tv Cuomo Prime Time CNN August 31, 2021 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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the law will eliminate a lot of the new voting procedures born during the pandemic, 24-hour voting, drive through voting, and creates new i.d. requirements for mail-in ballots. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> appreciate it. welcome to primetime. the president says our withdrawal from afghanistan was, quote, an extraordinary success. why? because america air lifted over 120,000 people in just a few weeks. that is impressive. in fact, it has never been done before. but perception is often reality in politics. and president biden's assessment must compete with the fact that the evacuation was forced because, why? because of the way america ex exited threw the place into chaos. still, biden says nay sayers missed the main point. >> some say we should have started mass evacuations sooner.
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and couldn't this have been done in a more orderly manner? i respectfully disagree. imagine if we had begun evacuations in june or july bringing in thousands of american troops and evacuating more than 120,000 people in the middle of a civil war. there still would have been a rush to the airport. there is no evacuation from the end of a war that you can run without the kinds of complexities, challenges, threats we faced. none. >> compelling and yet there were months to prepare. and reportedly there was intelligence to suggest there could be a quick collapse. and reportedly, we did not prepare for that or to get our machinery and weapons out so they wouldn't end up in the enemy's hands and we weren't
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prepared to retake control of bagram airport to speak up the evacuation effort. a big reason is because we were playing to a deadline that the administration decided had to be honored. this is a point that biden insists on. >> leaving august 31st is not due to an arbitrary deadline. it was designed to save american lives. i was not going to extend this forever war. i was not extending a forever exit. >> this is going to be a pivot point in terms of perception and reality. and the ultimate story of what this means for president biden's fate and administration. kabul fell just two and a half weeks ago. if we had stayed a month more, until you got out everybody, everyone you promised, would that have amounted to a forever
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exit? biden says the options were leave or get in deeper. this ultimate battle of perception on this exit are going to be whether biden was right to remove all u.s. boots from the ground with as many as 200 american civilians still stuck in afghanistan and who knows how many allies. here is his case on that point. >> since march, we reached out 19 times to americans in afghanistan with multiple warnings and offers to help them leave afghanistan all the way back as far as march. our operation allied rescue ended up getting more than 5,500 americans out, 90% of americans in afghanistan who wanted to leave were able to leave. and for those remaining americans, there is no deadline. we remain committed to get them out if they want to come out.
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>> first an interesting side point. point of contrast with trump. biden said 90%. we checked with the white house. it is actually 98%. he is nothing like his predator who would have said he -- he is nothing like his predecessor who would have said he got 115% out. now to the real point. no one left behind should mean exactly that. i'm not telling president biden anything he doesn't know. he said the same thing a couple weeks ago. >> if there are american citizens left we'll stay until we get them all out. >> all is 100%. all that matters now is one question. now what? and this question will be one that biden has to answer, answer well, and answer with plans and actions that have so far been in short supply. in the immediate, that means getting everyone out. the americans and the people you
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promised. those with those siv visas and their loved ones. now, that takes us to somebody who clearly resonated with you. we've had her on the show a couple times but last night was heavy. we call her sarah. she is an american citizen, a former interpreter, and she is stuck in kabul. she didn't even know the last plane was going out. she stayed behind because she is trying to help other people whom she says qualifies for sivs shall the special visas, and she can't get them out and has been trying with everybody. biden and his secretary of state say the government is doing everything it can and will get everyone out who wants to get out. then why is sarah being helped mainly by retired veterans and why is the digital dunkirk you may have heard about online, this ad hoc network of veterans and allies needing to do so much? tonight you'll hear from men who served the country and now say
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those left behind are not being well served and they may soon be in a hellscape of oppression. now, sarah's fate is in part in the hands of the two veterans you're about to meet. they are doing everything they can and working with a lot of other people. i promise you they won't want to take credit for anything. and that they know what is going on and they know the challenges. the first is sam rogers, a three-tour afghan war vet, former army intel officer, and trying to help those still stuck to get out sarah being one of them. coalition director of the concerned veterans for america foundation. also, racing to save lives, retired lieutenant colonel dan wilson working with the save, settle, support initiative. gentlemen, first thank you for your service. and, two, thank you for stepping up right now. sam, let me start with you. we haven't been able to reach sarah. you say that may not be scary information. that may be part of the plan for
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her. what do you understand the plan to be? >> absolutely. thanks so much for having me on, chris. i am very pleased to report we've gotten sarah to a safe place where she's got her phone off to avoid additional scrutiny for folks who might be looking for american citizens or former translators. you know, my day job i didn't really expect to find myself here, my day job with concerned vets for america foundation has been educating wisconsin communities on this refugee issue, why it is important to veterans, running care package collection for folks coming to wisconsin, and focusing on veterans' mental health in the midst of this crisis and the end of this conflict. and so to find myself now moonlighting an additional 70 hours a week at night in my former role as an intelligence officer, i have essentially -- i don't work for an organization. i've just been pulled in by guys and gals i've deployed with, gone to training with, folks
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like colonel wilson who i have only met as part of this process. we're doing it because it has to be done because the mission is not over until our american citizens and their families and our allies have been brought back. >> one quick follow and then to colonel wilson. so sarah is in a safe place. is she on her way out of the country? did she get to bring any of the people with her? >> so, chris, we hope to have her on her way out of the country in the next couple days. you know, we would not have been able to do this without some of these great organizations like allied extract.org run by another combat veteran of afghanistan gunny denning, purple heart recipient, valor award recipient. these guys have financed this stuff essentially on their own personal credit card debt to charter buses and planes and to connect folks and get money to folks so they can get out of country.
