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supporting role in "love craft country." he has drawn fans and actors alike. former costar alec baldwin calling williams a stunningly raw and powerful actor. the city's medical examiner will determine his cause of death. williams was just 54 years old. thanks for joining us tonight. thanks for joining us tonight. "ac 360" is now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. hope you had a good labor day weekend. the unofficial end of summer. that's what this weekend was. unfortunately it begins with the rise in the death toll after hurricane ida. in the northeast where president biden will visit tomorrow, 52 people now reported dead across six states, most in new york and new jersey, stories of people trapped in apartments, others unage to hold on to loved ones, a trooper swept away after responding to a missing person's call. the floods used to come every 20 to 25 years.
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now they're coming every three, four and five years, he said. in a moment, we'll have a live report from louisiana as well. first athena jones joins us with the latest from new york city. so, what's going on? >> reporter: well, anderson, we are in gequeens, one of the are hardest hit from the storm in terms of damage, as you can see from the debris piled up behind me. people are putting out appliances and furniture to try to rebuild their lives, so hard hit with damages, but also with loss of life. many of the deaths in queens occurring in blooded basement apartments. >> reporter: heartbreaking stories of loss. new york police showing video of their attempt to rescue a queens couple and their 2-year-old, all three later found dead in their flooded basement apartment. two other queens residents died when a wall collapsed in the flooding. >> what we saw today was
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absolutely heartbreaking. the amount of damage and destruction that these families have experienced. >> reporter: communities across the region beginning to put their lives and homes back together after the devastation wrought by the remnants of hurricane ida. >> if you drive around queens, it looks like a bomb went off. everybody's personal belongings are out on the street. we just need someone to help us out. >> reporter: state and federal officials say help is on the way, with president biden set to visit new york and new jersey tuesday after approving federal disaster relief for five new york counties and six in new jersey to help families and businesses repair and rebuild. >> we're at $50 million in damages, and we'd anticipate the numbers to go up. but that did trigger the threshold that we are eligible to apply for a major declaration assistance. >> reporter: the true extent of the storm's impact is still being realized. ida claiming the lives of at least 50 people across the
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region. at least four died in pennsylvania and at least 27 people lost their lives in new jersey, where governor phil murthy toured flood damage. >> there are 15 other counties in new jersey and we're in there fighting on behalf of those other counties that were impacted. >> reporter: state and local officials focused on how to be better prepared for the next storm by improving infrastructure and putting better warning systems in place to alert people of the danger. >> we have sea walls that need to be raised. we have, you know, sewers that were built 100 years. we really need help from the federal government to get back on our feet and get ready for the future. >> so, athena, how do people who need storm relief get it from the federal government? >> well, one way, anderson, is that the city, new york mayor bill de blasio saying today that the city will be sending teams door to door to people's homes
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in all of the storm affected areas to make sure they're aware of these benefits and that they sign up to get this relief. we're talk about important relief from the federal government, like temporary grants for home repairs. valuable aid. >> athena jones, i appreciate it. thanks so much. the president's visit tomorrow follows one he made last week to louisiana where this moment close to half a million people are still without power and where the intense heat after the storms claimed lives. so, what more do we know about what was discovered in new orleans over the weekend? >> reporter: this is sort of the tragedy that came after the storm. it began friday when members on the health department began investigating a number of buildings they knew were senior living facilities. once they got into the very first building, they said they found deplorable conditions.
