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international. the domestic cohorts are being followed on a daily and weekly basis by the cdc. we're going to have to give boosters, so what we're doing, right now the decision is we don't need to do it right now. it's not imminent. but we're preparing as if it will be imminent. so we're going to be ready to do it whenever the data shows that the protection is gone below a certain level because of a combination of the durability of protection and the special effect you're seeing with the delta variant. >> joining us now is andy slavitt, former senior adviser for covid response and author. also cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. gupta gumt. sanjay, we just talked to fauci and he talked about how tomorrow the fda is expected to announce a third vaccine dose for immunocompromised. what do you make of what he said about third doses for the

general population? do you think the u.s. should be more aggressive in this? >> well, you know, i think it makes sense for the immunocompromised right now for some of the reasons dr. fauci was talking about. you know that people who are immunocompromised and who've been vaccinated in the past, we know besides having lower antibody levels, they're far more likely to get sick, 485 times more likely to be hospitalized. it's not just they have fewer antibodies, it means they're getting sicker as a result. let me show you something from the new england journal of medicine published yesterday. it basically shows in transplant recipients, people considered immunocompromised, after the first two shots they had lower antibody levels. but importantly, after they got that third shot, which wasn't really a booster, it was a third shot, those antibody levels went way up. so for the two reasons, anderson, that they had lower antibody levels and they were getting sicker, this makes sense. for the rest of us, you know, we're not seeing people who are vaccinated who are not

immunocompromised really developing serious illness yet. so maybe that happens in the future. hopefully not. but that would be the signal, i think, you'd look for. >> andy, i don't know if it's better data collection but israel has a lot of data collection because of the way they got the vaccines with pfizer, the deal they made. but is what they're doing there, what we will be and should be doing here here? >> anderson, recall that israel began their vaccination process a little bit ahead of us, so i think in many respects we've been looking to them and to a certain extent the u.k. for what we can expect as well as the people who participated in the original clinical trials of the vaccines in 2020. those three things together generally speaking give us a sense of what to predict for the future. i talked with rochelle walensky, the cdc director. she's talking regularly with the people in israel. our sense is that the good

source of data and generally speaking as rule of thumb, we can assume what's happening there today, we're probably a month or two from things that will be under strong consideration here at that point in time. >> sanjay, how tuesday that working? is that something people would go to their doctors for, cvs, or pharmacies? or would they reopen mass vaccination centers? >> i don't think probably the mass vaccination centers -- andy would know better than me, but you're not going to have cohorts of people who may need these third shots, immunocompromised, now maybe it's health care workers or elderly for the reasons that andy's talking about that were vaccinated earlier and their protection is wearing down. but i don't think you would have a single rush. >> andy, is that what you're thinking? >> i think that's exactly right. i think we're probably going to start after with immunocompromised, you wouldn't

want to get too far into late fall and winter without having people in nursing homes completely boosted. so you tart start with 85-year-olds, the nursing home population. then i think you probably go to 60 or 65. depending on where the data takes you, down to 50 and then beyond that. so i think it'll be much more orderly. these booster shots look exactly like the vaccines we've already been given, so the vaccines that are sitting in walgreens today and in cvs today are the same exact ones that will be ready to go into our arms, and the u.s. government had purchased enough vaccines just in case this needs to happen. >> i think like a lot of people, i feel whiplash earlier in the summer and things are opening up, now i'm wearing a mask again north side or when i go outside or to places. i'm reluctant to even, you know, eat in a restaurant inside now. where do you think -- and i know people hate this question because it's impossible to say

accurately. i mean, what is the future of this? a year from now, are we still talking about this every day? a year from now, is this like the flu where it's always out there and there are enough people who are vaccinated or who have gotten covid and, therefore, have antibodies that it has calmed down, that it's not spreading as much? >> we don't know for sure what's going to happen in the future, but it's worth imagining a scenario like this. you know, when it rains, anderson, we could take an umbrella, which would be a vaccination, will protect us. if the rain gets heavy or or slanty or it's windy, which is what we see with the delta variant, then you need to put on a raincoat, like we're doing by putting on masks when you go indoors and being more careful. if you truly want to stay dry in a big storm, it's not going to

