good evening tonight. a live update on the accelerating race to evacuate americans, european allies and allied afghans from kabul. today president biden said as of this afternoon more than 70,000 people had been airlifted out in just the last ten days. that is an extraordinary number. and a far cry from how this began in utter chaos bip the same token it's also just seven days from the president's self-imposed deadline which oh recommitted to this evening. >> we are currently on a pace to finish by august the 31st. the sooner we can finish, the

better. each day of operations brings added risk to our troops. but the completion by august 31st depends on the taliban continuing to cooperate, and allow access to the airport for those who we're transporting out and no disruptions to our operations. in addition, i've asked the pentagon and the state department for contingency plans to adjust the timetable should that become necessary. >> as for what would make that necessary to stay longer, the president did not elaborate. he did, however, warn that each day on the ground increases the risk to americans and american forces as well as civilians including from isis-k militants who he said are targeting the airport. i did not address the taliban blocking afghans who wanted to flee from getting to the airport, cutting o'the road. nor did he do what a number of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle wanted, he did not commit

to staying until they could all get out. the president also chose not to say how many americans remain. instead saying secretary of state blinken will provide that information tomorrow. separately an administration official said that the number -- excuse me, that the number when the evacuation began was, quote, probably lower than most people believed because, quote, a lot left in the final few weeks. we also learned late today that even as the race to get others out goes on the pullout of american troops has already begun. a defense official telling cnn this isn't affecting the mission. that official adding that the local commander can decide which personnel are no longer required based on the number of gates open at the airport, the number of people coming through and a number of other factors. more now from kaitlan collins who joins us from the white house. so do you know what went on behind the scenes that led to this decision by the president? >> well, anderson, there were very few people internally advocating for an extension of this deadline to get all u.s. troops out of afghanistan. the number one concern with that is what could happen to those u.s. troops while they're on the ground given that presence is

going to get a lot smaller than the thousands of troops that it is at right now as this drawdown and they're trying to meet this deadline a week from today essentially. and president biden said today he thinks the longer those u.s. troops stay there the higher the threat of a potential terrorist attack by isisk, by another organization becomes. that was really the driving force behind president bide erin wanting to still meet this august 31st deadline. they were also worried about losing the cooperation of the taliban. which seems surprising but that is what has been so critical to getting those 70,000 people you were talking about out because they are the ones letting them get through the checkpoint even though a lot the people going to that checkpoint in days past have been fleeing the taliban. now, that is the attitude that was inside the white house. they did not want to extend this deadline. it certainly is not what we heard from some world leaders including some of the ones president biden spoke with tailed, or even some democratic lawmakers. democrats like jason crow, a former army ranger, who says oh

doesn't think this is enough time to get those afghan allies who helped the u.s. out in time. he just thinks it's enough time to get americans out, which of course we know is the president's number one priority. >> what are you learning about the people who might be left behind? >> there are these afghan allies who worked alongside u.s. troops for the better part of two decades. i think that's why we've seen such impassioned statements from people like jason crow saying it's not enough time. and i think the concern is that yes, we have the deadline of seven days from now of when the u.s. is going to be out of afghanistan. but jen psaki confirmed today the actual deadline of when those evacuations are going to start is actually much sooner than that because they've got a period where they can continue these evacuations. then they have to start on the thousands of troops that are still there. the machinery, the weaponry that's still there. and that's going to be a process that we are hearing from the pentagon could likely take several days. so i think that's a factor in it. it's a question about once those u.s. troops are out is anyone else going to get out because that seems to be a massive concern for a lot of these lawmakers about what it's going

to look like once the u.s. is gone, if any afghan allies will be able to get out. because anderson, we still don't even know who's going to be running the airport in kabul once the u.s. has finished their mission there starting on august 31st. so a the lo of big questions still facing the white house in these last seven days. >> yeah, the plan before the taliban took over was that turkey would maintain troops to keep the airport open. obviously, it's unclear to me if that is going to continue. it seems highly unlikely at this point. but i think you made an important point that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, that just getting the u.s. troops who are currently at the airport and the equipment. i mean, there's helicopters, there's vehicles, getting that equipment out, that may take days. >> right. and the threat gets higher the fewer troops are there. that's a big concern for the white house. and they're also worried a sense of panic could set in among the afghans who are still there and see that window for getting out closing as they know the united states is leaving. so i think it could be a

