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new book, which i won't even tell you the name of, is now number one on amazon's best seller list. experts say that book, they've looked at it, is full of nonsense, anderson. >> randy, thanks. let's go to chris for "cuomo prime time." we have an exclusive tonight. it's not about covid. but our guest and her message is as powerful as any remedy i know. night bird is here with us tonight, for her first interview since announcing she's out of america's got talent to focus on her fight against cancer. of course, we're focused on covid. and we have news. first, there is concern about a new variant, and we'll get into it with our first guest in a moment. the word comes as we're getting
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all we can handle from the current delta variant, which is now over 90% of all new cases in this country. 9 out of 10. it is now seen as a potential national security risk. how so? lloyd austin, the defense secretary, is expected to seek authorization to make vaccines mandatory for all active duty troops, more than 1 million service members. why? it can tear through and take down so quickly, it could affect our defense capabilities. delta is already affecting our kids in a way that we have not seen before. i know the talk just as you. as long as you get the elderly vaccinated, you'll be fine. no, not with delta. almost 72,000 kids and teens were infected last week, 84% more than the week before, and five times more than june. we've never seen it like this. cases are worse, and this is not just about the elderly needing
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protection anymore. okay? and yet the reality is still being clouded by politics. >> joe biden has taken to himself to try to single out florida over covid. this is a guy who ran for president saying he was going to shut down the virus. and what has he done? he's imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border. we can either have a free society or a biomedical security state. and florida, we're a free state. joe biden suggests that if you don't do lockdown policies, then you should get out of the way. let me tell you this. if you're coming after the rights of parents in florida, i'm standing in your way. i'm not going to let you get away with it. so why don't you do your job, why don't you get this border secure. until you do that, i don't want to hear a blip about covid from you.
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>> look. biden did come after florida's governor by name. but can't we just focus on the people who really matter? more than 11,000 are hospitalized in florida right now. this is not about the undocumented. it's about the unvaccinated, and bad messaging. messaging matters. ask the republican governor of arkansas who is expressing regrets for saying what desantis is saying, for letting his state fall backwards by approving a ban on mask mandates earlier this year. listen to him. >> our cases are at a low point. everything has changed now. in hindsight, i wish that had not become law. >> he was told that at the time. but at least he's trying to do it right now. arkansas reporting a record low number of icu beds available. they're in dire straits. we must snap out of this mindset that getting vaccinated means
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relinquishing freedom. it's the land of the free, and the home of the brave, so let's be brave. protection is what will make us free from this virus. anti-vaxxers got an earful from new jersey's governor today. >> these folks back there, you've lost your minds. you are the ultimate knuckleheads, and because of what you're saying and standing for, people are losing their life. look in the mirror. look in the mirror. >> it applies to some. but not all. we freely use the word covidiots, and see plenty of it. but now is the time to reward people doing the right thing. the good news, delta has scared people straight. vaccinations are at a daily pace
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that is the highest we've seen since july 4th. but it ain't enough. at the rate we're going, which is accelerated, it's good, i'm saying it's good. it's still going to take until mid-february to reach all 90 million plus who are eligible to get at least one dose. we need to do better. we don't have that kind of time. the tension is, while we do want people to do this on their own, and for the right reasons, more and more parts of society are going to force the unvaccinated so they can't keep the vaccinated hostage. los angeles is now considering mandating proof of vaccination to enter many indoor spaces like restaurants and gyms, just like new york city is about to do. let's bring in a better mind, admiral brett giroir. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> the new variant, do you believe, and what do you want
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people to know? >> what i want people to know is, you can repeat this show multiple times in the future if we don't get vaccinated. because the virus will evolve. there will be variants and variants and variants. we're dealing with delta now, it's almost 100% of the cases in the u.s. the next variant is just around the corner. if we do not all get vaccinated. we've been saying this for months and for weeks. i beg the american people to understand that to defeat this virus, we have to get everybody's level of immunity up. and that's just the way it is, chris. >> how dangerous is the political pushback to, hey, you're not going to tell parents what will be done with their kids. we have a free society here, brother. you don't tell us what to do. >> well, you know, i do believe it's a conservative principle. and i believe in local control. and i believe we should empower local communities, local school
