tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN August 11, 2021 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
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celebrate the city's efforts to reopen after the pandemic shutdown. they'll all be on stage in central park along with more great musicians. you can watch "we love new york city the homecoming concert" august 21st on cnn. want to turn it over to don lemon. the news continues with don lemon tonight. hello, everyone. thanks for joining us. this is don lemon tonight and i've got to get right into this, okay and i want you to really pay attention to this because you have to see what's happening around the country, chaos. what is going on with a lot of americans when it comes to wearing masks to stem the spread of covid especially mask mandates for children who are heading back to school? it's turning so many people into angry lunatics, quite frankly. last night the williamson county school board voted to -- in favor of having children in their elementary schools wear
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masks. and after the meeting one man who spoke out in favor of the mandate was verbally assaulted in the parking lot. police officers had to make sure that he got to his car safely. i want you to take a look at the verbal abuse heaped on that man. here it is. >> you are god abusers! there's a bad place in hell and everybody's taking notes, buddy. >> put it back on. >> put the mask back on. >> put your mask on! >> we know who you are. no more masks! >> keep it calm. we're on these guys side. >> no, you're not. you're not on our side.
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>> the police are on our side. calm down. calm down. >> we know who you are. >> you can leave freely but -- >> i know who you are. i know who you are. let them out. >> you better watch out. you better watch out. >> keep it calm. >> everybody back up. >> back up, back up. >> i'm a parent. >> everyone, peace.
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>> what is happening to us? parents? is that the example you want to set for children whether you agree with mask mandates or not? are people always like this? my parents never acted like this. and none of the parents in my school growing up ever acted like that. i don't know what's going on. it's horrifying. it's chilling. you can't watch it and not be embarrassed for those people and feel sorry for the man. it's just plain wrong that americans are threatening another american who simply wants to protect children while they're in school. he told us that a child in his kid's sixth grade class tested positive for covid just today. and i get that no one wants to wear a mask, i get it. and i get a lot of parents don't want their kids to have to wear one while they're in school, okay. but if it's going to protect
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children from getting infected, isn't that what matters most or what should matter most? look at this map right here. aren't we all in this together? the numbers are getting worse. the map shows most of the country is red. average number of daily cases across the country now at around 116,000. in the past week 94,000 children were diagnosed with covid. and because of the surging delta variant, the cdc now projects the death toll in the u.s. from the virus could reach upwards of 660,000 by the first week in september. but one woman at the tennessee school board meeting so angry about the mask mandate she is threatening to sue now. >> also i'll see y'all in court.
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my child will not be -- >> in the face of all this anger there are some brave people trying to get through with the facts. and i just want you to hear what a respiratory therapist with two decades of experience with works with covid cases and is also a parent told the tennessee meeting. >> you're looking at someone who's exhausted, frustrated and feeling helpless at this point. we know this delta variant affects the kids and it's at an all-time high. some of these babies can't be vaccinated. imagine what's going to happen in the next few weeks? right now over 120,000 americans have been infected with covid in one day kids included. our local children's hospital is on the verge right now and we're just within our first week of school. yes, no more masks sounds good until it affects your family personally. it's our duty to protect our children and we don't have time
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to wait for others to get vaccinated. but what we can do right now is agree that masks will slow the spread. it's our best defense we have to keep some type of normalcy within our community. so let's link arms and protect our children during these unprecedented times while we have the chance. >> she'll be joining me shortly on this program along with a pediatrician who also spoke in favor of masks for kids at last night's meeting. unfortunately, though, the issue of masks especially for school children is so politicized as i've been talking about every night on this program, two republican governors ron desantis in florida, greg abbott in texas standing out in front of everyone and making the issue all about politics. trying to advance their own political futures. desantis and abbott moving to punish local school district officials who are defying them and putting mask mandates in place. today it's even spilling into arizona where gop state law ecmakers are calling on the republican governor to with hold public funds from school systems that require masks for students
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and teachers. but it's not only politicians politicizing covid. a white house reporter for the fox propaganda network trying to trip up the press secretary jen psaki today on the question of vaccine hesitancy, which at this point is vaccine refusal. let's just make it plain. vaccine refusal and trying to blame the president of the united states. watch this. >> at the time when donald trump is out there saying we're going to have a vaccine in the next couple weeks, next couple of months and joe biden is out on the campaign trail saying don't trust donald trump, did that create any kind of vaccine hesitancy? >> not that we've seen in the data. i would note at the time just for context the former president was also suggesting people inject versions of poison into their veins to cure covid, so i think that's a relevant point. >> as if we could ever forget that crazy advice given by the one-term, twice impeached former occupant of the oval office.
