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masking. that and the reality with classes starting and the delta variant sending more and more kids to the hospital that masking works. we'll talk about the facts tonight as well as the political voices trying to shout over the evidence. there is breaking news as well. israel tomorrow lowering the age for a third dose of covid vaccine from 60 to 50. the announcement coming as the cdc advisory panel prepares for a possible vote tomorrow on third doses for millions of immunocompromised americans. earlier tonight i spoke to dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, president biden's chief medical adviser, and i asked him what would prompt u.s. authorities to do what israel just did? >> we in this country are collecting data from multiple cohorts, both domestic and international. the domestic cohorts are being followed literally on a daily and weekly basis by the cdc. we are assuming that sooner or later we're going to have to give boosters. so what we're doing right now, the decision is we don't need to do it right now. it's not imminent.

but we're preparing as if it will be imminent. so we're going to be ready to do it whenever the data shows that the protection is gone below a certain level because of a combination of the durability of protection and the special effect you're seeing with the delta variant. >> joining us now is andy slavitt, the president's former senior adviser for covid response and author of "preventable: the inside story of how leadership failures, politics and selfishness doomed the u.s. coronavirus response." also cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. we just talked to fauci. he talked about how tomorrow the fda is expected to announce authorizing a third vaccine dose for immunocompromised. what do you make about what he said about boosters and third doses for the general population? do you think the u.s. should be more aggressive in this? >> well, you know, i think it makes sense for the immunocompromised right now for some of the reasons dr. fauci was talking about. you know that people who are immunocompromised and who've been vaccinated in the past, we

know besides having lower antibody levels they're also far more likely to get sick. 485 times more likely to be hospitalized. so it's not just that they have fewer antibodies. it's that that means something, they're actually getting sicker as a result. let me show you something here from the new england journal of medicine. this study came out yesterday. it was published yesterday. that basically shows in transplant recipients, people who would be considered immunocompromised, after the first two shots they had lower antibody levels. but importantly, after they got that third shot, which wasn't really a booster, it was i athird shot, those antibody levels went way up. so for the two reasons, anderson, that he had had lower antibody levels and they were getting sicker, this makes sense. for the rest of us we're not seeing people who are vaccinated who are not immunocompromised really developing serious illness yet. so maybe that happens in the future. hopefully not. but that would be the signal i think you'd look for. >> andy, does israel -- i mean, i know they have -- i don't know if it's better data collection but they have certainly a lot of data collection because of the

way they got the vaccines with pfizer, the deal they made. but is what they're doing there what we will be doing here and should be doing here? >> well, anderson, you'll recall that israel began their vaccination process a little bit ahead of us. so i think in many respects we've been looking to them and to a certain extent the uk for what we can expect as well as the people who participated in the original clinical trials of the vaccines in 2020. and those three things together generally speaking give us a sense of what to predict for the future. and i think you know, i talked with rochelle walensky, the cdc director. she's talking regularly with the people in israel. our sense is that's a good source of data and it generally speaking as a rule of them, we can assume what's happening there today, you know, we're probably a month or two from things that will be under strong consideration here at that point in time. >> and sanjay, how do you see

that working? is that something people would go to their doctors for, go to cvs or pharmacies for or would they reopen mass vaccination centers? >> i don't think probably the mass vaccination centers. andy would know better than me. but you're not going to have these cohorts of people who may need these third shots. immunocompromised now. maybe it's health care workers or elderly for the reasons that andy's talking about. they were vaccinated earlier and their protection's wearing down. but i don't think you'd have the -- probably doctor's offices and pharmacists and be able to make it part of the medical record. >> andy, is that what you're thinking? >> that's exactly right. i think we're going to probably start after immunocompromised, sanjay would probably guess the same way, you wouldn't want to get too far into late fall and winter without having people in nursing homes completely boosted. so you start with 85-year-olds and 75-year-olds which largely are the nursing home population. then i think you probably go to 60 or 65 and depending on where the data takes you, down to 50

and beyond that. so i think it will be much more orderly. the good news is these booster shots look exactly like the vaccines we've already been given. so the vaccines that are sitting in walgreen's today and in cvs today are the same exact ones that will be ready to go into our arms. and the u.s. government's gone ahead and purchased enough vaccines just in case this needs to happen. >> andy, lately i think like a lot of people i've sort of felt like i've had whiplash earlier in the summer. i was thinking oh, look, things are really opening up, everything's great and now i'm wearing a mask again indoors when i go outside or to places. and i'm reluctant to even eat in a restaurant inside now. what do you think -- and i know people hate this question because it's impossible to say accurately. but what is the future of this? a year from now are we still

