ultimately be passed. wolf? >> the senate and then we'll see what happens in the house of representatives. ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you for that update, we'll continue to monoitor the vote ad to our viewers, thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront". get the vaccine or you're fired. that's one company's blunt message to its employees tonight as mega corporations like google, facebook and netflix are joining. are companies leading, doing what the government should be doing now? breaking news a deal is made, the white house announcing a major agreement on the president's signature economic plan, some in his party are already balking. will it survive the democrats? and who could be getting the first subpoenas that from the january 6th committee? kevin mccarthy, jim jordan? donald trump himself? let's go "outfront".

good evening. i'm erin burnett. quote, vaccines required as covid cases and hospitalizations rise, corp brorate america is taking a stance. google requiring tens of thousands of american employees to be vaccinated and faceb mandating it for all u.s. employees and netflix requiring actors and crew to be vaccinated for all u.s. productions. leave it to a new york real estate developer to put aside the niceties, the company telling the 350 employees if you don't vaccinate labor day, quote, you'll be fired. loud and clear. let's not have any ambiguity. aggressive action from companies at a time when the federal government's guidance on the pandemic is confusing. the surgeon general today giving this message. >> at this point, i want to be very clear, people do not need to go out and get a booster shot.

>> the surgeon general saying you don't need a booster shot and saying so within hours of pfizer saying the opposite. the ceo of pfizer defending his conclusion saying a third dose is exactly what is needed because the vaccine's effectiveness wanes over time. >> the vaccine is very well protecting the second dose, until the first month and six months we start seeing waning of the efficacy. we already have tested the third dose, and the results are extraordinary, in particularly for delta. i'm not speaking of generalities now. i'm talking about how the third dose would protect against the delta variant. the neutralization type against delta, after the third dose, approximately tenfold higher than after the second. >> i mean, that is extraordinary and it's data. but the biden administration says no, no booster shot.

confusing at best. and this contradiction over the vaccine comes on top of the cdc's confusing mask guidance. the agency recommending all americans vaccinated or not mask up in areas of substantial or high transmission and how they measure that, we'll show you what qualifies 63% of u.s. counties in the united states. so the vaccinated need to mask up but not get a booster? that's ten times more effective against delta after a time period? this does raise obvious questions. biden is making it clear today that the vaccines right now are for the unvaccinated, who are driving the pandemic. >> we still have a lot of people not vaccinated. the pandemic we have now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. >> a pandemic of the unva unvaccinated and yet, it is the fully vaccinated being told to mask up again. according to a source, the cdc's reversal on masks is based on

new data, unpublished data saying vaccinated people infected with the delta coronavirus variant can have as much virus as those unvaccinated which does contradict what we've been explicitly told about the vaccinated. >> we know that in the rare event that people get infected after a vaek ccine, infection i likely to have a lower viral load, be shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others. >> if you are, again, fully vaccinated your risks of getting sick and transmitting the virus are low. >> even though they are all breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely, not impossible but very, very low likelihood they will transmit it. >> okay. when the data develops and circumstances change, the guidance needs to, as well. it's an important point to make but officials do need to level

with the american people more. if the chances of a vaccinated person getting covid and transmitting it to others is really so low, why are they being asked to wear their masks again? and while we're at it, if the vaccinated are increasingly at risk, why not go with what pfizer is pounding the table on and let them get the incredibly extraordinarily effectedtive booster shots if they're six months past the second does instead of wearing a mask? the confusion is hurting the government's credibility and it feeds right into the conspiracy theorists that stoke doubt about the science of pandemic policies. here is republican congresswoman laura throwing back a mask at a staffer that offered her one. she literally threw it back at the person. mccarthy says republicans want to continue to live in a pandemic state. here is how nancy pelosi responded to that comment. >> leader mccarthy says it's against the science.