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>> i said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and i think he said you're going to test that, too. so it was interesting. and then i see the disinfectant, where it knocks out in a minute, one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs. >> remember that? how soon some people forget. tonight we're also learning more details about the extent of trump's attempted coup. the former u.s. attorney in atlanta b.j. pack, saying he abruptly quit during trump's move to overturn the election results because he heard trump was going to fire him anyway and he apparently believed pack was a so-called never trumper. a source told pack left his job
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as trump was pressuring the justice department to play a role in thaz scheme to claim massive fraud in election results in georgia. quitting two days after this infamous phone call from trump to georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> again, how soon some might forget that. woe know he didn't win georgia and got no help in his scheme from brad raffensperger. and the truth is coming out. the facts can be twisted but they can't be denied. opponents of mask mandates in one tennessee school district showing their rage. up next two medical professionals who attended the school board meeting talk about their experience. >> we know who you are.
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clear. masks protect us from the deadly virus surging in this country. so why are these face coverings the source of so much rage? here's what happened at a school board meeting in tennessee over a debate on whether children in elementary schools should have to wear masks. [ cheers and applause ] >> no more mask! no more masks! no more masks! no more masks! no more masks! no more masks! >> the school board ultimately voted in favor of masks and things got even uglier so joining me now two parn who were at the meeting and were harassed
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for advocating masks in the classroom. i'm so happy that you both are here. thank you, thank you, thank you so much for joining us. it's a really important issue. i got my two great-nephews just went back to school today and i'm praying they're going to be okay in the classrooms. that's as close i get to having children at this point so everyone is concerned about the little ones. so things got very heated at that school board meeting and we heard you pleading to help keep children safe. what were you feeling as you spoke there and then saw all of this blow up? >> i felt hurt. i felt disrespected. i felt disregarded. as a health care advocate for our community, it was a big blow. you know, i -- i put 110% into my community. we don't know who comes through these doors but we take care -- i personally try to take care of
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these patients like my own family members. and they have -- last year they had the mask mandate and this year they have lifted it. and i just want to know that when i go into the hospital while i'm taking care of the community i want someone to advocate and take care of my child. and the vaccine is only available for 12 years and up. i have a 13-year-old. i have a 10-year-old. and i want to know that i can let my guard down when i come home, you know? so i know that the numbers are proof. i know that masks help. they're not 100%. i know vaccines are not 100% but they help. when this pandemic first started what did we do? we trusted the medical experts, and they were able to help us get to the point of lifting the
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mask mandate. but when you lift the mask mandate and you have low vaccinations, what's happening now? the numbers are climbing back up. as of last week our local children's hospitals was on the verge and school had not even started yet. when i dropped my kids off there were about 5% of students wearing masks. during this whole pandemic for the 19 months we've been dealing with it in the hospital, in the icu, we have never had the chance to not wear masks. we've never been able to lift our masks. we have gotten used to seeing our coworkers from just this. we never stopped wearing the masks, and we have to be a advocate for our patients. we are fine. we never got pneumonia. we never got any skin infections.
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and we wear our masks longer than anybody else. there for 13 hours a day. and the only time people let up is for lunchtime. >> and that should be an example for the folks out there because parents do set the example for kids. if they tell the kids it's okay to wear masks and they teach them that the kids will be okay with that. if they say they're bad -- exactly. dr. keefer, you also spoke in favor of wear masks and you were heckled. i want to listen to this and then i'll talk tayou. >> what we've seen in the last year some kids getting sick with covid most of them do really well, but some of those kids having long-term issues with our heart. what i've not seen is any kids coming in with my asthma is acting because i have to wear a mask in school or i have a skin infection because i'm wearing a mask at school. >> please continue. >> thank you. we would love it for there was another way out of this pandemic but what we have right now is a way to vaccinate our students
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and our public. and we can wear masks until all that -- we can wear masks until all of that happens. >> so doctor, you had really good information there. people just didn't want to hear that. can you make any sense of that as a doctor who happens to be a parent? >> you know, it's challenging, don. i've been taking care of children for the last 20 weeks and it's hard for the late public to understand everything about different medical conditions in the same way you don't want to ask me anything about your 401x because i don't know anything about it. so i'm not surprised at it because i've seen disinformation, you know, all the way about vaccines to, you know, wearing helmets to car seats.
