the big show, "don lemon tonight" with its big star, don lemon. the war has changed, from the cdc. we had dr. jerome adams. he says this freedom argument is

bunk. the vaccine is necessary. >> you know how we usually -- you know, we have a light moment because i think people need that after a long day. we haven't had as many of those. i have to tell you, chris, i've been really worried and i'm even more worried with all of this information. when i was in cincinnati last week or the week before, you know, people were asking me, why are you walking around with a mask? well, i'm about to interview the president. i want to make sure. you're fully vaccinated. i am. but i'm worried about the dell va variant. we just don't know. i think things may be worse than we actually think. than people are letting on. there's something they know, if they are going to mandate mask and possibly vaccines. there's tons of information showing that it's bad. but i think -- i don't know if we can get this under control,

we had the opportunity to. none of this had to happen. children didn't have to get sick, if we didn't let the virus to mutate and this variant to catch on, we could have had this under control. we were well on our way -- and the only people you can blame, the only people you can blame -- this isn't shaming -- the unvaccinated. the unvaccinated people have put us in the position we're in now. and it is not a good place. >> i think that the reason we keep telling people storying of unvaccinated people and the toll it's taking on them and their families when they get sick, it doesn't have to be you. there's a lot of people -- sure. you have the trump wing and absolutely, we showed the numbers tonight. 37% of the unvaccinated are white republicans. it doesn't have to be like that. and if it's about being hesitant, talk to your doctor. listen to the information. let's keep the dialogues going. if it's the freedom that's infringing on the freedom of everybody else, it's a problem. here's my one beef -- i want to

see the data. and i don't know why the cdc isn't putting data first. let me see the breakthrough numbers. let me see the data that spooked the scientists into this internal appraisappraisal. i want to see the numbers. i awant to see why fda approval isn't happening. they need to be more out front with the messaging and the data. >> all of that is true. you have to have people get vaccinated. you have to have leaders speaking the truth. you have to have leaders -- >> the data would be. >> that is true. in addition to, also. you have to have people speakling the truth. you can't have them saying, i trust the science. and jerome adams talking about a right-wing conservative propaganda host saying no one get vaccines. i believe in the science. it's up to you to get it. we can't have mealy mouth people

like that. you have to be more direct. more concerted effort to say get vaccinated. you're not just killing yourself, you're going to kill other people. that's what you have to start telling people. if you don't get vaccinated, you can't come into this office or this place of business. if you don't get vaccinated, you can't come into this gym. if you don't get vaccinated, you can't get on to this airplane. that has nothing to do with freedom. has nothing to do with liberty. you don't have the freedom and the liberty to put other people in jeopardy. you don't have that. you have to drive the speed limit. you have to obey the rules. put some rules in place, that will demand that people get vaccinated. you can't just go around and say, look, it's my personal freedom and my liberty. i want to go 150 miles per hour if i want to. >> sure you can. but you have to suffer the consequences for it. whether you kill yourself or you get a citation or your driver's

license gets taken away. you have to have certain rules in society if we all are going to continue to live and keep each other alive. you cannot be that selfish. and frankly, that ignorant. >> i think the dynamic in terms of the politics has to flip from this tyranny of the minority. the unvaccinated to the va vacc vaccinated. the vaccinated, the majority of americans, democrats, independents, red, white and blue states. every face, every place. the majority of us have done this. who is speaking for them? what about their freedoms? >> there's only one group of people who is out there saying this is -- you don't have to do it. and that is -- that's conservatives or trump supporters. >> trumpers. >> that's it. you talk about, well, minorities aren't -- you don't have minority leaders coming out, on a whole, saying, do that. you don't have people, you know,

from latino leaders saying, oh, you shouldn't. you don't have it. you have one group and that is the trumpers saying that. >> saying it's the illegal entrants. and now, the minority communities that are the unvaccinated. put up the numbers. it's just not true. >> not true. i have to go with our breaking news. love you, see you soon. >> i love you d. lem. >> i love you, as well. this is "don lemon tonight." this is our breaking news. okay? cnn has confirmed an internal cdc document with a chilling warning, infections from the delta variant appear to be more severe and spread as easily as chickenpox. are you listening, people? are you listening? are you listening? "the washington post" is reporting the variant is so contagious, that it acts almost like a different, novel virus,

spreading more quickly an ebola or the common cold. are you listening? are you listening? are you listening? the document argues officials must, quote, acknowledge the war has changed. we got a lot more to come on this and what it means for americans as a delta variant spreads in hot spots all across this country. i got to tell you, i'm from louisiana. everyone -- not everyone i love, but all of my family members are in louisiana. they're in baton rouge. and it is crazy there. the virus is just running rampant there. i'm so worried about them. i am so worried about them. because they get so much information and it, quite honestly, is mostly red states.