talking about this every day? a year from now is this a thing like the flu or it's just something that's always out there and there's enough people who are vaccinated or who have already gotten covid and therefore have antibodies that it has calmed down, that it's not spreading as much? >> well, none of us knows for sure what will happen in the future but it's worth kind of imagining a scenario like this, you know, when it rains, anderson, we can take an umbrella. if it's raining lightly. and that umbrella which would be a vaccination will protect us. if the rains get heavy or the rain gets slanty or it's windy, which is i think what we're seeing with the delta variant, then you need to put on a raincoat like we're doing with -- by putting on masks when we go indoors and being more careful because if you truly want to stay dry, you know, in a big storm you're not -- it's not going to cut it to just have an umbrella. so i think we're going to experience things like this

where it's going to get a little bit worse during certain periods of time. until more people are protected. and then you know, at times it will get much, much, much better. i think what will influence where we'll be in a year really are a couple of things. number one, how good a job have we done vaccinating the pockets of this country that haven't been vaccinated yet because they've been resistant. number two, how good of a job have we done vaccinating the globe. and then number three i throw in is do we have an oral anti-viral which people are actively working on that you can take if you get exposed to covid. those three things we've got to do anyway. we've got to do them well. they're the top priorities. and if we do them well, then i think it's going to be much lighter rain if you're looking at that metaphor in a year from now than it is today and that it will be ongoing. >> sanjay, i want your vision on this. when i think about that, i'm a big fan of "blade runner," the original movie, and it's raining constantly and it's very chaotic

outside and it's pretty miserable. so is it raining constantly and it's lighter some days and better some days, sanjay? >> yeah, i think you can say that. the virus is so insij wous like this, you can't see it, you can't feel, it you can't hear it, it's undetectable, and if it was rain it would be much easier in some ways because you'd know when its wa raining. but i think we're always being showered in viruses. right now there's a ton of viral transmission, so it's sort of torrential rainfall right now. two things will happen. as andy said, that it won't be so torrential after a while. but we're also going to have thicker gear on ourselves. the vaccines now in combination with the natural immunity that's occurred, even with additional variants that may occur, that gear is still going to be protective. ultimately your question was will this become like the flu? yeah, think in some ways it will. the flu that's around today is a great, great, great, great descendant of the 1918 flu. so it never really went away and that may be the same with covid.

>> and we're all going to have masks, if maybe we're not wearing them all the time but we're going to have them in our pockets or accessible if we need if. >> like an umbrella. >> like an umbrella. andy, appreciate it. andy slavitt. sanjay as well. thank you so much. many of the unvaccinated kids in america obviously have no choice, ineligible to get the shots under age 12 right now. that's why this fight is now so centered around them. a look at growing mask wars in schools ahead. plus as more cities fall to the taliban in afghanistan the u.s. is sending thousands of troops back in. not to fight the fight. it's all about the embassy. big announcement from the pentagon ahead. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusively at the home depot. you've been taking mental health meds, and your mind is finally in a better place. except now you have uncontrollable body movements

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local leaders, who are standing up to the governors politicizing mask protection for our kids, thank you. >> randi kaye has been closely following the mask wars in schools and has the latest. >> mask in class! >> reporter: in cobb county, georgia this afternoon parents faced off on the issue of masks. in this school district masks are optional. >> our children our choice. our children our choice. >> vaccinated! mask up! >> despite the science that supports the efficacy of masks, this protester believes they are dangerous for children. >> the germs that they're just having to breathe in and out day in and day out from the masks to me is more harmful than the mask -- of not having a mask on. >> reporter: this was the scene

recently in warren county kentucky where masks are required in school. >> i've got a grandson that i have custody of and that is my choice. >> kids don't need to breathe carbon dioxide all day. kids need to learn facial recognition, how to communicate. >> i think children should wear a mask also. >> reporter: in williamson county, tennessee outside nashville -- parents clashed at a recent protest. >> we know who you are! we know who you are! >> you can live freely but we will find you. >> you'll never be allowed in public again! >> it got so heated police stepped in. at the school board meeting wednesday night masks were debated for hours. with board members becoming the target. >> actions have consequences. if you vote for this, we will come for you in a non-violent way. >> in the end the board of ed approved a temporary mask requirement. and in broward county, florida's

second largest school district, protests were also heated. here masks are mandatory, allowing parents to opt out only for medical reasons. >> my child is not -- >> are you going to bully him into wearing a mask? >> reporter: even with the mandate in place, those opposed to it aren't giving up. >> would you show us a clinical trial that is peer reviewed that masks actually do work? >> your job is not to make medical decisions for our children. i believe my wife and i are doing a fine job of that. and we don't need your help. nor did we ask for it. >> randi joins us now. what do you know about the hundreds of students that are now quarantining not far from where you are in florida? >> yeah, anderson, that's happening right here in palm beach county. after just the second day of school 440 students are in quarantine after covid was detected. according to the online dashboard for the palm beach county school district, they say that more than 50 cases have been confirmed among students