precarious few days here, so it's getting about 6,000 troops out of there, getting all of their machinery and weaponry out of there or destroying it, because the taliban has already got a lot of weapons from the united states as they overtook afghanistan. we saw that happen. maybe it was from the afghan security services or whatnot that they got this from, so what think do with that is also an important critical decision because u.s. officials don't want to see the taliban having any more weapons from the united states in their hands. so i think the next few days there are a lot of critical factors that go into what the end of the u.s.'s time in kabul is going to look like. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it, thanks. when we left last night there was a fire fight going on not far from his location at the kabul airport. he joins us from there again tonight. what's the reaction been among people you've been talking to to what president biden said this afternoon? >> well, i'm on the airfield,

the airport. so this is in a sense consistent with what ithey've been plannin for, which is an evacuation or withdrawal of all u.s. forces and the end of the evacuation by august 31st. but the atmosphere has cranked up a level because any kind of an extension to that has now been ruled out, particularly in the face of a taliban announcement today saying, anderson, that no more afghans can come to the airport, that afghans are now forbidden by the taliban to join the evacuation process. now, the extent to which they choose to actually directly apply that remains to be seen. but certainly the numbers of people coming, or arriving at the outside perimeter of the airport are significantly lower. there is a possibility in a sense almost that they'll run out here of people to evacuate because there's not enough people able to get here in order to seek evacuation. that said, the numbers as of

sunset last night, we're just before sunrise now, were around 4,000 people still waiting to be evacuated. but in all probability those people have probably already been moved through. whether they've been replenished by new people remains to be seen. but the atmosphere is very much soured now because of the taliban decision to start stopping afghans from escaping the country. taliban say they don't see any need to leave. they basically also feel a brain drain. and part of it may also have been that they recognized the more people that the u.s. has to evacuate the less likelihood there is of meeting that deadline and therefore the greater chance of friction with the united states. they are trying to integrate themselves into the international community, anderson. >> sam, from the taliban perspective, as you said, there's the brain drain aspect and also they want the u.s. out, and one way to get the u.s. out quicker is to cut off the flow of afghans who are able to actually leave.

>> yeah. i think it's clearly a pretty cynical move. it does trap people in afghanistan who might otherwise have been hoping to get out. the process for getting out had become profoundly fraught. there were deaths associated with it, crush deaths, which was also used as a reason why the taliban were stopping it. and of course it's an appalling look for them to take power amidst a mass exodus of some of the best-educated people in the country. it's an appalling political beginning. and they recognize that, i think, and are trying to prevent it. but ultimately really what they're trying to do is bring this chapter to a close so they can continue with their efforts to try to pacify the country. they've only got 75,000 men under arms. it's a big country and it's highly fractious, anderson. >> same kiley, appreciate you being there. thank you. perspective from two people who've been on the policy making as well as the operational send

of the end of major overseas operations. leon panetta joins us as well as cnn military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. secretary panetta, do you think sticking to the august 31st timeline is smart? >> well, i think the president made a point he obviously is trying to meet that deadline. but he's also asked the pentagon and the state department to develop contingency plans. and i think that's important to do because frankly we made a promise. we made a promise to united states citizens who are in afghanistan and to the afghans who fought alongside of us that we would do everything we could to evacuate them. i think we've still got to keep that promise. >> general hertling, from your point of view does president

biden have a choice to stick to the 31st deadline? >> he doesn't have much of a choice, anderson. what i'll tell you, anderson, is we've talked about neo, a couple of times. the non-combatant evacuation operations that is currently ongoing. there are different phases of neo. the first phase is always dysfunctional and disastrous. the second phase is when things start flowing, and that's what we're in right now. and seeing good stuff. especially in a contested neo, the third and fourth phase are really difficult. the third phase is when the enemy gets a vote. and when they're contesting things and saying here's what we want you to done or here's what we're going to force you to do. it becomes problematic. and then we also will eventually have to talk about that fourth phase, which is the time when the commander on the ground starts turning the rheostat a little bit and talking about what forlssces he allows to lea what force's he keeps in defense of the air field and what forces he keeps in terms of potential