that's the truth. i'm not being partisan. this is the truth. look at the numbers. why do we have these hot spots? because some people have a very misguided and unhealthy idea of what freedom really means. >> i think it's very important that we say, unequivocally, no to lockdowns, no to school closures, no to restrictions, and no mandates. [ applause ] floridians are free to choose and all americans should be free to choose how they govern their affairs. >> first of all, no one is talking about lockdowns or closing schools. it might have to happen. if you don't get vaccinated.

that's the whole point, sir. the issue at hand is vaccination, which is governor said he supports. that's what i mean by talking out of both sides of your mouth. i support vaccination, but you don't have to give up your freedom. new guidance on masks, because of the breaking news, i just told you about. but he says it's about freedom, no restrictions, no mandates. so, okay. what does freedom mean? what does it mean? what kind of freedom do people want when they say they're not getting vaccinated because they believe in freedom? >> we are for freedom, baby. we're for freedom, all the way. that's what we love. >> yeah. well, i should know about being for freedom. my people. you can't put on a mask. really?

do you want the flreedom to get sick? to be hospitalized or worse? worse. do they want the freedom to be lying in an overcrowded hospital, struggling for every, single breath? do they want that freedom for people they love to be infected with a deadly virus? freedom not to follow the facts, if your freedom kills people? what kind of freedom is that? what kind of freedom do they really want? >> with freedom comes responsibility. the decision to be unvaccinated impacts someone else. unvaccinated people spread the virus. they get sick and fill up our hospitals. and that means, if someone else has a heart attack or breaks a hip, there might not be a hospital bed for them. >> freedom.

but when your freedom kills someone else, what kind of freedom is that? what about their freedom? freedom to ignore the science and the facts. that's what got us where we are tonight. and as i said, this is not just a red state or a blue state thing. there are republicans who are sounding the alarm, trying to convince the unvaccinated to save their lives and the lives of their loved ones before it is too late. maybe it -- it might be too late. i don't know. i hope it's not. i really do. but i'm really worried that it's too late. so, those republicans, the republicans like west virginia governor jim justice, who has been strong on vaccinations from the very beginning. now, he says the delta variant is coming and coming faster. and he goes on to say this -- >> for crying out loud, you've

got to get yourself vaccinated. that's just all there is to it. >> there's mitch mcconnell, who -- now, who has said all along that people should get vaccinated, right? he put out a radio ad. he is urging people, urging people in kentucky to get the shot and recalling his bout with polio as a young boy. that should be a lesson to all of you. he is saying that. listen to what he told larry kudlow on fox business. >> honestly, it never occurred to me we would have difficulty getting people to take the vaccine. >> it never occurred to him? really? never? really? let's think about this, okay? put your partisan hat asaid. to think that you would have to think about the whole terrible history of this pandemic. from the very beginning, the

politicizing of it. you would have to ignore the anti-science, anti-fact-based garbage that far too many republicans have been prompting and promoting all throughout of this -- throughout this. the claims the virus was totally under control. just going to go away like a miracle, right? go away like a miracle, prompting bogus cures like hydroxy chloroquine. or light in the body, injecting disinfectant. mocking wearing masks. ignore the science. ignore the facts. freedom. and the republican deniers are also ignoring the facts of what we all saw, and what we all heard on january 6th. that's when blood-thirsty trump-supporting rioters, stormed the halls of congress, beating police within an inch of their lives, forcing lawmakers

to run for it. or maybe it's not they're ignoring them. maybe they're scared of them. with the select committee threatening subpoenas, does this guy seem nervous to you, jim jordan? >> did you speak with president trump on joanuary 6th? >> i spoke with the president last week. i speak with him all the time. i spoke with him january 6th. i talk to president trump all the time. i don't think that's unusual. i would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they're trying to get done the things they told the voters in their district to do. i'm actually amazed sometimes that people keep asking this question. i talked to the president all the time. >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked? >> i would have to go -- i spoke with him that day after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not.

