i went to europe and watched the rest of the heads of state react to me -- not me because i'm the president of the united states of america. and here's what happened. it's the first time i ever felt like you always hearsay leader of the free world. i realize when i'm sitting across from putin i know, he knows who i am. i know who he is. he knows i can say what i do and do what i say. it's the first time i've felt the notion when i am in the office the leader oof the free world. and we must be the leader of the free world. if we don't do it no one is likely to do it or has the capacity to do it. i really mean it. i genuinely mean it. it's the thing, don, the only time -- and by the way the first time i walked down the stairs

and they played hail to the chief, i said where is he? i'm not kidding. >> it's a great tune, isn't it? >> it's a great tune but you feel a little self-conscious. you think i'm kidding. i'm not. but i am not at all self-conscious about the power that goes with the office as relates to resolving issues. these are issues i've dealt with my whole life. whether i'm good or bad i have more experience coming into office than anyone who's ever held that office. i have done -- i've been deeply steeped in foreign policy, the justice system, the -- not that i'm right. i don't mean that. but nothing has come before where i've gone i never thought, you know, what the difference is. i used to kid barack, who's a good friend, president obama. and you know at one point i was always the last guy in the room for real. and every important decision i

got to give my advice -- i'd be it last guy before i walked out. and one day he thanked me and i said, mr. president, here's the deal i should be paying you not you me because i get to give the advice and then i get to leave. no, i'm serious. think about it. the one thing that is real, that is different and i feel comfortable with it but it is you're the last guy in the room. you decide is the decision i'm about to make will that cause war, will it cause conflict? is the decision i'm about to make is it going to hurt people, is it going to help people? that's the part that is different. but the living conditions, i mean it's such a great, great honor to live in the white house. but, quite frankly, i kid the vice president like one day barack came over to naval operations, the vice president's residence which is on about i

guess 80, 90 acres and it's a beautiful, beautiful spot and there's a fence around the whole property. >> i bet you miss that, don't you? >> i do. and barack came over and he said this is grade. and i said trade the only thing the power goes with it. but there it was totally different. you can walk out in your shorts with a short sleeve shirt on and you can walk around and there wasn't anybody there. you can't walk out anywhere now. but i'm not complaining. i'm trying to answer your questions as honestly as i can. i just -- it's the greatest honor i think could ever be bestowed on an american that a majority of the american citizens said i want you to lead the country. and it's a great honor -- a great honor when you have presidents and prime ministers and the rest of the world saying, you know, what does the united states think? you're the leader of the free world.

i was able to go to the g7 and change their mind about a whole range of things. they never once had included china in any criticism of what was going on. they're very reluctant to be able to be in a position -- you and i have talked about this, about whether or not they're going to do business with china in a way that, you know, pushes america aside. all of a sudden if you notice we're getting a great deal not because of me but because of the administration i put together and america's back, traditional america is more back. and they're willing to follow us, i think. >> well, mr. president -- mr. president, here's the deal. mr. president, here's the deal. i'm the last guy that gets to ask you questions tonight. >> uh-oh. >> yeah. and then i get to leave. thank you. i appreciate it. >> appreciate it. >> we're so glad you guys are here. thank you to our audience for

being here and the president of the united states. we want to thank mount saint joseph university for housing us. ac 360 starts right now. good night. and good evening, president biden came into tonight's cnn town hall with just six months in office behind him. all the same pressing forward on his agenda as someone who knows how little time he might have to get it done. it was clear job one remains covid with the virus taking a greater and greater toll every day on the unvaccinated. the economy was also a big part of the conversation. both the town hall and back in washington with the president defending his infrastructure plan but also the goal of doing it with bipartisan support. there was more, of course, but want to get some first reaction from our panel here starting with cnn political commentator david axelrod. david, you worked with vice president biden during the obama

administration. how do you think he did tonight? >> i think he did fine. if the presidency were sort of decathlon, this is sort of his event, right? he gets to talk to people, emoat, he doesn't have to color in the lines in terms of time. i think he did fine. it also underscores there are very challenging questions. i thought the most interesting thing and you touched on it was his insistence on his belief in the fact that republicans and democrats can actually get things done. he ran on that. i think he fundamentally believes it. he seems confident that this infrastructure bill will happen. and even on the voting rights question, i thought it was really revealing when he said i do not want to throw this congress into chaos so we don't get anything done. i thought he was very honest about that. not going to please everybody on the left in his own party clearly, but i think it probably resonated with a lot of