and teachers. they are spread across 20 schools. at one high school there are seven students who tested positive. one elementary school there are four students who tested positive. now, palm beach county is the state's tenth largest school district. they do have a mask mandate. but parents are allowed to opt out for any reason. but this is exactly why you saw scenes like you saw in our story playing out across the country. parents are very concerned about the masks, many of them fighting to get the masks in place so it doesn't happen what they're seeing here in palm beach county doesn't happen to their district and their children. but here in florida it is an uphill battle because as you know the governor issued that executive order banning mask mandates in schools. he wants parents to have a choice. he wants them to be able to opt out. and the cdc of course wants universal masking for students k through 12. but again, you see those scenes playing out across the country. it's certainly a battle, anderson. >> randi, thanks. for more on the threat posed to kids by the delta variant surge i want to bring in cnn medical analyst dr. leana wen author of

"of lifelines: a doctor's journey in public health." last night i spoke to one of the researchers from duke university who studied more than i a'll m students and staff in north carolina and according to him the bottom line is there's less than a 1% chance of in-school covid-19 transmission when u universal masking is in place. logically that's hard to push back on. >> right. and at this point we have data points, so many studies that show that masks are one of the few tools actually that we have to protect our unvaccinated young kids. for older kids, for adults we have the vaccine, which is a very powerful tool. but for younger kids we don't have that much. it's so frustrating to see that we as a society are failing in our basic duty to protect our kids. and in fact, we've failed them all along this pandemic. last summer we opened bars instead of schools. we as adults did not get vaccinated in large enough numbers and that's why we're

having the surge of the delta variant. and now we're taking away one of the few tools available to protect our children. i mean, it defies logic and common sense. and ultimately, we really should be united in our goal, which is to keep our schools open so that parents can also go to work, so our economy can thrive, and ultimately to protect our children's health also. >> you know the argument from those who do not want kids wearing a mask in schools for a variety of reasons. they will say, well, look, it's not that bad in kids. yes, we're hearing from nurses and doctors in various hospital wards that pediatric emergency rooms are full or icus with kids this time around with the delta variant but still the numbers are relatively low compared to covid in unvakdnated adults and therefore the harm done by mask mandates and kids not communicating with each other

and the strain it puts on, it's not worth it. what do you say? >> i would say that this is not about an individual choice. an individual parent could look the athose numbers and say, well, i'm not that worried about my child getting covid. in a sense it's their right to feel that way. if this were not a communicable disease. as in parents can choose what their kids eat and maybe we shouldn't be bothered by that. but this is very different because by saying that your child is not going to wear a mask that's also going to impact my child. that's also going to impact the ability of all of us to move on from this pandemic. so i think this becomes a false argument because we're dealing with a potentially fatal illness that is highly transmissible and is the reason why there are already schools that are being shut down, because there are not mask mandates in place. >> the transmissibility of it i think is a really important point to just focus on briefly. i think with the delta variant, and correct me if i'm wrong

here, it's far more -- a person who is positive and unvaccinated with delta variant will pass it on to far more people than they would have if it wasn't the delta variant, if it was the earlier -- the original form of covid that i think was passed on to like two people by one person. but this can be passed on to many more people, right? so a kid going to school who can't be vaccinated, is not being tested every day, who has covid and may be asymptomatic, they could potentially pass this on to an entire classroom of people. >> right and in the same way a child can contract covid from somebody in class and then bring it back to their parents, to immunocompromised grandparents and so forth. this is the reason why masking indoors remains so important. and i would just say i think there are a lot of parents who are wondering too, well, what can i do? as in there's a lot that's outside of my control. maybe the school is not requiring masks, what should i do. >> well, wearing a high-quality

mask with a child still really matters. so at least a three-ply surgical mask. but ideally if the child can tolerate it on n95 or kn95. talking with other parents will help as well because there are other parents who are going to feel the same as you and maybe you can all decide as parents in a class that all of your kids are going to be wearing masks. that's something that will protect everybody and help to set the norm. and i do think there's a lot of power that parents have in for example insisting that there's testing or insisting that people also know about when cases come up and parents should get together and not seize power at this point. >> dr. wen, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the latest on the troops heading to afghanistan as taliban forces gain more ground. and the question, how after 20 years did it get to this point so quickly? former defense secretary william cohen joins us. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. the recipe we invented over 145 years ago and me...the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier.