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>> i'll put all the organizations we're talking about tonight on my social media and the same in the hand-off at the end of the show. but do you know if sarah is alone or got to take any kids or people with her? >> oh, she is absolutely with her kids. >> oh, great. great. >> we're going to do absolutely every single thing we can in our power to get them home. >> i'll do all the updates on the show as you want. that is great news. i'm not feigning knowing that. that is great news. colonel, why are you guys doing this? why are there all these ngos and veterans and digital dunkirk and jumping in? why are you guys having to do this? >> chris, thanks for being a voice for us and letting us share our story tonight. the reason why we are doing this and i think there was a "wall street journal" reporter on earlier with anderson cooper and he said it exactly. there is no plan. where is the plan? what is the plan going forward? we have not witnessed that. sam and i were talking earlier
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and we both said we have never heard of all the people we've been helping and shepherding and moi marshaling we've never heard of a formal admittance through the state department system. it's all been the informal networks and people working day and night to dget them in. that is why we're doing it. we will leave no one behind. we made that promise to them and we will keep it. >> the easy defense is there is no process because they didn't plan for this and there are too many people and everybody is scrambling so there is no blame to be had. what do you believe the reality is? >> let me just use an example for you. earlier on jake tapper's show there was the story of my interpreter and he got out. he is in virginia. he didn't get out through the siv process. he has been trying to get his siv approved since 2013. there have been six battalion commanders he worked with trying to help him facilitate the process and it didn't work. the only way he got out was he was a commando. his unit fought its way to the kabul airport. he has been helping defend the
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airport and they extracted him that way. the idea that this is just happening now i don't buy it and even if it is let's get our head together, make a plan, prioritize, get the information out, and let's leverage all of these veterans groups that have communications with siv people to get them in the right place at the right time. >> let me get one suggestion from each of you because you've been studying this obviously and you are bright guys. let me start with you, colonel. the idea of what could they do that would make things better? >> if i can offer, too, chris, number one is get a system of information out that lets afghans know how to check their status whether they are close to the top and there is some hope and they should stay in place or because they just recently applied they need to start seeking options to get to a third country to get safe until we can get them in the queue. the second thing i would suggest to the state department is leverage us. there are tens of thousands of veterans, a virtual army all working independently.
