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another hard night for so many. wildfires in the west. historic rainfall. flooding in the south. now, the northeast and mid-atlantic. dozens killed and in truth, we don't really know the full toll. at least 46 are dead. and some of the worst flooding that we've ever seen. connecticut to virginia. remnants from ida. also, submerged, many parts of louisiana as a hurricane and they have been reeling since sunday. and that will last many weeks. the intensity of the rainfall, so much, so soon, it even took meteorologists by surprise. half the deaths reported, so far, from ida as a storm. new jersey. the governor there says the majority killed, they were people caught in their vehicles overtaken by water. again, we didn't expect this. not so much, so fast. a state trooper in connecticut was also tragically swept away as he responded to a missing persons call.

at least eight confirmed tornados in the northeast. many of them, in new jersey. destroying homes. kind of turbocharging the water. creating even more density, which made more flooding, more destruction. in new york. there was more rain in a few hours than usually in a month's time. subway riders, stranded. they were confronted by what you're seeing. gushes of water that nearly shut the whole system down. many were trapped overnight. we have team coverage of the latest of the rescue missions that are still underway tonight. we have miguel marquez in new brunswick, new jersey. we have got jason carroll in queens, new york. we got pete muntean in philadelphia. and paula newton in mullica hill, new jersey. let's begin with pete. pete, we were talking before about you seeing kayakers saying they could dip a full paddle down there in the water. we were saying how it's not water you really want to be playing with. um, but how much is the pumping effort in and around the nfloodd area making a difference?

>> yeah, i'm going to set the sk scene, first, for you, chris. this is the vine street expressway, which would typically be filled with cars, instead filled with water. and maybe, the worst part is that it's not really gone down all that much. in the last five hours alone, the water's gone down maybe a foot by my estimate just watching the street signs here using that as a bit of a yardstick. this has become a bit of an attraction out here. maybe not the best idea of time but they told me they were able to stick their entire paddle into the water. so at least six or seven feet deep out there. the water about halfway up from where the bottom of the road would be. and near the top -- sorry, the bottom of the 21st street expressway there. so really intense flooding here. and this water has been relatively static here on the vine street expressway. a huge artery right through the center of philadelphia. it connects 76 on the west, the ben franklin bridge in camden,

new jersey, on the east. and the real bad part is that we have already gone through one rush hour with this like this and it seems like we'll probably go through another one tomorrow morning with the vine street expressway like this, again. so, a huge impact philadelphia wide. you know, we are only just scratching the surface here, though, on the flooding that's happening in the city and beyond. the river crested about 17 feet early today. it's forecasted by the national weather service to go below flood stage sometime around midnight. but the flooding emergency, the flooding warning persists here in philadelphia until 7:00 tomorrow morning. hundreds of calls for water rescues in neighboring montgomery county, alone. we know of the four deaths in pennsylvania, three of them are in montgomery county. one of them in the town of bridgeport, according to the mayor there, where dozens of homes were flooded. about three-quarters of the way up. you know, beyond the mortal toll here is the monetary toll, chris.

millions. maybe tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions, to clean this all up. and then, the cost to beef up this infrastructure to make it more resistant to climate emergencies like this. a term called climate resilience. something you are going to hear a lot of in the next few days. >> i will tell you and here we are on labor day weekend. you know, people are supposed to get a break. they're going to be working more than ever to get out of the mess down there. pete muntean, thank you very much. all right. let's talk about what's happening here in new york, specifically queens. 11 deaths reported in queens out of 13 city wide. why? areas that are vulnerable to flooding. people who got caught by sur surprise, and there was just too much water, too soon. i'm going to keep saying it because it's why this happened. earlier, we spoke to a couple who suffered severe damage to their home and two of their neighbors died in the storm. >> that could have been me. that could've been my daughter

