common concern. i mean, what else was it? should have never been about red and blue. just life and death. but the vaccine-political divide is every bit as real as the

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how do we get more people to take the vaccine? some people say, stop asking them. you're making them nervous. you are feeding into their paranoia by pushing it so hard. what is the other side? the other side is have 'em try and make the pitch. how about a pop star? how about the nation's most famous doctor? will that work? the white house is banking on it with a new psa. take a look. >> wear your mask and get your vaccines. i need to see olivia rodrigo live in concert in the first row. get your vaccines. i am so excited to tour one of these days. >> if i tell you the greatest concert i ever been to, you are going to faint. the reason is i'm so old, it goes back to the late 1950s at the paramount theater in new york city.

which was a motown concert with the temptations, the fourth tops. i'm sorry. i'm a really -- i'm a really old guy. >> that's incredible. >> i want to get a needle. dr. fauci and olivia rodrigo tag teaming. crosses generational divides, look, anything can help, right? but this is about poison politics. it's about division. it's not just about ignorance. it's about animus. it's at level, now, where the numbers show even trump changing his tune might not have an impact. i, personally, don't believe that. but we're never going to know, because it doesn't seem like he has any interest in getting you to take the vaccine that he pushed, originally. the wizard of odds, harry enten, says forget about cuomo. listen to the numbers. all right. red-blue divide. what do you see? >> i'd say never listen to you. no. look. here is the situation. if you look at the counties, right, we always talk about the

states but i think the counties give you a good understanding. look at the counties that voted for biden. look at the counties that voted for trump. in may, you started seeing a little widening with the whether you counties that biden won, starting to get vaccinated at high levels and right now there is an over-ten-point divide in blue counties versus the red counties and it just gets larger every single day, chris. i go back and look at the numbers a week ago, two weeks ago. little by little by little, the blue counties keep moving up. the red counties, although they move up, it's just a tiny fraction. >> turns out that this is going to be very, very local if you want to shift it, right? you get doctors pushing the vaccine. you're better off than having rock stars. >> that's exactly right. i mean, look at who unvaccinated republicans trust. and this gives you everything you need to know. and what we know is that unvaccinated republicans trust their own doctor. that's who they trust. >> 70%. >> 70e%. look at dr. anthony fauci. just 15% of unvaccinated

republicans trust him as a source for vaccine information. he is not really speaking -- you know, he speaks to the people who, already, have gotten the vaccine. what we need is to make sure this is localized. that this is in doctors' offices, which the biden administration's trying to do. and by putting it in the doctors' offices, the doctor can convince them and then they get the shot, the same day. don't allow any time to waste. give them the shot the dsame da. it's their best chance. >> now, here is harry's favorite part of the show. called cuomo is wrong. i believe trump would make a difference. you say, take a look at the numbers, dummy. what do they show us? >> what they show us is just look at the people who are unvaccinated. if trump strongly urged you to get the vaccine, would you be more likely to get it? just 15% of the unvaccinated said, yes, they'd be more likely to get it. even among republicans, it's just 20%. oftentimes, we say the republican base will just go where trump tells them. i don't think that's necessarily

the case. it's certainly not the case here. oftentimes, it's about trump reading the base. and that, i think, is part of the reason why he has not come out and said, you know what? you should go get vaccinated. with as much vigor as you might normally expect. he has said you should but not with this much vigor. he know it won't work with them and he doesn't want to be quote/unquote a loser and say, look, i gave everything i could to people getting vaccinated. he doesn't want to go that route and these numbers tell you why. it's because most republicans, they don't even want to listen to donald trump when it comes to the vaccine. >> harry enten, you ever earned a good weekend. thank you very much, mr. wizard off odds. >> thank you, my friend. all right. there is a new-congressional investigation. okay? it's into a product of the big lie. which is what? in this case, the arizona fraudit. my next guest lives in maricopa county. that's where it's being conducted. a two-time trump voter. a well-known voice in phoenix.