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i've been suggesting we kind of all merge and sam and i are going to talk later about merging our efforts and leverage us. i'll be happy to take 25 to 30 packets. i have a security clearance. i can communicate with afghans. i'm willing to do it and i know sam is and i know every single veteran out there is willing to do the same thing. >> let me pick up on the colonel's point, sam. i keep hearing about these packets. i hear it from an interpreter we're working with here on the state side. we're covering him about his efforts to get people out. i'm filling out the paperwork but i don't know where to put it in the state department. i got the packet in and they say they got it but i haven't heard anything. what are these packets and what do you think could work better than what is happening now? >> well, honestly i think there's going to be a lot of time afterwards to dissect everything from the last 20 days to the last 20 years that has gone wrong as part of this. you know, these packets are personal information, extremely
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detailed, you know, but half the time they can't even load the state department website on their phone because of the quality of internet in kabul. if they're outside of kabul they may never have the opportunity to upload those things. then you've got the combined risk of reports that the united states government has potentially shared those packets with the taliban, which has sent many of these folks into a panic and made some of them unwilling to try to even attempt to put them together. because it puts them at risk. >> i haven't been able to track that down and in fact there is reporting out there that suggests that was never done. but, look, the fear is enough. what is your fear, sam? what is going to happen in the days and weeks ahead in terms of this ability of the united states to control what the taliban does? what is your fear? a. >> it is going to continue to be reduced and instead of taking deliberate, decisive action to remedy this and get these folks out of there, we're going to
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point fingers and argue with each other instead of simply coming together and creating solutions to bring our people home. bring our americans home. their families home. these translators. a translator saved my life in my first deployment and i won't stop until we've got these folks home. i hope the government with all of its resources and capabilities, it would be nice if they would do it. >> look, we're brothers in this effort now. you guys are doing the work and i'll talk about you. that is the deal. sam rogers, lieutenant colonel dan wilson, i know you're working with scores and scores of people. i know you are not here to take the glory. i asked you to come on to help understand the situation better because i kept hearing about it and wanted the audience to hear about it as well. we'll be in touch. i'll put the names of the organizations out. and i am a phone call away at all times. gentlemen, thank you for what you're doing. thank you for what you're doing for sarah and countless others. appreciate you. >> thanks, chris. now look. that is the reality. okay? if you look online you'll
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see #digitaldunkirk. you know what it is a reference to. this kind of amazing rescue mission of guys doing it for themselves. it is happening here. and it does speak to how screwed up the situation is. that men like this, women like this, too, by the way obviously, are taking it on their own because these people mean so much to them because as you just heard sam say, an interpreter kept me alive. all of us have this thing these people just do language. it is not. it is logistics, understanding culture, understanding warning signs, understanding threats. it's understanding people. they did all of it. knowing that their families and them were as good as dead if the enemy could find them. no matter how hot it was every time i've seen an interpreter they are covered up to here. covered up more than any of the women. fear. but they did it anyway. what will we do for them? these men are giving their answer every day. what about the rest of us?
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have lost loved ones over there and in addition the americans we left, the allies we abandoned. the christians that are going to be murdered, tortured and murdered. and the women and girls. >> one, congressman miller knows, we can just check the record. if you're so concerned about them you probably shouldn't have liked the deal that was made with the guys who were going to do all the horrible things you said, right? we can always just check like when people caught her quoting hitler. but this is a different sin. faking fidelity to a cause. right wingers are now pleading the case of refugees while many condemn those fleeing persecution south of our border. and even now some try to scare folks by saying biden wants to bring millions of afghans here. but if they really care, why did 60 of them refuse to condemn trump when he abandoned our kurdish allies to withdrawal
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forces from syria? why didn't they go after this deal with the taliban? since then, the u.n. has told us about what happened with the kurds. that those who fought along with u.s. troops, to stop isis, paid dearly. the freedom caucuses' own, their actions, they dispel any idea they've seen the error of their ways. it was pretty much the same group that voted against speeding up visas for afghans fleeing the taliban. you do remember that right? you do remember that the trump administration with the tacit approval of these people if not outright approval made it harder for people to get visas. it was part of his designed muslim ban. some of those people who had a hard time were interpreters, allies, and their families. and again, for many their nightmares change the moment you mention bringing these men and women here. listen. >> i'm not going to be responsible for seeing our
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little girls raped and killed in the streets because we wanted to bring people that are poorly vetted into the united states. >> i have intel telling me people that are being brought in here, there is a significant percentage that are future boston marathon bombers. >> afghanis are brought into this country making once again every town a border town, every city a dangerous border city. >> i got to ask them, do refugees do anything other than rape and murder? look. this is a grotesque and ugly exaggeration. it is also half of our political process. right? this many rank and file members of congress, they don't come together on their own. this is the problem with this disease of this dichotomy. democrats and republicans, left and right.
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the bien nary, as long as the or side suction you can be okay. until that system is gone we can expose how rife it is with fraud. this is a play coming straight from the top. kevin mccarthy in the house who on friday endorsed pulling all u.s. troops out. did you hear this? >> i don't think people are arguing about whether we should have left or not in afghanistan. >> you know what i should have done? i should have cued up him saying that same thing about i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the election, you know, joe biden won. and then he doesn't want to certify the race. he is doing all this other kind of propaganda to hurt it. this is the same thing. i don't think anybody is talking about -- oh, yeah? then why does he say this? >> if the military believes the best place is to be there i have said publicly before i would not have closed bagram as what they did. >> i thought nobody was arguing about everybody had to leave.
