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will take part in tuesday's individual balance beam finals with teammate suni lee. this after withdrawing from the team finals last week citing mental health concerns. she also withdrew from four individual finals in this year's games. the 24 year-old she is one of the most celebrated olympians in recent years and we wish her well tomorrow. the news continues. we hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> you've got to be a little worried about it, though, right, coop? she's got a lot of pressure on her. there's been some beautiful understanding about health is health, pain is pain. i just hope she's doing this on her own terms and that everything is okay. >> the pressure has to be so intense. >> yeah, but this is not any other sport. i've learned a lot about gymnastics. as you know we got the little one that does gymnastics. a friend of mine owns gyms on long island. you can't be spinning around and doing all the things that they do and not be locked in 100%. you know what i mean? it's not just like being another

football player. this is about as deadly as it gets, so we'll see what happens. it's good news for us. i hope it's good news for her. anderson, have a good night, brother. >> thanks, chris. >> i'm chris cuomo. welcome to the prime time covid command center. we're going to be tracking this variant and our movements all the way through, better or worse. we start the week with good news. there's been a steady rise in the pace of vaccinations recently. take a look at your screen. especially in states that had been lagging the most. that's the best part of it, okay? the states lagging most are stepping it up the most. great. seven-day daily average of new people getting vaccinated is over 400,000 in the last week. but we're paying the price for waiting so long. deaths have increased more than 25% in the last seven days. that's not going to stop any time soon. the average daily count of new cases up 44%. not going to stop. the one to watch, hospitalizations. remember, capacity.

do we have the capacity? it's going to be a big theme tonight. a lot of people in the health care sector are very worried with this 41% rise week over week because they don't have the beds. the five states faring the worst with the most new cases per capita all in the southeast. alabama, arkansas, florida, mississippi, louisiana. louisiana expects to reach its highest level of hospitalizations in the pandemic tomorrow, okay? they are up 189% in the last two weeks. 11,000 new cases over the weekend. almost 2,000 hospitalized. that's their biggest concern. we have the governor coming up. one in five new cases in america, however, 20% in florida. last time i checked not 20% of the population. so they are outgrowing in terms of cases. why? florida broke 21,000 new cases on friday. the state's highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic. think about that.

all three variants are competing in florida. that state is the first to see four strains of the virus thrive. again, why? take a look at the reality. miami beach this morning, a year and a half into the pandemic. you know what that is? the line to get tested. they're waiting to get tested because they're freaking out. there are cases all over the place. hospitals in south florida are filling up with a record-breaking number of patients. this is august 2021. we should not be here. we shouldn't have been there the first time, we certainly shouldn't be there again. also, look, every state is an examination of leadership when you have bad numbers. the big name leaders aren't exactly owning the situation there. you've got republican governor ron desantis. he's the one that started the don't fauci florida campaign. now you've got this pop in cases. you're going to be held to account. you needed people to get vaccinated. you made a mockery of the man behind the vaccine, now here you

are. then he barred schools in his state from mandating that children wear masks. will that be seen as a smart move by the people there? as things go the wrong way, he's been on his way out of state fund-raising. it's time to stay home, especially when you have guys like this, not desantis, he's the governor, this guy filling the void. the top rnc official in florida. this guy has been comparing the biden administration's vaccine efforts to nazi-era brown shirts. i mean come on with this crap. our friends at k-file found this. peter feman is the guy's name. he wrote stupidly on his blog the biden brown shirts are beginning to show up at private homes questioning vaccine papers. look, not only is it not true. when are they going to stop with this type of just ugliness, and when will desantis, because this is his state, but republicans in general in leadership not just say i don't agree with that, not just say that's wrong, say he

