tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 27, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
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with breaking news tonight. the u.s. has conducted a air strike against an eye sis planning. the spokesman saying initial indications are the target was killed. this coming just moments after the u.s. embassy in kabul warned u.s. citizens at a number of gates at the kabul airport to leave immediately. and earlier today, president biden's security team alerting the president of a specific and eminent threat in cab bell jaus day of an attack killed 13 servicemens, and over afghans. i want to bring in our guests. gent themen, thank you all for joining us on this friday evening. alex, i will start with you. what are you learning about the strike? >> don, we heard the vows of revenge of yesterday's attack,
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from president joe biden, and now we should be clear that we don't know whether there's a connection between yesterday's attack that skilled scores and the marketing of is theis-k planning. we're hearing from the part of the pentagon that is in charge of afghanistan. over the horizon counterterrorism operation was carried out, that means it was from abroad, and it was an unmanned air strike. it came from a drone, and it targeted an is-is-k planning just to the southeast of cab bell. it says the strike was successful in taking out this planning, and it appear no, sir one else was wounded. there were no civilian casualties. this is a major test, a moment for the biden administration to prove that all the troops are pulled out of afghanistan, it can still carry out operations against terrorist groups, and
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particularly, a group that just yesterday killed 13 american service members, navy, arm and marines. don, this comes at at very same time we are getting another worrying alert from the u.s. bam bascy in cab bell about another attack. this is the same alert we got from the u.s. embassy, right before yesterday's attack, and it's telling u.s. citizens around the airport to leave immediately. we have heard for days, the strong likelihood of another attack by isis-k. and telling americans trying to get out to leave the area immediately because they believe in the potential for another attack. the u.s. troops are due to leave the countrily next tuesday, and with today's -- tonight's air
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strike, again, carried out by a drone against this isis-k planning, this is going to be held up as a model from the biden administration as proof they can continue to carry out strikes against terrorist groups after their left the country. don? >> john, what's the white house saying? about the president's decision to go after this isis-k planning just a day of the bombing? should we expect more? >> i think we should, don. think about the qualities that the white house has been trying to project over the last two weeks and particularly over the last 36 hours. one of them is resolve that president biden is determined to carry out this mission on his timetable because he clearly believes in it. the other is strength as commander in chief. remember the ferocious criticism
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he's received from republicans and democrats centers around leadership in weakness, defending allies so the fact the administration so quickly is able to step forward and hit a target with the president having used his muscular rhetoric saying we're going to hunt you down and make you pay. john psaki saying president biden doesn't think these people should live on this earth anymore. so they are able to hit this target and you can bet they are able to hit other targets while they try to carry out this mission, and they have been warning all day, as alex said, another attack is likely to happen, and this attack lets them show they're not just sitting on their back foot waiting for it to happen. they are reaching out, trying to disrupt the operation of isis-k. >> ivan, this isn't the first
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air strike that you and i have covered. you have been on the ground covering afghanistan for decades. and spend a lot of time there. what kind of response do you expect from these terrorists? >> it's good you point that out. i was covering massive u.s. bombings companies with part of this province of kandahar 20 years ago, and they were in the mountains of tora bora and were believed to have escaped massive bombing companies, and b-52s and a lot of people made it across the boarder to pakistan. and over the 20 years after that, there have been many more air strikes with american troops on the ground, targeting those air strikes and with an allied afghan government that could help gather intelligence. here, you have a demonstration
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that the biden administration is willing to use force whether or not they actually killed their target remains to be seen. it depends on the quality of the intelligence. but this is just one -- compared to the last 20 years of war, this is just one pin prick, potentially. what can the branch do? the targets have tlunk dramatically and are believed to have disappeared in the coming days. they have dom straited they are willing to murder large numbers of afghan civilians, more than 100 in a sing le go, and they pose a threat to the civilians who will be trapped in u uncertainty going forward now that the taliban has taken over. >> speaking to general hurd earlier, and he said that will
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potentially put the taliban -- puts them at least certifying their leadership role. bus they certainly don't like isis-k and the taliban will be happy about the air strike. what is next for afghanistan? how can they co-exist there? can they? >> they have a history of conflict between them. the taliban doesn't seem to like isis-k. they have to establish they have command and control over afghanistan. i think one of the big questions going forward, 20 years ago when the taliban was in power, afghanistan was almost a medieval state. there were no paved roads out of kabul and the man cities, huh to go across the boarder to pakistan to make a phone call. was no telephone infrastructure. you have paved roads, and airports, and cell phone networks that ironically, the
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taliban used to fight against the u.s. a big question would be, will the taliban maintain open trade and relations with its neighbors and allow investment to continue to come in so there can be ordinary commerce or will it go back to medieval times and go back to the last time the taliban is in power? there are still pockets of sub power. and north, the fortress of anti-taliban resistance, who was assassinated by al qaeda days before the attack, and his son is leading the movement in the same geographic -- it it's just stunning how we see history remeeting itself in this country
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that has -- the cliche, the graveyard of empires. >> yeah. gen gentlemen, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate your perspective. i want to turn now to general wesley clark, a former nato supreme commander and he joining us this evening. first, thank you for your service. we have just gotten some of the names of the service members who sadly perished in that bombing yesterday. and that explosion yesterday. general clark, the president vowed to make the terrorists pay just yesterday. and then today he has approved a strike. lightning fast or what you expected? of course we're going to strike when ever we can find them and wherever we can hit them. this isis.