contingency operations, which the president talked about today. those are all very sporty propositions and we're seeing those right now. but i just go back to the fact right now the enemy, the taliban and others, are getting a vote. and the commander on the ground and the president has to be wary of that. >> secretary panetta, it's interesting to watch this from afar because it does seem like both the white house and the taliban are making public pronouncements to -- i mean, they're kind of sending messages to each other through public pronouncements. the president saying he's developing -- for contingency plans to be developed if they need to stay longer. it sort of sends a message to the taliban that there are other options potentially and yes, we want to stick to this but don't push too hard because we have other options. the taliban is saying, you know, we're going to cut -- we're cutting off the road, we can stop afghans from actually getting to the airport. that might actually, you know, help the u.s. in terms of

sticking to the 31st deadline because if -- you know, in a sick way because if they cut off, stop afghans from getting to the airport then there's going to be nobody to take out other than u.s. citizens and european allies. >> well, look, there's no question that signals are being sent from one side to the other. because the reality subpoena that the taliban is now in control of afghanistan and in many ways whether the taliban cooperate or not could determine the fate of those u.s. citizens who are remaining as well as those afghans who fought alongside of us. so i understand the need to try to continue, to try to coordinate with the taliban. but the united states is also committed to standing by our

word here. and i think we've got to do everything we can to uphold our word to those people that are there. if we just kind of cut and run and leave them to the taliban to determine what happens to them, i think that will further undermine our credibility in the world. >> general hertling, president biden said more than 70,000 people -- that they've helped more than 70,000 people be evacuated from afghanistan since august 14th. i mean, to me, i mean, i'm certainly not an expert on this stuff. that seems like a pretty remarkably high number of people. a senior administration official said tonight that a lot of deserving, their term, afghans will be left behind. i'm wondering just in -- you've studied this kind of thing. 70 70,000 in that time-s that a remarkable number? >> remarkable is a great word, anderson. it is incredible to me. i didn't think it would get to

that high of a number. and if the numbers continue to go as they've been over the last couple days, we could get upwards of 130,000 to 150,000 out. that would be almost magical in my view. but the problem is what we're talking about is the connection between the numbers with the individuals. and the s.i.v. applicants and the special evacuees are the ones we're most concerned with. the numbers seem high, i would suggest, because many of the s.i.v. applicants are getting through but they're also bringing a large number of family members. so the planning factors in any neo have to do with first of all how many american citizens do you have, the ex-pats, all those kind of things. then you start counti ing the nz of others you have to evacuate from the population. in my experience with the one neo i almost had to execute was we went in with a planning factor of x, we suddenly found that planning factor quadrupled, quinn it up'lled because one

person comes in with 20 family members and you've just blown your figures out the window. that rheostat again of how many people you take on board and how many you get out is critical. and i think that's what many people are questioning right now, because the president's saying i'm trying to get all the s.i.v. and the special evacuees out but they're seeing people on the ground saying hey, i'm still not at the airport and i'm not getting out, what's going on. so there's a disconnect. >> secretary panetta, according to senior administration officials the cia director traveled to afghanistan this week to meet with a taliban leader as the u.s. is seeking obviously a clear understanding of where the taliban stands on a number of issues as the clock ticks toward this deadline. that would have been a fascinating meeting to be a fly on the wall for. i mean, as a former cia director yourself how does a meeting -- how does something like that go and how much leverage does the u.s. have? >> well, there's nobody better

to send into that kind of meeting than bill burns. he's someone who's probably the most experienced diplomat in the administration. and he's had to deal with all kinds of adversaries. so it was a good move to send bill burns in to talk to the taliban. and when the cia director shows up and talks to the taliban, he -- i think he brings p some authority to the table because the one thing the taliban does remember very well is the role of the cia in going after the taliban. so i think bill had some leverage here. i hope he was able to get them to understand that it is in their interest to cooperate at this point. the last thing they want to do is get into another war with the united states. >> secretary panetta, general hertling, i appreciate your time. thank you both. >> thank you. will all of the americans still in afghanistan be able to evacuate in the coming days? coming up i'll talk to one who