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clearly the buildings were without electricity. people were without air conditioning. the temperatures had soared and many of the seniors were trapped because the elevators didn't work and they couldn't use the stairs to get down to the ground floor. all weekend long they continued to look at building after building after building that was for housing the elderly. all told they've found ten, evacuated hundreds of senior citizens to the shelters to the north of louisiana. and sadly they also found five people who died. and they say that in some cases these buildings did have a staff, but the sattaff self-evacuated leaving the senior citizens on their own, anderson. >> what's the mayor said about this? >> mayor cantrell was fired up at her press conference. here's more of what she said about it. >> and when you leave nothing but a sign that says, call 311,
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when they're responsible, i have a problem with that. so, we're not going to get into a blame game scenario. we're going to call it what it is. and it was negligence, and it is not on the backs of the city of new orleans. >> in fact there is some pushback against the city of new orleans, and it's coming from some of the owners of the buildings. in fact, the new orleans archdiocese, the catholic church owns a couple of those buildings. and they say they reached out to the city before friday and said that the city should have known there was a problem. in fact, they said in the days following sunday's landfall, christopher holmes' leadership repeatedly requested resources. after the death of one of our residents was reported, five days later civil authorities responded and provided resources to evacuate those residents who had not voluntarily evacuated. in other words, why did the city wait until friday when the storm had hit on sunday to say we
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should investigate the welfare of the senior citizens? they say they don't want a blame game, but it's in full force tonight, anderson. >> and how are things tonight in new orleans and the rest of louisiana? >> if you talk about the city of new orleans, they're getting better. 70% of the electricity by this evening is expected to be restored. and they hope to have most of the power back by wednesday. but elsewhere, still about half a million people without electricity. and in many of the sort of rural or more distant parishes it's going to be problematic because where the power lines have come down it's so remote they're going to need boats or airboats to get in to find those systems. so, that's why they're saying not until the end of the month for power for them. there are grocery stores open today, more gas stations that have gasoline. the hospitals are up and running, and the national guard is handing out food, water and ice. so, it's improving, but there's still a lot of suffering going
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on. >> martin savidge, appreciate it. we want to get perspective on the destruction of ida in the northeast. democratic nominee for mayor, mr. adams thanks so much for being with us. you drew up a comparison between president carter's visit to the south bronx in the 1970s which brought a lot of global attention to the plight of the city to president biden's visit to queens tomorrow. you think it's that significant? >> yes, i do. when you look at the 13 lives that were lost here, the devastation of not only personally with me but property damage, it's really going to highlight how our inner cities must start looking at how we did with climate change. >> most of the deaths in new york city happened in converted basement apartments, illegally converted basement apartments that flooded. people were trapped, drowning in their own homes. what -- how do you stop that if
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you're mayor? >> well, of course you also have vehicles. that's a big deal in addressing the apartments. we also have prices. it's predicted that about 100,000 people are living in basic apartments, and many of them are low income new yorkers. so, you don't want to stop one crisis and create another. you can be smart about this with early warning system. we have to be smart about addressing this real issue that we are facing dealing with our climate and the weather. and then the climate around affordable housing and living standards. >> do you think this city and other american cities are prepared for what potentially lies ahead as the climate continues to change? >> no, we're not. and let's be honest with ourselves, i say this over and
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over again, we screwed up our planet and we have to be honest about that. we look at our sewer systems in new york. many of them made of bricks. when you see something like that, you're ready for the rainfall, we're just not ready for niagara falls. i was out that night and i saw the level of rain in our city that was just really something that was unbelievable to witness. so, what must we do? let's be honest. let's look at what other countries have done across this globe, the netherlands and others, and say how do we live with water. we thought we could just build walls around our seashores and water areas where high area are located. but that's not the reality. this came from inland. this came from the sky. and i think we just need to rethink about living with water and how we do it correctly.