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but i've not seen the amount of what seems to be just woeful, you know -- willful disregard for people who really know just a whole lot, people who know a lot more than i do about how infectious disease spread. and for 100 years we've been wearing masks to prevent a spread infecting our patients. if you ever have to have surgery down, somebody will wear a mask. if i'm ever treated for cancer and my immune system is down because of chemotherapy, my health care team is going to wear a mask to help me not get sick. this is not new information. i see about -- every month i see about 4 to 600 different individual patient visits. i've been doing that for the last 13 years of my practice, and during this last year we've not seen children come in and
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the people who were there seem to be indicating that the masks were dirty and they're going to make you sick. well, i can tell you when children wear masks regularly we do not see you because you're sick. >> yeah. you wouldn't say willful ignorance but i will say willful ignorance. you said it's willful disregard. but same thing. they're willfully being ignorant of this because they don't want to learn. they're defying what the science and logic says. i want to play again some of hut we saw outside of that school board meeting as people were trying to leave, these anti-maskers harassing another person who spoke in favor of masks. here it is. >> we know who you are. we know who you are. no more masks! >> keep it calm, keep it calm. >> we're on these guys side. >> no, they're not. they're not on our side. >> the police are on our side. calm down, calm down.
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>> we know who you are. >> you can leave freely but we will find you and we know who you are. >> you'll never be allowed out in public again! >> i know who you are. let him out. let him out. >> wow. so to hear people yell we know who you are, we will find you i mean that's scary. why are people so angry particularly these anti-maskers? what are they so mad about? >> i think they're afraid of another shutdown. i think they have been so enclosed with not being normal that the potential of someone controlling their life, they are stressed out, you know, and they're lashing out. and we are simply -- we don't want to wear the masks either. we are simply trying to be an advocate. we are seeing these covid patients while they go to work
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and live their every day lives. we are just trying to be an advocate for our community. that is it. you know? we right now as of today we are opening up our fifth covid unit and as of a couple hours ago. i just got off work today and we're starting to open up our fifth covid unit. our er is full right now waiting for beds. we are a high acuity of care hospital and a lot of community hospitals depend on us to take their most sickest patients. this virus does not have a respect of person. we know the delta variant is affecting the younger children as well as the younger generation. 98% of our patients right now are unvaccinated. 98%. >> wow. >> so, you know, when we were at
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the board meeting the superintendent even said that the numbers were astonishing. and that was day three that the day on the board meeting that was the third day of school, and the numbers had jumped from friday to that tuesday. so if we don't wear a mask right now what do you think is going to happen? why should we have to wait until we have a shutdown? i want to see football games and cheer leading and plays. i want to see that. i don't want to see the kids at home. the kids learn better at school. so we cannot -- we can't do it by ourselves. we need the community to help us. >> understood. >> if we don't do it together we won't get anywhere. >> i just want to put the numbers up because you talked about it. according to the county school board superintendent which she just mentioned, he said elementary level nurses reported
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25 positive cases since friday. he says an increase at the start of school compared to last year. so that's why the schools wanted a mandate. do you feel like your kids are safe now with the way things are? >> you know, i'm very fortunate, don. my children are all over 12 so they've all been vaccinated. i informed my son who's finishing up high school that even though he'd been vaccinated that i still want him to wear a mask while he was there. because if he's one of those people who maybe didn't respond to the vaccine to develop immunity, i want him to be protected. and if he's one of those people who's not feeling super sick but maybe is infected and could spread it, i don't want it to spread to someone else. fortunately he and his siblings have had jobs where they had to wear a mask every day at work for 6 to 10 hours since march of 2020.
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so because we've coached them up, their work has coached them up, last year the school has coached them up, it's not a big deal to them. >> well, thank you, doctor. i really appreciate your passion, too, calita, and with children you can do a mask challenge, who's got the cutest mask, you know, hand paint your mask, i mean all kinds of things to get them to appreciate wearing a mask instead of saying it's all bad and not even looking at the science, right? >> don, it's very much like when we have a child come in and the parent is like this is going to hurt, that child is going to be scared. but when the parent is like hey find the potatoes in there, that child is like hey this is fun. we can coach our kids up. >> there you go. parents set the example. just because you can have kids doesn't mean you should. thank you both. i appreciate it.
