appreciate you giving us the opportunity tonight. i'll be off the rest of the week. right now, i give it to "don lemon tonight". >> i know. i just saw you. you said i won't see you this week, i'll be off and i walk into the office and scared me -- the wits out of me. i thought i was seeing a ghost. >> first of all, i can't scare out of you what you don't have and duty calls when the botss says would you? >> are you saying i'm whitless? >> yes, that's what i was

saying, don. well done. >> proving your point. >> would you go to space? >> i feel like i'm with it with i'm with you i'm in out of space all the time. sure. why wouldn't i go to space? yeah, i would go. >> how many reasons you want? >> i don't think i would want to be the first. i want them to work it out, first, and then of course, i'd go. >> what if it's really expensive? >> you didn't ask me if i have to pay for it. that's a different -- >> fair point. given who i'm talking to, you would assume it's free. >> stop it. you know that's not true. yeah, i would go. i want to ask you about, also, what you had on arnold schwarzenegger. >> i did. >> the radio guy. what do you think -- >> mike broom head. >> what do you think the chances are that we're actually go gingo get out of this select committee. >> here is what i think. one, it's very indicative how many conservatives want to stay

away from it. partisan things and went at it with trump a little bit, was not a pleasant experience for him. he didn't want to talk about it. broom head will talk about that stuff more and look at him yourself. they don't want to talk about it. this was a mistake. you tried to make it a bipartisan committee. >> sorry, i'm just getting my -- >> sorry, go on. >> you tried to make it a bipartisan committee. they didn't want to do it. they turned away everything that the republicans said they wanted. you gave them. they still didn't want it because they wanted to invest gate black lives matter and anfifa but to give them these seats, now you're going to have these guys on there, jim jordan and the other ones, three out of the five denied. wanted to desert fy the electio.

come on man. >> you said this is democrats fault or republicans? >> democrats. why are you giving them the seat? >> isn't the country supposed to be about bipartisanship? then they will completely say it was a partisan undertaking. >> they will say it anyway. >> not with these guys on there, yes. >> that was the first thing jim jordan said, this is about getting trump. >> yes. my question is we're not going to get anything out of it. you answered my question. >> first of all, i was never a big fan of a investigation in the first place. the 9/11 was the standard. they didn't do it that way. look, we don't have the threshold of trust in congress right now. we don't have the men and women that can tchance sen transend t. any benefit of showing us how things broke down and where people should look, i think is lost. >> well, okay. so you answered my question but

i don't think it's actually fair to put it on the democrats because what would you have them do? there should be a committee to investigate what happened on january 6th and they should try to get the other side. it important to the country but you can't blame the democrats for -- or the republicans failing to do their job. how does that -- that doesn't make any sense. >> here is the sense. you're inviting me to your house. you want to have a nice party. an as an i come in there, i'm punching everyone in the face. you invite me anyway. that's on you. >> i'll invite a couple bouncers, too, that can check you. >> you can't have that, too. >> democrats should do that, invite bouncers to check the other side. >> no, jordan will be attacking everything. by the way, he happens to be pretty good at it in terms of who he's trying to court. >> so then should nancy pelosi veto him? >> she can't now. she got beat at her own game again because many ccarthy went public with the names, if she vetoes them, it will look like

politics and that she's silencing them. >> now you're blaming her for politics. i don't get it. i don't understand why you're blaming democrats for doing the right thing. >> they didn't do the right thing. >> yes, they did. >> how is that the right thing. >> because they don't want to do the work of the committee and now you're inviting them in to ruin the work. you tried to do it bipartisan. now you're doing it through a select committee. >> so you're telling me they can't win? . i don't understand your logic. >> i agree. you don't understand. >> it doesn't make sense. you're saying -- >> of course it makes sense. >> you're saying republicans are knot going to accomplish anything on the committee therefore it's the democrat's fault. nancy pelosi can't veto someone that will be bad for the committee because then it will make her look bad? that doesn't make any sense. it sounds like you're pandering to the right -- >> it doesn't make sense to you because i don't think you're thinking it through. i'll say it again. they tried to do a bipartisan committee. it got submarined by the