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we are about to learn a whole lot more about what the cyber ninjas are up to with that so-called audit in arizona. the house oversight committee is now investigating. and an arizona judge just said documents, including who is paying for this thing, are public record. all this, after doug logan, head of cyberninja, and conspiracy theorist, told the arizona senate yesterday that after almost-three months of infrared light and hunts for bamboo fibers, they're still not done. you have to -- you really have to wonder, what arizona republicans who thought this was a good idea when it started.

what do they think, now? let's ask one. mike broomhead. host of the "mike broomhead show" on ktar radio. it's good to have you, brother. welcome to prime time. >> thanks for having me. >> so, just quickly, take us through why you liked it and why you don't like it, now. >> originally, you know, there had been -- going all the way back to the first time trump won when he beat hillary. the democrats thought something had happened, the election was stolen. so both sides of the aisle have, at one time or another, not had faith in the election system. >> uh-huh. >> state of arizona said we are going to do an audit of our elections. i thought if we could put the state stamp of approval on it, one way or the other, i didn't have an issue with it to begin with. but it was everything that happened after that started to get me to not like where it ended up. >> and where do you think it is now? >> i think it's too one sided. you know, the example i used, earlier today, was, you know, from a republican point of view, i thought it was one sided, what

adam schiff and jerry nadler were doing with the investigations. i thought it was a partisan investigation. when you hire a company, who said before the audit that they believe the election was stolen. when the head of the cyber ninjas is going on a documentary that's saying that the election was stolen in the middle of the audit. and you are only allowing a network that is a right-leaning network to have the pool feed for all of this. you're only speaking to one crowd and i thought that was the wrong thing to do. >> what have you learned about how people have gone bad on you by just speaking your truth about this? what does it tell you about what's happened on the conservative side of the ball -- what used to be that side of the ball is this. >> i just think it happens on both sides in the extremes. you know, when you get into twitter and you get into social media. there have been a lot of people that have been angry about it. i understand the passion. i really do. if you align yourself with somebody most of the time, and then all of the sudden, they are a loud voice against something you really believe in. so i don't take it too personally because most of those people don't really know me, anyway. and the people that do know me that have questions about why

i'm against this, now. they call me and ask me and those are the people that i -- i care more about, what they think than the ones that don't know me. >> all right. so let's talk about where we are. were you surprised when you found out i wanted you on my show? >> yeah, i was very surprised. um, i was pleasantly surprised i got to tell you try to bring on as many voices that are against, you know, that disagree with me because i think it's a better conversation. and i never imagined i would be asked to be on your show. so yes, i'm surprised and pleasantly surprised. >> i get my butt whooped for having on people from the right on a regular basis. the audience's response is general -- generally, to the fringe that you speak about. why do you give these people a chance to lie? and i say, not everything that you disagree with is a lie, by the way. you can disagree with somebody, and not like their position. doesn't mean they are lying. um, where -- how do we get out of this mess, brother? how do we get out of this? >> um, i think the best way out would have been to come out with a report that said, here are some things we found that we can do better. i think that would have been the

only way out. but what they are trying to do now or what they are saying now is more innuendo and that was my biggest fear that even at the end of this, we are no better off than we were at the beginning. >> right. >> you know, in arizona, we have six huge statewide races coming up in 2022, including the governor, the attorney general, and mark kelly's senate seat. so the republican point of view, there are big races we should be focused on and we are going to be going into '22 the way this looks with this audit. >> what do you think about just like the bigger battle? you know, that we have people not getting vaccinated and too many of them are not getting vaccinated because of some political position. >> well, you know what's interesting? the -- the -- the thing -- the numbers i have looked at. it is a little different than politics. i was fully vaccinated my very first opportunity. i went to our state farm stadium and was there at 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning on my two visits to get it done but i don't push people to do what they don't believe is right for them and