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about 3,000 american soldiers and marines are heading to afghanistan. their mission, in so many words, is to keep the drawdown of u.s. and afghan personnel from kabul from turning into something even worse. this came as the taliban took herat, the third largest city in afghanistan and one of 12 provisional capitals to fall. gh ghazni sits on the strategic end of the herkawi and is close to the nation's capital. oren liebermann from the pentagon. what more is the pentagon saying about troops being sent in

sflrpt anderson, the key point the pentagon was making is it's now time to essentially make sure that u.s. embassy staff there can get out as part of the a partial drawdown of the embassy staff and serve another purpose in securing hamid karzai international airport, which is effectively the international gateway in and out of the country, especially now with the surge of the taliban. they will also be there to assist in the secure withdrawal and removal of afghan interpreters who've helped the u.s. as well as their families to get out of the country, a process that is rapidly accelerating. very much a sudden urgency on the part of the biden administration with the advance of the taliban and the momentum they have. it doesn't show any signs of slowing down. >> so the u.s. embassy in kabul's urging american citizens to leave the country immediately. we have teams on the ground there. what are americans' options for getting out? there are still some commercial flights. and turkey -- turkish troops control the airport now. >> turkish troops are in charge of security at the airport. there are some u.s. troops that are there as well. you're absolutely right, anderson.

there are some commercial flights there. but the pentagon also says look, it's aware that it may have to come in and operate in an airlift role as part of this. so there could be aircraft moving people. that's not part of the plans at this point, that is, to get the civilians out. the american citizens out. but it certainly could become part of this plan as the pentagon watches the situation deteriorate and deteriorate quickly. >> how organized is the removal of afghans who have worked closely with the united states? there are hundreds if not thousands who work at the embassy itself. there are certainly many more who've worked on bases all across afghanistan over the last 20 years. >> well, that -- not nearly as organized as it should be only because of the numbers here. right? a small fraction have gotten out. about 1,200 or so at this point. but that leaves thousands, more than 10,000 in fact afghan interpreters and those who have helped u.s. forces as well as their families, which is tens of thousands more that now have to be gotten out on an accelerated timeline. in addition to the 3,000 forces that will go in to help in that

withdrawal, that drawdown, there will be another 3,500 soldiers in kuwait on standby in case there needed to be brought in for security as well as 1,000 soldiers and airmen in qatar to assist in the visa application process for those afghans who were trying to get out of the country. and the last point i'll make, anderson, the u.s. is using words like drawdown and withdrawal and reduction. the afghans see this as evacuation and abandonment, a severe blow to their morale and the morale of the afghan military that is quickly losing ground to the taliban. >> you can call it whatever you want. america's leaving. oren liebermann, appreciate it. perspective from william cohen, who served as defense secretary during the clinton administration. secretary chone, thank you for being with us. it is difficult obviously to watch regardless of what one thinks about whether or not the u.s. should be there. does it surprise you that cities around the country have fallen so quickly, and do you think kabul itself will fall? >> well, the rapidity at which

it's fallen i think only confirms president biden's decision to say that our time there has come to an end. what i would disagree with is ever setting a time certain. i think that that has worked to the disadvantage of the united states and to the greater advantage of the taliban. so i think now we're faced with a situation in which i believe there had to be an intelligence failure somewhere along the way that we're now coping and trying to reinforce our forces there to save our personnel in the capital. i find it hard to believe that we have been reduced to a point now where we're asking the taliban not to attack our embassy. i can't imagine the world's most powerful military nation begging taliban to say don't touch our embassy personnel, that's our kind of sovereign territory. i can't imagine any other country would tolerate that notion, that they would attack

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in the field or in the cities are saying -- >> if you go back and look at all of the positive optimistic reports that were filed on the part of the pentagon over the years saying we're really making progress, the afghan army is really doing well, we expect them to be a fighting force within so many years, go back and look at what general

mccaffrey, who was retired at that point and went and did an assessment, and he said it was all a sham in terms of the support that the afghan government had because of corruption and other activities. and there was no real military fighting force on the part of the afghan army and police. and he said that back in 2006. and presciently, he said if there's any hope of ever training this country to be able to sustain itself it will take at least until 2020. and that was said in 2006. so i think congress is going to go back and look at all of the intel that was communicated to those in decision-making position to say what was the basis of your optimism, why didn't you tell us what was going on that others could see that you failed to see? >> yeah. william cohen, i appreciate your time and expertise. thank you very much. still to come, a truly devastating story of a father whom authorities say murdered his two children. and the reason, he cited qanon theories about why he did it. he believed they were going to become lizard people.