shouldn't say it. shut up, that's what they should be saying. we need to hear it. it's not one and done with this guy. in may he called vaccines a mark of the beast and it wasn't a throwaway. he was making a reference to a symbol from the biblical book of revelations showing allegiance to satan. thursday he wrote the wolves wanting control and power. as for me and my house, we will fight them. look, on one level there is no cure for what ails this guy. but some of the misinformation is opportunistic. and that opportunity was provided by the cdc. listen to me for a second, all right? we need data so there is less room for toxic spin. you say we're changing masks and you don't tell people why, you're opening yourself up to

this opportunistic spin. not this brown shirt bs this guy was saying, but people questioning it. now that we're all worried about the vaccinated getting the variant, the new word in our vocabulary, right, breakthrough cases, we need to know the numbers. they should have come out with the numbers right away, if they have them. that's part of the problem. is there a pure count nationwide of the number of breakthrough cases vaccinated who get sick? i don't think so. but the cdc does say more than 99.99% of the fully vaccinated have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death. okay, that's what the vaccine is supposed to do, keep you from dying if you get this virus. but hospitalization and death isn't everything. cases matter too, and it must matter to the cdc because they jumped on the cape cod cluster. there are only a few severe cases, but there was a lot of sickness. they changed their guidance after that.

so clearly cases matter, no matter the severity. give us the numbers. according to new research from kaiser family foundation, january to july the rate of breakthrough cases, again, vaccinated who get sick, of any kind reported to states is below 1%. raises a question for me, maybe for you, is the reporting sufficient? how does it work? how many people are getting these viruses don't know they have it? and yet the information that matters most is the messaging that removes hesitancy about the vax. now, distinguish between hesitancy and resistance, right? too much of the resistance is either being an anti-vaxxer, forget it, or i'm not doing it because it's a show of strength. that's going to be tough to fix also. hesitancy you can. and we have a new bold-faced name making the pitch. senator lindsey graham. he announced today he has a breakthrough covid case. he said he started having flu-like symptoms on saturday

but he added i'm very glad i was vaccinated because without the vaccination i wouldn't feel as good as i do now, my symptoms would be far worse. that is the key. good for him reminding americans of that. wish him well. good for him pushing the chance to get protected. so where do things go from here? let's bring in a better mind, louisiana governor edwards. governor, thank you so much. i laid out for people that you're dealing with a quick and severe hit down there. hospitalizations, 2,000 taking up the beds right now. what is the urgency from your perspective, governor? >> well, first of all, thank you very much, chris. the urgency is that we have the highest case growth rate in the country and the second place state is quite a ways behind us. that's not a distinction that we're proud of. and the percent positivity is above 13% of all tests coming back positive and that seems to

be increasing, which means we have not reached the peak. we don't know how much further this is going to go. you alluded in your opening that today we reported 11,000 cases. now, that's saturday, sunday and monday. almost 2,100 of those cases were kids under 17. >> wow. >> our hospitalizations today are right at 2,000, and tomorrow they will be right at 2,100. the most we've had in the hospital at any point in the pandemic. and, yes, this is largely but not exclusively a surge among the unvaccinated. about 90% of the people in the hospital with covid today in louisiana are unvaccinated. and so we've got a lot of work to do. we've got to get more people vaccinated. there is good news on that front. we've actually had about a fivefold increase over the last couple of weeks in the number of shots being administered every day. of course we have a long way to go because only 37%, 38% of the

state of louisiana has actually been fully vaccinated. so there's a tremendous sense of urgency, which is why we're trying to slow the transmission so that we don't lose our capacity to deliver life-saving health care and not just to the covid patients. it doesn't matter why you need a hospital. it could be a stroke or motor vehicle accident, could be a heart attack, could be covid. we reinstituted today the mask mandate. when you are indoors in public spaces, whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, that was the cdc recommendation, fully supported by the guidance that came out friday. you were just alluding to it. that while vaccinations do protect against severe disease and death, people are becoming infected and they're infectious, and so we put the mask mandate back in place. we are very hopeful that that's going to give us some breathing room to get this pandemic back under control. >> if people follow it, governor, right? that's your problem that you've had with vaccinations.