americans. >> it was interesting, though. he did say the well has been so poisoned but clearly does still talk about bipartisanship and believes in trying to get -- have that. >> exactly. and he's working on maybe the one issue. i don't want to sound too pessimistic about let's be realistic, the one issue that is really achievable and at his fingertips, which is infrastructure. yes, they had a failed procedural vote today, but that kind of masks real progress that is still going on behind the scenes. and that's according to not just democrats but republicans who i'm talking to about this bipartisan bill. that would be a huge win not just on the substance but on keeping the campaign promise that he talked again about today that you were referring to, actually doing something that is -- that people will be able to feel. talked about the bridge that they want to fix there in cincinnati in their communities

and infrastructure is one of them. voting rights, all those other things which are as much as he wants to get it done in a bipartisan way they -- and historically have been done in a bipartisan way, very much so. right now they haven't been done in a bipartisan way. >> it's so notable. he called out he's in the state of ohio, once a swing state. we'll see if that remains true, but called out the two republicans in that state -- senator rob portman and governor mike dewine. and made a very clear point that he believes they are people of integrity. he believes that they believe that he can come to the table in a good faith way. he says that republicans know that he keeps his word. he doesn't lie to them. and that's the joe biden in terms of the kind of atmospherics of it all. he's governing in this sort of moderate way in an atmospheric way. but then on the flip side of

that, the policy is very progressive. the policy is not, you know, moderate. this is someone who was proposing $3.5 trillion in spending in a reconciliation bill on top of over a trillion dollars in spending on an infrastructure bill. so you have both joe biden showing up there saying i'm going to fight for liberal priorities, but i'm going to do it in a way where i think i can still reach across the aisle. and he is steadfast in that. it is, you know, very unusual i think balancing act he's trying to do here. and not very many politicians can actually -- >> he makes it hard, though, for republicans to attack him for that very reason. though he's proposing all these things, he's sort of selling it in a very joe biden kind of way. >> exactly. i mean, you know, republicans are having a hard time -- they actually say pretty straight forwardly we know you like the guy but just keep in mind his

policies are "x," "y," and "z," and it comes across as the fact biden is difficult to demonize but at the same time pushing forward with these very aggressive policies and doing so as you just said as if the clock is ticking because it very much is. >> i do want to play something he said about bipartisan in response to the infrastructure bill. >> republicans who try to paint you and your party as anti-police. >> they're lying. no, look, never once -- we have to change police conduct. >> that was obviously the wrong clip. we'll talk about policing a ilt little bit later on, but he defend himself, scott, on bipartisanship. >> he talks like a moderate. as was said he governs like a progressive.

he has produced a lot of progressive policies i would suspect made a lot of people on the far left pretty happy and maybe surprised at how progressive he has been. i think his best traits were on display tonight from just a purely political perspective and reminded me of why he beat donald trump last year. on the pandemic he appears to be sincere about giving a damn about the american people and what we've been through on this pandemic. it's what donald trump could never get right and it's what he got right. it was on display tonight. he was sharp on the vaccines and honest about the vaccines. it was wise for him to bring up they've been in development there 20 years to try to negate the argument well, they just got developed over a period of months. look, i don't agree with a lot of his policies. i was very unimpressed with him on ininflation. he honestly didn't give a satisfactory answer to the guy who owns the restaurants about i can't find people to hire. but where he is very difficult

to beat we saw it last time around, he still got it is just on this issue, look, we may not all agree and we may have our differences, but i do sincerely care about what you've been through and about what we need to do to get out of it. and it's frankly why if you look at all these opinion poll, his highest job approval number is on handling covid. you go down the list and i think that's why he's above water because of that trait right there. >> he made a little news on it, too, i thought by saying there would be an answer from the cdc on vaccines for children by the fall. which i think was probably welcome news for a lot of -- >> that was newsworthy and the fact he said he thought kids under 12 should be wearing masks in schools. it's newsworthy but he said he expects schools to be open which will also land -- i don't like it my four kids are going to be running around with masks but i can tell you having four kids at home who needed to be in school i was unhappy the schools were