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districts, parents to decide on their own what is best. if that's a mask mandate in a community, then we should do that. masks are not perfect, but in schools, when children wear masks, they are safe. and we have to get children back in school. that seems to be the easiest way to do that and to empower local communities without mandates either way. i think local communities and parents will do the right thing, especially with delta surging, and the tremendous increase in cases with young children that you pointed out. >> as we're looking for information here, right, because we're dealing with m misinformation. i believe a lot of it is disinformation, and the difference is intent. mis is, you got it wrong. 2 plus 2 equals 5. disinformation is i know it
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equals 4, and i'm telling you 5 for another reason. that's why the florida governor is wrong, and why the arkansas governor saying my move was bad, is it an important distinction? >> i think it's an important distinction. i think governor hutchison, you know, we all need to revisit and have humility and we all need to admit when we're wrong. but we also shouldn't crucify people when they're legitimately wrong and trying to admit it. don't back them into a corner. we all need to hold hands on this. my god, we have more cases, more hospitalizations now than we had when i was in office last july. we are at a pace to lose 75,000 additional americans by thanksgiving. that's a horrific thought, and one we cannot accept when we have a way to avoid it all. vaccination. we all need to hold hands and do
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this together. >> the idea of the fda getting approval by next month, because now they know, what do you mean, now they know? they've known all along that fda approval wasn't just really important for any booster shots, because you can't have an emergency use@iz authorization a booster. and people that were hesitant put fda approval at the top of the list, especially with kids. why aren't they making it go even faster than that? >> i agree with you, chris. there are 18,000 people who work at the fda, and in my mind, every single one of them needs to be reviewing the packet that was submitted by pfizer in the first week of may, and moderna in the first week of june. there's no new information coming. it's simply reviewing that. this is so critically important. it's important on so many reasons. none of us want to mandate, at
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least i don't want to mandate, vaccines for the military that are unauthorized. but the way to solve this is to get it fda approved. i would say, and i urge president biden, the fda is a faceless bureaucracy to most people right now. it's really critical that he nominate a person of his choice, and have the senate confirm that person, so the american people know in a bipartisan way, we believe in the fda director. that commissioner could have le leadership and be the face of this. that's very important. we shouldn't overlook that. >> we have to get new numbers. the wave of people getting vaccinated for the first time is a good thing. but it may change our metrics in terms of how people feel. as of the last count a few weeks ago, over 50% said, if it were fda approved, i would feel differently. i have a question for you. this may be too in the weeds, so help me with it.
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the cdc puts out the mask change, people lie and say it's about the india study, but it was about what they saw on cape cod. they don't put out any adjoining data as to why they were worried. and then may 1st, the cdc put out that we're not counting breakthrough cases, only if they occur with hospitalizations or deaths. but that was with the alpha variant. given with delta, should they be counting cases, not just hospitalizations? >> let me just give you the best illustration of why they should. in the cdc powerpoint that was published, they were including data from canada, the united kingdom, and israel because we don't have any of our own. we need to collect data on breakthrough cases that are not
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hospitalized. now we're wondering if those cases can be contagious. >> right. >> number two, we have to understand whether cases in the vaccinated transmit to other people. we're inferring that because of the viral load. but some of the israeli data shows that vaccinated people don't really transmit it, even when they have high viral loads. 10% transmit to one person, that would be great news. i support the mask recommendation now of the cdc, but it would be great if we were able to say, wow, even though we're doing this carefully now, vaccinated people are really low risk of transmitting it. even more of a reason to get a vaccine. >> admiral, thank you. you helped me get that out of the weeds for people. that's why i need you, and why i'm going to ask you back on a regular basis. this is not about right and left. it's about reasonable, and
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giving people the right information and guidance. thank you, i hope you and your family stay healthy. >> yes, sir. >> be well. see you again soon. so younger americans, okay, absolutely, and we never said any differently on this show. it was never even across the board. it was always, yes, it's the elderly, the co-morbidity, but it's not true anymore. okay? they used to be the least at risk. now they're among the most. you don't have to believe the suggestion. but you don't get to have your own facts. the wizard of oz is coming on here and showing the changes in demographics of risk in this pandemic and what it means, next.
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can people in the media hype things? of course. but that's not what is happening here. i know, i read it, i see it, social media, you guys reach out to me and say, come on, it's not that bad. yes, it is. and it's not just the numbers. it's who is being affected. okay? young people, children, the cdc now says people age 18 to 49 are most likely to wind up in the hospital with infections. again. 18 to 49. that's what the government says. it's not me, not one guest, not one hospital. okay? even the youngest americans are experiencing worse than we've seen. our wizard of odds is here, harry, to test the theory. let's look at covid hospitalizations age 0 to 17.