these are people that are hardworking, family people, busy. and i think they are not worried about getting the virus. the new information i think about this -- um -- about this variant and how contagious it is. i think it may motivate people, especially if they've got kids, to get vaccinated. i'm hoping that's the change. >> but why do you think -- if that's all it is, why do you think -- if it's circumstantial, why do you think that there is a growing gap in the counties that biden won, versus trump? >> i can't answer that. i can only go with what i look at here in arizona with the department of health services and i watch the numbers every day. and it's still that 20 to 44-year-old age group, that is getting and spreading it in the largest numbers but it is also the groups that's got the lowest numbers of vaccinations so i focus more on that without being condemning if they don't do it but try and convince them they got to do what is right for them but take a look at the numbers. >> what is your sense of what happens with your party going into the midterms and what the campaign's about? >> if -- unless somebody can come in just specifically in arizona, unless there are people that can bridge this gap of people like myself who are

detractors but would agree with them on 90% of the issues. which is interesting. if you and i talked issues over a beer, we would find a lot of things we disagreed on. but a few things we agreed on. it's different with this -- with the republican party. i'm in line with 90% of the time on major issues. >> broomhead. broomhead. is that your real name, by the way? >> yeah, that's my real name. i am glad you clarified that, you weren't making fun of me when you introduced me. >> listen. i didn't want to start off at a deficit. let me ask you something. i hear this a lot. what positions -- i will be honest with you. i do not have the intellectual curiosity to often form positions. to me, i test 'em. and some of the things that i do think more deeply about, usually, have more consequences. um, but, look, for me, it is just testing whatever's in front of me. but what is your sense about where we would not agree? >> probably, maybe, second-amendment issues, arizona is a very, very lenient state on firearms. i have been a firearms owner my entire life. and i like the laws in arizona. i think we have a very safe city here, in phoenix. and i think we've proven that,

just because you have lenient laws for law-abiding gun owners that it doesn't make your place more dangerous to live. maybe, that one? i'm very -- >> hold on, let's go one at a time. i am a -- i am a gun owner, by the way. >> okay. >> you probably didn't know that. most of you guys don't. but do you believe that all sales should be checked to make sure that people who are getting 'em should get 'em? >> i think most of the sales, already, are. but yeah, i don't have an issue with checking to make sure that people are legal-gun owners. i think a better way to solve the problem is the databases that are used when they do the background checks should be updated. >> i agree. >> and people on those lists should be on those lists. and that's not happening. >> do you think people who don't -- first of all, you got to do better with the paperwork, like you just said. do you think people who don't secure firearms and then they get used in a crime should be charged, as well? >> it depends. now, that's circumstantial. i don't know of all the circumstances. you know, i live by myself but i have five grandchildren. i have guns in my home that are accessible to me, just in case. i'm not paranoid.

just in case. but when my grandkids come over, everything gets put away and making sure that it's safe for my grandkids. so, you know, i understand the need for safely keeping guns. but are you talking about guns that are stolen? or are you talking -- >> if they are stolen, it's irrelevant. i'm saying if they are not properly secured and somebody gets them, which happens in a lot of shootings involving minors. often, the parents or wherever they got the gun from, you don't see that and it is a much bigger issue than people think. they don't usually prosecute them because the people have already suffered enough. one other bucket. do you believe there should be a limitation on the types of firearms people can get? like, if you can get something that is a big magazine, what they call assault rifles? >> i have no problem with people having those types of rifles and i will say this. nobody says we are going to limit the horse power you can have on a vehicle, even though the speed limit is 75 miles an hour. so you can buy a corvette. you can buy a maserati. you can buy a car. and then, when somebody does something horrible at a high speed and kills people. we don't blame the car, we blame the person on the gas pedal.