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i was happy that the governor decided to deploy the national guards to help in the cleanup effort. and then we're going to do some new things about early warning systems using technology and any other method of letting everyday new yorkers know when a storm is coming. >> it's obviously the last thing this city needs, new york city, given the economic issues, public safety issues ooi. i've got to say you and i have often discussed problems with police departments in this city and across the country. you were a captain in the new york city -- i believe you're retired as captain in the new york city police department. i've got to say to watch these videos where the police officer is out during the storm diving underwater trying to get people, i mean it's just one of those moments where you -- you're very thankful for the folks who were out there, the police who were out there, the firefighters as
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well. >> right. and we should never mix up the two. the call for proper police reform has nothing to do with our real admiration for the men and women who put on that blue uniform and put themselves in harm's way all the time. i believe that we have one of the most amazing law enforcement entities on the globe, if not the entire country. and i'm proud of what they do. any time there's an emergency, they place themselves in harm's way. and we don't have to mix up the justice we deserve with the safety we need. and the police department did an amazing job as well as our first responders and our firefighters in saving the lives of a large number of new yorkers. >> eric adams, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. take care. >> all right. you too. still to come tonight, a story, we'll warn you now, is just horrific. a former marine sharpshooter charged now with the murders of four individuals in florida,
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including a baby. showed up killing people allegedly in two homes early in the morning, had no connection directly with the people he killed. it is a stunning story. we'll have that for you next. and later two incredible stories of two groups of people escaping afghanistan, the tal pan. details when we get back. of their first year automatically woo! i got my mo-ney! it's hard to contain yourself isn't it? uh- huh! well let it go! woooo! get a dollar for dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover. i was drowning in student loan debt. then i discovered sofi. lower interest rate. my principal is going down. sofi is a place where you can start to tackle those money goals today. ♪
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sheriff's forensic lab trailer and over my right shoulder is the burned out pickup truck. that was on fire when the deputies arrived. the suspect apparently caused that fire. also there's a path from the street leading to the house behind me. the suspect had put glow sticks there trying to entice the deputies as they arrived to actually enter the home, just trying to pique their curiosity, apparently. but the sheriff here has said that this suspect was prepared for armageddon. so, that's why they have so much to process here. they said there were three guns inside. so, they're going to look very closely at those and process those. there were bullet holes all over the house, in the doors and windows. they're processing those. also plenty of blood was left behind at this horrific scene. and we are getting more and more details about and thatterson. and some of these details you may find disturbing. >> he's evil in the flesh.
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he was a rabid animal. >> reporter: polk county sheriff grady judd is talking bt a 33-year-old ex-marine who is now charged with killing four people in a horrific pre-dawn shooting. >> it was just continuous, pop, pop, pop, pop. >> reporter: it happened about 4:30 in the morning sunday at this house in lakeland, florida. >> in the main house, we discovered a man, a woman and an infant in the mother's arms all shot to death. >> reporter: authorities say the baby boy was just three months old. also dead, the baby's 62-year-old grandmother who was hiding in her closet in another house on the property. the family dog also shot and killed. when deputies arrived there was a shootout involving dozens, maybe even hundred of rounds, says the sheriff. windows and doors were left riddled with bullet holes, and deputies heard a woman scream
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and a baby whimper. >> he was a coward. >> reporter: investigators say the suspect was wearing body armor was surrendered after he was shot. >> when someone chooses to give up, we take them into custody peacefully. if he had given us the opportunity, we would have shot him up a lot. you see, it's easy to shoot innocent children and babies and people in the middle of the night when you've got the gun and they don't. but he was not much of a man. >> reporter: when deputies finally got inside, they discovered the bloody scene along with an 11-year-old girl who had been shot multiple times but is expected to recover. investigators say it does not appear the shooter knew his victims. >> that's the scary part to me because since it was random, i'm literally the next driveway. and it could have been me or my family. >> reporter: the suspect now faces four charges of murder as