>> not a good look for anyone and the responsibility right now does lie at the feet of the mieden administration. they need to clarify the message to a confused america. vaccines are the best tools we view no to fight this pandemic full stop and right now it is corporate america stepping up and taking action with full on mandates to get the vaccines. phil mattingly is "outfront" traveling with the president in pennsylvania tonight and phil, corporate america moving fast mandating vaccines, right? you either get one or you get fired. you get one and you're not -- if you don't get one you're not allowed in the office but the federal government's idea of a mandate isn't even close at least thus far. it's been sort of like get the vaccine or get tested regularly. that's a totally different message. what is the president set to announce tomorrow? >> reporter: look, erin, it's an important point. what the federal government and president will roll out tomorrow isn't a mandate at all. it a requirement individuals

that work for the federal government attest to the fact they have been vaccinated and if they choose not to be vaccinated and make that clear, they will be subject to stringent protocols, masking, social distancing, a series of other elements and important to note what the biden administration has been doing has officially confirmed this is coming is they have been in the midst of a review and i'm told it's become pr -- been comprised and what would under score the urgency administration feels right now for all those reasons you laid out, erin. the data they are looking at and confusion over different policies, most importantly, how can you start to juice the vaccination numbers given where things stand at the moment and for administration, what the president will announce is a dramatic shift. they have made clear, erin, they were very cautious and didn't want anything to do with requirements or mandates for the better part of the last several months. the decision to change under scores how serious they view this moment in time.

now one of the interesting eloquenements is the president' tone. there is a tonal shift not trying to push people towards vaccination. they're making very clear, the unvaccinated are the reason this country is in the position now that needs to change for federal workers, that means a requirement, erin. >> thank you very much, phil. i want to go "out front" now to dr. riner. kwou you've been in tough moments. yo u h you have companies saying get vaccinated or you can't come in, at best, it's clear. the durs company saying if you don't vaccinate by labor day, quote, you'll be fired. the biden administration meanwhile, you can get vaccinated or submit to regular testing and other protocols. that's encouraging but not a mandate. do you think administration is being strong enough on this? >> well, i think they're moving

sort of deliberately towards the right answer. look, i've said for awhile that vaccine mandates are probusiness and look, if you own a business and half your people have to be quarantined for ten days because there is an outbreak, that bites into your profits. so business is starting to understand this. you would think the gop would be leading in this because they appear to be the probusiness party. as for the white house, look, a vaccine mandate is not a vaccine mandate if you can refuse the vaccine and simply opt for testing. testing and vaccines are different things. a vaccine prevents you from getting the virus and testing tells you when you have the virus. so it's kind of a little bit of weak sauce here. i'd like to see administration embrace the notion that all their employees need to be

vaccinated and testing is not a replacement for vaccination. >> and david, companies clearly get this. i mean, when you look at what they're doing, is this just the beginning of vaccine mandates? which obviously could end up being a bigger fight than a mask mandate, obviously. >> the government of france has enacted a national system of vaccine mandates. that's a very french solution from the strong central state. doesn't look like the united states is going to do that. we're groping instead to a very american solution. this is going to bubble up from civil society. 500 bars in san francisco have said you're not welcome in our bar if you can't prove you've been vaccinated. new york nightclubs are making the same demand and what they're also doing because look, the proof of vaccine we have is the best of 1930s library checkout technology. >> the little white card, i know, yeah. >> right. but private sector people in new york are saying we will authenticate your cdc vaccination and put it on a qr code you can show at the

nightclub, at the comedy store. so we're going to have, it looks like private sector solutions. business will lead progressive states and progressive city governments will lead and the federal government will lag and that's just -- that may be more in keeping with the national culture but we are going to see -- i wrote for "the atlantic" last week, last week was when vaccinated america decided we've had enough. we've had enough coaxing and empathy, we've had enough understanding. we've had enough putting the medicine in the teaspoon and saying chew, chew, chew. now things are about to change and change very fast and i suspect by this time next month, the majority of fortune 500 companies will be saying you have to be vaccinated if you want to work for us. >> dr. ryaner, the pfizer ceo says a third booster shot increased antibodies five fold in younger people and tenfold in