cut it to have just an umbrella. i think we're going to experience things like this where it's going to get a little bit worse during certain periods of time until more people are protected. and then at times it will get much, much much better. i think what will influence where we'll be in a year are a couple things. number one, how good a job have we done vaccinating the pockets of the country that haven't been vaccinated yet because they've been resistant? how good of a job have we done vaccinating the globe? number three is do we have an oral antiviral, which people are actively working on, that you can take if you get exposed to covid? those three things we got to do anyway. we got to do them well. they're the top priorities. if we do them well, then i think it's going to be much lighter rain if you let me follow that metaphor in a year from now than it is today than ongoing. >> sanjay, when i think about

that -- so i'm thinking -- i'm a big fan of "blade runner" and it's chaotic outside. it's pretty miserable. is it raining constantly and lighter some days and better some days, sanjay? >> yeah, i think you could say that. the virus is so insidious like this. you can't hear hear it or taste it. it's undetectable. right now there's a ton of viral transformation, so it's torrential rainfall right now. two things will happen. as andy said, it won't be so torrential after a while, but we'll have thicker gear on ourselves. the vaccines now in combination with the natural immunity that's occurred, even with additional variants that may occur, that gear is still going to be protective. ultimately your question was will this become like the flu? in some ways it will.

the flu around day is a descendant of the 1918 flu. that may be the same with covid. >> we'll have masks, maybe not all the time, but in our pockets or accessible. >> like an umbrella. >> all right. andy, appreciate it. sanjay as well. thank you so much. many of the unvaccinated kids in america have no choice, ineligible to get the shogts under age 12 right now. that's why this fight is now so centered around them a. look at growing mask wars in schools ahead. plus, as more cities fall to the taliban in afghanistan, the u.s. is sending thousands of troops back in not to fight the fight. it's about the embassy. a big announcement from the presenting ahead. are rethinking the choices they make like the splash they create the entrance they make, the surprises they initiate. otezla. it's a choice you can make. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting.

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keeping children safe in the pandemic is obviously a national priority, but a lot of people are simply politicizing measures to protect them as noted by our president today. >> i know there are a lot of people out there trying to turn

a public safety measure, that is, children wearing masks in school so they can be safe into a political dispute. and this isn't about politics. it's about keeping our children safe. to the mayors, school superintendents, educators, local leaders who are standing up to the goefrpz politicaling mask protection for our kids, thank you. >> randi kaye has been following mask wars in schools and has the latest. [ chanting ] >> reporter: in cobb county georgia, parents face off about masks. in this school district, masks are optional. >> our children, our choice! our children, our choice! >> mask up!

>> reporter: despite the science that supports the ef-- >> from the masks, to me is more harmful than the mask, you know, of not centering mask on. >> this was the scene recently in warren county kentucky where masks are required in school. >> i have a grandchild that i have custody of and that's my choice. >> kids they'd to learn facial recognition, how to communicate. >> i think children should wear a mask also. >> reporter: in williamson county outside of nashville -- parents clashed at a recent protest. >> we know who you are. >> we know who you are. >> we know who you are. >> you can leave freely, but we will find you and we know where you are. >> you will never be allowed in public again. >> reporter: it got so heated, police stepped in. [ cheers and applause ]

at the school board meeting wednesday night, masks were debated for hours, with board members becoming the target. >> actions have consequences. if you vote for this, we will come for you in a nonviolent way. >> reporter: in the end, the board of ed approved a temporary mask requirement. and in broward county, florida's second largest school district, protests were also heated. here, masks are mandatory, allowing parents to opt out only for medical reasons. >> my child is not wearing municipal masks. >> reporter: even with the mandate in place, those opposed to it aren't giving up. >> would you show us a clinical trial that masks do work. >> your job is not to make medical decisions for our children. i believe my wife and i are doing a fine job of that, and we don't need your help, nor did we ask for it. >> randi joins us now. what do you know about the hundreds of students who are now quarantining not far from where you are in florida?

>> reporter: yeah, anderson, it's happening right here in palm beach county after just the second day of school. 440 students are in quarantine after covid was dedicated. according to the online dashboard for the palm beach county school district, they say that more than 50 cases have been confirmed among students and teachers. they are spread across 20 schools. at one high school there are seven students who tested positive, one elementary school. there are four who tested positive. palm beach county at it state's tenth largest school district. they have a mask mandate, but parent are allowed to opt out for any reason, but this is exactly why you saw scenes like we saw playing out across the country. parents are very concerned about the masks. many of them fighting to get those masks in place so it doesn't happen -- what they see in palm beach county doesn't happen to them. here in florida, it's an uphill battle, because as you know, the governor banned mask mandates in schools. he wants parents to have a choice and he wants them to be