closed. and i think a lot of parents are in that boat. >> i think don lemon spoke for a lot of people when he said are you going to protect voting rights with the filibuster? the joe biden bipartisanship is probably at its best on infrastructure. it's unbelievable. if he can pull this off, if he can be as progressive as he is but also bring on republicans, that is a vindication of joe biden's bipartisanship, and i think it's going to happen. but when you're talking about voting rights you have pain and panic at the base of this party about what's going to happen if all these attacks on voting rights go attacked and i thought don lemon was speaking for 40 million people when he looked him in the eye and said are you going to protect voting rights, are you going to protect the filibuster? you can't get away from the fact

democracy is under some threat here, but the other three challenges i think joe biden has and democrats have, inflation, crime and covid. those are the three big threats. those are the marbles on the spheres for democrats going forward. on inflation i thought he gave a good answer. i hope it's temporary. but on the crime question he went into the gun control argument, which nobody believes he's going to get anything done about. and on the covid question i think he's strong. but for me there's pain and panic on voting and he didn't have great answers. >> i do want to play something he said on covid because he was factually wrong, and i think it's important to point that out. let's hear what he said. >> one last thing that's really important is we're not in a position where we think that any

virus including the delta virus which is much more transmissible and more deadly in terms of nonvaccinated people -- the various shots that people are getting now cover that. you're okay. you're not going to -- you're not going to get covid if you have these vaccinations. >> which is obviously not the case. dr. lena wen is joining us. doctor, that's something you picked up on clearly. >> right. i was actually disappointed by president biden's speech tonight or his answers tonight because i actually thought he was answering questions as if it were a month ago. he's not really meeting the realities of what's happening on the ground. we now have triple the number of infections in the u.s. versus a month ago. we have escalation in cases all over the country because of the delta variant. and we actually don't know the answers to a lot of questions. he was talking about how if you

get the vaccine you're well-protected from having severe disease. that's true. but we actually don't know how well you're protected from mild illness, and whether with the delta variant if you're vaccinated could you still be contagious to other people? >> we don't know the answer to that. because that's a crucial question. can you pass it onto your loved ones, can you pass it onto your children? >> that's right. here's what we do know. we know the vaccine reduces your likelihood of carrying the virus and the amount of virus that you would carry. but with the delta variant, a person infected with the delta variant carries 1,000 times the amount of virus compared to previous variants. and so that's the problem. we don't actually know about this transmission question. and i think that president biden actually led people astray when he said if you're vaccinated you can take off your mask. we don't know that. i think he let go of a really important opportunity tonight. i think he could have said to the audience you all are protected because everybody here is vaccinated. you're safe if you're vaccinated

and everybody around you is vaccinated. but if you are vaccinated and are around people who are unvaccinated, you should be keeping a mask on. getting the vaccine can save your life, but i actually think that president biden's message could have led people astray. >> i mean, i'll be honest. i think from a political perspective he was as sharp on covid and as on the vaccines as he was on anything because his job is to get people to get the vaccine. they don't expect him to walk around in a lab coat or whatever. but his job is to express optimism about the vaccines being effective. i believe it's true that if you get the vaccine you are highly unlikely to die or be in the icu, which is what he said. >> that was clearly his goal. >> he oversold it. >> yeah, he did oversell it. but he also has this -- he wants

to get people vaccinated. i think there's a real recognition as he kind of articulated that hearing from him isn't necessarily the way to get those people who need to get vaccinated, vaccinated. they have to hear it from people they trust who are closer to the ground, their ministers, their doctor, their neighbor. but i think he had a strategy tonight. i take dr. wen's point, and she's certainly right about the dangers associated with this variant. but his strategy was to go in there and try and calm the country down a little and say there's an answer, the answer is to get vaccinated. >> sorry. there was also another moment and we have the bite in which we'll queue up in a second, which was about he sort of made fun of folks on fox and elsewhere who are now giving advice that people should go out and be vaccinated and then corrected himself saying, you know what actually i shouldn't be making fun of this, this is good. and it certainly is because you want that message. >> that's what the white house

wanted, and they are starting to get what they wanted. i just will say i was watching with another network next to our television, and the exact opposite message was being sent as the president was speaking on cnn giving that -- making that plea. but, you know, i wonder what dr. wen would think of this. just anecdotally i know we all know people who are vaccinated and feel safe who have gotten covid and haven't ended up hospitalized but have ended up pretty sick compared to how we thought we would be when we're vaccinated. so what i wonder just from a public health perspective and frankly a political perspective because it's about expectations is whether you say if you, the unvaccinated, don't get your vaccines you're going to continue to allow this virus to mutate and for variants to be as -- as infectious as they are. and it will make it impossible for all of us to be safe.