or my neighbor's daughter. we are like a family here. this flood has brought us so close together so this loss is so huge for us. it is extensive. there -- there -- we have been on the streets. nobody has gone into their houses because we cannot comprehend what is going on here. we just lost a kid and his mother, just like that? >> jason carroll there is now in queens. i grew up not far from there. they are not wrong that that area is prone to flooding. >> yeah. >> um, but some of her frustration and anger is exactly based on that, jason, that they didn't see ida coming this way. this intense. but people should have known they would need more help and where is it? >> i mean -- i mean, look. when you think about what's happened here, the nypd, chris, made, what, 69 water rescues but they were not able to save the two people who died here in the home right behind me. just to give you a little background, they were in the

basement. a mother and -- a mother and son. the water came in so quickly, they were just unable to get out in enough time. and you heard the anger there. there is a lot of sadness in this community. a tight-knit community. there is a lot of anger because, as you said, this is a neighborhood that has flooded many times in the past. they've all seen it flood many times in the past. but they have complained to the city, over and over. they said that this is a situation that needs to be addressed or something tragic is going to happen. that's why there's so much frustration. that's, in part, why there's so much anger here because they warned the city, over and over again, chris, that something like this could happen. and now, it has happened. that woman who you spoke to -- i spoke to her, as well. those two who died lived right across the street from her. she described the woman and her husband as being extremely close. she remembers them walking down the street every day. they'd walk hand in hand. and so, when something like this happens in a neighborhood like this, it affects everyone, as you can imagine. and it affects them even more when they feel as though it's

something that could have been avoided, had more people been listening. and so, that's why you've got so much anger in the community right now. and look, chris, this is a problem that they say still has not been fixed. and the storms, they are just going to keep coming. >> i see the crews are behind you. but have you seen any other heavy equipment or anything come into the area, yet? >> no, not yet. i mean, basically, what you are looking at right -- right -- right now, out here, is cleanup. brooms. you know, vacuums. pumping equipment to get, you know, the mud and everything out of these homes. i mean, they are going to need more help in terms of getting equipment out here to help them clean up. but it's not just here. that's in a lot of neighborhoods throughout new york city. but in terms of heavy equipment, not that. what they really need out here are folks who are involved in planning and can figure out why this is an area that keeps flooding and what they can do about it. >> jason, appreciate you being there. be well. all right. now, we are going to turn to a town less than 30 miles south of

philadelphia in new jersey. a monster tornado touched down there. flattened dozens of homes through the night. paula newton is on the ground. i mean, you just don't hear tornado and new jersey. >> no and, chris, you know what they said here, this is not oklahoma. this is not tornado alley. this is new jersey. and they are absolutely staggered by what happened here a little bit more than 24 hours ago. chris, you and i can picture this, right? you are at home. you have either finished your meal. you are about to have your meal. people like the thomases, their home behind me, destroyed. they said they had about three minutes to get into the basement. mom is pregnant. two little ones in the basement. when they were in the basement, the debris from their home was still raining down on them in the basement. we -- you had said earlier, the governor of new jersey saying, look, 23 tragic deaths. most of them, people trapped in their vehicles. people here know that if it wasn't for those three minutes

of warning that they got from the time they saw it on their cell phone to the time they got in the basement, they would not be as fortunate today. today, they are concerned, thankfully, about things that stressful. these are their dream homes, they are their family homes but they know how fortunate they are. here is the thing, though, chris. you know, these are families who, tonight, would have been sharing a meal or a drink or -- or outside enjoying a beautiful, you know, summer night. and yet, now, what are they thinking? they're thinking we are on the frontline of climate change. they now see this as clear-and-present danger. and for that reason, when they were talking to their insurance companies around here today, they told me, quite honestly, we don't know yet if we are going to rebuild. from what they saw here to see that funnel cloud through their windows and understand that they had only moments to escape what really could have been, you know, devastating for their families. it's really been a shock to them. and they are kind of just