able to opt out, and the cdc, of course, wants universal masking for students k-12. but again, you see those scenes playing out across the country. it's certainly a battle, anderson. >> randi, thanks. for more on the threat posed to kids by the delta variant surge, we want to bring in medical analyst dr. leana wen. you saw the parents questioning whether masks work. last night i spoke to a researcher from duke university who studied more than a million students and staff in north carolina. according to him, the bottom line is there's less than a 1% chance of in school covid-19 transmission when universal masking is in place. logically that's hard to push back on. >> right. at this point we have so many data points, so many studies that show that masks are one of the few tools, actually, that we have to protect our unvaccinated young kids. for older kids, for adults, we have the vaccine, which is a very powerful tool. but for younger kids, we don't have that much.

and so it's so frustrating to see that we as a society are failing in our basic duty to protect our kids. in fact, we failed them all along this pandemic. last summer we opened bars instead of schools. we as adults didn't get vaccinated in large enough numbers, and that's why we're having the surge of the delta variant. now we're taking away one of the few tools available to protect our children. i mean, it defies logic and common sense. we worked be united in our goal, which is to keep our schools open so that parents can also go to work, so our economy can thrive, and ultimately to protect our children's health also. >> you know the argument from those who do not want kids wearing a mask in schools for a variety of reasons. they will say, well, look, it's not that bad in kids. yes, you know, we're hearing from nurses and doctors in various hospital wards that pediatric, you know, emergency rooms are full or icus with kids this time around with the delta

variant. but still the numbers are relatively low compared to, you know, covid in unvaccinated adults, and, therefore, the harm done by mask mandates and kids not communicating with each other in the way and the strain it puts on, it's not worth it. what do you say? >> i would say that this is not about an individual choice. an individual parent could look at those numbers and say, well, i'm not that worried about my child getting covid. in a sense, it's their right to feel that way if this were not a communicable disease, as in parents can choose what their kids eat and maybe we charlotte hornet be bothered by that. by saying your child is not going to wear a mask, that's going to impact the ability of all of us to move on from this pandemic. this becomes a false argument because we're dealing with a potentially fatal illness that

is highly transmissible and is the reason why there are already schools that are being shut down because there are not mask mandates in place. >> the transmissibility of it is an important point to just focus on briefly. i think with the delta variant, and correct me if i'm wrong here, it's far more -- a person who is positive and unvaccinated with the delta variant will pass it on to far more people than they would have if it wasn't the delta variant, if it was the earlier, the original form of covid, that was passed on to, like, two people by one person. but this can be passed on to many more people, right? so a kid going to school who can't be vaccinated, who is not being tested every day who has covid and may be asymptomatic, they could potentially pass this on to an entire classroom of people. >> right. in the same way, a child can contract covid from somebody in class and then bring it back to their parents, to

immunoco immunoco immunocompromised grandparents and so forth. i think there are a lot of parents wondering too, well, what i can i do? there's a lot that's outside of my control, maybe if the school is not requiring masks, what should. >> i? well, wearing a high-quality mask with a child still really matters, at least an n95 or a three-ply surgical mask. if the child can tolerate it, an n95. talking to parents can help as well because there are other parents who are going to feel the same way as you and maybe you can all decide as parents in a class that all of your kids are going to be wearing masks. that's something that will protect everybody and help to set the norm. and i do think there's a lot of power that parents have in, for example, insisting that there's testing or insist that go people also know about when cases come up and parents should get together and not seize power at this point. >> dr. w exn, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the latest on the troops heading to afghanistan as taliban forces

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ability 3,000 american soldiers and marines are heading to afghanistan. their mission is to keep the drawdown of u.s. and afghan personnel from kabul from turning into something worse. this came as taliban took ha rat, the third largest city in afghanistan and one of 12 provisional capitals to fall. another is 100 miles from the nation's capital. joining us for more is cnn's oren leisure. >> the key point that the pentagon was making is it's now time to make sure that u.s. embassy staff there can get out as part of a partial drawdown of the embassy staff. and they serve another purpose

in securing the international airport, which is effectively the international gateway in and out of the country, especially now with the surge the taliban. they will also be there to assist in the secure withdrawal and removal of afghan interpreters who helped the u.s. as well as their families out of the country, a process that's rapidly accelerating on the part of the biden administration with the events of the taliban. and the momentum they have doesn't show signs of slowing down. >> the u.s. embassy is urging american stoyces leave the country immediately. we have teams on the ground there. what are americans' options for getting? there are still commercial flights and turkish troops control the airport now. >> turkish troops are in charge of security at the airport. there are some u.s. troops there as well. you're absolutely right, anderson. there are some commercial flights there, but the but the pentagon also says it's aware it may have to come in and operate in an air lift role as part of this. so there could be aircraft moving people. that's not part of the plan at