older. the biden administration is telling vaccinated people don't get a booster shot but you do needs to wear a mask. it does really seem done -- confus confusing. >> it does and we need a central clearing house for this kind of data to the american public. i don't want to hear this on an earnings call from pfizer. look, there are two pieces of information. the announcement that a third shot increases antibody levels, that's just biology. that's what vaccines do. that's what they should be expected to do. good. you get higher antibody levels with a third shot. i expect that. the other piece of data is do we need it. pfizer released a preprint of the six-month data that shows a relatively modest decrease in efficacy in six months. the efficacy for vaccine of preventing simatic infection drops from 96% to 83% or so out at six months but importantly, prevention of severe disease which is really what this whole

ball game is about does not change a bit. it remains 97% out. we can boost but the big question is do we need to boost and this is the dilemma the cdc is facing. >> president biden repeats the line the country is in a pandemic of the unvaccinated and yet again, the policy and restrictions apply to everyone and when you ask people to mask up generally speaking, the vaccinated are the people that respond to the mandates, too. so you're basically punishing the vaccinated for the sins of the unvaccinated, right? if everyone were vaccinated, we wouldn't have this issue. what message does it send? >> this is always a pandemic of the unvaccinated from the beginning. from the beginning it was pandemic of the unvaccinated. at the beginning we were all unvaccinated because we had no choice because the vaccine wasn't invented. now the vaccine is everywhere. i would say this not a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

this is a pandemic of the willfully unvaccinated, the anti socially unvaccinated. i think we have to stop talking as if this is some tragic thing that's befallen you that you're unvaccinated. if you're unvaccinated, you are choosing to expose your fellow citizens of your neighborhood, your country, your planet to harm. maybe you're doing it because you're irrationally anxious. maybe you're doing it because you're disconnected or disorganized. maybe you have some sympathetic psychological reasons but maybe you're being anti social. many of the people unvaccinated, they invoke other very insulting ways to say they are being discrime nated against. look, in this country race is a protected category. you can't be protected against. sex, protected category. sexual orientation, protected category. being an anti social jerk is not a protected category. >> i guess we'll end it on the d durst employee company. if you don't vaccinate by labor day, you'll be fired.

that's a quote. i thank you for your time tonight. >> next, ron desantis rejecting the cdc's guidance that recommends masks for kids in school calling it anti science but when cnn asked him about it, you'll see what he said and the department of justice won't defend mo brocoks with a lawsui about his role on january 6th. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. congress mann eric swalwell behind the lawsuit is my guest and defunding the police after george floyd's death. the city of minneapolis is in the middle of that. tonight he's "outfront".

new tonight, public schools in pbroward county florida tryig to institute a mask mandate a day after desantis blasted federal masking guidance as anti science. le let's be clear here that kids aren't vaccinated amid an explosion of coronavirus cases in florida, which is leading the entire united states in new infections over the past week. rosa flores is "outfront". >> i come here and ask you for the healing for my baby.

>> reporter: agnas has not left her 15-year-old daughter eastside since she was placed on a ventilator ten days ago. >> she's in an induced co-ma an medically paralyzed. >> reporter: her daughter was not vaccinated but she was vaccinated. they both got covid around the same time. >> the hardest time for me is seeing how she suffered. >> if you are vaccinated, you could potentially give disease to someone else. >> reporter: in florida that makes up 20% of the nation's covid cases, reported in the last week, governor ron desantis has maintained an anti mask stance especially in schools. saying through a spokesperson experts have raised legitimate concerns that the risks of masking out weigh the potential benefits for children. fortunately, the data indicate that covid is not a serious risk to healthy children. but there is no evidence that the risk of wearing masks out weigh the benefits and cdc evidence shows covid can be a

serious risk to children. >> if you look at the mortality rate of covid, just this past year for children, it's more than twice the mortality rate that we see in influenza in a given year. >> hello, i'm governor ron desantis. >> desantis defiant on the facts holding a private round table discussion this week with hand picked out of state experts, parents and students who effectively reenforced his anti mask ideology. the press was not invited to the event and when cnn asked why, his office didn't respond. >> thank you again, governor. >> reporter: so we tracked down the governor at a press conference today but after the last speaker finished talking, desantis walked away. gov governor, could you take a question about covid? not taking questions from the press. we're all wondering why the press was not invited to the round table on masks. perhaps because reality in his state is not as cut and dry as desantis' closed door round table made it appear.

