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president biden set to unveil a six-point plan tomorrow for his administration, trying to end the covid pandemic, how they're going to try to do it. officials say it has a mix of encouragement and mandating. and the president is also facing crucial weeks ahead, in pushing his massive infrastructure and spending plans through congress. can he keep democrats united? and disagreement within the

family of robert f. kennedy. joining me now, john harwood and john avlon. thank you very much. i appreciate both of you joining me. john harwood, president biden is set to give a major speech tomorrow. what do we expect to hear from him? >> don, september is a critical month for joe biden on multiple fronts. one of them is managing the aftermath of afghanistan. another is trying to push this legislative program through congress by keeping his democratic party together. not an easy task. but what we're going to see tomorrow is an attempt to reset his effort on the absolute number one priority for his administration, the key to everything, and that's getting on top of the covid pandemic. the delta variant has scrambled their early success. so we expect him to lay out some

detail on how he's going to act on six different goals or objectives in his plan. one is to beef up vaccinations. some sort of vaccination mandates, employers, that sort of thing. second is a plan for booster shots. third is ways to keep schools open. that's critical to parents and to children around the country. scho he's going to talk about how to improve masking and testing, mask compliance, testing regimes. keep the economic recovery going. and finally, improve health care for people who already have covid-19. it's a massive undertaking. we've gone backwards in the last few weeks. biden will try to get his team on top of it tomorrow. >> mr. avalon, how can the

president turn this crisis around? >> i think he has to lean into the idea, if you refuse to get vaccinated, you'll have to give up certain freedoms. companies and private businesses need to step up and require it for employees to come into the office. there's an open question about airlines, for example. and you still have 26% of the country refusing to get vaccinated. these are the folks who are getting hospitalized and dying. he needs to restore his administration's reputation for competence by refocusing on covid, and calming folks who are seeing a second wave that will increase disruptions to their life. schools are a key part of this. he has a big task on his hands. he has to lean into the fact that folks that are refusing to

get vaccinated are driving this for the rest of us. >> and reports that the biden administration is preparing to sue texas over the state's new abortion bill. what do you know? >> simply that they're going to try to attempt a challenge. you know, the president hinted at that a couple of days ago, when he said he was exploring legal avenue to do something about this law. we don't know what the arguments will be, how they're going to do it. but given the heat that has arisen from abortion rights forces, a critical element of the democratic party and the democratic coalition, he has to do something. they're going to give it a shot. don't know if that will be filed tomorrow or on friday. but we'll see. the legal reasoning and the particular arguments that they make when they do that. >> john, the biden administration has removed 11

officials appointed to military service academy boards by former president trump, like sean spicer, kellyanne conway, and h.r. mcmaster. what is the white house saying? >> the white house is saying that this is within the prerogative of the president of the united states to put people he wants on those boards and take people he doesn't want off of them. let's just keep in mind some perspective here. donald trump ran a very bad administration that culminated in an armed insurrection against the will of the american people on january 6th. many people he stocked the administration with were, like him, unfit to serve. not all of them, but many of them were. what you said is the administration today saying, we're going to remove a bunch of

these people, and jen psaki cited two people. >> i will let others evaluate where they think kellyanne conway or sean spicer were not political and qualified to serve on these boards. but the president wants you to be qualified to serve and that you be aligned with the values of this administration. >> sean spicer angrily denounced the decision, saying it had insulted his service as a naval officer. but keep in mind, sean spicer began his job on the very first day in the white house telling a gigantic lie about the president's inauguration. kellyanne conway followed that up by saying they were going to offer alternative facts.

president biden decided these weren't the kind of people he wanted on these boards. >> john, i'm going to let you respond. the other john. because spicer said on his show, then you have kellyanne conway, trying to glorify herself saying, i'm not resigning but you should. they've lost all credibility, the last time i checked. the last white house trampled all over the truth. i'm sure that's in part why the administration took this move. but isn't it in the purview of the president to say, these are the folks i wanted. and didn't trump do something similar? >> he packed a lot of these boards, and put his own people. but jen psaki said, you can make a strong case that spicer and conway are not qualified. they were partisan hacks put into this position. when conway says it's political