maybe it's more nuanced than he can be, but that is the reality of what's happening right now. >> let's play what he said. >> one of those other networks are not a big fan of mine, one you talk about a lot. but if you notice as they say in the southern part of my state, they've had an alter call some of those guys. all of a sudden they're out there saying let's get vaccinated, let's get vaccinated. the very people before this were saying -- but i shouldn't make fun. that's good. it's good. it's good. we just have to keep telling the truth. >> i mean, it is good, and he shouldn't make fun of it. and the fact that -- there's no coincidence here. sean hannity, steve scott, i mean obviously the republican hierarchy has seen something that tells me we can't keep going down this road, at a minimum as a political matter

but they got it as a moral and health care matter. but there's no coincidence here. so the fact they are coming onboard is a good thing. too late, yes. good thing today, yes. >> half the country has not been fully vaccinated. >> and by the way, we're never going to get to 100% on this. we won't get to 100% on anything. 36% of people get a flu shot, which is crazy to me, too. if he's republicans come onboard and these media types come onboard, that is a good thing and he ought to celebrate it. and i think democrats ought not take the opportunity to make fun of it. >> in florida ron desantis was speaking up this week about the vaccination issue in his state trying to get people to get vaccinated. but one thing he did talk about is feeling like there's a risk here in telling people there are not enough benefits to vaccination. saying to them, well, if you're vaccinated you still have to wear your mask all the time. he believes that that actually discourages people from getting vaccinated. so this is what the white house is trying to balance. i think that in an ideal world,

sure, they would probably like for more people especially in high transmission states whether they are vaccinated or not to wear a mask but recognizing that in some places in parts of the country the places where biden's words are the least effective, that kind of message could end up backfiring at a critical time when they need people to just understand something that's pretty black and white. if you get the vaccine, you are probably not going to die or be hospitalized as a result of this virus. >> the president was also asked tonight about the january 6th committee, the back and forth between speaker pelosi and house minority leader kevin mccarthy. let's listen in. >> you know the republicans removed all their picks today for the january 6th select committee. nancy pelosi rejected two of them. the first thing i want to ask is what's your reaction to that. but number two, if republicans and democrats can't come together to investigate the biggest attack on our capitol in 200 years, what makes you think

they can come together on anything? >> these people. no, i mean it. i'm not being facetious. democrats and republicans. i don't care if you think i'm satan re-incarnated, the fact is you can't look at that television and say nothing happened on the 6th. you can't listen to people who say this was a peaceful march. >> and kaitlan collins is our chief white house correspondent. she was in the halls tonight. what do you make of what you heard? >> reporter: well, it's notable because this is really the first time he's weighed in on what's happening with this commission given all of the developments we saw today where pelosi rejected two of those members that of course kevin mccarthy wanted to put on that panel, two of those republicans who had voted to overturn the results of the election. he responded by withdrawing all of the republicans he had submitted to be on that panel. and president biden was saying

essentially we have to view this from a perspective of reality, of what actually happened that day because what he was alluding to there by saying it doesn't matter what his opinion is of him and his politics, you can't ignore the reality of what happened there today. what his politics are, what republicans politics are. he was saying you have to have a clear-eyed view of what actually happened on january 6th. as we know some of the republicans that kevin mccarthy wanted to put on that panel were ones that have denied reality, some of them have tried to whitewash or down-play the riot that happened on the capitol that day. so he seemed to be supportive of speaker pelosi's moves. we know our sources have told us they're very differential how it is what the house speaker wants to see on that panel, what that is going to look like and how that investigation is going to end up. we're going to take a quick break. we'll talk about the panel with our panel right here as well. be right back.