reeling, even though throughout this entire state of new jersey. we saw it to the north. all that incredible water just turned on like a faucet. and yet, here, yeah, they had rain. yeah, they had wind. but then, those funnel clouds ripped right through the neighborhood. and it's not that they are trying to come to terms with here especially when they don't feel that they had much warning. yes, they have had strong winds here before. you know, it rolls around some patio furniture. throws up some debris. but nothing like this. and -- and -- and they're really trying to figure out what to do next. and -- and if it's worth it to really rebuild when a lot of these homes right now really there is no coming back from it. just have to start from scratch. >> after something like that, you have nothing but dark thoughts for a while. and understandably so. and there is a measure of solace in losing things, versus people. um -- but things matter, also. and as we both know, nothing destroys like a tornado. paula newton, thank you very much. appreciate the coverage. now, let's go to miguel marquez. he's in the riverside town of new brunswick, new jersey, less

than an hour outside new york city. what's the situation with the water there now? >> reporter: yeah, we're where the tide is now waning heading out to the ocean. the water's going with it. we were with you an hour ago. it was about 2 inches down. this is the top of a wall here along route 18 or the memorial parkway. now, it's -- i don't know -- 6, 7 inches down. so it's -- it's starting to drain quite quickly as that tide goes out but you can see how much more water there is to go here and through very broad swaths of new jersey, as well. and it's not only the water. there's tons of debris in this water, as well, that as it recedes, it's along the road. so they are going to have to clean up all of that to get to it but they are still in the midst of an emergency here. there are 23 confirmed dead at this point. there may be more. they believe there are many still missing. they are not sure if that's just the confusion of everything they are dealing with right now or whether or not there are people

missing but there are a lot of crews out there. rescue crews who are getting into neighborhoods, getting into areas, getting into cars like you see here to try to figure out if there is anybody in there. if there are any other people who need help that they can help out. but it's -- it is a long, intense, difficult time that they are dealing with here in new jersey. chris. >> it's just starting and it's a battle against the clock because the longer that water sits, it's not just rain, right? it's not just saltwater that pushed in or brackish water. it's sewage. don't fall off that wall, miguel. we've known each other 20 years. you are not going to fall off that wall on my watch. thank you for being there. stay safe, you and the team. appreciate you. all right. there have been thousands of water rescues in this event, especially in pennsylvania. the crews are having to go house to house. and a lot of people are in there. you got to hope they hear you or you got to find a way in. it's very difficult. it takes a lot of time and it's exhausting. we're going to take you to one of the hardest-hit areas, and get the official word on

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that's right. thousands. severe flooding. officials there are still urging people living near the delaware river to exercise extreme caution. waters are still rising. the river has yet to crest. this is not over there. one of the affected areas is bucks county, near philadelphia. their commission chair is diane ellis and she joins us now. thank you very much for taking the opportunity. >> well, thanks for having me, chris. >> what is the current situation of concern? >> well, after a harrowing night last night, it's calmer. it's quieter. but we are cresting right now so we are, you know, holding our collective breath. >> now, what does that mean that it's cresting in terms of the impact in the communities and what you're trying to do to help? >> well, this is when the water will be at -- at its highest. and so, any water, we could be inundated. so anybody that's already got water could end up with more water. people who haven't left their homes but were cautioned to do so. you know, we're hoping that

they -- that they're leaving now or they've left. >> is the story same where you are that we are hearing from other officials which is, look, you knew it was coming. you knew there was going to be water. but not this much water, this fast. >> that's absolutely right. i really thought we will be able to handle this but no. no one expects 10 inches in some areas but the tornado. there were several tornados, i believe. and that just put it over the top. >> are the people who are in the areas where it is cresting now able to be communicated with and accessed or able to get out? >> you know, we've been maintaining contact. most people have left and are in a safe place. i'm hoping that there is in nobody still in those areas. we've sent out repeated warnings to get them to go to a different ground, to go to stay with family or friends, or to provide -- we'll provide them a shelter. >> bucks county 9-1-1 center logged more than 5,200 calls between 3:00 p.m. wednesday and thursday morning, which is more