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this is isis-k, and this is an aerial vehicle. maybe a missile. may have hit a suv, a house or something. it's not a killing blow against isis. these are necessary strikes. how many of them are significant? unknown. these terrorist groups have proved to be very rezsilient an even when you take out the top leadership, someone else comes in. you have to get on the ground, you have to disrupt the networks, rip up the papers, destroy communications and disperse the groups and finish them. we haven't been able to do that. of course, all the terrorism groups have mat it's a sized so we know, we have a significant
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problem. we will do the best question with these kinds of kinetic strikes but we're still searching for the real solution here. >> so, general, is it more dangerous for our troops, if the u.s. to conduct this attack while our forces are defending the airport and trying to evacuate in a few days? the deadline is tuesday. it's friday. it's coming quickly. >> absolutely the more dangerous. the more you can do to disrupt these groups, the better. they are not deterred by the thought that some of them may die. they are not deterred by the fact that the united states may retaliate, and they're not going to wait for the fact, they're not going to be softer because the united states doesn't take military action. is a brutal head-to-head, hand-to-hand struggle, and got to do as much as you can to destroy their networks and keep them off balance is key to helping security americans.
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>> general, just before the strike, we learned that the u.s. embassy in kabul put out a warning to leave the airport gates immediately. there was a similar warning the other day and you had the explosion. you are concerned this will make isis-k more likely to attack again? or it's -- what do you? i. >> i think we have credible intelligence. obviously the last set of warnings was act sat. this one has the same characteristics. so we probably heard something very, very specific that is coming. what will it be? a suicide bomber with a vest, a truck with explosives? we don't know what it will be. we may know on the inside where it will be. but you have to take the warnings very seriously, and the same time, we are still doing the best we can do to continue
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with the mission of evacuation. the hard part is, there are so many thousands trying to get in the airport who are in fear of their lives in they stay, and they are trying to calculate how to get in and what the risks are for getting out to the area, getting checked by the taliban. what if they're stopped, on the wanted list the taliban is after? what is the best chance, the best hope for survival? this is a really tough thing. it's tough on us and tough on the nato allies. the french, the germans, the brits have people on the ground who work for them who they promised safekeeping, safe passage out. and it's not going to happen. at least not with this mission. >> you know, when i introduced you, it mentioned the service members. i thanked you for your service. when we are finding out some of the names.
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two marines have been identified. riley mccold listen, and dagen paige, and maxton soviak. >> it's a tragedy for the family, and i want to say, these are people, the service members, they are people who give back to the country and so are their families. so many americans won't let their children serve two talk them out -- i have been to some of the most prestigious colleges in the country, and i heard people say, i'm so worried about the armed forces because people like me don't serve, and i said, i will get the recruiter out here for you. you can sign up. i promise you will have la great experience, and it will change your life. and they come back, and said my parents said i'm not well suited to be in the military.