>> masking is a simple risk mitigation we can and should use. >> reporter: with parents and students across the state on both sides of the issue. >> the covid positivity rate is 18%. do you remember the last time it was that high? trick question. it never has been. requiring masks is the least you can do. >> they told me instead of oxygen. >> reporter: agnis doesn't know how she got covid but she knows she's part of the growing number of unvaccinated people getting the deadly disease. >> what was the last think that she told you? >> she told me that she loved me. >> reporter: and she hopes telling her and her daughter's story saves lives. in light of the cdc's new guidance, miami-dade county public schools, the largest school district in this state just announced that they are reconsidering florida's optional mask policy. they're going back to the

drawing board now earlier this week, governor ron desantis threatened to call a special session of the legislature to protect children with masks. erin? >> rosa, thank you very much. the broward county school board votes moments ago mandated masks after mask burning protesters, there is such a thing brought the meeting to a halt. >> it is time to pass off this symbol of tierney and child abuse. we will not stand for it anymore. >> tyranny and child abuse. the kids aren't vaccinated. "out "outfront" now president of the broward county teacher's union. i know the school board meeting on mask requirements descended into chaos and you had to have it rescheduled into today. a lot of anger was directed at you, which must be deeply

unsettling. can you tell me what happened? >> well, they showed up around 9:00 testimony to give a little protest that they didn't want their children wearing masks. turned into literally dousing it with lighter fluid, burning it in a pan, and chanting, you know, teachers are child abusers. teachers are murders. our school board members are abusers. we were out there watching it and i just don't stand by and allow people to say, you know, untruth so i countered their comments and they pushed back and we pushed back on each other. we got into the building. it escalated into more wbanter and disagreements. most of the parents, they say they're parents. their children don't attend broward county schools. they attend private schools or other schools, just ranting that, you know, teachers and educators don't care about the student and that's not the case

at all and, you know, being a teacher myself and a mother myself and i am the elected broward teacher's president, i couldn't stand by and be okay with it. so i would counter every wrongful comment, negative comment that they were screaming out into our building. >> i mean, you know, you talk about being a mother and also, a teacher. i mean, they're shouting these things at you, child abuser, these horrible things. some of the people they brought along were children. what kind of went through your mind? i mean, just emotionally to have that be the response? >> it was, you know, multiple emotions. i was upset, sad, there was moments of, you know, as being a human frustration and anger. i just wanted them to stop and be rational no matter what anybody would say to them, they

aren't willing to calm down or be rational. they just wanted to get their narrative out there and they were anti vaccination, anti anybody wearing masks. they don't believe that covid is real. the new variant out there is only going to affect vaccinated people. they had all types of, you know, ko comments and narratives what is real and everyone else that doesn't agree with that narrative, then fwere abusers. >> ron desantis is not allowing companies to do mandates and companies are doing mandates across this country. he doesn't support mask mandates. he calls it anti science. it is supported by science but he's been incredibly vocal. the kids shouldn't wear masks. here it is. >> we need our kids to be able to be kids. we need them to be able to

breathe. it's terribly uncomfortable for them to do it. parents can equip their kid to go to school however they want but there shouldn't be mandates on the schools. >> how much responsibility does he hold for how divided your community is? >> he's a major, major role play in the division. you know, he is our elected governor. a lot of people want to have faith and trust in him. he's, you know, he stepped up and said he's vaccinated. get vaccinated, and then wants to fall into this, you know, conversation of not mandating masks when it is, you know, giving people an opportunity to slow the spread and put in some risk factors that can be lower and, you know, we have so many different types of mandates in schools from school uniforms to the type of shoes that you wear to say to not allow to wear a mask when it's for the safety of