than quadruple the typical 1,600 calls a day. is it true that the rescues are in the volume of the thousands and that they are still ongoing? >> i thought that's for the entire delaware valley. they are still going on. we're still out there. we had 44 water rescues and another 242 calls that were emergency calls that could have involved water in a car, deep water in a basement, things like that. but that is a lot of calls for us to take, overall. trying to get enough operators to answer the phone and the calls keep coming like that. that's exhausting work. >> absolutely. that's why we love our first responders. thank you so much for doing the job, diane ellis marseglia. you know how to get us if there's word that has to get out and we can help. another important story. you can't forget about the americans that just aren't trapped in homes here from flooding. that's bad enough. imagine being trapped overseas along with our afghan allies. what is our state department doing to get them out? we are hearing dramatic new

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this is afghanistan. a stampede. thousands trying to cross the border into pakistan. at least one person died in this crush. the reality is also that without a working airport, people trying to flee the taliban are left with few options. that includes americans and thousands of afghans who served alongside our military, and were promised to be kept safe.

let's bring in the better minds who know the region and the challenges. lisa curtis and phil mudd. lisa, let me start with you. thank you both, by the way. these reports that i am hearing from the ngo digital dunkirk veteran types that the state department is thwarting their efforts. does that make sense to you? >> well, i -- i doubt they're thwarting the efforts. but they probably could be doing more to facilitate these private organizations. the burden is really on the private organizations to get the charter flights, to identify third countries for the -- the refugees to go to. so while the state department has done a good job with the processing of the paperwork, they're literally processing thousands of special immigrant visas, other categories of refugees. they need to do a better job on helping with the oper --

operational part of this. because these private organizations need landing rights. they need to have assurances provided to the transit countries. the transit countries look to the u.s. government to make sure that the refugees are moving on to third countries. and once the refugees get to the third countries, it could take a year before their paperwork is processed. so, we really do need the state department to be part of this pro process, to work with the private organizations. and my understanding is they're trying to get a system in place. but they're literally building the aircraft while they're flying. and so, hopefully, they will -- they will get that process down, and be able to help these private organizations who are doing so much to help our afghan allies. >> these guys and women are angels, phil. they are doing, frankly, what

the state department should have been doing. and in many cases, logistically, they have been ahead of the u.s. government in terms of how to get them out. and their concern is they hear -- lisa's point -- they say, no, no, no, of course, you got to figure it out. this is all ad hoc. we don't have the time. and the idea, phil, of hey, be patient, be patient. there are people who are gonna be getting chased by barbarians with machetes is their concern. >> yeah. but i -- i guess, i have a slightly different perspective. i can't tell you how many people i've crossed paths with, diplomats, military people who have friends or former contacts in afghanistan who said they have independently contacted the state department. so, put yourselves in the -- put yourself in the shoes of the state department. hundreds or thousands of americans saying i got a friend and i want to get my friend out. i have got a logistical way to get that friend out. we have got to certify who's calling in. certify who -- who they're representing in afghanistan. how do you contact that person in afghanistan? how do you certify that the person who's calling you has a safe route out that they have

cleared with the taliban? i -- i don't think this has worked well, for example, the first three, four, five days, we lost thousands of people we should have gotten out. but as a former bureaucrat, i'm sure they are getting flooded with calls they can't valet. it's not that easy, chris. >> i get that it's not that easy. but you also don't want to make it any harder than you have to, lisa. and the most part, they are talking about americans that they are trying to get out and people who have siv applications and things that can be reviewed. and their offer -- you know, their offerings, a lot of them are former-intel people are offering help with any of the review. this is something that is workable, isn't it? >> yes, and i think that if the state department gets a process in place and doesn't put the full burden on the private organizations, then you are going to have a more organized process. um, these are, you know, diplomatic issues a lot of the times. when you are negotiating landing rights. when you are talking about -- um -- people moving on to third