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>> that's an indication of severe illness. on the seven day average of new hospita hospitalizations, up to 182, look at that weekly change, it's up 45%. and what is so unbelievable to me, we're starting to near the peak we saw in early january, when it was 217 on the seven-day average of new hospitalizations. we're seeing that even among the youngest in the population, 0 to 17-year-olds, they're making up a larger share of hospitalizations than they used to. >> two quick pushbacks. it's not as bad as it was in january, and they're lower than everybody else. >> number one, look at the rate of change. who knows where we're going to be next week, with 45% upwards per week.
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secondly, that may be true, but they're not only nearing where they were at the peak, but in terms of the total hospitalizations, they're making up a larger share. >> where? >> southeast united states. that is where they're making up a larger share. look here. 116 on the seven-day average, 0 to 17. that's up 63% from last week. and guess what else, that is their highest number. their highest number of the entire pandemic. they're blowing past their january peak in the southeast. so that's translating to hospitalizations and even amongst the youngest of us. >> 0 to 12, still not eligible for the vaccine. we're going to talk to a doctor from florida. they're leading the nation currently in children hospitalized with covid. >> yeah. this, to me, why is the southeast leading? look at this on the seven day average.
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0 to 17, 42. that's up 56% from last week. and the change from the january peak, it's about 68%. we're blowing past that in florida, not just in cases, but in hospitalizations. amo now the young are really getting affected. and you could say that's low, but i dare you to say that to the parents whose children are in the hospital before. >> how many of the eligible kids have been vaccinated? >> this is what is interesting to me. we talked about how fear can drive vaccinations. if you look at the proportion of vaccinations, 12 to 17, it's just 6%. but in the last two weeks, a tripling of the proportion. 19%. so what is happening, parents are seeing rising rates, and they're deciding, maybe my kids
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should get vaccinated. >> what is the big obstacle for the parents with the vaccine? fda approval. >> there you go. >> i'm not saying to short or cheat the process, to abridge the process. just throw more bodies at it. that's all i'm saying. just get it done. if it's just about crunching data, get it done. i'm not saying change the job. i'm saying accelerate the job. it can be done. anything can be done. >> let me just say this. this is a pandemic. we should have all bodies on-deck in the situation. anything that can save a good number of lives, we should be doing. and the data shows if we can get the full authorization, that can save lives, get people and parents off the fence. and i'm for anything that does that. and i think full authorization a can do that.
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>> the wizard of odds, harry enten. >> thank you. and a lot of places are going back to school, florida is one of them. no mask mandate, leads the nation in hospitalized kids. and what happens when kids are concentrated around each other in classes? we have a top pediatrician from florida, and what does she think we need to keep in mind? next.
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i said it slowly so it's easy to absorb, okay? it is bad, it is bad enough that this week, county schools superintendent flipped on mask mandates. used to oppose them, now he's pleading for one from governor desantis. he writes, governor, over the past two weeks, it's become clear that the delta variant is different than the alpha version of the virus. over the last 60 days, i believed that the mask mandate was wrong. but now, we would like to ask for a mask mandate for pre-k to eighth grade. and this is the land of the free because we're the home of the brave. and bravery is having the courage to overcome political
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appetites. so what about parents? what are their best options to protect their ckids. what about my kid, the ones who are too young to get the vaccine? let's discuss with dr. allison messina. doc, appreciate you. >> hi, thank you for having me on this show. >> so what matters? >> what we need to pay attention to is that we're all in this together. this is a very contagious and scary virus. it needs to be an all hands on-deck approach. we need to get more vaccines out there for the people who are eligible. and we need to consider masking indoors for everybody, in order to slow this down. >> what do you think about the idea of let the parents decide
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if their kids wear masks? >> i'm not a political person. you know, i'm an infectious diseases doctor. to me, it's us against the virus. with my doctor cap on, all i'm thinking about is things i can do and protections i can layer to get kids to stay healthy, to get all of us to stay healthy. what that looks like to me is just not giving this virus a fighting chance. you know, i think that, once parents realize that they're doing this not only for their children, but for their community. i hope that that will be something that we can gather all of us around and get behind that message. >> what do you think about why covid-19 infections among kids under 12 are increasing the way they are in florida? >> well, i think the number one thing that is causing that to happen is just the nature of
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this nasty virus and this nasty variant. it's very, very contagious. more contagious than the original. i think that's the major driving force. the next thing is that, you know, we don't have the herd immunity we had hoped for at this point. people are still a little bit on the fence about getting vaccinated sometimes. i think the more people we have vaccinated, the more protection we'll have against it. but we're not quite there yet. and we've relaxed a lot of the infection prevention precautions we had early in the pandemic. and i think those three things are driving this wave. >> the surge is worse for kids 12 and up. they are eligible for the vaccine. i can't blame parents for being concerned about giving their kids a non-fda approved vaccine. in your practice, how important would it be to the parents you come across to have it be fda approved? >> i think for a lot of people,
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they are sort of looking for that fda seal of approval for this vaccine. it's important to realize the important work has already been done. even with the emergency use authorization, this vaccine had to be studied very carefully, in a lot of people. and those safety signals and efficacy studies are great. and they haven't really changed. i think for some that fda seal of approval will be what it takes to get kids vaccinated. if that's true, then great, let's do it. but i think for a lot of us in the field, we realize we already know it's safe and effective. but anything we can do to get more people vaccinated is great by me. >> we often hear when it comes to hospitalizations, but specifically deaths, which thank god is not a big issue with kids right now, co-morbidity, pre-existing conditions, are often part of the untold story.