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well as other charges including attempted murder. the sheriff says the suspect told them he was a survivalist and high on meth, and this terrifying detail. >> he just explained that they begged for their life and that he shot and killed them anyway. >> reporter: the suspect served in iraq and afghanistan and was a designated sharpshooter. his girlfriend told investigators the suspect recently started to believe he was communicating with god. >> she said he had ptsd. i've seen him depressed. and he said, you know, god spoke to him. and now he can talk directly to god. and she said, i'd never seen that kind of behavior. >> reporter: according to the criminal affidavit, the suspect told authorities voices and god told him to do it. he allegedly said he shot the infant, because i'm a sick guy, adding, i want to confess all of it and be sent to jail. >> and you and i were talking on
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the other show, "full circle" earlier. he actually showed up at this property hours before the shooting, then came back. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. nine hours before, in fact. this really all started on saturday night when the suspect, according to the sheriff, came by here. he was talking to the man out front who now turns out is one of the victims. he was mowing his lawn and the suspect apparently said to him according to the sheriff that he was looking for a girl named amber, saying that it was his daughter. and the suspect was apparently saying he had a message for her, he had been communicating directly with god and had a message for her. the man said, there is nobody by that name. someone else came out from the house, now we know that person is also a victim. said to that man, you have to go. we are calling the police. he left, apparently quite angry about that and went home, drove
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about 45 minutes away to his home, anderson, and somehow found his way back here at 4:30 in the morning on sunday high on meth according to authorities and shot the people he had the altercation with on the front lawn and the others inside. >> and the 11-year-old girl was shot multiple times do. we know how she's doing? >> reporter: yeah, she's doing well. she's going to recover, according to the sheriff. she was shot actually seven times in her legs. it was really incredible that she survived this. it's a wonder she survived this. but the sheriff says he spoke with her aunt, and apparently she told him that this girl had prayed and played dead. and that is how she managed to survive this. >> randi kaye, a appreciate it. as i mentioned to randi, i spoke to the sheriff on my online show "full circle." it was an amazing and shilling conversation. you can check it out online.
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learning tonight about a remarkable escape from the taliban. one american woman and her three children who got out of afghanistan via an overland route after not being able to fly out. tonight they are safe. so, what happened? >> reporter: well, anderson, this information is from the oklahoma congressman markwayne mullin, who says these four americans who the state department announced earlier today who made their way out of afghanistan over land are in fact three children and their mother. he spoke with our colleague earlier today. he says this family was not able to get out at the airport amid those scenes of chaos that we
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remember. they were not able to fly out from there. they were not able to fly out from another location in afghanistan. so, they made their way out of the country essentially on foot v via that over land route. the state didn't offer much in the way of confirmation. they said, we provided guidance to them, worked to facilitate the safe passage and greeted the americans once they crossed the order border. we're not in a position to offer additional information. anderson, these are just four of the estimated 100 americans who want to leave the country since the full u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. >> traveling over land through to, i guess, to pakistan, there's got to be a lot of taliban check points along the way. >> this is a hunl test of that assurance that the taliban has given the u.s. and other countries that they will allow people out of the country if they've got the reck correct
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travel dock yumts. they had to go through 20 different taliban check points. and at one near the border crossing where they crossed out of afghanistan, they had to wait for more than 13 hours. now, the state department has said that the taliban was aware of this evacuation and did not impede that process. that is absolutely critical. this assurance is critical because so much of these people getting out hinges on what the taliban does. anderson, we've also been following another group of people trying to get away from afghanistan and come to the u.s. they are afghans who worked very closely with u.s. forces, afghan pilots, members of the afghan air force. and in order to prevent their equipment from falling into taliban hands, they fought until the last moment and then literally flew their aircraft out of the country. many of them are now trying to get to the u.s., and they're discovering how hard that is. >> reporter: as the taliban
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swept across afghanistan and closed in on kabul, an order went out from the head of the afghan air force to pilots, get in your aircraft and get out of the country. the pilots, many of whom were trained by the united states, took dozens of planes and helicopters, flying north to safety in tajikistan and uzbekistan. but now they're stuck, too scared to go back, unable for now to get to the u.s. >> we're leaving here like a prisoner, i can say that clearly. >> reporter: i spoke today with a u.s.-trained pilot in uzbekistan held in a camp, whose plane was shot down by the taliban in afghanistan as he fled. he was rescued by an afghan helicopter pilot and flown across the border. >> my aircraft got shot, so i returned back for landing. the aircraft crashed, but that was kind of like a forced landing. >> reporter: the pilot is a colonel we are not naming for security reasons. he says he is one of over 460