you've been putting out the message, they just haven't been following. you said 38% vaccination rate puts you 43rd in the united states. over the past week your state is number one in new vaccinations per capita. so hopefully you've got a 14% jump from the lottery. the vaccine rate is now double what it was two weeks ago, which shows fear may be better than even a wish and a dream on improving your finances. but you said something that i haven't heard before. you believe 10% of the hospitalizations are breakthrough cases? >> in louisiana, 90% of the people in the hospital with covid are unvaccinated. >> so that means 10% are vaccinated? >> yeah. that's right. >> that's high. >> it is high. but i will tell you a lot of that, i believe, has to do with

the prevalence of co-morbid health conditions here in louisiana that may be a little more pronounced than elsewhere. but it is true, though, that if you are fully vaccinated, you're eight times less likely to get covid. you're 25 times less likely to end up in the hospital or dead from covid. so the vaccinations work. a lot of people are confusing the fact that we are having breakthrough cases with whether the vaccines are efficacious. if you will remember, back when moderna and pfizer and so forth came out with the vaccines and they were talking about efficacy, it was protecting people against severe disease, hospitalizations and death. and that's still -- that's still the case. >> true. >> but it never said that it would keep you from getting infected or becoming infectious. the delta variant has been a game-changer in that respect. >> just in terms of how hard you're being hit on the infrastructure side in terms of your health care capacity, one, you've got to deal with your

health care workers getting vaccinated also. we've learned something here. just because you work in the hospital doesn't mean your not susceptible to misinformation or disinformation and being vaccine hesitant. you have a 33-member federal disaster medical assistance team on site to help our lady of the lake, a baton rouge hospital. how bad -- well, not how bad. how worried are you about capacity considerations in the hospitals? >> well, we're extremely worried. and it's not so much a bed capacity. we have ppe and we have ventilators, unlike a year and a half ago. what we don't have is enough staff. we're short nurses in louisiana, period, for example. and right now, you know, we have nurses that are out because they too have contracted covid and other staff members out, maybe respiratory therapists and so forth. this is really causing a tremendous problem across our state.

we do welcome the help of health and human services there on the ground in louisiana. we're looking to execute on contracts that we have with vendors around the country for staffing. but this is a problem across the country. and when the whole country is surging at once, it's very hard to access new staff to come to our state here in louisiana. we're working this just as quickly as we can, and we believe that we're going to be able to provide some help. chris, i want you to know how acute the problem is. last week i had a conference call, a zoom call with all of the medical directors of all of the hospitals in every region of our state. following that call, we had 40 something hospitals that made requests to us for additional staffing. at most we're going to be able to help five or six of those, and we're trying to triage that to use a medical term of art. >> governor john bel edwards, as you said, you're still at 13% positivity.

these variant curves see somewhere between four and six to eight weeks. you're a couple of weeks in and seeing this ramp-up of numbers so you're only halfway through the forest maybe at this point. we will stay on it. we are always a platform to put information out. you let us know what you need. god bless you down there. >> thank you, chris. appreciate it. >> all right, be well. all right, so should the fully vaccinated mask up? you're in louisiana. yeah. 10% of the cases are in the hospitalization category are vaccinated people. so how worried should we be about breakthrough cases? you've got questions. the good doctor, sanjay gupta, has the answers. is he as surprised by that 10% number as i was? a better mind, next. ♪ ♪ oh, son of a poppyseed! ah, there's no place like panera. enjoy the cool, refreshing strawberry poppyseed salad. panera. order on the app today.