others is just a really big irresponsible narrative to put out there to have people think that, you know, we're harming the student by mandating masks that could actually help slow the spread. in broward county public schools took great, great pride in having no spread in our schools. you know, we had positive cases, but the precautions we put in wearing masks were one of them. the spread did not happen. so that shows that it can help. >> it can help. anna, thank you so much. appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, erin, have a great night. >> you, too. the breaking news, the $1 trillion infrastructure plan just passed the key vote in the senate, but it's president biden's own party balking now. plus, liz cheney with a warning to fellow republican lawmakers, subpoenas that could be coming fast as the january 6th select committee enters a new phase. so who is on the list? go on... put yourselves through all that pain.

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advancing president biden's infrastructure bill. 17 republicans voting to proceed. the trillion dollar bill is the center piece of president biden's economic agenda now. our chief congressional correspondent manu raju is on capitol hill joining me now. obviously, you get the votes here. 17 republicans, you know, you only need ten to overcome a filler buster to look at it and say hey, this is really significant they get through this procedural hurdle but where are we really? president biden says not everybody got what they wanted. >> yeah, and this is the first hurdle but many to come and there is still an open question whether they can actually overcome those hurdles but no doubt about it, an achievement to get to this point. this is a pain staking negotiation that has occurred over months and this is -- there are times it was on the brink of collapse and resuscitated over the last day or so and steve

worked behind the scenes for hours on end to help reach this deal endorsed by a bipartisan group of senators and had the support of 17 republican senators including senator mitch mcconnell to open debate. this vote is a procedural vote to begin the process but the legislative text has not been released. there are summaries of this bill that is $1.2 trillion over eight years and $550 billion in money dealing from everything from electric vehicles to public transit systems to broad band to roads and bridges, water systems, a wide range of projects members of both parties want but the big fight is how exactly to pay for it. they will not raise taxes on this. they will not raise the gas tax, either but try to do things like redirect already enacted covid relief money that has not actually been spent yet and help pay for it that way. still, erin. so many details need to be looked at. this will be on the senate floor

open to amendment and need 60 votes to get off the bill and we'll see what happens in the house. big question there, as well. >> i mentioned right, that you got these 17 republicans and i understand it's step number one but even so, something to note. the problem here in fact may actually be the democrats, that the progressive members of the house are signaling they may withhold votes and wanted a bigger package and tax increases. they're not getting these things. >> what they are saying is they will only get behind anything like this if the senate were to adopt the larger $3.5 trillion package that is separate from this. that is one they want to move on the process that allows them to prove it just by democratic votes alone. that 3.5 $3.5 trillion package d move much of joe biden's jobs and family agenda, which is vigorously opposed by republicans. nancy pelosi today reiterated to me she will not move on the

bipartisan senate deal unless the senate approves a $3.5 trillion proposal but there is a problem, erin. kir congresswoman kyrsten sinema said negotiations still need to be had and hurdles remain can they get there? still a question. >> thank you very much. next, congressman jim jordan could soon be subpoenaed to testify about his conversations with the former president on january 6th. here is a hint at his possible defense. >> i can't remember all the days i've talked to him but i've certainly talked to the president. >> i can't recall. minneapolis, it's become the heart of the defund the police movement after george floyd's death. tonight that city's mayor has a major decision. he's my guest.

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it clear subpoenas that issued for the january 6 th committee will be issued and enforced quickly and some of the people called to testify could be members of her own party. >> reporter: the january 6th commission is making it clear subpoenas that are coming and coming soon. >> interviewing, subpoenaing and doing whatever is required to getubpoenas that likely to hit top republicans and the president's biggest allies in washington as the committee tries to piece together every minute of the timeline before, during and after the insurrection every meeting and every phone call made in and out of the white house as the riot unfolded. >> why wasn't there a proper security presence that day. >> reporter: repub lican congressman jim jordan will be like recalleded to testify. >> he may well be a material witness. he was somebody involved in a number of meetings in the leadup to what happened on january 6th,