this point, that is, to get the american citizens out. but it certainly could become part of this plan as the pentagon watches the situation deteriorate and deteriorate quickly. >> how organized is the removal of afghans who have worked closely with the united states? i mean, there are hundreds, if not thousands who work at the embassy itself. there's certainly many more who have worked on bases all across afghanistan over the last 20 years. >> well, not nearly as organized as it should be, only because of the numbers here. a small fraction have gotten out. about 1,200 or so at this point. but that leaves thousands, more than 10,000, in fact, afghan interpreters and those who have helped u.s. forces as well as their families, which is tens of thousands more that now have to be gotten out on an accelerated time line. in addition to the 3,000 forces that go go in to help in that withdrawal, that drawdown, there will be another 3,500 soldiers in kuwait on stand by in case they're needed for security, as well as 1,000 soldiers and airmen in qatar to assist in the

visa application process for those afghans who are trying to get out of the country. and the last point i'll make, the u.s. is using word like drawdown and withdrawal and reduction. the afghans see this as evacuation and abandonment, a severe blow to their morale. >> america is leaving. appreciate it. thank you. william cohen served as defense secretary during the clinton administration. does it surprise you that cities around the country have fallen to quickly? do you think kabul itself will fall? >> well, the rapidity at which the provinces have fallen i think only confirms president biden's decision to say that our time there has come to an end. what i would disagree with is

setting a time certain. that has worked to the disadvantage of the united states and to the great advantage of the taliban. so i think now we're faced with a situation in which i believe there had to be an intelligence failure along the way, that we're now coping and trying to enforce our forces to save our personnel in the capital. i find it hard to believe that we have been reduced to a point now where we're asking the taliban not to attack our embassy. i can't imagine the world's most powerful military nation begging taliban to say don't touch our embassy personnel, that's our sovereign territory. i can't imagine any other country would tolerate that notion that they would attack us. but in the event, i think the president made the right decision to get more troops in there to get us out as quickly and safely as we can, not only us, but as you just talked about, those who have helped us.

if we don't, that will have a major impact upon our decisions in the future and asking people to support us in the future. if we don't take care of them, we can bet they'll never take care of us in the future because they won't trust us. >> we've seen this in iraq and vietnam failing the people who helped us. let me ask you, on a larger issue, the taliban has received foreign support as well. but not the extent of training and resources and equipment. i mean, tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars over the years that have gone into trying to build up the afghan national army going back to when the u.s. first got involved in afghanistan after 9/11. i remember watching special forces training afghan troops in 2002 in may or june. that was the u.s.' top priority. how is it with all of that they're not standing up and fighting? is it just complete lack of

confidence in the afghan state to back them up? >> i think that's part of it. i think that the afghan government doesn't have the support, obviously, of the afghan people. and with the assault taking place by the taliban, those who are surviving in the field or in the cities are saying i'm trying to save my head and i'm going to turn and fight with those who are coming in rather than risk being beheaded by the taliban. but if it really comes back to this notion of how did we get here? if you go back and look at all of the positive, optimistic reports that were filed on the part of the pentagon and the white house over the years, saying, > gee, we're doing well, go back and look at what general mccaffrey, who was retired at that point and went and did an assessment. he said it was all a sham in terms of the support that the afghan government had because of corruption and other activities,

and there was no real military fighting force on the part of the afghan army and police. and he said that back in 2006. presciently, he said if there is hope of training others this country to be able to sustain itself, it will take at least until 2020, and that was said in 2006, so i think congress is going to go back and look at the intel that was communicated to those in decision-making positions to say what was the basis of your optimism? why didn't you tell us what was going on that others could see that you failed to see? >> william cohen, appreciate your time and expertise. thank you very much. still to come a truly devastating story of a father whom authorities say murdered his two children, and the reason, he cited qanon theories about why he did it. he believed they were going to become lizard people according to the fbi. we'll have this story. later, a major new development in the case of britney spears and her conservatorship 13 years in the