republicans. they got everything they wanted except looking at bl m&a ntifa. >> so they still try to do the right thing. much like the president. >> i don't see it as the right thing. you don't invite people into a process they want to destroy and expect to make progress. okay? would you put somebody on the bezos rocket who doesn't want to go into space and do anything he can to stop it? >> like you? >> is that what you want? >> no, listen, that's not the same thing. so you would have them just try to do it all democrats -- >> let the facts show -- let the facts tell the story. bring in the people. get the facts. and if you can do that, i don't love the vehicle of a congressional committee, but if they're going to do it, the best chance they had was to have it be democrats and let the facts speak where it doesn't matter who is on the committee. it's about the people that come before it. now, it's going to be a circus and the democrats didn't have to do it this way. the idea of saying democrats had

no choice. yes, they did. >> that's not what people are saying. >> that's what you're saying. >> put the ownest where it's on. that's republicans. they should have put people on there that could look at it objectively and they didn't and i think that's where the blame should be. i understand what you're saying. listen, i get what you're saying. i don't agree with it. i think the democrats in this process -- >> you're missing the point of the utility. >> i'm not missing the point. i'm not agreeing with you. i understand what you're saying. >> i'm saying -- >> i don't agree with that. >> just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have a good point. >> just because i don't agree doesn't mean you have a good point. >> if you listen, i'm telling you, watch the threads after this. they will be like he's right about this. >> i don't think so. >> if you want to find out what happened, don't invite people in that don't want to find out what happened. simple. >> keep inviting them and make them look bad just as if democrats weren't doing the right thing, keep inviting them. i think bipartisanship is here for bipartisanship as i've been

saying on this show. i think it is empty. i think in this particular thing, i think it's important for republicans to participate because this is more about the health of our democratic republic. it not about -- this should not be about politics and the more you bring that out and embarrass people, the more you show them up, the better because it shouldn't be who is a democrat and who is republican. it should be who is fighting to keep our democratic republic in check to keep our democracy. that's what it should be about. >> i agree. >> all right. >> but when you come out of fantasy land and back here on earth, when you get off bezos' rocket -- >> why don't we see what happens. let's see what happens. >> because i don't have to be naive about it. we've only seen what happens in these situations and now you invited it in a place to happen but let's not belabor the point. we'll watch in realtime. >> okay. they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

>> they aren't dammed if they do. >> i got to go. >> i love you d lemon. >> you, as well. i don't agree with you, you're wrong but i love you. this is "don lemon" tonight and we got close. we got so close. we got close to having a normal summer. we really did. maybe a little bit of it. a summer free from worries about a deadly virus. a summer free from worries whether we should be wearing masks, a summer free worrying of who is vaccinated and not. we got so close. and yet, so far. covid cases ard cases are risin single state. every state. and this is becoming a story about two americas about vaccinated america and unvaccinated america. the surgeon general says 99.5, are you listening, america, 99.5% of deaths right now are happening among, you got it, unvaccinated people. we got so close. and now the misinformation is pulling us back down. it's literally killing us.

the lies, conspiracy theories, those on right owning the libs ahead of the lies of their own supporters and president joe biden keeping up the heat on facebook over who is being called a disinformation dozen while clarifying what he said last week. >> facebook isn't killing people. these 12 people are out there giving misinformation and anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it. it's killing people. it's bad information. my hope is that facebook instead of taking it personally somehow i'm saying facebook is killing people, that they would do something about the misinformation. the out rrageous information abt the vaccine. that's what i meant. >> we are learning tonight that senior administration officials have been in touch with facebook behind the scenes for days as tensions between the white house and facebook have increased. but the fact is, is that we're now averaging 266 new covid deaths every single day. 266 every day.