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as the evacuation of afghanistan ramps up for what could be its final seven days we're starting to hear from americans who jud r. just made it out, people such as selma kazimi. she and her mom made it out. they are back in colorado after safe to say an ordeal, hiding out from the taliban and selma is telling her story. >> you and your mom had gone to afghanistan in early august to visit your family. when did you realize the taliban had arrived in kabul? >> so right the day we had landed there was apparently a news statement that came out that the taliban wanted everyone who is a citizen to get out of america. so landing the first day we were kind of like i don't know, nervous. and then it was maybe after two weeks that we realized that they had taken over three cities, which was herat and two other ones.

and then we noticed that palman, they were really close and the next day they were already in kabul. >> it was incredibly quickly. i talked to correspondents a day or two before they got to kabul and you know, the thought was over, maybe it would be -- there would be a fight or it would be weeks from now. i know your brother back in colorado was trying to help get you out. when you realized that d that t taliban were already in the city, what did you do? did you just say inside? >> we were staying inside and we were trying to contact my family. we were trying to get tickets out as soon as possible. tickets were twice the price. and then after a few hours we found out the airport had completely closed. so we felt we were completely stuck and had no choice of leaving. we had no other opportunities. we literally felt hopeless. and that's when my family was freaking out as well and wondering that we probably would never be able to come back home. >> i think it was through a brother -- your brother-in-law works at hewlett-packard and they were able to get a charter, which gave you something to aim

for to get to the airport. what was it like just trying to get to the airport? >> yes, it's actually hpe, he works for them. and getting to the airport it was pretty scary. so we first actually went to the wrong gate and we were waiting for hours. and so many people were just together. and then -- >> by the way, was getting to the gate itself, i mean, getting to the airport, the road, was it -- were you able to just drive there? i know there are taliban checkpoints. >> yes. so first of all, there was curfews, right? so we had to leave like 5:00 in the morning after the curfew was over. he with went to the wrong gate. and like i got out of the car to make sure to show them like i have an american passport. as i walked up there was laser on me and they shotgun-fire a little further away to like scare us off. and someone had told us that gate has not opened for three days. i was in contact with a guy named stewart. he was like from the congress. and he called me said you node

to go to abi gate. we went and headed over to there and as we could got closer to abi gate there were so many people right around us and there were people just walking up there. it was pretty easy to get up. but once we got there there was taliban lined up against the airport. >> and we've seen the crowds outside. what was that like to try to manage that? >> it was so scary, we were scared they might try opening the car doors, take our stuff or whatnot. we didn't feel feel safe going there but when it's necessary you have to go through it. right? once we got closer we got out of the car and we went to pass the taliban and they actually had stopped us. once they stopped us they took a look at my mom's passport and they saw we were americans, they actually let us through. >> and then what happened? >> he with we kept walking up. and when we got to the top we see a whole crowd pushing and pulling epa other. and all we could think about is is this what we're going to have

to go through? maybe if we tell them we're citizens we can go around all those people. but no. some people had no paperwork. some people were wr from germany, turkey. we were all in the same mess. there was kids just crying -- sorry, i'm really emotional. they were just crying and fainting and there were people all bloody and having strokes and it was probably something i would never expect to see. >> how long did it take you to -- how long were you in that crowd? >> we were probably there for about four hours. we were pushing and pulling. and then like i got attention of one of the british soldiers telling them we have an e-mail from the congress and now we need to get on a charter flight, that we might actually miss it. and so he told me to get closer to the gate and like there was barbed wire. and like my mom's clothes tore. her hand was bleeding. and like we had to help her get above those barbed wires. >> you finally did get through and -- >> yes. >> -- i know that whole process of, you know, flying out and then not knowing where you're

going and staying in bunk beds, we had a lot of facilities, all of that was extremely taxing and difficult. the taliban now say they've closed the road to the airport for afghans. do you think the u.s. will be able to get all its citizens out and afghans who work for the u.s.? >> if they can try. i don't think it will be to the airport road. they're going to have to probably pick them up in helicopters or something because it was getting very bad. and from my understanding people are coming in every day to try and get past those gates. and those gates are so hard to get through. they might have to find a different way. >> when you finally did, when you finally did get back to the united states, how are you doing? what was that like? >> honestly, like i felt relieved but i still feel sadness. i feel like there are so many people still trapped and it's dangerous and i can't do anything about it. and like this is why i'm kind of