countries. so i think we want the state department to be largely in control of the process. rather than each, individual organization kind of figuring out -- figuring it out as they go. so, i think it is possible to get a -- a better process in place. and there is also going to be the funding issue. as i was saying, these people are going to have to go to countries, maybe wait for a year. you know? >> right. i hear ya. jen psaki spoke about this, lisa. let me have you and phil listen to what she said, obviously press secretary. >> there is also a question. there are active. there continue to be active isis-k threats and there is also a question of where these flights go, where they land. we know isis-k has a keen interest in attacks against aviation targets and our personnel on the ground in our air -- in our military bases and these are among the risks that we take into account. >> how much does that slow it down, phil?

>> that doesn't work for me. look. isis-k would not be the thing i'd be worried about, chris. we left a couple of days ago, a lot of afghans left, including people who were in places like the airport, air traffic control. flights aren't going in there. the afghan airlines are not flying. the -- i think the most likely scenario are gunnery airways. they already have moved in to try to open the airport. so i don't necessarily see this just as a security issue. isis-k is not what i am thinking about. i'm thinking about how to get a darned aircraft in there that's functional that has pilots that are functional with support from the taliban and some air traffic control. i think there is a lot of logistical problems here for an airport that was abandoned 48 hours ago, chris. >> how much time do you think people, phil, have on the ground before the taliban -- um -- start seeing them as scalps? >> oof. two categories of people.

we tend to say the united states has a responsibility for siv, special immigrant visas, and americans. if i am looking at this as a i did as an analyst through the taliban's eyes, that's vastly different categories of people. the americans are very few. you have a responsibility, i think, especially if you want to get money, food, fuel, et cetera from the americans and the international community to -- to support americans getting out. but if you're the taliban looking at afghans, your first questions are why are they leaving? why aren't they supporting the reconstruction of afghanistan? and they're criminals. they supported the americans. we want to talk to them about who helped the americans. those afghans are a source of intelligence, and i think a lot of those people -- i -- i don't want to get too deep. i think they're in deep trouble. deep trouble. not the americans but the afghans. >> and, lisa, what do you do if you start to see the scenes of that kind of barbarism, what do you do? >> well, i think the afghans that are in most danger, of course, are those who worked for the military, the security forces.

and these are people who have -- a lot of them have burned their documents. they don't -- they don't want any evidence that they had worked with the afghan military. so, they -- they are very special case. but others, you know, women activists, human rights leaders, prominent journalists. these people, also, are in a certain amount of danger. but, you know, i think phil was right that they've got to get the airport up and running again. the qataris, the turks. but also, people are going out of the airport atin northern afghanistan. so there are people moving. they are moving over land. so people are trying to get out, you know, any way they can. >> right. >> and it is a melee right now. but for now, the taliban has committed that they would allow people to leave if they have proper documentation onward

destination. they have stated they would allow this and you have 100 countries who have signed a statement saying that they will continue to provide travel documents for their afghan allies to get out of the country. so we just need to keep the pressure on the state department. keep working with these private organizations. and, you know, making this happen because it -- it's -- there's a lot of people that still need to get out. >> well right now, we know about at least one that is being kept from getting out by the state department. so, hopefully, they figure it out. and, phil, just last word on this. remind me, why do you have any measure of confidence that the taliban would do anything in terms of conventional thinking of an operative government when this is the same group that we went in there to wipe out because of how they are? >> i don't. i just don't see -- i'm a

realist. i don't -- i don't see any other option. if you go into the airport and you need security, you don't want marines doing it. the taliban. if you got to get americans to the airport. how else are they going to get there besides the taliban? chris, i'm not an ideologue, i am a realist. i don't know how to do it without working through them. i don't trust them but no other option. >> phil mudd, lisa curtis. thank you, both, appreciate you. all right. let's turn to the real-time situation in kabul. one of the very few western journalists still there joins us, again, tonight. he is going to update on what is it like? we want to know what the urgency is to have to get out. what is the taliban doing on the streets in real-time? next.