i just don't know. i would have to go back -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happen. but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> come on. h humina, humina. you spoke to him january 6th. you don't mowknow when the conversations happened. but you speak with him all the time. please. you expect us to believe that you don't remember when you spoke to the president the day the capitol was attack by riotous-hunting lawmakers. you were there. in the halls of congress. and chanting hang mike pence, but you don't remember when you spoke to the president? you don't remember?

really? and then, there's kevin mccarthy, who is so determined to downplay what happened on january 6th, he calls it an altercation. >> we've watched the sergeant of arms have to pass a note to the speaker during the altercations on january 6th, whether to call the national guard. >> pathetic. i'm just going to say it. pathetic. do you believe that? it's not even the body language -- it's so fake. it's so fake. acting. an altercation is defined as a noisy, heated dispute, that doesn't begin to describe the violence, the bloodshed, when rioters ran wild in the seat of our democracy, trying to overturn joe biden's victory. does that look like an altercation to you? that's an altercation? okay. and just listen to this

mish-mosh as kevin mccarthy tries really hard not to say a what actually happened on that phone call with the then-president that day. >> when i called the president, i was telling him about what was happening in the capitol because none of you would know unless you were in the capitol. lo and behold, the information we have today, i didn't know at that moment in time, that pelosi had been passed a note, can you call the national guard? i didn't know at that time, december 14th, they knew. i didn't know the sergeant at arms said he couldn't have it because of optics because they never spoke to us. it's purely a political position. >> funny. that's not what congresswoman jamie herrera butler says happened. she says while the capitol was under attack, kevin mccarthy called the then-president, begging for him to call off the mob. trump's stone-cold response, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. and then, there's mo brooks.

you remember him, whipping up the crowd before the rioters stormed the capitol. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. >> hmm. did you see the hat? fire pelosi. now, we're learning that he was wearing body armor when he said that. that seems odd if you're not expecting trouble. and he is still trying to blame black lives matter and antifa for what we know was an attack by trump supporters. remember? all of the evidence, investigation, no antifa, no black lives matter. trump supporters. no black lives matter. no antifa. trump supporters. trumplicans. telling cnn, the reason was, i often wear body armor because of all of the death threats and threats of violence that i and other congressmen get.

we were warned by the house sergeant at arms that threats of violence against me had spiked in december 2020 and january 2021. but the only threat i was aware of on that day were blm and antifa. hmm. okay. if you believe that. talk about faulty intelligence because that's not what happened. when you look at these three, you can see the direction the investigation will have to go and what it's going to take to get to the truth, no matter how hard they try -- they may try to hide it. so, that brings us back full-circle, to the truth. the facts we need to save our democracy. and our lives. this is a break glass moment. what are we going to do about it? and it is our breaking news,

this alarming report that the delta variant is so contagious, it spreads more quickly an ebola or the common cold. and vaccinated people may transmit it as easily as those who are unvaccinated. we'll tell you what you need to know, right after this quick break.

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confirmed an internal cdc document that warns that delta variant infections are more severe than previous strains. "the washington post" rorpts that the variant is so contagious, that it acts like a different, novel virus. it is spreading more quickly than ebola or the common cold. analyst dr. jonathan reiner is here. dr. reiner, good evening to you. this is serious. this is serious. talk to me about this new report. >> well, the internal cdc document actually gives some understanding to why the cdc earlier this week recommended that vaccinated people mask up in places with a significant load of virus in the community. what they are basically saying is delta is different than the alpha strain of this virus. it is different in the following

ways -- first of all, it is heilly contagious. as you said, it is much more contagious as the common cold. it's about as contagious as chickenpox, which is a very contagious virus. it is likely more severe -- or causes more severe disease than some of the earlier variants. we've known for a while that people who are infected with delta have high viral loads and have a lot of virus onboard, appears to cause more severe illness. and importantly, this goes back to the updated guidance about mas masking vaccinated people. it looks like people with breakthrough infections, vaccinated people who have breakthrough infections, may be as infectious or may be able to transmit the virus as well as unvaccinated people who are infected with delta, hence the recommendation for vaccinated folks to mask up. but let me cut to the good news.