to take her out of this office, she should look in the mirror. that said, it's a big mistake by the biden administration's own standard, taking out someone like h.r. mcmaster. someone with a long, dist distindisti distindisti distinguished record in the military. he was fired by trump for not toeing the party line when it came to russia. but that is a big mistake to lump in someone like h.r. mcmaster, who does have the qualifications to serve, with the conways and spicers of the world. >> john and john, from these two johns to another john, except he spells it differently, thank you very much. see you later. i want to bring in presidential historian jon

mea meacham. thank you, good to see you. good evening to you. in the next 2 1/2 weeks, president biden needs to get his infrastructure and budget bills over the finish line, while dealing with covid, the recovery from multiple deadly storms, the fallout from afghanistan. give us some context on the significance of this month to the biden presidency. >> what is second prize? it's the businessest est agenda imagine. august is almost always a terrible month. there's something about august. and lord willing, september and october and november and going forward will be better. you know, it was 90 years ago this weekend that franklin roosevelt gave a statement

to "the new york times magazine" in which he said, the presidency is not preeminently an engineering job, which was a shot at herbert hoover, it's preeminently a place of moral leadership. and moral in that sense didn't necessarily mean ethical behavior. but it meant custom, how we are with each other. i thought f.d.r. was wrong to take the shot at hoover. it's about engineering, it's about running things. and it's about setting a tone and an ethos in which we see each other not as adversariadve or as opponents, but as neighbors. that's how democracies work. and we've had a very good run in this country, 2 1/2 centuries or so, of having a constitutional republic that has endured

through storm and strife. it's an inflection point. it would be ahistorical and intellectually dishonest to say the country is not facing, i believe, the most significant crisis since the 1850s in terms of the durability of our democracy. intellectual honesty is saying something good about the bad guys, and something bad about the good guys. on january 6th, the facts changed. and the unvaccinated masses that are making the pandemic so much worse is a changed fact. i think the president of all the people i can imagine, of all the people on that stage in the democratic primary and surely the people who were on the stage in the general election debate, i would want joe biden confronting these problems.

>> tomorrow, jon, the president is expected to unveil a path forward out of the pandemic. biden ran as a candidate that would end the covid crisis. you have the delta variant and people refusing to get vac vaccinated, as you call them, the unvaccinated masses. that is changing everything. what do americans need to hear from him? >> i think they need to hear that your responsibility as an american patriot is to care about other americans. i would frame it, i've been part of this, but what i would do is i would frame this as a patriotic act. you know, people didn't opt out of hitting omaha beach. they didn't opt out of responding to the moral call of dr. king. america is about sacrificing some bit for a common good. not that we're all perfect and saintly. thank god, it doesn't take saints. because the relative proportion

of sinners to saints in the population means that those of us who are sinners have a much bi bi bigger plurality. i think it makes a difference in the way you get your driver's license, in the way your kids are vaccinated anyway, and have been for generations. it's about caring about the other person. >> yeah. >> you should care about yourself, too, and so it has the benefit of being both self-interested and about your neighbor. but that is -- and i'm not playing mr. rogers here. i'm really not. it's a fundamental -- >> i don't see a red sweater, but go on. >> i have some tennis shoes. but it's the currency of democracy to see everybody else as a neighbor, and not as a reflexive adversary. and i think if anybody can make that case, it's president biden.

i think he believes it. it's part of his dna. in a way, with all respect to your good question, he's not on trial. the country is. >> right. >> the citizenry is. >> right. >> we were founded on this idea that we the people could be entrusted with government. we're not exactly proving that we're very good at that right now. >> listen, heroes and patriots did not opt out of going to war, and some paying the ultimate price. some of the folks who refused to go, and some who claimed bone spurs opted out. we have to keep that in mind. that's where that type of group, that's where the misinformation is coming from on this very subject that we're talking about. thank you, jon meacham. appreciate it. see you soon. what is it going to take to get president biden's agenda across the finish line? we'll ask jennifer granholm what he'll give up, and what he won't.