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pilots, mechanics and others in uzbekistan. he tells me he hasn't heard from u.s. officials about what will happen next. and many of their families are still in afghanistan trying goat out. >> there's rarely a day that goes by that there's not either an afghan air force member or an immediate family member that either is detained or killed by the taliban. >> retired general david hicks was in charge of training afghan pilots in the united states and is now working as part of a large network called operation sacred promise, trying to get th them to the u.s. >> it's all volunteers, you know, former servicemen, some civilians that have actually joined the team. and there are some that are active duty and they're doing all this on their personal time, trying to get these folks out. and it's been a roller coaster ride for the last three weeks. >> reporter: hicks says he's also in touch with the
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u.s.-trained pilots in tajikistan where he's told there are over 140 afghan personnel and 30 aircraft. for help, hicks reached out to lawmakers in congress, including austin scott, whose georgia district some of the pilots trained in. >> these are people that fought with the united states on our side of a two-decade war, and i would like to see them allowed to come to the united states, fully vetted, come to the united states as people who fought with our troops, protect our troops and did the right thing that the united states asked them to do. >> reporter: scott says uzbekistan wants the afghans out of their country. he and general hicks are critical of how slow the state department is moving. >> they've known for two and three weeks there's personnel there and to the best of my knowledge nothing has been done to move any of them. >> alec, what is the state department saying abt that? >> not very much. they didn't respond to our request to comment. they did they they're working closely with the government. there is some evidence anderson that this process is moving or
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at least has started. two sources familiar with this process are telling me that biometrics have been taken from at least some of the men. that is a first step in the vetting and processing before many of these visa applicants can make their way to the u.s. >> thanks very much. i also want to correct myself. i said earlier about that family of four who had crossed over out of afghanistan over land. i assumed it was to pakistan. i shouldn't have made that assumption because there's obviously a number of countries it could have been and the u.s. government is not saying. the battle over mask wearing and more in american schools with more students head back to the classroom this week.
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emergency planning for kids. we can't predict when an emergency will happen. so that's why it's important to make a plan with your parents. here are a few tips to stay safe. know how to get in touch with your family. write down phone numbers for your parents, siblings and neighbors. pick a place to meet your family if you are not together and can't go home. remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency.
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a summer that started with high hopes with covid vaccines is ending with a surge of covid cases and deaths. there are four times the number of people in hospital with covid-19 now compared to memorial day. average daily cases up over 800%. back then we were losing an average of 534 people a day. now over 1,000. this week ahead, more students return to classroom for a new school year and across the country that means more debates over mask wearing and other things. cnn's sunland survehas more on culture wars in america's schools. >> our children, our choice! >> our children need to be vaccinated. >> hit me in the mask!
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you hit me in the mask! >> you spit on me! >> you did so! >> reporter: these ugly scenes are happening outside schools and in school board meetings all over the country. some school districts are now battlegrounds in the highly partisan culture wars. issues like mask wearing, critical race theory and gender equality have led to anger on both sides. protesters in williams county tennessee erupted after the board voted for a temporary mask mandate in schools. >> we know who you are! we know who you are! >> we will find you. >> you will never be allowed in public again. >> reporter: the local police had to step in to control the crowd. >> shame on you! shame on you!
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>> reporter: this school board in loudoun county, virginia, were meeting on critical race theory. critical race theory holds that much of america's history includes systemic racism. teaching it has been restricted in at least 28 states according to "the new york times" and chalk beat. attendees say the crowd here was so upset they screamed and threw things at board members. >> you're teaching children to hate others because of their skin color. and you're forcing them to lie about other kids' gender. i am disgusted by your bigotry and your depravity. it's time replace -- [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: one attendee was even arrested by police for allegedly threatening to hurt someone. >> this is an unlawful arrest!