the good news is that the -- this sort of consensus document from the cdc shows that the vaccines are still working exceedingly well, well over 90%, at preventing severe illness or death. hospitalization or death. our vaccines still work in the way that we really need them to work, which is preventing death. the vaccines reduce the likeliness of severe death and hospitalization by 25-fold. the document also shows that there are a lot of breakthrough infections in the united states. about 30,000 breakthrough infections per week. that seems like an enormous number. there's 170 million-plus people vaccinated. 30,000 is not an insignificant number, it's a small fraction. it's a the overall

number of vaccinated people in this country. >> here's what this internal document argues that officials must acknowledge the war has changed when it comes to the delta variant. dr. reiner, "the washington post" spoke with someone working with the cdc on delta. they point to the outbreak in province, massachusetts, showing that vaccinated people were transmitting the virus to other vaccinated people. and the person who spoke to "the post" called it a canary in the coal mine. this is something that happened in p-town and had been discussed among people in the gay community. and not widely discussed among health officials. it's did you know such and such had a breakthrough? and it's hundreds of people. who does this mean going forward in how we protect ourselves?

>> yeah, very simple. everyone in this country should be masking in public. we've been doing this, you know, for a while. physicians are doing this for a while, continuing to wear masks in congested public places. now, the advice to the entire country is, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated, if you go into a store or a crowded public place, put a mask on. it will significantly reduce the risk that you'll get infected, a primary infection or a breakthrough infection. and secondly, most importantly, you don't have to die from delta. if you are vaccinated, you are not going to die from this virus. the vaccines are exceedingly effective. remarkably effective at reducing the incidents of severe illness or death. get vaccinated now. i think this is one of the reasons that vaccination rates in the united states are rising. i think people are starting to get it. you don't screw around with this

virus. this variant can kill you. if you're not vaccinated, it's not too late. you can do it tomorrow. >> and i think province, a lot of people coming from all over the country in a closely confined, very small place. there you go. that can happen anywhere. and when you have a lot of people in constricted areas that aren't outside. thank you, doctor. i appreciate it. we have more on our breaking news. will this be a wake-up call for the unvaccinated? and what about the rest of us? (sound of people returning to the workplace) (sound of a busy office) (phones ringing, people talking, meeting) the company we've trusted to keep us working remotely, is the same company we'll trust to bring us back together.

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back, now with our breaking news. an internal cdc document said that delta variant is more severe and spreads as easily among the vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated. that's a country divided as much as ever as to what can pull us out of this pandemic. here to discuss, john kasich, and cnn's senior political commentator, david axelrod. thank you for being here, gentlemen. david, i'm going to start with you. the cdc slides on how dangerous the delta variant is. it's terrifying. case and hospitalizations are rising rapidly. it's unbelievable. people are dying. they don't have to die. so, the president is under tremendous pressure to act. but what more can be done? what more can he do? >> well, it's really paradoxical

for a couple of reasons. one is, you know, you tell people, hey, everyone if you've been vaccinated, you can be infected, and you can infect others, and you need to mask up. people who haven't been vaccinated hear this message and say, well, i haven't -- why should i get vaccinated if it's -- i'm still going to get the disease anyway? well, the answer is, that you won't be hospitalized most likely. you won't die, most likely. but they're struggling with that paradox. the second piece is, like almost everything else, unfortunately, in public life today, this has been politicized to a degree that it never should have been. and you have people who are resistant to biden as a m mess messenger, who have fit this into a political paradigm of government versus freedom. and so, when they hear messages

saying, we really need to do this, we have to wear masks and so on, it becomes an exercise in defiance, rather than, you know, protecting yourself and your neighbors. so, this is a really complex communications challenge. and i -- look, i think the president is fighting his heart out here. and most public officials, republican and democrat, are. but there are others who have seen this as a political opportunity to fight -- you know, to fight this phony battle over freedom. you know, when in fact, no one has the freedom to endanger everyone around them. that's not what freedom means in this country. we have to embrace that and move together regardless of party and fight this as one country. >> john, maybe this delta variant news will scare people into getting the vaccine.