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adults now at least partially vaccinated against covid. we're about a month late in reaching what was joe biden's goal. this is a made-up number, though. it's not a -- you know what i'm saying? it's not science. 70% doesn't equal herd immunity, it's just a really good ratio of how many people you have. clearly even though we're at 70%, it is not a magic number because we got all we can handle right now because the delta variant has taken hold and we're seeing cases explode. more importantly, we're seeing hospitals fill up, again, and we didn't increase capacity from the last time and we didn't make more staff. we have chief doctor dr. sanjay gupta here. these cases seem to be a little more severe so you're having more hospitalizations. you've got staff that isn't fully vaccinated and you're understaffed in a lot of places and that's where we see louisiana struggle.

>> right. and this variant is much less forgiving, more unforgiving if you with. people who got away with this, thought this was in the rear-view mirror, i didn't get affected by covid, they're not getting away with it anymore. that's part of why the numbers are going up. as far as is this more severe, does this delta variant more severe? it's unforgiving. as a result like you said you were correct the hospitalizations ends up being the key metric because everything revolves around that. hospitals start to fill up, people start to say, look, we can't take of any more patients and then mitigation measures are no longer an option, they're a necessity. >> why florida? you know, politics aside, they have everything they need down there. it is a travel hub, but so is california, so is texas, so is new york. they're all big population states. why have they had the most cases ever, like since the beginning

of the pandemic? they had their biggest one day. why? >> i think part of it is that they certainly -- like the timing of when they leaned into some of these mitigation measures was slow, inconsistent. at times i ask myself why aren't they hit worse because you would listen to governor desantis and he wasn't advocating for some of the things we knew to be effective. you come to find out that some of the largest counties were acting on their own. you say florida but florida is made up of different places and in different places they're doing different things. you do have a lot of transient people. typically the warmer weather is the best time for people and worst time for the virus but in florida it's super hot so people are going indoors during the hot weather. so you may have ups and downs even as you go into the cooler, drier weather of september, october, november. but we know the virus is contagious. we know what works. it's worked in places around this country and around the world. florida hasn't implemented them as consistently.

>> now we're hearing about breakthrough infections. you heard john bel edwards said 10% of his cases are fully vaccinated people. that sounds really high to me. now, 10% of the hospitalizations he says are fully vaccinated people. but then he said don't forget co-morbidity. help us make sense of it. >> well, you know, you can go back and look at the initial data on the vaccines. what did they say? they were successful because they said 95% protective against severe disease, hospitalization and death. 95%. that was with that variant at that time. as we say, delta may be a little less forgiving. you have a population of people who are vulnerable who may have been more likely to get vaccinated. so they make up a larger percentage of the overall vaccinated in louisiana and they are the more vulnerable. so it could be a confluence of things. it doesn't surprise me that much. what i think people need to

remember is that across the board if you just, again, do an apples-to-apples comparison and say if you are vaccinated versus unvaccinated, what are the chances that a vaccinated person will end up dying of this disease at this point. and it's 0.001%. >> that 0.001% die. 0.004% experience hospitalization. i believe that data but i don't think it's complete. i want to know how many cases there are, because you're asking people to mask up. and mask up is really about so you don't get sick, period. and i haven't seen any data and i don't even know that they measure it. i saw the kaiser foundation data that they say cases reported. but is our reporting system good? >> you know, i think this is a really critical point. we were talking about the inadequacy of testing last year and we're having some of those same conversations.

vaccinated people aren't largely getting tested. do we really know how many people that are vaccinated may be carrying the virus in their nose and their mouth? many of the people who are makers of the vaccines, people who worked on it, they don't like the term breakthrough infection, they call it a post-vaccination infection because they were kind of expected. the vaccines were to prevent you from getting ill, but the idea that you could still test positive because the virus is making its way into your nose and mouth is always possible. the data that you're quoting is of those breakthrough infections, how many of those are severe? that's where the number, the 6,600 severe cases out of 160 million that have been vaccinated, that's where that data comes from. so it's really good at protecting you. will people get sick? yes. will people test positive? yes. but not likely to get severely ill requiring hospitalization or death. that's what it's sort of always been about.