virtually one of them, every one of them unvaccinated people. the delta variant sending young people to hospitals, and the american academy of pediatrics today says everybody over the age of 2 vaccinated or not should wear masks in school. that's how dangerous it is. dr. fauci with this stork warning today. >> for the unvaccinated, that means not only getting infected, that means some proportion of the people who are infected will get seriously ill requiring hospitalizations and in some cases, unfortunately, death. >> so this is not about republicans and democrats. a lot of this stuff shouldn't be about republicans and democrats, left versus right. people like to make it that way. right? politicians, right wing media. this is not. it shouldn't be. red states, blue states. this is about people's lives. but here is the thing. at least 20 states, most of them

run by democrats have fully vaccinated more than 50% of their population. those are the democratic states, right? but there are red states across the south that haven't even vaccinated 40%. and that's where, that's how the delta variant is taking hold. those are the facts. that's the truth. you think every single republican would put lives ahead of politics, especially now yet the former president, former guy who takes credit for the vaccines that were developed on his watch is talking out of both sides of his mouth pushing anti vax messaging. asked if the white house would urge him to speak to supporters and call for vaccinations, here is the press secretary jen psaki. here is what she said. >> we've seen almost every former president play a role in putting out a psa, making sure people understood in the country that the vaccine is safe and effective. we don't believe that requires an emboardered invitation to be part of.

>> the rise in covid cases and fears about inflation spooking the market today, i'm sure you've seen it. the dow sinking more than 700 points. biggest drop in a year. president biden down playing inflation fears and arguing his infrastructure proposals will drive prices down ahead of a key vote on the bipartisan deal on wednesday. in just a minute, though, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez will weigh in on that and kevin manccarthy made picks to investigate the january 6th insurrection. congressman jim jordan, you remember the former guy called him a bulldog wasting in time showing just how little he cares about the committee's mission to get the truth of what happened on january 6th. >> what do you hope to accomplish on the republican side of this investigation? >> we know what this is about. this is about going after president trump. you know, the democrats, they don't want to talk about

anything else. >> well, there you go. and that right there, that's why kevin mccarthy chose him to defend the disgraced former president, still the undisputed leader of the republican party, to defend the big lie and the big liar. the big liar. the white house with, you know, we all saw the whitewash -- i should say excuse me, we all saw with our eyes on january 6th a trump supporting mob trying to overturn our free and fair elections. that on the very day that the first capitol rioter convicted of a felony was sentenced pleading guilty to obstructing the counting of electoral votes. there he is. you see him inside the senate chamber wearing a trump shirt and carrying a trump flag. the judge today sentencing hog kins to eight months in prison,less than a year and a half at the doj wanted. district judge randall moss

saying and i quote here, he was staking a claim on the floor of the united states senate not with the american flag but with a flag declaring his loyalty to a single individual over the entire nation. when a mob is prepared to attack the capitol to prevent elected officials from both parties from performing their constitutional and statutory duty, democracy is in trouble. his words. democracy is in trouble. that's how serious this is right now. the leader of the far right proud boys pleading guilty today to burning the black lives matter flag of a historic black church in d.c. in the middle of the violent protrump protest in december. protests many now see as a leadup to january 6th. that as a capitol rioter who posted on social media said she was proud of what happened that day, pleads guilty today to a misdemeanor charge. proud. proud of an attack on the seat of our democracy.

is this america? is that what this country is supposed to stand for? it's not. kevin mccarthy makes his picks for the january 6th committee. three of the five voted to overturn the election results in arizona and pennsylvania. should nancy pelosi veto them? you know a good person to ask that? there she is. alexandria ocasio-cortez. she's here after the break.