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>> reporter: this is just one example of how children are being placed front and center in these debates. >> your children and your children's children will be subjugated! let me ask how many vaccines have you had? have you been a good little nazi! >> recently talked about it with the education secretary, miguel cardona. secretary cardona, how do you cut through the noise to make sure kids are not getting caught in the middle of these culture wars going on in classrooms? >> you know, we really need to focus on what's best for students. and at this pointer with talking about making sure students have an opportunity to be in the classroom safely and making sure our staff feel safe going to work so that we don't have another year of disrupted learning. students suffered enough. it's time to make sure we do everything we need to do to focus on our students being in
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the classroom safely. >> and you have two decades of experience as a public school le educator. have you seen a time in your career where political division has seeped so far. parents are getting into fistfights over mask mandates. >> i really haven't, and it is unfortunate. we need to stay focused on getting our students back in the classroom safely, letting our educators teach, letting our school leaders do their jobs and district leaders do their jobs. it is unfortunate to see what's happening. but we are also seeing great examples of students coming back into the school after a year of absence because educators and leaders are doing the right thing. but we need to make sure all children are able to come into the schools safely. >> should there be mandatory vaccinations for teachers? >> i support teams when they do that. we don't mandate mkss or vaccines at the federal level.
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we just want to do everything in our power to keep students safe. i do support those places requiring it. we know it helps keep our children safe, so i do support it. >> the department opened invs. interrogation into five states discriminating against students with disabilities who might have a higher risk from severe illness. one of those states, kim reynolds said the biden administration, quote, decided to peculiar a political fight and went on to say we will continue to support individual liberty over government mandates. is that what this is about, individual liberty? >> i support the ability for local districts to make decisions on how to safely reopen schools. we really need to keep the politics out of it. we did this last year. i was commissioner of a state last year, and we reopened schools by working well together, communicating regularly. we're prepared. the department of education to work with every state, every governor to do what we can to support their safe reopening.
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we've done a lot at the department in terms of handbooks and guidance. we really need to work together to keep our students safe, number one, and learning the classroom. they've -- as i said earlier, they've suffered enough. they've been disrupted. we can't let this year be another year of disruption. i tell you, anderson, in those places that are less likely to enforce the mitigation strategies that we know work, we're seeing sad stories of emergency rooms being filled up and icus being filled up. we could do better and our students deserve that. >> what do you say to parents who say this is a matter of individual liberty and they don't want their kids being forced to wear a mask when going to school? they think it ruins the experience for their child in the school. >> you know, i understand the emotions are strong on both sides, but disrupted learning or being forced to learn from home is worse. and children are fine. i was in a school earlier today. the children are fine.
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this is more than just that parent's child. this is about the child that sits next to that parent's child who might have a vulnerability, who might have a disability and is more likely to end up in the hospital if he or she catches covid. so, let's come together around our children. i mean, their safety is the most important thing for us. so, let's keep them safe. and as soon as we're able to remove the mask, believe me, i want them off too. but right now is not the time to take them off yet. >> i appreciate your time. thanks. >> thank you. just ahead on this labor day monday, the cnn films "lfg" airing profiling the u.s. women's national team and why their biggest battle may be happening off the field. what the captain of the team told me next.
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on this labor day there's a new cnn film airing in just a few minutes called "lfg." they won four olympic gold and four world cup championships, and the players allege they're not receiving pay that's equal to what the men's team makes. a federal court disagreed last year, throwing out the equal pay claim. the women's players were already paid more than the men's team, it said. the players are now appealing. i talked to becky sauerbrunn. talk about the thought process you and your teammates went through about bringing this suit for equal pay. >> yeah, sure. so, i've been on the team for a decade, and i've been through a
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few rounds of collective bargaining. and each time we were making some strides in working conditions and better pay. but it seemed like the gap in a lot of cases was still widening when it came to our male counterparts. so, we started to explore different avenues of how could we close the gap. and in 2016 we decided to file a complaint with eeoc. and we were excited about that. it was a huge move for us. and it was just going so slow they had not come to any sort of judgment or result. so, we decided then in 2019 that we were going to withdraw the eeoc complaint and actually file a lawsuit. so, we kind of escalated pretty quickly. >> the u.s. women's soccer team has been incredibly successful, four olympic golds, four world cup championships. was it a hard decision to decide to sue -- i don't know if you're suing your boss but to sue, i guess your boss.