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look, this isn't about whether or not we should have stayed in bagram. i've been on record here. i take the advice of many in the military who said they thousand dollar have kept a presence there that -- they should have kept a presence there and that bagram may have been a place worth keeping. that is not what he said. how do they stomach such obvious and obnoxious hypocrisy? you know why? because they're afraid. >> if there are any republicans who have any doubt, know that you will be facing your own primaries. >> that is scary. seriously. that is scary. you know why? because it's real. not just the snarl. that is a real threat. for some at least this isn't about joe biden. it's not about biden any more than it is about the men and women in harm's way in afghanistan. it damn sure ain't about making sure we'll never see another 9/11 again i keep saying this if
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you don't think 20 years without something we thought would be the new normal has nothing to do with the fact we were in afghanistan, i think you got to keep doing your research. what this whole scare tactic and hypocrisy is about on the right is sending a clear message to their own. no matter what you've said or believed in the past you are either on the team or you are dead. it is a toxic team. and a dirty game. that is literally ruining this country. now, let's move into the electeds and start talking to members of congress. seth moulton, a little controversy because of a trip to afghanistan last week. he says i don't care about the controversy. i needed to see it. it changed his mind about things and made him understand the situation. so what does he think of the president's defense of the handling of the war's end? what does he think next has to be? next.
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despite promises from the united states to people like sarah we have no diplomatic presence in afghanistan. do we really have leverage with the taliban? we got money. is that enough? there's not even a functioning airport or a plan to get the one in kabul up and running again. we must keep asking those in power how, how, now what? now what? how are they going to help those still trying to escape in afghanistan? and then at some point in the future we'll get to and how are you going to keep this country as safe without a real presence there? now, on the first question, the immediate one, let's go to a member of congress who recently took an unauthorized trip to the kabul airport congressman seth moulton. welcome back. >> good to be back, chris. >> what do you make of the president's assessment that the withdrawal was an enormous success? >> well, in many respects it was an enormous success in terms of
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the number of people we evacuated, but it didn't have to wait so long. it didn't have to cause -- cost the lives of 12 marines and a sailor. we could have done this in a much more orderly way if we had simply started earlier. the bottom line is we have a lot of time to debate that, to examine it, have hearings in congress and everything else. we need to be focused on now the over 100,000 people we evacuated are now sitting in refugee camps where they don't have enough food and water. that was the second stop on our trip. from kabul we went to kuwait and qatar. and there are amazing numbers of refugees sweltering in warehouses for aircraft parts that are barely air conditioned running out of food and water. can't even feed their kids. >> what are we doing about it? >> we're not doing enough. that is one of the things we called attention to. i know there's more effort being put in now. one problem we heard from the
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state department was the administration lawyers were in the way of getting donations into the camps. i think it has now been fixed. it is another great story of american her owism. airmen sent around the globe to go refuel aircraft are now running a refugee camp. they're not prepared for it. they're not trained for it but they're making it happen. we need to make sure we're delivering them more support >> i just had these guys on the show. as you know this hashtag digital dunkirk and all these veterans. you are part of that community. i got to tell you. on one hand that is why you guys are the best of us. on the other hand, why the hell do these guys and the women and everybody working together, why do they have to do this? you have this huge state department and all of these procedures and people and all these supposed resources. what is going on here, congressman? >> it is an amazing story of veterans' commitment to our allies and of american ingenuity. unfortunately, it is also a
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story of bureaucratic failure. we've been asking for months how to just get these applications accelerated so people can start leaving the country as they do through any embassy in the world in an orderly process. it wasn't until very late in the game the state gave us an e-mail address. it crashed a few hours after they gave it to us. one thing we discovered in kabul is that one of the biggest burdens on our troops were the thousands of requests coming in from members of congress and members of the administration that were not organized or prioritized or anything else. so again, we'll have time to get into this but it is both a story of bureaucratic failure, washington's failure, and a story of amazing american ingenuity in the veterans community. i'm very proud of -- my office alone got 3,000 requests because of some of my connections on the ground including ones that i made in kabul. we were able to save people right up to the last day.