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so tonight house gop leader kevin mccarthy picking five republicans that will investigate the deadly january 6th insurrection. the house speaker nancy pelosi reviewing his choices now. the come kom committee's first s next week and let's talk about this big development with representative alexandria y to . tank thanks for appearing. >> thanks for having me. >> the house minority leader kevin mccarthy selecting who he wants to be on this january 6th commission. jim jordan, rodney davis, kelly armstrong and troy nails. three of these members voted to overturn election results in arizona and pennsylvania.

do these pickls say anything to you about how seriously or not seriously the minority leader is taking this investigation, representative? >> yeah, i mean, absolutely. i think kevin mcelderry ka r tho -- mccarthy decided his role is to be chauffeur of the clown car and his job is to champion some of the most ludicrous irresponsible members of his party instead of centering some of the more even keeled and responsible members of his party and that's what he's decided his leadership is and what it means to this country. i think it's shameful but it will not stop democrats and it will not stop people who are actually interested in setting this country on the right track and trying to do their best to do so. >> should the house speaker, should nancy pelosi veto any picks before they officially join this committee? >> well, you know, i leave that decision to her but i think

she's well within her right when the minority leader decides to activate people to overturn the results of the election and not only active participants in the dangers and what we saw in the insure rec insurrection of january 6th and leaders and drum majors of the insurrection. she's within her right to veto picks. i think they are frankly insulting and kevin mccarthy and kevin mccarthy's picks are insulting not just on a party basis but to this country. >> i don't disagree with you on that. so let's turn now into infrastructure. the senate minority -- majority leader excuse me, chuck schumer filing for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this means that the key test vote is going to be on wednesday but the senate gop leadership again threatening to block that vote unless negotiators strike a deal on it separately you threatened to tank the

bipartisan infrastructure deal if the bigger $3.5 trillion spending proposal isn't passed at the same time. why tank infrastructure if it's not included? >> well, one of the things i was -- that i think is important is that last time we checked, the people of this country elected a democratic majority house. they elected a democratic senate and elected a democratic presidency and what that means with those votes they did not elect republicans to define and limit the aspirations of this presidency and did not elect republicans to define our infrastructure package and so if we're only going to send a bipartisan bill that republicans have largely written, that exxonmobil lobbyist have bragged about having influence in the contours over, an infrastructure bill that does not address the climate crisis and put millions of people back to work and does

not expand health care in this country, no, that should not be all that we pass. we should pass an enormous reconciliation bill that puts millions of people to work in good union jobs and helps really, you know, get us back on track in terms of the climate crisis, in terms of physical in infrastructure and health care. if we want to pass both of these bills together, that is a conversation we can have but we're not going to accept republican dominance when the people of this country have elected democratic 3majorities across the board. >> the $3.5 trillion spending proposal, i know you prefer a larger bill but you're calling it a progressive victory. why is that? >> i think it absolutely is a progressive victory and the reason for that is because if you look at the top lines of this bill, the expansion of medicare to include vision, health care and dental, when you include the civilian climate core, which is a major provision

that i interduroduced with sena markey as outlined in the green new deal and talk about record infrastructure investment in building thousands of ev chargers and infrastructure package of this scale without the progressive movement of everyday mepeople across the united states and working people of the united states. if people don't mobilize in demanding not just any job but good union jobs, a $15 minimum wage and expanded health care, we would not have the contours including child care. universal child care as outlined in this infrastructure bill to say that you don't just need a bridge but you need a babysitter to get to work, that infrastructure isn't just physical infra stustructure but social infrastructure you need

to have a job. you need all of that. it an enormous progressive victory. not just the number we wouldn't have gotten to 3 .5 trillion without bernie sanders of peter, a co-founder of the progressive caucus and the house, but we would not have that money going to the things that actually impact people in their everyday lives without the progressive movement, as well. that's why i think it's, you know, very much progressive victory because without this moverm -- movement we would be having tax cuts and refunds and the types of investments you may feel one investments do. >> have a lifelong impact on the structure of society, as well and how we move through that society but especially women when you look at child tax credits exand daycare and so on.