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and they can make it seem less scary. with kids who are being hospitalized, are we seeing that they had something else going on, or is this just the virus? >> sort of yes and no. i mean, i think it is true, when you look at severity, it's our older kids and kids with co-more b morbidities that have a tough time. but others have a tough time as well. and when a child gets sick with covid, a lot of times that means someone else in that child's family also got sick with covid. that takes a toll on them, too. if you're a child, and your mom or dad is sick or in the hospital or your grandparents pass away, those kinds of things are really traumatic for them, too. it's not just them, what the virus does to everything around
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them. >> doctor, thank you for the work you do, and for helping people understand a little bit better here tonight. >> thank you. >> be well. okay. now, are you ready? thank you for dealing with the tough stuff. so now we can get to something that really i hope hits home tonight. i have an update on one of my favorite guests on this program. why? because of what she's about. she's a powerful lesson for all of us, not on what she's fighting against, but for how she's living how she's fighting. to me, she's an inspiration. because of how she lives, but the talent this kid has. the breakout star on america's got talent, nightbirde. ♪ ♪ i thought that all my problems
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and what really matters in terms of valuing life. an american who goes by the name nightbirde, and news we lead with the latest, the new in news. but i want to start at the moment that has been watched more than 30 million times. >> last time i checked, i had some cancer in my lungs and spine and my liver. >> wow. >> it's important that everyone knows i'm so much more than the bad things that happen to me. >> yes. [ cheers and applause ] >> yes. >> all right. sing for us. ♪ it's okay it's okay it's okay if you're lost we're all a little lost and it's all right ♪ ♪ oh it's all right to be lost sometimes ♪ ♪
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>> wow. [ cheers and applause ] >> that was powerful, heart fel. and i think you're amazing. >> it gave me chills. your voice is so beautiful to listen to. it was beautiful all the way around. >> you can't wait until life isn't hard anymore before you decide to be happy. >> i'm not going to give you a yes. i'm going to give you something else. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> it gets me every time. i don't even care about this show, to be honest.
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i didn't even know what the golden buzzer does, that simon gave her. why? why this kid? we've told you stories about people who are up against it. but there's a combination of the strength in adversity, her making music, her making her words into song and her emotions into this kind of transmissible quality that is just so nourishing. there's just something about her that makes you feel better. and that line, you don't get to wait for life to be better before you decide to be happy. wow, does that hit. doesn't it hit? oh. especially these days, right? we're so overwhelmed by the suck, we're all so up against it and victimized.
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she has a 2% chance of survival. and the next thought in her head is, hey, it's better than 0%. how many of us can do that in our lives? now, even after the instagram update saying her health has taken a turn for the worse, and she won't be able to continue with this season of the show, there's still hope. that's why i want her to come on. she says she's planning her future. she's not planning her legacy. i want her to come on to tell us what is going on with her, why she made the decision that she did. i may have to come after her about it, talk to her about the course that her life is on. and what matters to her and what matters, what should matter to all of us. there she is. there's the kid.