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if you're tuned in, you know this. if you are just tuning in, we are following breaking news. the u.s. military conducting an air strike against isis-k. joining me now, former director of national intelligence, james clapper. director clapper, thank you for joining us this evening with the breaking news. let's start with the air strikes on isis-k. quickly after yesterday's
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attack. so walk us through this. did this attack come from intelligence that the government already had, considering how fast this was? >> well, i think that certainly it was built on that, but in order to have a tact accuracy for a pinpoint strike. apparent lip they did take out an isis-k planner without casualties, that is a good sign. it points out or emphasizes the fact we're not starting from scratch here like we were against afghanistan, and the director of the space agency, and we were no more. almost with a blank piece of paper. and 20 years of built-in corporate memory and data that we built up, we have -- we still had a lot of residual capability
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despite the fact we're leaving or have left. just an example, the telecommunication systems in afghanistan is depending on wireless communications, as we have seen, we still have an isr, using remotible piloted vehicles. and human intelligence, it's certainly problematic but built up -- the cia built up a lot of contacts and assets in afghanistan, many that will be available to us. but admittedly, it will degrade over time, and the taliban is like the dog that caught the car. they have their own problems. if they are in-fighting, factions within the taliban, and the taliban are fighting with 9 likes of isis-k, that will
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generate intelligence. so the situation is not entirely hope ms, and i think the strike is proof of that. now, i think personal opinion we shouldn't be too picky about whether or not we can clearly identify those who are involved in the attack, adjacent to the airport. the wild card here are the neighbors nations, most importantly, pakistan. whether or not they will help us if we operate from pakistan, but help sharing intelligence. >> director, another terror attack in kabul is likely. the threat is immediate. what are national security officials looking for right now? what is happening right now on the ground, and with our officials that they're trying to figure out what's on the ground? >> i would surmise that the warning -- the most recent warning that was issued bus was
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more based on a general assessment of the situation. it's bad there. outside the immediate periphery of the airport, that is the wild west so clearly, they want people out of the area. they are all the censers going, and any personal consents, they still have to try to pin down the tactical data that is so critically important to blunting or averting on attack. >> we are learning that federal officials are on high alert following the mass evacuation. we know there is a thorough vetting process. but what else are authorities looking at to stop this kind of threat in the future? >> are you speaking in the homeland? >> yes. >> or just -- well, obviously, the continuation of the
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stringent vetting process, will include those we have evacuated so we want to ensure that we're not bringing in more terrorists disguised at innocent refugees so we have actually been successful at avoiding an attack on the homeland. so all the apparatus we have built up to -- i flew today. we still have tsa protecting our air travel for example. so we have to sustain that. i think general clark made a good point. this is not going to be -- this is something we will be doing for perpetuity. regrettably. >> director, thank you so much. >> thanks, don. >> so our breaking news tonight. the u.s. has conducted a air strike against an isis-k planner as the embassy in kabul is
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so here's our breaking news tonight. the u.s. has conducted a air strike against an isis-k planner. that as is there is a new threat in afghanistan. warning u.s. citizens at a number of gates at the airport to leave immediately. which gives the next story an urgency. a daring mission by a group of american veterans of war. they call the commission
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pineapple express. they have helped bring over 600 people into the airport. a mission was under way yesterday when the attack happened. joining me is arm lieutenant colonel scott mand who led the rescues effort, and jason redman, a former navy s.e.a.l. who hemmed them evacuate. now, let's talk. scott, tell us about this mission. how did you get involved? tell me how it went down? >> well, it started -- first, i have to say, there are right now thousands of special op rater veterans who are doing the same kind of work and really, working hard to do it. they retired folks with jobs and they are doing it to fill a gap that needs filling. but the way it started for us is
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getting an afghan commando and his family out. we got a couple green berets. we painted a picture using our phone apps and we realized getting through the wire, the perimeter, was key, and communicating with people on the inside and help move them and she shepherd them. and we had interpreters for years and guys like jason, talking to interpret everies throughout the night and moving them through sewage canals. i was simply there to help out. >> jason, let me bring you in there. what was involved in there? we talked about the pine ales. so what happens? how does it work? >> don, i think -- you know, it's a testament to the can do
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spirit of new york. one of the biggest things -- to be safe and helped us to accomplish our mission on the battlefield in afghanistan for over 20 years, and the government said, hey, we're going to support and you get you out, and that didn't happen. irt didn't sit well with me and with a lot of military partners out there, a lot of retired gals and guys who worked on the battle field. aknow all of us coming together, it's a sesment. this is what america is about. and if the government was unwilling to doilt, we were willing to come together and do it, and like scott said, it was just a network of amazing individuals. all of us coming together and it all came down to the fine action, movements that night, several nights over the last several days, different
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individuals working with different people on the ground to shepherd these individuals to different locations, different places that we could get them into the airport and on to safety. >> so, jason, you provided these photos from former special forces. this is captain zach boyce who is helping lead the afghans to safety. you call them passengers. they have traveled -- just a few people at a time on this run to the airport under the cover of darkness. so listen, they faced very serious threats there. they repeatedly encounter taliban foot soldiers. so i'm sure, people at home are wondering, how did it work? how do you get through the taliban check points? and how did you know who and when and how? >> you know, one of the things i will say, don, if i would,
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sorry, i didn't mean to step on you. these folks that went up there the check points with guys like jason and me and others, they would go through a check point and be beaten. their wife would be beaten, their children, and they are talking to the shepherds while they are moving. you know, they are beating. and you could hear it, and you know, we would just encourage them. you have to press, you have though go, and the courage belongs to the afghan people who ensured that and made that journey and got -- the ones who did get to the other side and those who didn't make it. >> before i bring jason back in, as i understand, it was -- you said the under ground railroad,
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harriet tubman was the plan? >> well, he planned it and up front, he said this is going to be under ground railroad and that's how we're going to do it, and we had hundreds that we had to move. and what got it through was the trust between the shepherd that had known them for years, thousands of miles away, and the afghan families that relied on the trust and the conductors on the other side that pulled them across. i can't say enough about them either. >> jason, the whole operation to get the afghans to the airport was under way when the suicide attack happened. when you heard and this attack, what went through your mind? >> i mean, we were -- you know, up to that point, we had heard there were threats. i mean, we were just hearing, hey, you have to watch out for specific locations. you have to watch out for this. watch for the threats. we talked about obviously the taliban check points.