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investigators he resigned in january because trump was considering firing him. according to "the new york times" trump wanted pack out because he wouldn't push bogus claims of election fraud in georgia. joining me now cnn political commentator charlie dent, a former republican congressman and former deputy assistant attorney general harry lichman. u.s. attorney pack said he quit because the president was considering firing him for not getting behind these election fraud lies according to "the new york times." it was suspicious at the time. was that part of the attempted coup? >> i think so. i mean he was really focused on georgia at the time. he in just two days from there will be calling raffensperger and saying i just need those 1,100 votes. and he was totally apluplectic that his u.s. attorney wouldn't go along with the lie. so even though donohue at justice knew it was a law they
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called pack up and said the president is going to fire you. and pack thought i'm going to eare zine with dignity, no one will know about it then. but now he's talking to the judiciary committee they do know exactly why it happened. because the president was fixing to fire him, and why? because he wouldn't support it lie of election fraud in georgia, which he investigated and found no evidence of. >> yeah. we can hear you very well. we can't see you well so we're going to stick with it because what we need most is the information you'll provide, harry. you point out a president can fire a u.s. attorney for any reason or no reason at all. but what about a refusal to lie about an election? this is for harry. >> yeah, so thanks for that. you know, i was a u.s. attorney and i got the sack eventually. and really, you know, he's not going to try to challenge it, but theoretically, don, you couldn't fire him because you didn't like his race. and this is protected speech. you say to him because you won't
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lie about this i'm going to fire you i think it's a technical constitutional violation. but it doesn't really matter. he resigned before it could happen and we know he decided to just act with dignity rather than go along in any way. nevertheless what trump was contemplating i think was probably unconstitutional. >> charlie, if what pack is telling this committee is true do you think this is going to become part of the january 6th investigation? >> well, i certainly hope it does because it really lays down the predicate of what happened. you know, before january 6th when the president insisted on pushing this false narrative. and the fact he'd pressure and try to bully and intimidate department justice officials from jeffrey rosen dale to the secretary of the state of georgia it's beyond stunning. i keep coming back to the fact if any other elected official had picked up the phone and had a conversation with brad
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raffensperger like the president did and it revealed i would have to think that elected official would be prosecuted by state officials and perhaps federal officials. it is just so stunning to me this could happen in america, that a president could use his office to try to really manipulate the justice department. thank goodness we have people like mr. pack and others who, you know, held their ground and did their duty at these institutions and they prevailed. >> charlie, i'm just wondering if any of this is going to make a difference with anything. senate judiciary chairman dick durbin wants to interview president trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows. what do you think? do you think it will happen? >> i know mark meadows. i served with him. but mark meadows, he has to answer questions. you know, he was in the white house at the time. you know, based on a lot of reports he seemed to be aiding and abetting mr. trump, former
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president trump in his attempt to try to change the election outcome. so i think it's fair game that mr. meadows and others in that white house answer questions about their role leading up to insurrection day. and not only -- not just what happened on that day but what happened prior to election day, and this is one of those i think seminal moments we need answers, need some clarity. the american public deserves to know. >> we hope we can get you to a studio next time. we know you had some issues but you came through perfectly clear on your voice. >> can i make a very quick point to charlie? the fulton county d.a. may yet prosecute trump. he's considering -- she is considering prosecuting trump for the raffensperger call so that might happen. >> thank you very much. see, we got it loud and clear. so do you need a third shot of the vaccine?
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cnn learning the fda is expected to authorize covid vaccine booster shots for some immuno compromised people within the next 48 hours. that as a new study suggests the delta variant is hurting vaccine efficacy here in the u.s. although the vaccines still strongly protect people against severe disease, hospitalization and death. joining me now dr. peter hotez, a codirector of the texas children's hospital for vaccine development. good to see you, sir. thank you very much. this preprint study shows that vaccine efficacy is getting worse in july -- got worse in july. moderna's efficacy by the end of july had fallen to 76%. pfizer's dropped to 42%. when you see this study tell me what you think what stands out to you? >> well, the most important
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piece to this, don, is the fact that there's still the protection of hospitalizations and deaths is still there. so that's the single most important component and the one to keep in mind. if you actually look at the data, there's a bit of a drop off in the last month with the pfizer vaccine, but it's hard to know how statistically relevant that's going to be. what worries me is the fact that in israel and elsewhere we're seeing similar things. so it's not just the study. i think what we're starting to see now is the decline in preventing asymptomatic transmission. and we have three or four studies showing it's going down to 50% or 40% and that's concerning. the good news if you got the pfizer biontech vaccine like i did i feel comfortable i'm not going to go to the hospital or the intensive care unit. but the question is going to be what's the trigger from usfda