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>> but the last chapter of the story of this first phase, congressman, is going to be about what happens right now. >> that's right. >> do you have any confidence the state department really whether because you guys are going to hold back money that the taliban may want do you really believe you can get those guys to do anything the right way? for the people who are still there when we keep hearing reports i'm sure you're hearing them that they are hunting these people? >> they are hunting these people and i know that from first-hand accounts. and so this is the second big thing we need to do, chris, is one, we need to take care of the refugees in these camps. two, let's not forget there are a lot of people we left behind. a few hundred american citizens. but thousands of allies that we weren't able to rescue. and the whole idea is that we'll have some leverage with the taliban to ensure their safe passage down the road now that the taliban controls the country and we don't have any presence there whatsoever. but as a member of congress, as a member of the house armed
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services committee, we haven't seen that plan yet. one of the reasons why we need to keep asking questions is to understand exactly how this is going to work. you know, it's been so many sleepless nights as have so many veterans in america over the past couple weeks getting people out often coordinating directly with troops on the ground to get them over the wall or through the gate. i told my wife the other day that i would finally get a full night's sleep once the withdrawal was complete, but i was up all night trying to get people out now because the people who are left behind are trying to figure out what they do next. we don't even know what to tell them. there is still a lot of work to do to uphold our promises. >> got to stay on it, congressman. you got this as a platform to talk about what you hear is going to be done and that we can hold it to be accounted for and follow up because the answer to that question is going to mean a lot not just to the veteran
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community, not just to americans who are embarrassed by this, but a lot to your party and your president am coulding into the midterms. congressman seth moulton, thank you very much for coming on and speaking truth. >> thank you, chris. all right. there is good news. a lot of bad news. there is good news. it's on covid. the wizard of odds is going to come in and show you what we believe could be a shift in mindset of those who have been holding out on getting vaccinated. what are the numbers and what is an emerging story of our potential trajectory? the wiz, next.
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woman: ...to make sure our schools are safe. i want to thank parents and families for working with us. and continuing to be our partners. thank you so much. we can't do it without you. we can't do it without you. woman: because we know quality public schools make a better california... you may have heard the baseline assessment which is that when it comes to vaccinations, the united states population is just over half fully vaccinated. okay? we need that number to be
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higher. we don't know how high. there is no herd immunity number. there is hope we may get to a better place sooner rather than later. why? new data from research firm ipsos reveals hesitancy may be dropping. how do they know? because the number of adults who say they will never get a first dose is now down to 14%. what is the context? what does it mean going forward? how do we build on it? bring in the wiz to break down the numbers. take me through the first part. >> here's the big news. that is that the percentage of adults who have gotten the first vaccine continues to climb higher and higher. look at this. in early january just 3%. late april 50%. late june 66%. now 74% of all adults have at least gotten one shot. at the same time, the percentage of adults who say they are unlikely to get a vaccine has dropped in half since january so
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not just the people we're reaching now who all along said i would get it as soon as it became available to me. it is also people who initially said i'm not going to get this vaccine and we've now convinced them to either get it or say i want to as soon as possible. >> let's play to ameri-can and not amery-can't. how big is that number? >> a huge number. i like talking about good news. look at the smile on my face. this number is as american as wanting to have a tree in your home at christmas time. about 75% of americans have a tree at christmas time. it is more american than having a pet in your home. only about 61% of americans do. and look at that. 74% of americans have received at least one covid vaccine dose among adults. this is a large number. i always hear these negatives. this is a positive. >> so that's good but now our focus is on kids. they are not as vaccinated. obviously under a certain age they can't even get vaccinated
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yet. but what do we see when we look at that group? >> let's look at the eligible group 12 to 17-year-olds. again, what we see is rising vaccination rates. have at least one dose. in early june it was only about 27%. early august at the beginning of the month only about 43%. now it is up to a majority about 52%. if you ask the parents of the 12 to 17-year-olds will you definitely not allow your kid to get vaccinated look at that the percentage has dropped in half from early june when it was just 33% to now just 16%. the same story we saw with adults we're seeing with kids with more people getting vaccinated and fewer people saying i'll hold out and not get a vaccine. >> you told me something in the office about how you didn't want me to forget to ask about how we're seeing people get vaccinated, the states we needed to see that most, that is the best kine of sign you can see. >> look, the south has been hit particularly hard by the covid,
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by the delta variant. mississippi, alabama, arkansas, florida. these were states that were hit really hard. look at where they rank in terms of august vaccinations among adults. second, third, fourth, and fifth. more of these folks have gone out and got vaccinated. look at their case rate change over the last week. in mississippi fewer new cases this week than the prior week. arkansas the same thing. alabama and florida were pretty steady so we're right at the top of the curve not getting the exponential growth we were earlier on in the pandemic when delta was coming. the other thing i'll note is the growth rate in all four of these states is less than the growth rate we're seeing nationally which is quite the change from where we were a month ago. >> that is interesting. the most vulnerable area is now not the most vulnerable in terms of case growth. that is cause for hope. the wiz. thank you. >> i try and bring the good news occasionally. >> you succeed. >> thank you, sir. my next guest has some words for the unvaccinated. caught a lot of eyeballs on
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people in the hospital. correlation is causation. packed hospitals are a problem, not just because for future covid patients but everybody else who is sick and fighting for their lives. one north carolina husband says his wife, a stage 4 cancer patient was a tragic example of what happens when hospitals are too full of vaccinated people. he pleaded -- unvaccinated people. obviously. unvaccinated people are taking up beds when they get sick in the hospitals and he pleaded with the non-vaccinated in a ti tiktok video. have you seen this? >> last week i had to bring my wife in the hospital. she has stage four breast cancer dealing with symptoms. instead of draining her fluid and what they wanted to do, they told us she had to be discharged because they had no room left in the hospital because of covid. 99% of everybody that's in the hospital with covid right now is unvaccinated.