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we discussed this before the break, house republican leader kevin mccarthy's decision to pull five of his members from the select committee january 6th of speaker pelosi vetoed two of his choices. both voted in the same chamber that was barricaded against a violent just before to overturn election results. congressman mccarthy this to say. >> house democrats must answer this question. why are you allowing a lame duck speaker to destroy this institution? this is the peoples house not pelosi's. >> now, keeping them honest congressman mccarthy who accuses the speaker of destroying the institution voted to overturn the election results hours after the attack ended and the in wake of it he drummed congresswoman liz cheney out.

she said this about speaker pelosi's decision. >> i agree with what the speaker has done. >> and also of course mccarthy wants to become speaker next year. do you think he deserves to be speaker in the aftermath of his actions here? >> i think that any person who would be third in line to the presidency must demonstrate a commitment to the constitution and a commitment to the rule of law. and minority leader mccarthy has not done that. >> so let's talk about it with our team. david, was it a mistake for pelosi to do this? >> no, listen, i think you got to go back to the rubicon that was crossed. when there was an opportunity to create a 9/11-style commission, five republicans, five democrats each with the ability to veto subpoenas and so on, a real fact finding commission, the republicans opposed it. and they opposed it, and it was very clear and it was reported at the time because they felt like the results of it would be an embarrassment. and it would be a particular embarrassment to the former president of the united states.

and so they couldn't countenance that especially going into the mid-term elections. so once that happened they adopted a strategy, which is anything they do we're going to call partisan. and they sort of by putting jordan and banks on this committee, guys who are january 6th deniers, they essentially really were baiting pelosi. and they're doing what you know i would do. they're saying this would be a partisan exercise, but it would be an anti-exercise if you have people on the committee who are there simply to blow the thing up, and that's what those guys were there to do. >> and the speaker knew very well that they were doing exactly what david said, baiting her into saying no way, those two have no business being on this committee because they don't agree on the basic set of facts that you need to agree onto setout on a mission. >> so she's faced with does she take the bait, she knows it's

bait or not. >> exactly. so what she settled on at the end was that no matter what she does politically they're going to attack her. and if they're on the committee they're going to attack her from within. if they're not, they're going to say this is just a political farce, so she did what she knew was right which is how can you have a committee with people on it who don't believe in the basic idea that this is even necessary, that even what we saw like what the president said happened before our eyes? >> and i think we often forget, i mean kevin mccarthy has had so many transformations in the six months or so since january 6th. but that day he said that donald trump was responsible for what happened on that day. and yet he stands here with the outrage that you saw -- >> which was more outrage than he actually expressed about the attack i've got to say. >> exactly. and the point is i think

mccarthy is not -- he has been trying to navigate this himself. and the objective really is just to try to get out of the situation. he doesn't want to talk about it, doesn't want to investigate it. even i don't think really want to have a jim jordan and jim banks on that committee investigating speaker pelosi. i think he believes the best thing for republicans is to just not be there at all, and that is ultimately where we are in this situation. >> i just want to play what speaker pelosi told our manu raju today. >> what was it about jordan and banks in particular? >> that was not the criterion i told you yesterday. >> yeah, what was the criterion? >> read my statement. >> what do you make of the calculus? >> look, i think she was put in a no-win situation. it's not just they voted against the thing, it's that they've

been out there deliberately undermining the process before it even started. and they're going to have access to sensitive documents. i think at the end of the day that becomes very scary because you're going to have a process that needs to have some integrity. there are, you know, really bad and dangerous people who were involved in attacking america's government. these people are very, very dangerous. information may be shared inside that committee, and you don't want it to end up in the wrong hands. so i think she was put in a very bad situation. she could have rolled the dice and it becomes a clown show internal, but it could also become very dangerous external. i think she had to put together a bipartisan group that could work and function. she was not allowed to do that by kevin mccarthy and she took a better road. you see it differently? >> she may not like them. she told you she doesn't like them, but they represent their

districts, they're members of good standing inside the -- >> i have a question for you, honestly. so many more republicans, though, besides those two don't you think is a little bit poking the bear, no? >> my second was going to be think about the conference politics of this. kevin mccarthy's dream is be speaker of the house. i think republicans are going to win the house. that's high view. when he gets to that point of trying to be the speaker he's going to have all corners of that conference aligned. and the idea you aren't going to put somebody from the jordan wing of the conference on a high profile deal like this, of course he was going to do of course he's going to do it. wouldn't it have been better to let them make fools of themselves in the eyes of the american people. if that's how you feel their performance would be. to me what pelosi did is give ammunition to the republican argument that this was always partisan, all they want to do is embarrass trump and keep it in the news and keep it political,