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and cdc to say maybe we should think about a third immunization adding to theict fayou don't know the sis is waning immunity, declining immunity or unique to the delta variant because the two things are happening at once. and finally there's a lot of data out there that's not publicly available. so i'm pretty confident all these discussions are going on between the companies and fda and cdc. so we'll see tomorrow when they announce the third immunization for immuno compromised individuals and we'll see what conditions they're looking at beyond solid organ transplant recipients, whether they'll give us a hint of what's going on with non-immuneo compromised. >> a booster for some immuno compromised is a big development. but i want you to listen to
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vivev murthy what he told cnn tonight. >> while we think boosters will be needed for a broader set of the population what we're trying to vig yr out when to initiate those doses and who should the doses be available to based on where the need is greatest. >> you say there's a high likelihood a booster will be necessary for everyone regardless of health. when do you see that happening? >> we've been talking about this almost a whole year now and that's to build in greater resill resilience to all the variants coming in from abroad. so i'm anticipating a booster, a third immunization for quite some time. what caught us off-guard a little bit is when the if i see ceo put out a presser saying we
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need to do it for delta and not really providing any of the supporting information. i think when the doctor is saying we're going to take this in stages, people on immuno suppressive therapy especially organ organ transplants then we'll see a third immunization for older individuals and we'll see if we get any indication that we may need to go to that age group next. it's unclear how much information they're going to provide tomorrow, though, in terms of when we think we might need this for the general population. >> let's talk about children under 12. the surgeon general says that a vaccine for kids under 12 could be ready before the end of 2021. how does that change the dynamic of this pandemic? and how fast can we get enough kids vaccinated? >> well, theropy reason we need
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is really kpexemplified with what's going on now. we see lots of young people including adolescents and kids going into hospitals, even pediatric icus. and unfortunately one of the reasons for that is the low up take among young people. so having that option to vaccinate younger school age kids between 5 and 11 would be really great for a lot of parents who really want that comfort level. you know, the truth is if we'd done in the south what's going on in vermont right now where all the adults are vaccinated, all the adolescents are vaccinated 12 to 17 we would not feel this urgency, but we've got a train wreck going on in the south where no one is vaccinated and schools are about to open. everything you're hearing about hospitalizations that's the warm up factor. >> i want to get this next
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question before i lose you here because you told me months ago we would see a red state, blue state divide over covid. sure enough that's what's happening especially in florida, texas where the gop governors are going against experts. so florida has about 6.5% of the u.s. population but about 20% of the hospitalizations and cases. you know, i was talking to you in the commercial break how coming up in the fall and winter are we going to see is it going to get worse? how much worse is this going to get, doctor? >> well, that's the big unknown, right? we know when the schools -- i'm not even thinking about fall at this point, don. remember last fall we started to see the surge up in the mountain west states and in the upper midwest. so we're going to likely see that again in the mountain west states where vaccination rates are also low. but for now it's a matter of getting through the next few weeks as schools open. you know, everybody stamped their feet and said we have to do in-person classes. and i get that.
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i mean, i'm the parent of four adult kids. but when the kids were little my wife anne and i, you know, always wanted to see the kids in school. but the problem is everybody stamped their feet and demanded in-person classes but nobody wanted to roll-up their sleeves and do the hard work and put the policies in place in southern states to make it happen. it meant mandating masks. it meant mandating vaccines for everybody 12 and up. and nobody wanted to step forward and do the hard work. and now i worry when schools open with this raging epidemic, i mean this is a screaming high level of transmission among the highest we've ever seen. and you open up schools without masks, without vaccines and tell me what's going to go well here. and so we're already seeing schools opening up and then a week later so many kids are becoming positive they're shutting it down. and i think there's a good possibility we're going to see a lot of that happening in the south in the next few weeks when schools open early. >> thank you, doctor. i appreciate it. >> thank you. heroes protected the capitol
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>> how dare you! you traitor! [ bleep ]. how dare you! how dare you, traitors! >> while it is unclear who was calling the police traitors, the video was released as evidence in the case against robert geiswine from colorado who has been indicted by a grand jury in d.c. on six counts including using an irritant spray and a baseball bat against u.s. capitol police. i thought they said they weren't armed. some republicans have tried to rewrite the history that have day as some sort of tourist visit or a day filled with hugging and kissing and once
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immunosuppressed people. > joining me now, john harwood, john avlon, gentlemen, good evening. john, what can you tell us about the testimony of former federal prosecutor bj pak? >> this is part of a series of inte interviews the committee is doing as democrats on capitol hill are trying to gather what they can in addition to what the select committee is doing about january 6 and what they found was that this trump-appointed u.s. attorney was told by justice department officials he would be fired unless he affirmed trump's claims of voter fraud in georgia which h
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