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and i wonlt't get in details ho we manage to move people. because we are trying to do that. but the bottom line, it was just -- it was -- i think there's a lot of people in america who when they think of afghanistan, it's just this place, and think think it's just filled with terrorists. and that's not -- there are a lot of terrorists in afghanistan. but the reality, there are equally as many human beings, amazing people who are moms and dads and brothers and sisters and sons and daughters and they are no different than you and i, and all they are hungry for is freedom. we gave them a taste of that for a while, and it's ripped away again. and that is why it's so critical, scott and i, that is something we fought for her decades of our lives to help protect the freedom of our own country in america, and to help prolong the freedom of the individuals who gave stoch to us. and i hope people will think,
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what does it mean to be an american? what happened in afghanistan, is not american. and what is amazing about it, what can bring this country together what can unite anyone from the right or left is that we take care of those who took care of us, and that is what task force pineapple is about. that is what we are continuing to do. we will continue to mission. >> i am so grateful to have you guys on. and i'm so proud of what you're doing, and america and the afghan people as well. i can't thank you enough. and best of luck to you guys. keep doing what you're doing. thank you, guys. >> thank you. >> be looking for it when they come here. >> all right. thank you, guys. be in touch. we'll be back. it's where safe and daring seamlessly intersect.
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florida's governor smack down in court today when a judge ruled against his ban on mask mandates in schools. let's discuss with dr. larry brilen is here and amanda carpenter. we are talking about ron desantis. he threatened school funding, saying we are breaking state law requiring masks. this judge clearly disagreed
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with that. that is a big loss to the governor. >> yeah, it's a big loss in the courtroom. but it's more important to look at the fact that the majority of school districts in large populated areas rebelled him him. he has not only lost on the masks but the mandaylights in court, and he had a terrible social media ban he tried to do. there is a chance he is just not good at this kind of stuff. but he is sort of an avatar for a lot of republicans right now who have take than position, no mask, no mandate. it sounds like a good slogan but it's a bad medical doctrine. the numbers are florida are terrible right new. but he took his victory lap last february when he was rising into the polls, and people look at him at the next potential 2024 nominee should trump not take the field, and now that has
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caught up to him. he is trying to blame joe biden because biden don't stop the virus. but when you have a decision against simple medical advise, it's hard that it comes back on you. >> dr., amanda's right. the numbers are florida are horrible. florida report more covid cases in the last week than any other week since it began. 17,000 cases reported in schools. 30,000 students have been quarantined. i can't believe i'm reading that. 30,000. joe biden didn't stop a pandemic but he is calling freedom over putting yourself healthy, but the community too. >> thanks for having me back. amanda's right. the pediatric icus throughout the south are fill caned with
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children. last week, more than 2,000 of them were hospitalized. this delta is a different disease. we want to open up the schools and we have three opgtss. one in masks, and vaccinating and testing. testing is too expensive. we have one effective tool, and that's masking. and the governor just said himself, not against political enemies. not against biden. he set himself against the children. we have an obligation, of elementary kids who can't get vaccinated. the only weapon, the only tool we have is to mask them. >> would you feel comfortable sending a child back to school if they didn't have a mask mandate in place? >> no, no, and i insist all the
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adults get vaccinated as well. i lived in florida a while. i understand it. my mom lived there. so it's a complicated place. but the schools are schools and the parents are wonderful and they want to keep their kids safe and they want them to go to school. >> amanda, i will give you the last word on this. the last time we talked about this. you talked about so personally about your kids and sending them back to school, and they can't be vaccinated. they are young children. i will give you the last word on what is happening in florida. >> yeah, i mean, i think it's sad -- the larger political story in that people are catering to the rights of the unvaccinated. trying to eke out some kind of middle, political philosophy out of this. i'm not sure it works. but the language that ron desantis used, accusing joe biden of medical authority, that is a larger issue that is not confined to florida. unfortunately, and it's something that plays to
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politics. >> amanda, doctor, thank you both. i appreciate it. 58 years after dr. martin luther king jr.'s i have a dream speech, marches taking place all across the country to fight for voting rights. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal.