but we're now in a place where we have to pay people or threaten to fire them from their jobs in order to save lives or to keep millions of more from dying. it is absurd. do you think mandates are the answer? >> let me first of all say, don, there's only a limit of what biden can do, and celebrities can do. in our state, in the state of ohio, people 85% have vaccinations. over 60, it's 60%. who is not getting the vaccinations? young people. they think it will be not that serious to them. i talk to them all the time. secondly are people that live in a rural community. they live there. they don't want somebody from the government trying to tell them what to do. so, you have the third group, which is the minority community, which distrusts a lot of what is happening in medicine today because they were experimented upon, as you know, if you think

about tuskegee. so, the way to solve this -- >> can i explain what tuskegee was. they weren't experimenting with vaccines in people. they were not giving people vaccines. it's not like they were injections them with something that would be harmful to them. that's not the same thing. but go on. >> no. but it's a suspicion about the health care system, which is understandable. i believe it's a grassroots solution here. i believe in the rural communities, it has to be farmer-to-farmer. it has to be what happens in the small towns. what happens in the taverns, with people talking to one another. with young people, that's grand ma, grandpa, saying you can't come see me if you don't get vaccinated. when it comes to the rest of the people, it has to be about a bottom-up. it has to be who you know that tells you to go and get this done. and in the minority community, i think it's the church, it's the

community people who are respected. >> john, i don't have a lot of time. i understand what you're saying. that is a completely utopian world. my question was, are vaccine mandates, is that what is going to have to happen? that's a question. it would be great -- it would be great if people would do that. but they're not doing it. if you looked at what harry had on chris' show, the ma yojority the people not getting vaccinated are conservative whites. 13% or 14% of minorities are not getting vaccinated. 37% of the people who are unvaccinated, the people that don't want to get vaccinated, are conservative republican whit whites. so, i understand -- >> 40% are not vaccinated. 40% of health care workers. they're not republicans. >> how do you know that, john? >> how do you know that people that live in a rural

community -- do we do polling? at the end of the day, don, it has to be neighbor-to-neighbor and family member to family member. >> i'm looking at the date to and i'm asking -- my question was, are mandates the answer. i understand. is that the answer? >> some place will do it. >> the reason i ask -- >> businesses -- >> go on. >> businesses are saying you have to get vaccinated. >> what is the answer? will you just answer my question. is it -- are mandates the answer? >> different places -- >> it's not a simple yes or no. it's appropriate in some places. and the businesses -- >> that is a point. people are speaking out of both sides of their mouths. and they should be more emphatic about what should be done. yes. i have the freedom to drive 90 miles per hour through a school zone. but i also have to take responsibility -- >> don. >> no one is going to say to me, yes, don, you have -- they would say to me, you can't do that.

you shouldn't do that. >> what are you going to go in rural america? no. >> rural america is part of america. rural america needs to abide by the rules, just like anybody else. >> okay. >> don, can i -- >> what i'm saying to you is each place has to be done based on what will be most effective. >> can i just -- >> i think we have to be tougher on this issue. >> i want to get a word in here. i agree with -- i agree with john that the grass roots approach is the approach we should take. and the president would agree with him, as well. that's the approach they have taken. the problem is, you have people like the governor of south carolina, who says we are going to make it illegal for people to go door-to-door and talk to their neighbors about the need to get vaccinated. >> i think that's outrageous. >> it is outrageous. that's what we need to fight, john. we need public officials all rowing in the same direction. >> i agree.

>> and people that see it as a political opportunity -- if they see it as a political opportunity, rather than a public health crisis, that's when we have a huge problem. >> i know. we also have anti-vaxers out there that have been fighting all vaccines for a significant period of time. and most of them, while they're made up of both parties. and you know who is leader of that is. and i don't need to mention who the leader of the anti-vaxers has been. there are places where it sould be required. look at new york city. you get it or you must get tested. there's businesses, google saying, if you don't get vaccinated, you're out. i agree with those approaches. that makes sense. should you do it from the federal government down, i'm not certain about that. but there's appropriate places where we ought to tell people, if you want to be involved in this, if you want to work here, you're going to get a vaccine or tested. if you don't do either, you're out. at some point, it will move away from the testing to a mandated vaccine. it's serious. i agree with don lemon. i do. what's funny about that?