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there was never any question that the taliban would do bad things, especially to women and girles. and sure enough, there are reports that women and girls are being forced into marriage or traveling with men pretending to

be their husbandes. why? because they got to get away from the taliban. this is the desperation that is fostered by what could be a worse fate, if they stay. that's what u.s. officiales who are processing afghan refugees say they are seeing. that's the fear of what life under the taliban will mean for women and girls. since the u.s. pulled out, we have not had much reporting from the ground inside afghanistan. one reporter who is still there is working for pbs's frontline. he is working on a documentary for frontline that airs october 12th and it's going to be covering everything happening on the ground now. it's good to see you and it's good to see you safe. >> thank you so much. thanks a lot. appreciate it. >> so we hear people saying hey you got to trust the taliban. you know, they want the money. they want to be taken seriously. they will work with the other gover governments to let people go. what are you seeing? >> well, it -- it -- it's

different basically. for instance, first of all, the taliban become a little restric stricter. for instance, now, you cannot film openly. you have to take permission. secondly, yesterday i met a couple of female. they were -- they were runaway from another province. one was 17 years old and another one was 21 years old. and i said why did you leave? they said the taliban going to get married and we just run away because we are scared. so far, we didn't see anyone. like they didn't come to me saying yes the taliban wanted to marry me and i ran away. but yes, they become a little bit rude or i can say harsh

towards the females. every day, i walk around kabul for a couple of hours. on another day, for instance, i went to one of the embassies to get a visa. and my female colleague was with me and the taliban literally look at her saying put your phone down. she was basically on the phone. put your phone down. otherwise, i will shoot you. this was -- i was -- i was really witnessing. and i told her please don't do anything. don't call. just put your phone on your bag. these things are really getting bad. when i ask the taliban spokesman, on another day, what's happening? they says you should remember it's still uncertain situation. the people who are in the middle and the lower rank, they don't know how to behave in the city. how to deal with the people. so allow us some times. so we don't know for how long but this is actually what's going on. >> um, in terms of the people

who are left behind, do you hear or see any indications that the taliban will start to look for people who are afghans who worked with the americanes? americans? >> one of the -- one of the activist women who i have been in touch with all the time. i met her other day. suddenly, she received a call from one of the provinces in the north and she put phone on loud speaker and she was crying saying the taliban searching house to house because her husband was working in the government. and she said they would come to me soon because they started from the beginning of the road and i don't know what will happen. so because she was an activist, she was begging for help. and she said i'm trapped in kabul. i cannot do anything. and she was giving everything. she was saying they -- they come and they are a bucnch of the taliban. they surrounded the entire road and they are looking, house to house, searching for the girl.

for the people who are working for the government. these things as -- as i said before, i never seen anyone but yes i came across with some female journalist or some activists. saying they are looking house to house. >> the work is going to be so meaningful. it has always been but what happens there now, very few eyes are going to see but yours will. so, we look forward to your documentary work and please stay safe. >> thank you. thanks. back here at home, the supreme court has chosen not to block -- you know, some of the reporting says the supreme court upheld the texas law. that's not accurate. what they did was they refused to review it, yet. okay? now, they could have. you could argue that it's not ripe, yet. that nobody has been hurt by the law, yet. um now, the question will be what happens next?