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2-year-old son and 10-month-old daughter this week in mexico, telling the fbi he was driven to the killings after being enlightened by qanon and illuminati conspiracy theories. police and federal agents were called in after the children were reported missing by their mother. authorities tracking coleman's cell phone to mexico. surveillance video images released by authorities show coleman checking into a hotel with his children august 7th. just before 3:00 a.m. on august 9th he packs them up and leaves the hotel, returning hours later alone. he was stopped by border officials while returning to the united states. u.s. customs and border protection officers finding what appeared to be blood on the vehicle's registration paperwork but no children. the fbi soon learned from mexican authorities that the bodies of two children were found overnight, along with the murder weapon, bloody clothes, and a baby's blanket. according to the criminal complaint, coleman allegedly told authorities he was receiving visions and signs revealing that his wife possessed serpent dna and had

passed it on to his children. coleman also allegedly telling the fbi he was saving the world from monsters. he was arrested and charged with the foreign murder of u.s. nationals. >> just a horrific, tragic loss. >> reporter: coleman's neighbors back in santa barbara stunned. >> just shocked, frankly. immensely tragic. and having known the two kids and the family, it's just awful. >> that's josh campbell reporting. we'll get some spefrkt now from mia bloom, professor of the evidence-based cybersecurity research group at georgia state university, author of the recent book "pastels and pedophiles: inside the mind of qanon." i was so sickened when i heard this story and at the same time not surprised because this whole thing of lizard people, which is apparently according to the fbi report, what this guy was believing his children were going to be turned into or were turning into, has been around

for a while and i've had qanon believers talk to me, tell me about it. where does this even come from? it's been around for ia long while. >> so since about 1999, there's a british -- i guess he's an ex-soccer player and bbc news presenter named david icke, or icke. he has been producing books about lizard people since 1999. he's produced about 20 books, and he's on this -- sort of the talk circuit where he gives talks to these very large groups of paying customers. and basically, they talk about a cabal that is controlling things led by the rothschild family. so a lot of what icke has been saying for the last 20-plus years fits very well with the qanon conspiracy. >> it's an important point, i was talking to author daniel

silvis about this recently. this is age-old anti-semitic troepz. this is the blood libel. the idea of the illuminati, the nasdaqi says the jews were drinking the blood of children. qanon people claim celebrities, democrats and others are drinking the blood of children for some bizarre chemical. what have they been saying? you've been following qanon channels since the news of the father murdering his children. what are they saying about it? saying it's like a false flag? do they -- what is it? >> so basically, i went through with your producer the qanon channels and there was only one channel that even mentioned it because they were referencing a fox news show. and they said it's a false flag. but what we're -- we have such a short memory. there have been at least half a dozen instances of parents, mostly women, killing their

children in the last four months alone. in los angeles back just this last april there was a woman who killed her three children, also claiming because she was inspired by qanon to protect them from the global cabal. >> you know, people think that this is just something that's gone away with the man in mar-a-lago, but it hasn't. and the idea that people really believe this to the point where they're -- are these -- i mean, clearly some of these people have issues, mental health issues before this and this gives them a justification perhaps or -- i mean, would they have done this without these qanon beliefs? >> i mean, one of the things that my co-author sophia moskalenko found, she is a board certified clinical and social psychologist was that if the average rate of mental illness in the country is around 17%, 18%, among the people who've been arrested associated either before january 6th or as a

result of the failed insurrection, qanon people have a 68% indication of mental health problems. which is much height erhigher t. so part of it is are they mentally ill and that's what attracted them to qanon or is being part of qanon causing this because it's very traumatic to consume the material that qanon keeps putting out there. >> yeah. and obviously we should point out mental illness does not lead to violence. most people who have mental health issues, it doesn't end up in violence like this sickening crime. mia bloom, i really appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, the police chief in chicago has linked the death of one of his officers to what law enforcement authorities say are lax bail reform laws. we'll have the debate on that and what the evidence says when we continue. today let's paint with behr ultra scuff defense... so that you can live that scuff-free life. honey, i'm home! honey! scuff defense. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusively at the home depot. you've been taking mental health meds,

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2020 according to the major city chief associations. the vast majority of those cities had not pass reforms eliminating bail. >> you can't pin cash bail to the spike of violent crime. cash bail affects non violent offenders. police are blaming those being released on electronic monitor. late july data shows roughly 3% of those on em are accused murders. >> can the courts hold people in jail who are violent and arrested and charged with murder? >> lamenting the same dynamic a week later. >> frustrating to the officers to have this revolving doors in our courts but especially murder. >> more than 3900 people on electronic monitoring, about 80%

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