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all right. we talked about the what, all right, which is the cases. now we have to get down to the why. why are more people getting vaccinated? it's good news, but the experts say we're going to need a lot more to get vaccinated to catch up. so what is motivating the new people to get the vaccine? that's the why. and how can we use that information to build on removing hesitancy where we can. let's bring in the wizard of odds. so, harry enten, what do we know about the new people getting vaccinated, where are they? >> fear is the reason people are getting vaccinated.

look at the states right now that have the worst number of new cases, right? louisiana, florida, arkansas, mississippi, alabama. all of those states with the exception of florida were states that had below average vaccination rates overall. but look in the last week. first, third, second, seventh, fourth. all of these states where there are a lot of new cases, that's the places that have a disproportionate number of new vaccinations. so i say fear. fear of getting sick is driving these folks to get vaccinated. >> and just to make your point about fear, show slide two real quick and you'll see how you had a reversal on concerned and unconcerned. >> this is exactly right. are you concerned that someone in your family will get ill from the coronavirus? this is a new monmouth university poll. the concern jumped 11 points nationally from june to july. 42% to 53%. we now have a majority. if we could just quickly jump to slide three here, this will give you a real understanding of how this concern plays a role.

so likely to get vaccinated among the unvaccinated by concern of the virus. if you are at least somewhat concerned about the virus, you are now 35% of those folks are likely to get vaccinated versus just 10% of those who have little to no concern. so again, this is what i'm talking about here. when you have the fear that you might get sick or someone in your family might get sick, that is what drives you to get vaccinated. it's the number one thing as i look at all the data out there. fear. fear of getting the virus is the number one driver in terms of wanting to go get vaccinated when you hadn't gotten vaccinated before. >> so fear can mean i'm going to get sick but also fear can be i'm going to be excluded if i'm not vaccinated. how is that playing? >> we talked about fear of getting sick but what about fear of you might lose your job or you might not be able to go to school or you might be excluded from other activities. look at this, if you need the vaccine for work, school or other activities among unvaccinated nonself-employed workers, look at this, 48% say

they will get vaccinated versus just 52% who say they won't. it's basically a split down the middle. again, we're talking about fear. so, yes, it is true, fear of getting sick is one thing and that can get you to drive to get vaccinated. but fear of being excluded from activities can also drive you to get vaccinated. we're saying all this stuff earlier on, we should give incentives. we'll do a lottery, give you $100. but if you threaten to take away something from them, whether their safety or their job, that may work actually the best. >> that's why you've got to get fda approval also. there are a lot of those people in the hesitancy category who said if it were fda approved, it would make a difference. let me ask you something on live tv. >> yeah. >> is there any reason to be suspicious about whether or not the cdc is not giving us the data on breakthrough infections because it will have a chilling effect on people getting vaccinated? >> no. >> how do they know?

>> 6,500 cases of breakthrough. how do they know? >> it's very hard to track this stuff. there's a limited number of staff to do it. they wanted to get the most important statistic out there and that is actually getting very, very sick. sick enough to be in the hospital, sick enough to die. that's really the most important thing. >> you're asking people to wear masks. that's so you don't get sick and give it to somebody else. it's not hospitalization and die. that's not the message. so you've got to put some numbers to that if you want people to do it again. i'm not seeing the numbers. >> look, the cdc has its own numbers. you shared the kaiser numbers earlier on. a lot of the states are tracking that. we do know they make up a very low percentage. there have also been some studies out there which you're eight times more likely through the studies to get sick if you're unvaccinated. so we do have the numbers out there. we know what the truth is. we know that the vaccinations work. regardless of whether or not the cdc is tracking the exact