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>> yeah, very much suing your boss. and surprisingly it wasn't that tough. the program, the women's program has been around for a few decades now and really it was time. it really was time. so, when you brought this to the team and kind of tried to explain what this would look like, how long it would take, the energy and the effort from players, everyone was on board. and it was really pretty astounding and astonishing and makes me proud to think about. but we were full steam ahead, let's do this. >> so, a federal judge dismissed the claim of the lawsuit which your team is appealing. i'm wondering what your reaction was when you heard that news. >> oh, man, very, very disheartening. i think we all kind of had a minute where we held the pity party and we were like, oh, this is terrible. how could they think that? and you know, we disagreed with the judge's argument. and then really it was, okay, what are our next steps. and i don't think anyone actually thought, okay, that's
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it. let's just clap our hands and be done with all this. it was like okay, how does the appeals process work? do we need to bring on a new legal team. it was all like what's next, what's next, what's next, this fight is not over. >> we should also point out that the judge ruled that the u.s. women's national team earned more both cumulatively and on an average per-game basis than the men's team than the years the lawsuit is suing over. did his reasoning make sense to you? >> unfortunately, it did not makes sense to us. what we're arguing is about rate of pay. unfortunately, we had to pay about 30 more games and have to be very successful in all the games we played in to even make a comparable wage to what the men have. for us it's not about the cumulative amount. it's about the rate of pay n. that president are, there is discrimination. >> just to be clear, the prize money amounts for world cup specifically, they're determined by international association, not the u.s. soccer, is that
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right? >> fifa is responsible for the bonuses that get paid to each federation. if we win the world cup, the money goes to the federation and the federation decides how that's dispersed to the players. >> and there's a working condition settlement that's been reached. did that give any kind of -- was that a forward step? >> i think so, yes. i think working conditions are extremely important and luckily we did come to a nice settlement where we have equal working conditions to the men. i will say that was a long time coming. we are very, very happy we got to that point, and now it is on to the equal pay and making sure there is no more wage discrimination between us and male counterparts. >> why were working conditions different between women and men? that makes no sense. >> exactly. it made no sense to us either. >> in what way? >> we are basically a traveling circus.
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we have all this stuff we have to move from one location to the next location to play. for the most part, men were getting the chartered flights and staffing was better and traveling with better equipment. it's all these things that really add up when you consider that our job is to travel the world playing soccer. >> and to someone listening to this, maybe they think, well, you know, it sounds glamorous that you're traveling the world and you're complaining about how you're doing it. when you're traveling the world, i can speak from experience, this stuff really matters, like, how you get from point a to b when that is your entire life. your entire life is spent in hotel rooms and getting from one place to another, you start to, you know, notice when other people are doing it in a way that's much more, much easier for them. and actually helps them play better probably. and you have to expend all this energy dealing with all this crap that no one else does. >> yeah. very much so.
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you hit the nail on the head. and it is a competitive advantage. it goes from traveling to hotels to staffing of your medical staff. so, it kind of runs the gamut. >> you said what you're doing isn't about you and your teammates involved in this lawsuit, it's not only about that, it's about something much bigger. what is your message for young players, both men and women, boys and girls, getting into the sport on the future of equal pay? z >> yeah, i very much feel -- there's 28 plaintiffs in this lawsuit. and for the most of us -- for the most part, we will not be getting any sort of advantage from getting equal pay. we're going to phase out. wither going to get older. wi we're going to be done with playing soccer. it's about doing this for the next generation. we're hoping that the next generation will not have to fight this fight, that it's already been fought and that women will be valued as much as male counterparts. for the young guys and the grown guys, be allies. if you see something, ask
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questions. why is it run this way? don't put your head in the sand. we need allies. and men fighting for us and fighting for women, that has a huge impact. >> i appreciate talking to you. thank you so much. the new cnn film "lfg" premieres in just a few minutes right at the top of the hour on cnn. we'll be right back. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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