i'm sure you saw what happened at the stock market but there was talk about inflation. i want to talk about the fears of inflation. president biden pushed back assuring americans the price increases that they've seen hitting their wallets are temporary. now, last week you questioned the federal reserve chairman jerome powell and expressed concern over raising rates and what that could mean for marginalized communities. what are your biggest concerns over inflation, congresswoman? >> well, here is the deal with inflation is that if we do not get the root cause of these price increases right, then policy decisions could be made that could really negatively impact your life, boost unemployment, and again, increase interest rates and we do not want that. so it's really important that we get the diagnosis right into what is going into these price increases. when you look at what actual pries are going up, it's in very

specific sectors. if this was an overall inflation issue, we would see prices going up in relatively equal amounts across the board no matter the good. we know it's getting expensive. things like the cost of lumbar, cars whether new or used and other sorts of items that rely on shipping and shipping containers coming in from overseas. these are very sector specific, which means these are due to supply chain issues. that means that we don't have enough ports. that can accommodate all of the backed up ships that are trying to come in. it's because we don't have enough computer chips that are produced by just a hand full of factories in the world that go into these vehicles which are then causing a rush on used vehicles, and it's because of all of the, you know, all of the rush on demand to build and to remodel homes during lockdown. and the reason it's important for us to understand that is because the solution to that is

guess what? i infrastr infrastructure. we need to put in more money and more funding so we expand ports, so that we can add resilience to the supply chain. that's what we can do if we get the right. we actually support these infrastructure investments and make sure that we protect not just the size but potentially make it bigger. if we get it wrong, if we say this is inflation that this is an inflationary trend, et cetera, what is going to happen if we get it wrong? we put policy pressure and political pressure on the fed to increase interest rates, which will drive up the rate of unemployment, which is the exact opposite thing that you want to be doing in such a fragile state of our economic recovery post covid. so that's why it's so important we get this right and put the politics aside. >> i want to get a break in. can i keep you over the break. i've been wanting to talk to you about this. >> absolutely. >> i want to talk about critical race theory right after this break. don't go anywhere.

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we're back with alexandria ocho asio ocasio-cortez. do you think republican efforts to redefine it and use as a scare tactic, do you think it working? >> i think it's working because what we have seen is that will ro p republican base and party is pivoting to using race and the changing demographics of this country and as we saw on january 6th, using a white supremacist

core logic to have a fear of the other every and so what is really important is that we come together and have a very strong rebuttal to the core logic, not just in fact checking republican claims we actually confronting the core logic and addressing the core fears they're trying to really tap into when they try to use terms like critical race theory, as a proxy for just saying talking about race in schools in general. >> you know, in places like texas and elsewhere, really, we're seeing bills banning teaching of critical race theory paired with laws making it harder for minorities to vote. why do you think this is being m pushed at once? i think this critical race theory is to win back some of the folks in the suburbs,

educated white people and what the best way to do that is give them fears about their children. >> absolutely. i think that's certainly a strategy that they have and in order to do that, especially at a school level and a school board level in some states they can access the base. they are using race as access to the core and seeing this paired with a very strong push to essentially disenfranchise and limit the right to vote as well as the supreme court continuing to gut the voting rights act and when we say how we continuer this, it's not just fact checking in basic claims, which is still important to do. critical race theory isn't taught in elementary school, it's barely taught in law schools in the level it should be taught but beyond that because we know republicans have started to now use this -- these

laws curtailing curriculum that isn't being taught in the first place as a proxy to saying we can't teach anything about race in our schools beyond just some of the most minu minimal, minim facts -- >> but -- >> to that -- >> go ahead and finish your thought. >> to that we should say why don't you want our schools to teach anti racism? why don't republicans want their kids to know the tradition of anti racism in the united states? why are republicans trying to ban books in this country? why are republicans trying to ban speech? why are they trying to fire certain professors? why are they attacking the core roots of history in this country that strays anything beyond what two already know?