the fact she gave ammunition to them and it was a misstep. they're going to do what they're going to do whether on the committee or not. >> we should get to the purpose of all this. there was a catastrophic event january 6th that threatened our democracy there should be an honest effort to get to the core of what happened and why. you have two people there who you know are there for the express purpose of being in opposition. not in fact-finding but to blowup the process. even if it is six democracy and one republican if it is a legitimate, orderly process, you have a chance at least of surfacing some information that is worthwhile. we should point out that kevin mccarthy made all that calculus and may have discussed it with former president trump when he sat with him few days ago as

this whole thing was coming to the fore. so i mean, you're right, he wants to be speaker of the house and that's his sinquana, that's all he's about. all of these considerations about the well-being of our democracy and what happened on january 6th, those are secondary condition -- those are secondary issues for kevin mccarthy. the question is should it be for the united states congress? is that healthy for the country? >> i diplomacy agree . >> i disagree they would derail this commission. would they have asked questions the people didn't like or brought up people don't think is germane, maybe. ultimately this commission to have public legitimacy needs to have bipartisan buy-in. you're correct they had a chance to do this, 5 and 5, they passed on that, but if what you want to happen is public legitimacy about getting to the bottom of this how can you throw oftf the

republican leaders even if you don't like who is nominated. >> even when she announced the thing, mccarthy said this would be a partisan exercise, it didn't matter what she did they were going to do the same thing. i a disagree, you're not giving jordan the credit he deserves, he's an anarchist in the legislative process. a lot of the republicans you hang around with would acknowledge that as well. >> i think there's a lot of republicans who believe that jordan is representative of more than just jim jordan. there's a lot of people who believe in what he does on a number of different issues. i think pelosi should have left him in. to take away the legitimacy to give kevin mccarthy the argument today, look at this, you can't trust these folks, we tried to give them republicans, wouldn't take it, i think she made a

mistake and now this commission will argued political by republicans where if you had republicans she could say i gave jim jordan his say and here's the report anyway. >> what about chain yippy . >> what about lizin cha . >> what about liz cheney. >> she doesn't count because the republicans already decided. >> if that's the barometer, marjorie taylor greene is a republican of good standing. if he had put her on the committee would have that been okay as well? >> she's a pretty junior member of the congress. >> that's one deficiency. >> he picked two people who are representative of a good chunk of the conference who were prominent during the impe impeachment, we participate in that why not this. i think it was pretty apparent he'd go down this road to begin

with. you know my views on january 6th. it was heinous. i'm still vibratingly angry about it today. i think we ought to get to the bottom of it and pelosi ought to let it go forth. what's most important is all of these people go to jameis for violate these people go to jail for violating the sanctit yrks of the party. >> especially about what you said about january 6th what's it say about the g.o.p., somebody stands up and says i think that what happened was wrong, i think the lies being perpetuated by the then-president, and all of the people, according to the latest book, including jim jordan who is claimed to be responsible in part for january 6th, what does it say about the

party that she is not in good standing because she wants to get to the bottom of it and those like jim jordan are in good standing with the g.o.p. leadership. >> we're wrestling with internally and flight, in the way she's gone about it, right now they're more moderate rank and file members who don't think she handled herself properly. the conference has spoken on that. >> we have to keep in mind here that kevin mccarthy decided to take his balls and go home. he could have had three members on that committee one of whom did vote to not certify the election. congressman nells and two others who didn't, he chose not to do that for a reason because there's greater political benefit for republicans in not playing ball at all. i don't necessarily buy the argument that he really wanted to have veneer of legitimacy by putting jim jordan on this

committee. i think he wanted to not participate all together. pelosi was put in a tough spot. she had no choice but to do what she did, it just so happens to be the outcome i think mccarthy thinks is most advantageous. >> thanks, everybody, second out of 360 just ahead, adam schiff will join to tem us what's next for the house select committee, he's obviously member of the democratic panel. we'll be right back. breyers. 100% grade a milk and cream, and loaded with delicious cookie pieces. better starts with breyers.

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