number, okay, sure, whatever. but in terms of the actual numbers that matter, we know that the vaccines work no matter what study you look at. >> because you get that 99.999 but then you hear john bel edwards the governor in louisiana say he thinks 10% of the cases in the hospital are vaccinated people. yes, you have co-morbidity but that's a lot higher than 99.99. >> in the research studies in which you're able to control for a lot of different things, we know there's a 25-fold reduction chance of getting sick enough to be put in the hospital or dying if you get the vaccination. so that's more along the lines of 96.4, 95.5. the governor's stats match up with that, especially with the co-morbidities. is it exactly 99%, 95%, 90%, you know, this is real world data. it's messy. but we know that the vaccines are tremendously effective. so if there's one thing i can get through to the audience, our smart audience that's listening here, get vaccinated if you haven't because it can save your life and certainly save you from

severe illness. >> there is no data that we've seen that suggests anything else other than you have an advantage if you're vaccinated against this delta variant. especially in florida, they have four in competition down there right now. but when you hide data or if you don't give enough data, you create opportunity for bs. that's all i'm saying. >> right. it's not hiding data. it's not hiding data, it's just they haven't collected it. >> i'll give you that. i'm not saying they're hiding, i was just a little suspicious. but when you don't have a, peep will fill in the blank and that doesn't always go well in our politics. that's how we got don't fauci florida. >> we're filling in the blanks right now. >> the vixen of vaccines. >> oh, god. good-bye. >> we can't forget about the people on the front lines of this pandemic. i don't mean to suggest that they're a problem, people in the hospitals aren't vaccinated either. that's one aspect of the humanity. they're also doing a job keeping people alive all over this

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an icu nurse who captured the internet's attention back last fall is back to bring the reality home again. get this, she wants you to know this time, it's worse. you may have seen this post from last november. nurse kathryn ivey sherman. she graduated in the middle of the pandemic and shared these photos of how she looked before covid and during the fight in that hospital to keep people alive. but now kathryn says things are getting even worse than last year. a recent threat is also being shared. it's so much worse this time. we all have so much less to give.

we're all still burying the fresh and heavy grief of the last year and trying to find somewhere to put all this anger. but the patients don't stop coming and the anger doesn't stop coming. kathryn joins us now. thank you for doing what you're doing and thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> angry why? >> why not? we're a year into this and people still are making the same mistakes over and over again. and it was bad enough the first time around when it was all still new and you could at least give people the excuse of ignorance, but that excuse as long since passed and we're still fighting the same battle. >> do you have the experience where you work of people who are nurses, staff, doctors even, who don't get vaccinated? >> yes. >> how do you explain that, given all you know and see? >> i have no explanation for it honestly. i got the vaccine as soon as i could. different people have different reasons, and unfortunately

health care workers are not immune to the same sort of misinformation that the general population is seeing day in and day out. so i don't have an answer for you. if i had an answer, then i would have been able to convince a lot more people to get it. >> how could it be worse, let's test the case. oh, it's just starting, we're just starting to see cases. you know, this is just the variant. it can't be worse. how is it worse? >> it's worse because the patients are younger partially. they're a lot younger this time. it's worse because even more so than last time there was a way to prevent this. there's a vaccine. which would have kept most of these people out of the hospital. it's worse because it got better for like a brief shining moment, there was a light at the end of the tunnel and it was getting better. you know, the nurses like me who became nurses during all of this were starting to see what it was like to be a nurse in normal

times. and then the numbers started picking back up and the units opened back up and the respirators came back out and it's like thinking you walked out of a war and being told you have to go back in. it just wears you down. >> are the symptoms the same that you saw the last time? >> primarily yes. they're just awful. every variation, you know, the things covid does to your body are just horrible. i can't make anybody understand unless they have seen it. >> you made an important point. you guys aren't coming at this fresh. you were already on one knee. a lot of people i know in that not really business but the calling of being a healer which you are, people have taken time off.