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. the qanon conspiracy theory,

which is an anti-semitic theory has been devastated for this country and destroyed families in the cross. in one case in california, it may have resulted in the most tragic consequences possible. we want to warn you the first words of this report are very hard to take. the rest aren't any easier. cnn's josh campbell has details. >> reporter: two small children stabbed in the heart with a spear fishing gun, their own father allegedly leaving their bodies in a ditch in mexico. mexican authorities describe in difficult details. >> translator: under the bushes, they found the lifeless bodies of two children, one female, one male. >> reporter: authorities say 40-year-old surf instructor matthew taylor coleman from santa barbara, california, con fessed, after being enlightened by qanon.

police and federal agents were called in after the children were reported missing by their mother. authorities tracking coleman's cell phone to mexico. surveillance video images released by authorities show coleman checking into a hotel with his children august 7th. just before 3:00 a.m. august 9th, he packs them up and leaves the hotel. returning hours later alone. he was stopped by border officials while returning to the united states. u.s. customs and border protection officers finding blood on the vehicle's registration paperwork but no children. the fbi soon learned from mexican authorities that the bodies of two children were found overnight, along with the murder weapon, bloody clothes, and a baby's blanket. according to the criminal complaint, coleman allegedly told authorities he was receiving visions and signs reeling that his wife possessed serpent dna and had passed it onto his children. he also allegedly telling fbi he was saving the world from monsters. he was arrested and charged with the foreign murder of u.s.

nationals. >> just a horrific, tragic loss. >> reporter: his neighbors back in santa barbara, stunned. >> just shocked, frankly. immensely tragic and having known the two kids and the family -- it's just awful. >> josh campbell reporting. now author of "inside mind of qanon." mia, i was so sickened when i heard this story. at the same time, you know, not surprised because this whole thing of lizard people, which is apparently, according to the fbi report, what this guy was believing his children were going to be turned into or were turning into, has been around for a while. and i've had qanon believers tell me about it. i mean, where does this even come from? it's been around for a long

while. >> so since about 1999, there's a british -- i guess he's an ex-soccer player and bbc news presenter named david ike. he's been producing books about lizard people since 1999. he's produced about 20 books and he's on this, you know, sort of the talk circuit where he gives talks to these very large groups of paying customers. and basically it's anti-semitic. they talk about a cabal controlling things led by the roth child family. so a lot of what ike has been saying for the last 20 plus years fits very well with the qanon conspiracy. >> i mean, it's an important point i was talking about recently that this is -- this is just age-old anti-semitic

tropes, the idea of the eel aluminum natty, the nazis saying the jews were drinking the blood of children, qanon people claim that celebrities and democrats and others are drinking the blood of children for, you know, some bizarre chemical. what are they saying? you've been following qanon channels since the murder of these children. what are they saying about it? that's it's a false flag? what is it? >> so basically i went through with your producer the qanon channels. there was only one channel that even mentioned it because they were referencing a fox news show. and they said it's a false flag. but we have such a short memory. there have been at least half a dozen instances of parents, mostly women, killing their children in the last four months alone. in los angeles just this last april, there was a woman who killed her three children also claiming because she was inspired by qanon to protect

them from the global cabal. >> you know, people think that is is just something that's gone away with the man in mar-a-lago, but it hasn't. and the idea that, you know, people really believe this is the point where -- are these -- i mean, clearly some of these people have issues, mental health issues before this, and this gives them a justification perhaps? or would they have done these without these qanon beliefs? >> one of the things that my coauthor found -- and she is a board certified clinical and social psychologist -- was if the average rate of mental illness in the country is 17%, 18%, among the people who've been arrested associated either before january 6th or as a result of the failed insurrection, qanon people have a 68% indication of mental health problems, which is much

higher than 18%. so part of it is, are they mentally ill and that's what attracted them to qanon o is being part of qanon causing this? because it's very traumatic to consume the material that qanon keeps putting out there. >> and obviously we should point out mental illness doesn't lead to violence. most people who have mental health issues, it doesn't end up in violence like this crime. thank you. the police chief in chicago tlingd death of one of his officers to what law enforcement authorities say are lax bail reform laws. what the evidence says when we continue. scuff defense. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusively at the home depot.

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after months of public pressure by the so-called free britney movement and britney spears' emotional pleas to a judge, the singer's dad says he intends to step down. in the legal response, her father jamie spears writes, when this conservativeship was initiated britney spears was in crisis desperately in need of help. mr. spears has always done what he believes was in his daughter's best interest. no one loved her as much as a parent could. he has offered his daughter love, support and encouragement both as her conservator and her father.

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