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jane, ordinarily somebody says, no, call me this nickname. i don't do it. but this kid is nightbirde. it's the persona that broke through to us. but it's because of the person behind it. she's beautiful. proof that pain and purpose and hope can all coexist. the gofundme page for nightbirde is one last push to #see jane win. and i got to tell you, i think she's won already. nightbirde, look at you. >> hi. it's good to see you. thanks for having me. >> how are you doing, kid? >> well, to tell you the truth, i've been curled up in a ball, having an a-plus pity party for
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myself. because it's been a bad, bad month. it's been really -- pretty devastating. >> metastatic cancer moving around your body. you were told you needed to take the treatment, 100% seriously. what did that mean to you as a tradeoff for your dream of performing? >> you know what, i'm not a quitter. so it was really hard for me to say that i couldn't finish the show. i got shocking news less than a week ago about cancer regrowth that has taken over my lungs and liver. so my liver right now is mostly cancer. more cancer than liver in there right now. but like i said, like i said, i'm planning my future, not my legacy. some people would call that blind denial. i prefer to call it rebellious
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hope. and i'm not stopping anytime soon. >> no perspective is right. what you decide it is is what it is. i think that's part of your magic. are you still writing music? >> yeah, yeah, i am. i have so to share and i know that i will. i know that i will. >> what are some of the ideas of the music? i don't want to jump you in the moment but give me a little of the lyrical quality of the stuff you like. >> well, there is a song i've been working on right now and i wrote a little bit of it in my caption, when i had to share this bad news and it's pretty beat up but i still got dreams and the cohorus goes i still go some magic in me, the music stopped but i can still sing, i'm pretty beat up but i still
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got dreams and that's a song that means a lot to me and when we're going through stuff like this where really the pain is too much to bear sometimes, it makes no sense at all, if we can hold on to a dream for the future, sometimes that's all we need to get through and i believe in dreams for all of our lives that originated in the imagination of god and just think about like don't you want to see what happens if you don't give up? don't you want to see what happens? and that's what i keep saying to myself and that's what i say to everyone watching tonight. don't you want to see what happens if you don't give up? >> have you always been like this? [ laughter ] >> i don't know. i don't know. i think when you're faced with so many blows to the gut in a row, like i have over the past
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several years, you find out what you're made of in a sense and you're given the opportunity to choose what you want to become. so no, i don't think i was always this -- i don't think i was always this way. >> why me? what is your answer? >> you know what? i try not to occupy myself with questions that are too big for myself to answer. it's a waste of time. you know, just because it's a mystery doesn't mean it's the absence of meaning. sometimes, the mystery means there is more meaning there than we can even understand and so i accept that and i let go of the questions because it's too heavy. >> that's too heavy. man, you breezed through things and you take things on that would cripple the rest of us but
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it is good to see that you can capture the enormity of something. how do you capture the enormity of your impact? i mean, your voice is awesome. look, i told you last time i got a singer at home that's why i know not to jump you and ask you to sing in the moment. i know you got to get ready. your voice is amazing and the way that you put your pain to purpose with your lyrics is always going to be tough to beat. talent and motivation are tough to beat but there is something transcended that is just wowed people. i am not special. and people have told me this from all over the world about you. what does that mean? >> i think the magic of it is that i try to show up as real as i possibly can. we talked about this last time not denying the pain of today and not denying the hope of
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tomorrow and when you go through something that is so devastating makes no sense, there is no answers, you kind of have the choice like am i going to become bitter or am i not? you do have a choice, you know. you do get to decide what becomes of you in a sense and, you know, i've decided in my most painful moments to keep my eyes open because it's easier, it's easier to close your eyes than to give up and forget it but there is so much beauty and poetry to be seen in the world if you're willing to sign off on the pain that it takes to stay awake in the middle of something that hurts so bad, that's all this is. anybody can do it. >> anybody can. but very few do.
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and i think that's part of the magic of you. until the next time, what is the first big goal let's call it for you in the future that your architecting? what's the next big thing you need to happen? >> well, this cancer has got to go. so that's number one. which i really believe is going to happen soon, i really do. and after that, i'm going to write the most amazing record you've ever heard in your life and i'll see you on the road. >> well, i'll tell you what, anyway that we can help you know we're a call away. anything you ever want to play for people, i'm happy to play it, as you know. that's not what my show is about but you are worth deviation because i believe you're exactly who we need to be. we all got to get a little bit of "night bird" in ourselves and remember how do live our lives.
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that's what i believe you've taught me, that we got to remember how to live our lives. >> that means the world to me and i also just want to can't let you go without saying thank you for sharing the go fund me. when i got the bad news, money was not a thought. i just -- any treatment that works for me, i can afford because of you and because of america and everyone that's given and i can't -- i can't express how much that means to me. >> listen, nobody expresses things any better than you do. and just, you know, your gratitude will be your recovery. all right? night bird, be well. i'll talk to you soon. >> thank you. we'll be right back with the handoff. don't rock the boat, baby ♪ ♪ rock the boat don't tip the boat over ♪ here we go. ♪ don't rock the boat, baby rock the boat ♪ see disney's jungle cruise. it's time to rock the boat, america.
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