involved in planning for january 6th. certainly for the objections that day as he said publicly. >> reporter: jordan, again, admitting he spoke with then president trump the day of the insur insurrection. >> did you talk to the former president that day? >> i've talked to the former president up teen times. >> january 6th, congressman? >> yes, i've talked to the president so many -- i can't remember all the days i've t talked to him but i've certainly talked to the president. >> kevin mcelderry consider th -- mccarthy was on the phone with the president. >> i was the first person to contact the president when the rioters went on. he didn't see it. he said he'll put something out to make sure to stop this and that's what he did. he put a video out later. >> reporter: members saying he likely too will be brought in to testify. >> i wouldn't be surprise d if e were subpoenaed. he has information about the president's state of mind that day. >> reporter: the committee likely to subpoena mark meadows

the president's chief of staff had numerous interactions with trump that day. according to the book "i alone can fix it" donald j. trump's catastrophic final year they called ivanka trump to the oval office multiple times to try to get her father to call off his supporters and according to documents, meadows worked privately as trump's behest pushing the department of justice to investigate baseless conspiracy theories and fraud claims about the 2020 election. cheney saying the committee will listen to the officers' advice. >> it was an attack carried out on january 6th and a hitman sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> reporter: leaving open the possibility the committee will subpoena the most president tru himself. >> it could. there is another republican member of congress mo brooks is under scrutiny for a role he

mayed on january 6th. >> there is allegations he used rhetoric at that rally before the attack on the capitol and during that speech, brooks claimed of course falsely that the election was rigged against trump. brooks has tried to have this case dismissed. he said his remarks he believes were within the scope of his duties as a house member. the doj just rejected the congressman's request for legal protection in court. noting that his remarks at the trump rally say they were almost entirely political. erin? >> thank you very much. they are declining to defend congressman brooks to seek to hold him accountable for the january 6th insurrection saying brooks was acting in a political cap capacity, not official role right before the riot. here is what he said. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.

>> "outfront" now the democratic congressman eric swalwell of california behind the lawsuit brought against brooks. appreciate your time. rejecting brooks' argument he was reacting as a government employee at the rally. >> it's the right call, erin, and if you're a taxpayer, i don't think you expect that within your representative's job duties that includes what you saw mo brooks do right there. i saw slate.com is reporting that they interviewed mo brooks and brooks said that as he gave that speech, he was wearing a wind breaker to conceal body armor he was wearing which to me is foreknowledge he knew he was standing before a violent mob and those tchose those words an. that's outside the bounds of any representative's duties. >> a stunning revelation he was wearing a wind breaker, body arbor.

okay. so he denies any wrongdoing nonetheless. he says, you know, he was acting as a government official because the tweets he sent separate from those comments, that urged congress not to certify the election were not written by him. he says they were written by congressional staff. so that wasn't his problem and that the white house asked him to speak at the rally. does any of that add up? >> no, it reminds me of, you know, the defense in the tragic murder in san francisco that he was overwhelmed by something else that the white house invited him and other than donald trump doing that, he wouldn't have said those words. it just doesn't make sense. he knew what he was doing. you could see in the speech he's speaking from a prepared statement so again, that not only shows premeditation and the forknowledge by wearing body armor, he's standing before a mob assembled by donald trump that was incited by mo brooks and donald trump and aimed at the capitol to stop the count and dlthreaten the members insi.

>> the body armor revelation is stunning, if it's the case. so "the washington post" tonight, i don't know if you've seen this congressman is reporting trump called his then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen alerting him to claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election and that he did it directly and he did it constantly. this personal pressure campaign on the acting attorney general has not been previously reported. should the january 6th committee subpoena rosen? >> he sounds like a relevant witness and the chairman has said that he's going to subpoena relevant witnesses so i'll leave it to the chairman. they don't have the time pressure we had as impeachment managers in the senate trial so they can get the ground truth what was donald trump doing as the capitol was under siege or what was he not doing which is just as important and also, erin, i hope the department of justice as they look at evidence like this, they consider whether donald trump, you know, should be held to account for criminal charges for obstruction of justice.