doing this interview. i want to bring awareness to the situation, that there are so many people who are stuck and need help. and like i feel like no one's doing anything about it. like we're doing as much as we can but i feel like there could be done nor. . >> selma, i'm sorry for all you've gone through and i appreciate you talking to us tonight. >> yeah, of course. thank you so much. >> up next the battle over masks in florida schools. what residents there have to say about the governor's push to not have a mask mandate. match is this for real? yup! we match all the cash back new card members earn at the end of their first year automatically woo! i got my mo-ney! it's hard to contain yourself isn't it? uh- huh! well let it go! woooo! get a dollar for dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover. (upbeat pop music in background throughout)

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about 1 out of every 5 covid deaths in america last week was in florida. for governor ron desantis there's more bad news. at least politically. his opposition to mask mandates doesn't seem to be popular. according to quinnipiac university 60% of florida voters say they support requiring students, teachers and staff to wear a mask. 36% oppose it. randi kaye has more on the vocal, sometimes physical confrontations that have been occurring in florida and around the nation over masks in schools. >> you think we're just going to give this up but we're not. >> reporter: in lake county, florida tempers flared over mask mandates. >> i don't want them to wear masks. it's my kids. it's my choice. it's my freedom. >> reporter: hundreds on both sides of the issue turned out to protest. even though masks are still optional in this district. the issue wasn't even on the school board's agenda. but that didn't stop parents from speaking out. >> i really feel as though the only way you're going to get control is to close it down for a month. >> shut up! >> reporter: in jacksonville,

florida more anger over masks. >> your job is to educate my child. that means reading, writing, math, a game of dodgeball at p.e. would be great. but not a mask. not a medical decision. it is not your decision to put a medical device on my child. >> it seems like a no-brainer. a universal mask mandate is the minimum that we can do to keep our children safe. >> reporter: after heated debate the duvall county school board voted in favor of a 90-day mask mandate for all students. only those with a note from a licensed health care provider can opt out. in northern california the mask debate prompted a 49-year-old father to allegedly assault a teacher in his child's school. he's now charged with three misdemeanors. >> there's a part of me that's not surprised and there's a part of me that's just completely shocked. but to everyone's defense i just think emotions are really high right now. >> reporter: it happened at sutter creek elementary on the first day of school. the district has a mask mandate but parents can opt out with a doctor's note.

in williamson county, tennessee outside nashville -- >> we'll not comply! >> reporter: parents clashed at a recent protest. >> we know who you are! we know who you are! >> you can leave but we will find you! >> you will every r never be allowed in public again! >> reporter: it got so heated police stepped in. [ applause ] in the end the board of ed approved a temporary mask requirement. and in pinellas county, florida where masks are still optional parents sounded off at today's school board meeting. >> hey, it's our choice. it's our choice. we want it to be our choice. i don't care if any of these people wear masks. i don't care if their kids wear masks. we're pulling our kids out. we don't want any of these decisions to be made for us. >> most masks do not cover the face properly to prevent covid-19. come on. >> thank you. >> okay? >> the speaker to follow. >> thank you. thank you. you're finished.

you are finished. thank you. time's up. let's move on. next speaker. don't make me ask -- don't make me ask you to be removed. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> let's get perspective now from dr. aileen morty, an infectious disease expert at florida international university. also a medical task force member for the miami-dade public school system. according to a cnn analysis there have been more than 14,000 covid cases, nearly 30,000 people quarantined among florida's largest school districts since the start of the school year. given those numbers what's your reaction to the mask wars and the governor telling districts, you know, they aren't allowed to opt out? >> quite frankly, the entire thing breaks my heart. we're doing everything we can to stop transmission of this horrific virus. and the governor and everyone else, all leaders, should be

working with us to do everything possible to slow down transmission. if there's a concern about masks being clean, remember, we have to change our underwear every day. we have to take baths every day. you change these things. you make sure what you're using is appropriate, that it fits, that it's comfortable, and that it works. and when you do it that way, when you do things properly, you're going to have a reduction in transmission. this is well known. that's why we use masks in hospitals and have done for tens of years. i mean, it's really known to be an effective control method. and the fact that it's been turned into something emotional instead of rational and a good understanding of the science simply breaks my heart. because what we're seeing is outrageous numbers of people in our hospitals right now. we're running out of oxygen. we're running out of staff.