so, i don't have a problem with that. i would say to you, my definition would be this. if local-law enforcement has a need for a weapon, in order to fight crime, i may face that same criminal and i should have the same access. the ar-15 rifle, to me, is no different than any, other platform of rifle. it's the person that's holding it. and -- and i think we focused on that, we'd be better off. >> there's one problem with the metaphor. a car -- a car is designed to do many things. a weapon is designed to do one. >> right. it is. >> and that becomes the issue that, do you need that kind of weapon to keep yourself safe when it puts people at such an advantage over police? it puts innocent people at such a disadvantage. creates such a killing circle and so much ability to kill. >> so let me -- let me offset that with you remember the case in texas a few years ago where a man with an ar-15 went into a church and murdered people? he was stopped by a person with the exact-same rifle that was the good guy with an ar-15. so how do you know when you are going to need that rifle? i mean, that -- again, that's

the issue is you don't know what you're going to need or when you are going to need it. and it's only dangerous, in the hands of the wrong person. it's not dangerous, in the hands, like you said, you're a gun owner and i am, as well. we are no more dangerous when we're armed than anybody else. it's the dangerous people that we should focus on taking waepts out of their hands. all weapons. not just ar-15s but any weapon, any rifle, any gun. >> you know what the difference is? if we saw politicians having this discussion, this way, imagine how different the country would feel right now. not a single insult. not a weird face. not this broomhead is an empty head. this cuomo is a this and this and that and the ad hominyms. let's have a rolling conversation as we get more into issues becoming relevant and the takes as we go forward. i want to pause and see if i'm right about what the -- your party, nationally, is gonna do. they push the big lie,

nationally. if they push that the vaccine, you don't need to take it. if they play those games nationally, i think we are going to have a problem but i'm going to wait. i'm going to wait to give 'em a chance to prove me wrong. and when we start seeing what the battle lines are, i would love to have you on to talk our way through where the reasonable minds should be. >> all right. and i would love to have you on my show, sometime. >> done. one for one is a fair trade. brother broomhead, be well. you are welcome here. i hope you have a good weekend. is that you in the picture behind your shoulder? >> my brother tom was killed in iraq back on memorial day of '03. that is a memorial portrait of my brother. >> i respect your family for the service. the entire family serves. the entire family grieves the loss. i'm sorry for the loss of your brother. i respect his service. and i appreciate the service of the entire family. be well, god bless, and have a good weekend. >> you, too. >> all right. listen. i believe in that conversation. i know there are a lot of you saying, right now, oh, please, you don't need one of those -- he's not crazy, though, is he? he's not irrational. it's not like, you know, he's

got, like, tobacco dripping out of his face and all these other stereotypes you have, right? you don't look at me and think gun owner, right? maybe, you do. the point is, you can disagree on something but if you do it with decency, you don't wind up as messed up as we are right now. now, proof of performance. this immigration ruling today. dreamers are in trouble. a federal judge says the daca program that protects dreamers is illegal. and by the way, reading the decision, this is a lousy-legal basis that obama created out of what he felt was necessity. congress needed to do it right. they never have. hundreds of thousands of undocumented-young adults, who are busting their ass to make it in this country and doing everything the right way. they are just like your kids and mine. and they are, now, in a bad place. will congress take action? i say, nope! let's discuss, next.

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bolo. be on the lookout. the fate of hundreds of thousands of undocumented-young immigrants, known as dreamers, once again, in limbo tonight after a federal judge ruled in texas that the daca program that shields them is unlawful. the ruling was a response to a lawsuit brought by nine republican-led states, including texas, that argued daca placed an undue burden on their states. in his opinion, judge andrew hanen, a george w. bush appointee, ruled that president obama exceeded his authority when he created the program by executive order in 2012. that is not a novel-legal theory, by the way. the ruling does not immediately cancel current permits but it bars future applications. and it puts those on the brink of renewal, on shaky ground. right now, 650,000 dreamers.

people who were brought to the u.s., illegally, as children. do not fault them. you are wrong, to do that. do you understand? do your kids make those kinds of choices about where you go? it's about what they did, once they got here. okay? some of them -- some-200,000 of them are frontline workers who helped us get through the pandemic. they are not drug dealers with cantaloupe cabs and bad hombres. they are people busting their butts to make it in this country. the criticism, on the left, has been swift. and there are promises of appeal. in the meantime, texas-democratic congressman, wa ch joaquin castro and his twin brother are calling on congress to act. i say nope. congress remains the only body that can come up with a permanent solution. congress wouldn't do anything. everybody says they love the dreamers. even trump said it. of course, we are going to take

care of the dreamers. we are going to take care of the dreamers. nobody does so will the democrats find a way? if they don't, these rulings. they are going to keep coming. and these people are gonna be in bad shape. and it's wrong, and we all know it. now, let's talk about wrong situations and how to make them right. president biden wants to help people from cuba, he says. the pressure on him to do that. what's taking so long? let's talk to a congressman in his party calling him to act, now. why? and how? next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪