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. president biden is stepping up efforts to protect abortion rights, really reproductive rights. there's a difference. in the wake of the supreme court's refusal to block texas' new law, biden is launching what he calls a whole of government effort to respond to this near total ban on abortions. remember, at six weeks, when cardiac activity is usually detected, many women don't even know they're pregnant. the law also allows anybody, any joe schmo -- in fact, you want to hear an ugly example? somebody could rape a female. the female gets pregnant, and the male who raped them can find out that they get an abortion after six weeks, sue under the law, and get a bounty of $10,000. can sue the uber driver who

takes them there, someone who pays for the gas, someone who helps with travel, the person or the clinic that does the procedure. my next guest works with an organization that does just that. anna ripani is her name. she's the co-executive director of fund texas choice. they keep using the word, anna -- and thank you for joining us -- "pernicious," that this law was drafted in a pernicious fashion, meaning sneaky harmful. do you agree? >> yeah. i mean i will say it was sneaky, but i think if you were following the texas legislature earlier this year, we all knew it was coming. we were all fighting it. we were hoping it wouldn't happen. we knew this would be the impact. we knew this was going to happen. >> heartbeat is a play, right? they want to say heartbeat because it makes it sound like it's a person at six weeks. that's why it has a heartbeat as

opposed to cardiac activity. but allowing people to sue and therefore enforce the law as kind of like a civil arrest kind of situation, what do you make of that? >> it's -- it's supposed to be the chilling effect, right? it's supposed to be the harassment. the cruelty is the point. the point is to stop us from doing the work, harass us to no end so that we can't do the work, that we can't fight because we don't have the dollars to do it anymore, that we're tired, that we get exhausted. that's the point of this law. the point is to continue to bully and harass until we won't do anything anymore. >> so how can you help people get around it, anna? >> the law is so vague, and so there can be bad things said about that. one of the good things to be said about it is it doesn't say anything about us working with clients and helping them get out of state. we truly believe after talking to lawyers and other individual

who's have read this law over and over again, policy analysts and so forth, that we aren't violating the law by helping our clients get out of state and get an abortion. and, yes, everyone's asking, are you -- you know, are you going to be sued, or do you think you'll be sued? we probably will, and we're still going to be here because organizations like fund texas choice and the other eight grassroots organizations in texas are doing the hard work because there is no other choice, right? it's either we exist and follow our mission, or we don't, and we create even more barriers for pregnant folks. >> what percentage of the pregnant folks that you deal with do you think this law will affect? >> so with fund texas choice, nearly all of them. when you look at the clients we serve, almost every client is beyond eight weeks. >> and how many of them don't even know they're pregnant until they're beyond six weeks? >> almost every one of them. we have a handful of clients that know they're pregnant before six weeks, but that

doesn't -- it doesn't really matter, right, because if you find out that you're pregnant or you assume you're pregnant, by the time you might be able to get into a clinic could be right at that mark. and we saw the real impact of that just yesterday. we had a client who went to her clinic appointment on august 31st, had a sonogram because texas requires you to get a sonogram and wait 24 hours before getting an abortion. she went back to the clinic on september 1st, and they did a sonogram again. they measured embryonic card yak activity and told her she was no longer to get an abortion because s.b. 8 had gone into effect. so you see two restrictive laws working hand in hand to stop folks from accessing abortion. >> the game plan has always been here, talk the talk but don't walk the walk when it comes to restricting reproductive rights because it fires up the far right, but they never did it because they're so unpopular as

laws overall. do you think there's a chance that women, when they realize that their rights have been taken from them, whether or not they want to have exercise or not of that right, do you think there will be a political backlash from this? >> i do think so. i think we can see it from not just pregnant folks. we see it from everyone across the nation already. folks that are donating, folks that are volunteering, folks that have said to us and to others, we understand there's a possibility of us getting sued, but we are willing to fight. we'll do whatever we can. we'll help folks get out of texas. we'll help fight in texas. i think there's going to be huge political backlash because the numbers -- there was a study done. numbers say it. less than a third of texans want more restrictions on abortion, and they came. it still happened. so i think the politicians aren't listening to their constituents. they're just doing what they want to do. >> anna rupani, thank you very much for your perspective. appreciate you.

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