we've had to hire people from the outside already to make up -- hundreds of people have had to be hired to come into our hospitals. we're placing patients in locations that are unusual. it's terrible. >> let me ask you, do you think from a medical -- from a medical standpoint, purely just on a medical standpoint, kids above the age of 12, should there be mandatory vaccinations for them to go to school? should teachers have mandatory vaccinations? >> well, we have a proud tradition in florida of demanding vaccinations for people to go to school. and we've done very well with them in previous years. here now we have a fully licensed vaccine that is among the safest and most efficacious that has ever been developed of any vaccine, and i think florida ought to follow its own tradition and absolutely mandate vaccines for all eligible

individuals, particularly in settings where people are going to be close together in indoor spaces as they are in schools. >> the polling that we mentioned, does it reflect what you've experienced? for example, 63% of floridians according to this poll say they consider the issue of wearing masks to be about public health, not personal freedom. 64% say they believe wearing a mask or face covering is effective in slowing the spread. have you seen mask use increase since the rise in cases because of the delta surng? >> it's mixed in different places. we're not seeing as much use of masks as really ought to be happening. and this is contributing to the problems that we're seeing in our hospitals. but there has been a little bit of an improvement. not as much as there ought to be. but i will tell you that every day i receive grateful parents

sending me letters saying keep it up, please, we need our children to be safe in schools. and they're right. we need our children to be able to go to school and be safe. and there's many things that are mandated by the government that have always been mandated that are appropriate to mandate in schools. you don't go to school naked. and right now you shouldn't be going to school without a mask. >> dr. aileen marty, i appreciate it. thanks. coming up next the pfizer vaccine now has full fda approval as you know. the question is will people who were holding out now roll up their sleeps? or what perng of them? a top political pollster shares some new information with us next. no explanation. it's where safe and daring seamlessly intersect. it's understated, yet over-delivers. it is truly the mercedes-benz of sports sedans. visit your local mercedes-benz dealer today for exceptional lease and financing offers. ♪ ♪

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there's new polling out tonight from pollster frank luntz on covid. the morning consult poll conducted among more than 900 unvaccinated people found that nearly 40% would get the vaccine if one got fda approval and that just happened yesterday with pfizer's vaccine. but for some of the faithful who attended a rally over the weekend where the former president spoke and received some boos when he said he had in fact received the vaccine and encouraged others too, it may be a bridge too far. here's what some rallygoers told cnn's donie o'sullivan. >> have you got your vaccine shot? >> nope. don't want it. >> no? a whole lot more investigating. >> yeah. >> nothing's going in me until then. >> you think that would take a long time? >> about ten years or so. >> i watch prophets of god and news max and maybe a little fox. that's about it. that's about it. >> right. >> i turned away from news.

i don't want to listen to it. i want to listen to what god's saying, what he's fixing to do. that's all i'm concerned about. >> i think it is a time where god is separating the sheeps from the goats. you know? >> what are you? >> i am a goat because i ain't a sheep. i'm not doing what they're telling me to do. i'm fighting against it. >> frank luntz joins me now. frank, you do focus groups polling. you must get a lot -- you must hear a lot of folks with opinions like that. >> yes. and it used to break my heart. and now it just breaks my brain. it causes my head to explode because i know how dangerous covid is and the delta variant and i know how much more dangerous that is than the vaccine. but key moment and this is a key moment right now, we've got about 30 days. number one, the delta variant, the public knows it, understands it, finds it more serious than covid. number two, our kids are going back to school right now and

over the next 30 days. and everybody wants to keep their children safe. and number three, the fda full approval. which is the number one factoid, the number one truth point that the public has been looking for. those three combined means that over the next 30 days we're going to have the biggest impact in getting people vaccinated. the good news is that those three together will convince about half of those who have not been vaccinated to get the jab. here's the bad news, anderson. it means that when we are done we can project that we'll reach about 75% vaccinated. 75% toward herd immunity. i'm not a scientist. i'm not a medical expert. i know that the numbers should be 85%. so it makes me nervous that we're never going to get there. >> you've made the point in the past that parents you've polled on this issue who don't want their child to wear a mask think they are actually protecting their child. so when it comes to the vaccine, is it the same thing?