in fact, you have folks like kevin mcelderryccarthy making ss like he never read martin luther king in his life trying to ban books that actually talk about the history of the civil rights movement and institutional racism of the united states. so why don't republicans want us to learn how to not be racist? why don't republicans want kids to snow how to not be racist? >> well, they're saying it's too young -- >> that's the question that eliminates this. >> they say it's too young and makes -- it gives -- it makes white kids feel bad and gives guilt about being white at too young of an age and they shouldn't be taught that guilt at all or anything that gives them that. >> here is the deal. here is something that we know neuro cognitively. babies when exposed to family members, neighborhoods, et cetera of one race, their eye

contact, we know from neuro scientists, et cetera, socio sociologists, et cetera, babies already start to gravitate towards members of their own race when they're disproportionately expose the to one race in their life. it doesn't mean babies are racist but it means we already start to gravitate towards communities and people we know are already acclimated to. children don't feel guilt about racism when they learn early on what racism is. in fact, children learn to recognize it and can engage in corrective behavior early. what does feel guilty are the adults that allow racism to happen in their lives and when their children acknowledge it better than their lives do and that, i don't think children feel guilty. i think there is a responsible way for us to talk about how to be peaceful and treat each other

with respect and we use and republicans are using these words like critical race theory, which again is a law school curriculum that is not even taught in schools, and their argument is well, some teachers may be exposed to it. oh, wow, so your child's teacher is not -- is anti racist and actually fluent in how to dismantle racism in the dynamics of racism in a close room. >> yeah. >> that is something that teachers should know how to do and republicans are trying to ban this, are trying to ban us from knowing our own history because if we don't know our own history, then it is easier for them to ban -- it is easier for them to curt tail our rights to vote and take us pack wards to the 1960s as they have been doing with many state laws. >> congress woman, thank you so much. >> of course, thank you. >> thank you. multiple american olympians testing positive for the

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at least two more members of the u.s. olympic team will be sitting out the games after testing positive for covid-19, american gymnast cara acre and

basketball player katy lou samuelson both testing vaccinated even though they are fully vaccinated. joining me to discuss dr. sanjay gupta joining me live from toke . it's been a long day, 24 hours. i've been watching you since this morning on cnn. this morning here in the states. listen, sanjay, we're already seeing more than 60 covid cases tied to the olympics and games. the games haven't even started yet. with vaccinated and unvaccinated people gathering from hundreds of countries, don't you think this was bound to happen? >> yes. i do, don. i think this has been the sort of challenge all along. you talk to the conference organizers and they say we would expect positive cases. about half those cases by the way, don, are from japanese locals. about half from international athletes but as you point out,

we haven't really even begun yet so those numbers are likely to go up. one thing i want to point out. if you ask people what is the breakthrough infection rate in vaccinated people? what is it? we keep hearing it rare. it's hard to know because in the united states, testing has come way down since the end of last year. if you're vaccinated, you probably haven't gotten tested again, right unless you have symptoms of some sort so i don't think we know the breakthrough infection rate. i think the olympics will teach us and show us because you have people coming from all over the world and they are not all vaccinated because some countries don't have enough vaccines. we'll get a better idea how common these breakthrough infections really are. >> so then you think it's a good sign they're catching these cases, meaning that they're, you know, discovering them. does it show that these safety measures are working? >> yeah. i think if you look at the two biggest things, the testing and

the fact that they're really trying to corden off the olympic village from the rest of japan, those things will probably make the biggest difference. things like plexiglass and things like that just don't work. that was 2020 early pandemic sort of thinking. we now know this virus can act like an aerosol and puff of smoke than respiratory droplets. all of that testing probably does make a difference. if people develop an infection but surprised. i had no symptoms, minimal symptoms shows the vaccine is working and protocols are doing their job. if you get a situation with lots of transmission or people start to get sick, then, it's really going to raise the question should we have done this in the first place? japan has 12% vaccination rate. 80% of the people that have been polled said they would have preferred the olympics not be here because the numbers are going up and sense this could be a problem. we'll see but, you know, these