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it's taken a lot to get to this moment. ♪ grew up at midnight - the maccabees ♪ dreams are on the line. you got this. refresh... it all, comes down, to this. ♪♪ the assault on voting rights is spreading across the country. 18 states have enacted 30 new laws just this year as democrats try to pass federal legislation to protect the vote. house democrats passed the john
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lewis voting rights act this week. but the bill faces an uphill climb in the senate. it's all prompted nationwide marches for voting rights on the anniversary of the march on washington. here is cnn's suzanne malveaux with more. >> reporter: the fight for voting rights taking on a sense of urgency across the country. this weekend, culminating in marches in dozens of cities and washington, d.c. where martin luther king, jr., delivered his iconic "i have a dream" speech from the steps of the lincoln memorial in 1963. 58 years later, king's son is mobilizing americans to follow in his father's footsteps to fight to make voting accessible and equitable. >> my father would probably be greatly disappointed in where we are on this particular issue. some gave their lives, i should say. >> i am somebody. >> i am somebody.
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>> reporter: civil rights leaders are continuing the work to push for voting rights. an old fight with a renewed focus. >> when we vote, things happen. >> reporter: reverend jesse jackson currently battling covid. but just a few weeks ago, front and center in the fight in washington. just the day before, jackson was arrested outside the u.s. capitol with faith leaders and activists. he's been crisscrossing the country during the covid-19 pandemic. using a familiar peaceful protesting tactic from the civil-rights era of putting his body on the line. >> everything. >> reporter: another outspoken critic, lucy banes johnson, daughter of former president lyndon b. johnson who signed the 1965 voting rights act into law. >> limiting access to that vote will strangle liberty and
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justice for all. >> reporter: the voting rights act of 1965 was quietly brokered between president johnson, reverend martin luther king, jr., and other civil rights leaders. one of those leaders and one of king's closest advisers, former-u.n. ambassador andrew young recalls the critical turning point. a secret white house meeting between president johnson and king. >> we went to see him. and we were talking about voting rights, and he was tied up with the war in vietnam. >> reporter: young says he and king urged johnson to put forward a strong voting rights bill before congress. but the president was reticent about the potential political pushback having just signed the sweeping civil rights act of 1964. >> he agreed with us, and said but i just don't have the power. and when we left the white
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house, walking out, i said look the president is right. he can't go back to congress. he really doesn't have the power. >> reporter: king's response stunned him. >> he said we gonna get the president some power. that's the most arrogant thing i've ever heard you say. said you gonna get the president some power? and then, i realized he was serious. >> reporter: the power king sur surmised would come from some irrefutable evidence that black people were, indeed, being denied their constitutional right to vote. king targeted selma, alabama, where less than 2% of black residents were registered to vote. the first attempted march for voting rights from selma to montgomery drew several hundred to the edmund pettus bridge. >> no money. no real plan. but i was thinking politically and practically. he was thinking spiritually. >> reporter: as the marchers crossed the bridge, they were
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brutally beaten and tear gassed by alabama state troopers and local police. broadcast around the world. providing johnson the political momentum needed to urgently get the voting rights legislation back in play. >> there is no negro problem. there is no southern problem. there is no northern problem. there is only an american problem. >> reporter: the voting rights act passed about five months later, and was signed into law on august 6th, 1965, forbidding racial discrimination in voting. >> we have to stay engaged, have to stay on the battlefield because things don't permanently change unless you are there in the fight. dad did a sermon called "sleeping through a revolution." and we have to make sure that we do not sleep through the revolution. >> reporter: suzanne malveaux, cnn, washington. >> suzanne, thank you very much for that. and thank you, everyone, for
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good evening. we begin tonight with a name. riley mc calla. the first of 13 names of 13 people that should never be forgotten. riley mccallum was a marine. he was just 20 years old. he was as old as the war he served and died in. his older sister tells us her brother wanted to be a marine his whole life. so much so even as a toddler, he walked around with a toy rifle in his diapers and cowboy boots. this was his first deployment. that he was sent to afghanistan when the evacuation began and had been manning the checkpoint when that suicide bomb was detonated yesterday. riley, she said, wanted to be a history teacher and a wrestling coach when he return today civilian life. he had a baby due in just three weeks. three weeks. she said he will be remembered by his family and friends and those who loved him, and there are many
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