they have needed it for their health, for their mind, body, spirit. they just can't handle it. it's been too much stuff for too long. and now you're not at 100% and you're being asked to go 110%. how hard is that for you and the team? >> it's very hard. we're all individually running on a lot less steam than we had at the beginning. we are also running with a lot less staff because as you said people have needed time off. a lot of nurses have left the profession entirely because they just can't do it anymore. so we are being asked to give even more when we have much less of ourselves, much less to pull on, and we also don't have people that are waiting in the wings. it's just us. there's nobody else coming in to save us. >> well, look, i have you on here to just tell us how it is, and i wish there was something i could do to tell you that would

make it better, but i just don't know. all i know is what i hear from people all the time about people like you, which is you are the best of us. i know some of you don't get vaccinated. so what. you're still doing your job, and your job is more important now than it ever has been. you know, for generations that came before you. what you're dealing with we haven't seen in a long time, kathryn. if it weren't for people like you who wanted to stick it out and help others, even when they don't deserve it, we would not be where we are today. getting through it will be more on your shoulders than it ever will be for anybody like me or in any of the other professions that are around this. you're in it and you're making the difference, so thank you. >> thanks. thank you. >> i'll check back with you. i know it sucks, and i know that you know that it's going to suck for a while to come, and i feel for you. i appreciate you doing the job. we'll have you back on so you can keep us motivated to understand the realities where you are in tennessee, all right?

>> i'd be happy to do that. >> stay healthy, stay strong, and god bless. thank you. >> thank you. boy, oh boy, i've got to tell you, she's young. i could be her dad, right? imagine all the families who are either doing that job or giving their loved ones to the job and they know that all these people don't want to get vaccinated and they're getting sick and going in there and these people have to keep them alive and get sick themselves. it's amazing how selfish we have been in this situation when you think about it. the denial of how we've made ourselves sick and the selfishness, just in the simple statement of, yeah, i'm not getting it because i'm good. i don't want to deal with it. i don't like it, i don't believe it. what about everybody else? what about everybody you affect? what about people like that? when did the we mean nothing in this country and it all became me? as my kid said to me the other day, me is we, you just turn the "w" upside down. you turn everything upside down.

you make it the opposite of how it's supposed to be. that's how we get where we are, deep denial and selfishness. that's how we got here. it is shameful. i just hope to god that we can find our way out of it by doing the simple things we could have done all along. now, another tragedy for us to deal with. the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is just a month away. never forget. how about january 6th? where is that going to fit in? doesn't belong in the same sentence. i don't think it does. but january 6th is a reminder of our fragility, of our weakness of people, and our inability to see pain when it's obvious. and we have a new reason for that. next. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire

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d.c. metropolitan police officer gunther hashida. may he rest in peace. we need to see his life and

death for what it is. know his name. hashida. same for capitol officer howard liebengood and d.c. metro officer jeffrey smith. why? all three died by suicide, after the january-6th attack. hashida's death, last week, was announced today. they had 45 years of experience, among them. yet, the same people who claimed blue lives matter mocked, laughed, disparaged the wounds inflicted on these men. wounds of that day are going to go far beyond the 140 officers beaten with flagpoles, stabbed with metal-fence stakes, smashed over the head with fire extinguishers, and more. the survivors told you the extent, themselves, last week. >> i've been left with the psychological trauma and the emotional anxiety of having survived such a horrific event. >> are you someone who rolls your eyes when you hear that?

just think about it. that's gotta stop. now, congress did something good here. they approved more than $70 million for the capitol police department, including money for mental-health spending. remember, i look forward to the day when there is no mental health, there's only health. and we see it as holistic, as it is. the department spent months ra ramping up a health program for the, you know, emotional effects on officers. that program's going to be named after liebengood, now, one of the officers lost to suicide. we'll never know if the programs would have made a difference for hashida or any of his colleagues. but we know we got to do more, and if we learn that lesson from the infamy of january 6th, it'll be something. listen to this. >> i want to take this moment to speak to my fellow officers about the emotions they are continuing to experience from the events of january 6th. there is, absolutely, nothing wrong with seeking professional

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