i mean, do people think they are protecting themselves by not getting the vaccine or i guess the argument would be they're protecting themselves because they don't trust the vaccine or the government or just don't want it. >> well, you just got it right there. 55% of those who have not been vaccinated, which represents almost half the country, don't trust the government. and so when you have anthony fauci making the case, he's not a doctor to them. he's not a scientist to them. he's a bureaucrat or even worse, inconsistent, flip-flopping. anderson, i try to do a straightforward approach on your show, and i'm grateful for the time that you provide. in the end it's going to be pediatricians who are going to make the difference for kids in school. it's going to be scientists who emphasize that now the fda has made the decision. and in the end we need to pull people who know individuals who have not been vaccinated. if you want to get everyone safe, if you want to make everyone comply, it's not going

to come from television news. it's not going to come from efforts from the government or advertising. it's now got to come from people that you know. we need pharmacists, medical experts, i want to get a pediatrician in every school. in fact, if you're a pediatrician right now, you should be getting in touch with your show. pediatricians need to adopt a school. parents will trust pediatricians. so will the kids. that's how you get people vaccinated in this environment that we live in. >> i want to dig a little deeper into some of your polling. you just touched on it a little. you asked people which statement would make them most likely to be vaccinated? 22% of people polled said the delta variant making up 90% of cases. another 20% said the delta variant being twice as contagious would make them most likely to be vaccinated. the delta variant, i mean, you said that this is one of the main factors moving the needle so far. >> that's correct. but what moves the needle even more is the fda final approval. and that's what we need to be

talking about. in fact, i'll give you the language. the fda has a responsibility to provide the american people with the facts and the truth, and anderson, that's the phrase they're looking for right now. they want -- no exception, no excuses. our job is to save lives. that is our only mission. that's our only mission. that's what the fda needs to be talking about right now. for those who are not vaccinated, they are nervous that too many of these rules and regulations have been changed. >> right. >> that too many times they say one thing at one point, then they change it. and one last point. it's not a mandate. in the end it's a protocol. i know it sounds like a small distinction. but that distinction matters. >> frank luntz, appreciate it as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> just ahead, we have more breaking news. house democrats today rallying to pass a key item in president biden's agenda. can they continue to overcome their infighting, that's the question, to get this $3.5 trillion budget resolution to his desk?

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more breaking news. just before his remarks on afghanistan, president biden vowed to keep hope for house democrats, passing a $3.5 trillion budget resolution. but it still is a long way from his desk and it is a combative divided democratic party.

more from capitol hill with the latest. a lot is going on. a lot of back and forth. the house voted to pass the $3.5 trillion budget framework. what concessions did speaker pelosi have to make with the ten moderates to get this deal done? >> basically what she did, anderson, was promise them there would be a vote on the $1.2 trillion deal that already has been passed by the u.s. senate and that that vote would come as early as september 27th, and she put it in writing. that means a lot of work has to be done in a relatively short period of time, because what democrats would prefer to see is the reconciliation piece, the budget resolution they passed today, the $3.5 trillion, filled out and ready to go and passed at the same time they pass a bipartisan infrastructure deal. that's a lot of work that has to be done and they'll begin that process in the beginning of september. but what this illustrates, kind of the back and forth we've seen over the past 48 hours

how delicate this process is and how something simple by a relatively small group of members of congress could derail the whole process. >> just to be clear this is not a vote on the bill itself. this is a vote to move forward. >> yeah, that's exactly right. this is essentially voting on the framework. this is just members of congress agreeing they're willing to spend $3.5 trillion on the budget plan. there's no specifics as to how that money will be spent yet, and that's the real hard work going to be now over the next couple of weeks, work that has to be done essentially before september 27th. if they're going to pass both of these at the same time. that is where the budget committees are going to separate, they're going to take the different pots of money and decide specifically where they're going to go. there's got to be a lot of horse trading over here the next couple of weeks. this is where the real work gets done. they've really been talking about this in big, grand numbers. it's the granular details where this entire thing could come apart. and that's why even though they've made a lot of progress,