>> because you just answered the question i've been asking you -- >> what? >> you went a long way around. that's all i was asking you. what you said, that part, you answered the question. before you didn't wananswer my question. that's it, john. >> everything is not a simple yes or no. and it's more sophisticated than that. >> i understand there's nuance. but there's sometimes when you have to be emphatic with people. you have to give them the thing that is going to make something better quickly. by coddling people is not the best or the direct approach. >> are they coddling them in new york city? are they coddling them there? i'm asking you about new york city. is the mayor coddling them in new york city because he's not forcing them to get a vaccine or fire them? he's trying to take an approach -- >> can i ask -- >> answer that question.

yeah. >> i think, yes. i think that if you don't get vaccinated, you should not be allowed to go into a business. i think if you don't get vaccinated, you should -- i think that you should have to show that you're vaccinated in order to go places because you are inhibiting other people's freedom. you're putting other people's lives in jeopardy. people who are follow ing the rules. people looking out for their fellow man, they are putting them in jeopardy. if you don't want to do it, you must face the repercussions of not doing what? best for the most people in the society. >> can i slide in here for a second? >> go ahead, david. >> i agree with you, don. and all i'm saying to the governor is that we need public officials to stand together on this. so, if a -- if the governor of florida -- the governor of

florida, for example, says, we're not going to allow -- and the legislature there -- you know, vaccine passports or a way to prove that you've been vaccinated, that exacerbates the problem. we need people to stop weaponizing this for their own tribe and join together and say here's the things we need to do to protect each other. >> dave, i don't think that's the fundamental problem. i think the problem is deeper than that. it has to do with who people are and where they live. i wish donald trump would come out and tell everybody to get vaccinated. would that change everything? i don't think so. it would be good and i'm forit. and anybody who makes this out to be a lie about it, outrageous. and they should be taken to task. >> thank you, john. thank you, david. >> i think we're all in agreement. >> i appreciated that conversation.

he defended a mask mandate in a city where covid cases are surging, to be taunted and physically abused. that public official joins me next.

this week, the st. louis county council overturning a mask mandate on the same day the cdc released its new guidance. the acting health director spoke in defense of the mandate only to be repeatedly interrupted and heckled by the largely anti-mask crowd. >> i don't want to engage in a debate with you of what constitutes a mask or not. i commend the 16-year-old. madame chair, if you do not restore order, i will walk away and we will have to have this conversation later. >> excuse me, dr. khan, i am running this meeting.

>> i know you are. >> just a minute. >> i'm asking you to restore order. >> i'm giving you the respect that you need to answer this question that this council is asking you. i want to know, what did we not do correctly? >> we didn't talk to the virus about how it should behave. >> i don't like to do this thing, but i will. thank you, dr. kahn, let's see if there are any other follow-up questions from any other council members. thank you very much. [ bleep ]. >> i think you're doing pretty good too. >> he is here and he tells us how things even got to this point. that's next.

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>> you know, i have to say that this is perhaps the latest symptom of the malaise that began in our country about 18 months ago when the pandemic first arrived on our shores. what was supposed to be a public health issue and emergency was heavily politicized at the federal, state and national level and we're seeing the latest symptoms of that erupt at a local level. more than 270 of my counterparts across the country have either resigned or been forced out of their jobs. and that is a tremendous loss to the public health workforce. i will say this, the st. louis area is an amazingly beautiful place. we have a great community, a loving, kind, gentle, kind-hearted community that takes care of each other. and so, you know, there are parts of the community that are experiencing an acute sense of frustration and fear over the

uncertainty posed by the pandemic. and people instinctually fear what they don't understand. and that's being exploited by others for political advantage. that is what played out on tuesday night in my opinion. >> what exactly happened to you at this meeting, doctor? >> so as a public official, i always make myself available to go to council meetings, the legislative branch to answer questions and explain policy decisions and the rational behind them. i was asked to attend the tuesday night meeting after we announced the mask mandate a day earlier on monday. i showed up with information and to basically answer questions and share information. regrettably, when i walked in the room, the anger in the crowd, a sizable crowd, was palpable. my heart sank a little as a medical epidemiologist and a public health physician. everyone around me was unmasked. some people were there with

their children. some people were clearly in the older age group. and so the first thought that cross i my mind is this is a superspreader event in progress. and then it just -- once it began, you know, the emotions of the crowd had been worked up and stoked, even before the meeting began and it just went downhill from the first question onwards. >> yeah. listen, i just want to share this and i'm going to let you go. this letter you wrote to the council chair asking for an investigation. you said i approached the exit and outside the chambers i became surrounded by the crowd where members of the crowd yelled at me, called me a fat brown "c" word and brown bastard. please come back and give us an undate when you hear back and going forward. thank you very much, doctor. i'm sorry that happened to you. i appreciate it. >> thank you, don, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. next, cnn confirming, a cdc

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