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the people of cuba are taking to the streets demanding freedom, of course that's what they want the most. they are in a regime that's held them down for generations. what they need that can be delivered right now by the united states is food, covid vaccines, internet. the communist regime responding

with aggression of course so do we go in with the military? do we take them out now? president biden says this is about the island nation that is less than 100 miles from our shores and this is what he says about it. >> cuba is a unfortunately a failed state in repressing their citizens. there are a number of things that we would consider doing to help the people of cuba but that would require a different circumstance or a guarantee that they would not be taken advantage of by the government. >> does that work for you? one of those who want more action in his own party, democratic representative from massachusetts, congressman jim mcgovern. >> good to be with you. >> why isn't biding pushing more and giving them medicine? how do they exploit medicine?

>> i love joe biden. there isn't a day that goes by that i don't thank god he's the president and not the other guy. i'm disappointed by his response. to the situation in cuba. two things need to happen. the cuban government needs to cut it out and respect the right of their people to engage in legitimate protests. i mean, the cubans as you pointed out are suffering. the people are hungry, there are medical shortages, the covid crisis is spiking. an uncertain future. the cuban government released those they arrest and turned the internet back on. the biden administration ought to do what the biden obama administration did and that is recognize our policy towards kau -- cuba last many decades, the has been a failure. sanctions have hurt average cubans. they haven't hurt the hard liners and cuban government, they have hurt -- >> you know what the push back

is, remove the embargo, you reward the people control in the communist state. >> well, when we began to ease things under the obama administration, we saw a different thing happen. one is people were, you know, people were saying more remittances to their families. you saw people supporting small businesses that were growing in cuba. you saw more political space strengthening of civil society. all those things are good. all those things help pave the way for a better future for the cuban people. trump, i mean, biden at a minimum ought to reverse trump's additional sanctions, one of which makes it difficult for a cuban american son or daughter living in the united states to send remittances to their mother to help them get through the difficult times, that's a rotten cruel thing trump did. we have to be able to reverse it right away. the cuban government will take advantage of that, certainly we

can figure out a delivery system to get it to the people who need it. but if we want to help the cuban people, enough of the cold war rhetoric. let get down to the business of formulating a new more constructive policy, one that actually helps the cuban people. >> why don't you just get them the medicine and food? you have 30 million astrazeneca shots sitting around. it's 90 miles off the shore. you could have gotten it there a week ago. >> from a humanitarian point of view, we have to figure out a way to get them additional medical supplies. >> why hasn't it happened? we do it all the time. >> there is a shortage of syringes in cuba. >> we have them. >> yeah, well, you know what? we ought to do it. i called on the biden administration to respond in a very different way than some of my colleagues are talking about in the congress. but we need a dramatically different approach and again, the obama biden administration was on the right track which

trump became president, he turned everything back and as a result, we see increased suffering on the island. >> difficult balance because when you show leniency, item boldens the government. jen pskai calling them socialist. just get them the medicine. let me ask you something else. daca, what's the chance congress does anything? is there a chance? >> i hope there is chance. the house actually passed a bill twice to help provide a pathway to regularize the status of data recipients and tps holders and essential workers. we have a challenge in the senate but this is yet another reason why we ought to get rid of the filibuster. the votes are there. the number of democrats and even republicans would vote for this but we have this thing called a filibuster so it's another reason to get rid of it. >> all right. congressman, appreciate the straight talk.

have a great weekend. >> you, too. all the best. >> we'll be right back.

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