there's still a long way to go. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thank you. i want to get perspective from van jones, special adviser to president obama. van, this is one of president biden's key domestic policy proposals. 24 hours ago, the deal appeared to be in trouble. how big of a deal is this for the president? for peeker pelosi? >> i think they're both breathing a sigh of relief. never bet against nancy pelosi. you're going to lose your money, but she's had to work very, very hard. and it's because you have two different pressures on this democratic party. on the one hand you be progressives saying, listen, we're probably going to have one shot here, let's do something big, let's do something memorable. republicans could be in charge in a couple of years so they want to go big. you have moderates who are saying, listen, when you say republicans might take over you mean i might lose. i'm in these tough seats and i'm telling you i've got certain needs and you've got to take me seriously. i am the margin of victory and

defeat if you take me for granted i am going to stomp on the brakes. you have cross pressures in the party. never bet on nancy pelosi when it comes to dealing with her caucus. >> as you said the win did not come easy for democrats. getting these ten moderates onboard was certainly an uphill battle and i think surprised a lot of democrats. just last night there was explicit language, f-bombs being dropped apparently as house democrats were meeting behind closed doors. speaker pelosi is known as you pointed out being a master of kind of whipping her party into line, getting what he wants. did she underestimate the power of the moderates? >> i think that clearly she must have misread something because it's not that the moderates changed their position. they were pretty clear early on what their fears were, what their concerns were. she must have misread something because a lot of this stuff could are been worked out in advance.

you have the debacle in afghanistan is demoralizing the base and divisions in the caucus is giving people some real heartburn, she had to really step up and make it happen. but she did step up and make it happen and she can be counted onto do that. you have a very tiny majority to work with. which means any group that gets together, and the moderates said you have to take us seriously. the moderates have said, you have got to take us seriously. we're your margin of victory in the fall and we have real needs and you've got to hear from us. >> to your point, we know midterm elections don't generate the party in power. biden's approval ratings is below 50%. they seem disjointed with disagreement. as a democrat how concerned are you infighting is going to have an impact on the 2022 mid-term? >> look, we're having a tough summer but we've got more than a year to get this thing turned around. i don't think anybody expected

for a president as empathetic as this president to have sounded as tone-deaf early on with what's going on in afghanistan. i think he's beginning to right the ship there, but this is a tough summer. you can't deny it. this party has got to pass these bills, got to see the results, and then we've got to get ready for a tough mid-term election. >> do you think he was tone deaf early on in this, in afghanistan? >> his initial statements i thought missed the mark when it came to just showing the empathy he's known for. he's there because of his empathy and because of people's trust in his competence. he hit his first air pocket and he didn't sound like himself. i think he now sounds like himself, but i think it shocked a lot of people. and look, everybody gets a chance to make mistakes and learn on the job, even someone with as much experience as president biden gets to learn on the job. this has been a tough summer for this party.

>> do you think -- you know, the american public has not been paying much attention to afghanistan over the last many years. people have kind of didn't want to hear about it, didn't watch stories about it. it just dropped off the radar for a lot of people. do you think democrats are going to -- do you think this has resonance? though there's a lot of people who support withdrawing but obviously the images what's happened the last couple of weeks we've seen the president's poll numbers drop. >> look, a lot of people say he did the right thing he just didn't do it the right way. and so, you know, that then has to be worked out politically. think about benghazi. you know, it was a tragedy but a relatively small board tragedy and republicans just beat the crap out of us for that for years. so you know what politically your opponents can do with any foreign policy mistake. you just don't want to hand them this kind of thing. obviously you don't want to let

down our allies but also politically don't want to hand this kind of stuff because you're going to have to pay for it when the mid-term election comes around. >> van jones, appreciate it, thanks. up next more on our breaking news from afghanistan. president biden sticking with his withdrawal deadline, a week away. also a request from the pentagon and state department. the latest on that coming up. the personal loan from sofi helped me consolidate my credit card debt into one simple monthly payment. debt free! thanks to sofi. ♪