are exactly the concerns people have laid out for months. >> you can't blame them for feeling like that. we're seeing stars like gymnast simone biles posting videos on social media showing how excited they are touring the area, thousands of athletes descending on this olympic village. what safety measures are they putting in place? i imagine they have to be extremely stringent and quite frankly, i was surprised to see people out and about enjoying themselves, sanjay. >> i think those are unusual sort of things. to really get out of the bubble if you will, out of the village or hotels we're in, which are all approved by the ioc, you have to be gaquarantined for 14 days. so what is life like really inside the village for folks, i mean, it's pretty isolated, don. it's very different than olympics people are used to seeing. people are generally by themselves. if someone is close contact of someone who tested positive, they're going to be in their own hotel room and have designated vehicles for then.

th they're just by themselves. they're going to eat by themselves. there aren't spectators here. it's a different mood. it's still the olympics. there are incredible competitions that are about to p haen but what you see on the screen is what life is like mostly for a lot of these athletes. >> feels like we're back in mid 2020 again with all the stuff going on. early 2020 i should say. sanjay, thank you. be safe my friend and i'll see you soon. okay? >> you got it. >> thank you. >> thanks. from election lies to anti vaccine rhetoric we're living in an age really where disinformation is putting us behind where we should be and putting democracy and people's lives at risk.

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okay, welcome back. let's go straight to matthew dowd, former chief strategist for former president george w. bush. he is the author of hey new book that can be preordered on amazon. we'll talk more as it gets closer. good evening you to. we've seen so much covid misinformation from the right and their media allies. listen to this tonight, this is from sean hannity. >> please take covid seriously. i can't say it enough. enough people have died. we don't need any more deaths. research like crazy, talk to your doctor, your doctors, medical professionals you trust based on your unique medical history, your current medical condition, and you and your doctor make a very important decision for your own safety. take it seriously. you also have a right to medical privacy. doctor/patient confidentiality is also important. it makes sense for many

americans to get vaccinated. i believe in science. i believe in the science of vaccination. >> i'm not sure what doctor/patient confidentiality -- anyway, what do you think of tucker carlson's a anti-vaccine rhetoric? >> i don't know what the motive is behind sean hannity fundamentally changing his course on this. we'll see if he tells the truth tomorrow night. he's not consistent on telling the truth. he's consistent on telling stuff that isn't true. it's like the guy selling gasoline in the neighborhood and all of a sudden the neighborhood is on fire and he says go out and buy a fire extinguisher. he's caused part of the fire of unvaccinated in america. it's good that he's finally turned the corner.

i would bet there's some motivation behind doing it tonight that we don't fully understand. i'm glad he's done it. but he's one of the people responsible for where we are today. >> let's talk about the president walking back what he said about facebook killing people. but he is calling on facebook to be more aggressive in combating the vaccine lies. how much can he do or be blamed for folks not getting vaccinated when conversation on vaccines are really increasingly based on politics and not facts, a lot of that is happening in right wing media and also on social media. >> i don't think you can blame the president. the president's done everything he possibly can to try to get people, encourage people to get vaccinated. he obviously speeded up the process of distribution. he expanded the process of distribution. you can't blame him. who you can blame is the former president, president trump. you can blame many of the people, the anchors on fox news.

you can blame republicans in congress who have tried to convince people, it's no big deal, don't worry about it. you can plblame the ecosystem o the republican right that doesn't want to believe any science or facts. don, this is a greater example of the virus that exists in america, which is a virus of lies. and that to me is the most dangerous thing. yes, it affects the pandemic. but it also affects every other issue. it affects climate change. it affects the facts on guns. it affects our democracy. it's fundamentally the ignorance that exists and lies that have been spread that are fundamentally destroying democracy in our country. as bad as the pandemic virus was, the virus of untruth is a much worse virus that we're faced with in this country today. >> matthew dodd, i owe you some extra time the next time you

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