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what i will argue about is you running to the [ bleep ] hospital once you get the virus. if you don't trust the medical field to spent prevent you from getting it, why do you trust them to cure you from it? >> he was right but the residence goes far beyond his reasoning. his wife since passed and jason joins us now. first of all all that matters is our loss. i know you got three girls and this has to be hard and the hope the family is coping well and leaning on one another. >> we are coping as best as we can. maryl marilin was an important person to a lot of people. >> i know it was a long fight and hard on you and i know you aren't looking to be some political agent. so tell people what made you make that video? >> well, it all transpired from a series of events that happened when i had to bring my wife into the hospital.
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she was having severe symptoms. jaundice, she was having trouble breathing because of the amount of fluid she had on her. i brought her into the hospital 4:30 in the morning. there was two people in the waiting room with us. they didn't end upbringing her into the back until 8:30 a.m. after numerous complaints from me, they just told me they had no rooms available to bring anybody that was -- anybody that was in the e.r. was already admitted into the hospital and there was no rooms available upstairs to bring them into so my wife could go into the back. put an oxygen mask on her and she sat in a wheelchair for four hours in the waiting room. once we got into the back, like the staff does a tremendous job. once they can see you, they're dealing with -- the hospital is full. they're over worked, as well. they treated her well.
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they got her comfortable. they drained her fluid. they didn't know what was going on. they wanted to run tests because her symptoms came very, very quick. what had happened was we ended up waiting in the e.r. room. once they finished testing. they finished about noontime, 1:00. we didn't get upstairs until 9:30 that night, and she didn't get comfortable until 10:30 p.m. we got to the hospital at 4:30 a.m. finally, she went to sleep. they got her comfortable. she went to sleep, and the following day they were still doing testing. they thought maybe she had a bile duct block and could put a stint in. they didn't want to send her home because her symptoms were causing her pain. following day, g.i. specialist comes in at about 10:00 a.m. and tells us that there is a chance they will send us home by they wanted to drain more fluid off first, as much as they could off
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of her and wanted to do another scan. >> so when they wound up sending her home -- >> that day they sent her home, yes. >> and that day -- that we got no beds for covid people. >> that hit me hard because she wasn't comfortable. they didn't drain the fluid before they sent her home and she suffered for two days until i could get an appointment at an outpatient center to get her fluid drained off. she suffered for two additional days because she got checked out of the hospital early and i know why. logical choice. my wife was stage four breast cancer. she had severe symptoms. they have seen her scans. they did a scan. they seen it. >> they were forced into the position. >> they understand she would pass. >> they are in a position they need to cut people they can't help any further and try to get people out of the e.r. because of we're waiting 13 hours, so is everybody else. >> i wanted to tell you
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something. i know your wife is gone. but -- >> yes. >> but the passion she inspired in you to fight for her, to fight for other people, resonated all over this country. >> yes. >> and i hope your girls, you know, they're tender ages, 18, 16, 9. my kids are almost the exact same age. i hope some day i can be an example for my kids of standing up to the right thing the way you were. god bless the family. i'm a call away if you need anything and i want to thank you for putting the message out you did. sorry for your loss, brother. >> thank you, chris. >> jason be well. >> thanks. you're always earning! then this is officially a takeout week. that's a good choice, rita. bon appetit. earn 3% on dining including takeout, and so much more. chase. make more of whats yours.
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