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tonight eliminating police. the minneapolis city council approving a ballot measure asking the city to get rid of the police department and replace it with a public department. the city faces a rise in violent crime. up nearly 20% over the past 12 months. the number of homicides on track to exceed last year which was in and of itself the deadliest in 25 years. out front now with the mayor of minneapolis, jacob fry. you have this deadline. by tomorrow you have to decide whether you're going to sign or whether you're going to veto that ballot question to get rid of the police department. so what are you going to do? >> well, erin, you are exactly

right at this moment. minneapolis is at the center of this global reckoning around racial justice and simultaneously we and so many other cities throughout the entire country are seeing an uptick in crime and specifically violent crime and shootings. i'm a believer we need a both and approach. i support a comprehensive approach to public safety. i support the notion that not every single 911 call requires response from an officer with a gun, whether that's a mental health responder or social worker, we can provide a unique skill set to match the unique circumstances that are experienced on the street and we also need police. so i've never been a proponent of defunding or getting rid of our police department or our police officers, especially when we have one of the lowest per capita numbers of police officers of any city -- any

major city in the entire country. and so i won't be supporting the amendment itself. the amendment will be going on the ballot though for this november. >> all right. but you don't support it. so let me just ask you, you know, minneapolis has been at the epicenter of the defund police movement since george floyd was murdered. i mean this because of rhetoric like this. here's what elon omar said. >> the minneapolis police department is rotten, to the root, and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer. >> okay. rotten to the root and a cancer. i know you disagree. tell me why. >> well, let me say how i think we need change. i do think we need a massive

culture shift in how our police department operates. i think we need deep structural change and reform and simultaneously we do have officers that wear the uniform that they do and wear the badge that they do because they want to make the city, our city a better and safer place. so i believe we can hold these two truths in our heart at the same time. and i'll add that one of the big parts of this charter amendment that's moving forward that i do not support. i support the comprehensive approach to public safety. what i do not support is this notion of having the head of public safety or the chief of police report to 14 different people, 13 council members and the mayor. i don't think that's a reporting structure that works. >> you mentioned something. you said there are police officers who do the badge because they want to make a difference. those are the kinds of people that everyone in the country wants to become police officers. those are the kinds of people police officers are. you are facing very low morale in your police force.

you've lost 20% of your officers from january 19 to may of this year amid the pandemic and of course the protests. what do you say to your officers as they see this measure about to go on the ballot, a measure that you don't support, to get rid of the entire department? >> erin, we've actually seen more than 20% of our department leave through attrition or retirement in some form, and the reality is is that when you have that amount of attrition in a department that is already one of the lowest numbers per capita officers in major cities in the country, there are consequences to that. nationally what needs to happen is we have to stop the pendulum from violently swinging back and forth. get rid of all of the police and abolish the police department on one side and do nothing on the other. we can make deep structural change to how we operate. we can make sure that we're firing bad officers and making those decisions stick and

simultaneously we can acknowledge that there are instances in our city whether it's domestic violence or shootings in a neighborhood where, yes, it does require response from a police officer. we can hold these two truths in your heart and that's what i what we need is a both end approach where we're being clear. i'll tell every single officer in our department, we need a culture shift. it needs to happen yesterday. simultaneously, i appreciate the work of our police department when they're going out and helping to protect and serve. >> mayor, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you, erin. next the breaking news of major league baseball team now in the midst of its second covid outbreak abruptly canceling tonight's game.

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breaking news. tonight's baseball game between the washington nationals and philadelphia phillies off postponed because of could he video individual. one of the nats tested positive for covid-19.

major league baseball says it needs time to allow for continued testing and contact tracing among the nationals. this is the second outbreak within the team this year. tonight's game has been rescheduled they hope for tomorrow. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. there's no shortage of important covid news tonight. there's a hint of whiplash from all of it. people are understandably from us trfrustrated with the rise o the delta variant. just the other night in this program dr. thomas frieden warned cases could hit 200,000 a day in the next several weeks if we follow a similar trajectory as the united kingdom. the spike has prompted the local state and federal government to impose mask mandates and more companies to mandate