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senator joe manchin laying out a long list of demands as senate democrats push for his vote. manchin is making it clear that he won't cave on aggressive climate provisions, throwing a wrench in his party's plans. i want to get to energy secretary jennifer granholm. it's tough not to call you governor. good to see you. thank you for doing this. i appreciate it. like it or not, senator manchin is the key to passing the biden agenda. what is the president willing to compromise on, and what is off the table? >> let me just say, from my column of responsibility, which is energy, in particular clean energy, you know, west virginia is a state that would benefit enormously from the president's strategy. because there would be

investments flowing into west virginia to help transition that economy. particularly in west virginia, because they have a whole array of resources that could be used to help put people to work. but also power their grid with clean energy. you can provide incentives for the utilities to decarbonize the fossil industry. add technology that allows that industry to have zero carbon emissions, and expand. it's a big asset. i'm not going to negotiate, obviously, for chuck schumer or anything like that. but there's a huge amount in this series of bills that will be extremely beneficial to west virginia. some of which on the infrastructure side, manchin has negotiated himself. >> well, as i mentioned, cnn is learning that manchin is telling committee chairs that he won't cave on the climate provisions. what is the administration's

next move? can you tell us? >> i don't believe that this is a done deal. our teams are all negotiating very closely on what this could look like. for example, west virginia university just came out with a study that showed there will be almost 20,000 jobs created in clean energy in west virginia if these bills are passed. if the build back better agenda is passed. that's huge for west virginia. >> the last week or so, i've been worried about my family in louisiana, then they're calling worried about me with the storm, the damage it did to new york city. in my home state of louisiana, the death toll now up to 26. at least 52 more people in the northeast. they were killed from flooding days later. many of those same areas are under another storm watch tonight. and with the wildfires in the

west, with the evidence for the climate crisis all over the country right now, why is the president having to beg his own party to actually do something about it? >> well, honestly, people are seeing it everywhere. it is a code red for humanity. and the cost in human lives, the cost even in financial cost of cleaning up, is enormous. when you think about, we spent $160 billion cleaning up after hurricane katrina. just in texas this year, the weird freeze that happened earlier this year, that cost $130 billion to clean up after. so what are we going to do, continue to escalate these costs? we used to pay about $13 billion a year to clean up after extreme weather events in the '80s. so we do it now, pay to make

sure these places are resilient and we prevent the extreme impacts from climate change. but we can't just sit back and do nothing. it will continue to escalate. and people will miss the economic opportunity of addressing climate change, too. it's a $23 trillion global market by the end of this decade. $23 trillion from countries that want to buy products to reduce their co2 footprint. we've got to get in the game. and for states like west virginia, it's an opportunity. >> you talked about west virginia and what they could do. but you said it was a $23 trillion industry that we would be missing out on. president biden's infrastructure and spending bills are packed with funds to fight the climate crisis. tell me about your plans to rebuild in new ways, to deal with this growing threat.

>> well, for example, today the department of energy just released a report called the solar futures report. if we do this right, and if we pass these policies, solar power can help, which is of course totally clean, can be 40% of our energy mix by the year 2035. and create 1.5 million jobs as we do it. in fact, we know that the president's build back better agenda is going to create 2 million jobs per year. i think there's another study coming out showing how many millions of jobs will be created if we do this clean energy standard that the president wants. the opportunity for building products, building solar panels, the racks, the inverters, wind turbines, the blades, the

nacelles, the batteries for electric vehicles, the guts for those vehicles, the vehicles themselves, extracting heat from the ground using geothermal. the opportunities are huge. that's why we cannot miss it. from an economic point of view, from a planetary point of view, from a health point of view, it's imperative that we act. >> wow. you sound like the energy secretary with that enthusiasm. thank you, secretary granholm. >> i'm enthusiastic and determined. all right, thanks, don. >> thank you. the o zzarks, is anything changing amid a resurgent pandemic across the country? we'll take a look. icy hot. ice works fast. heat makes it last.

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president biden set to unveil a six-point plan tomorrow aimed at ending the covid pandemic. in many communities across the country, the vaccine is still a tough sell. tonight, ellie reed visits one town where there's a lot of skepticism and resistance. >> the spike is a little shocking. >> everybody is scared. everybody is coming down with it. it's almost like a plague. >> i had both shots of the vaccine. people just acted like it

doesn't help. >> it bothers me that people act like covid is a big joke. i said, come up to the cemetery, and see my husband's grave, it's no joke. >> reporter: it felt like covid was closing in around us. the positivity rate kept climbing, and is now 32%. some people said they had just been exposed or are too sick to talk. we first came here in 2020, when covid was starting to surge in rural america. we wanted to come back and see what had changed. by the end of the spring, many thought covid was over. but in the past few weeks, it's raged through town. the vaccination rate is very low, with only 27% fully vaccinated. >> the overwhelming majority of patients admitted to the hospital with clinically severe covid are unvaccinated. i didn't realize how

unvaccinated we were. i guess that is my fault. i didn't continue to push as hard as i should have to get people vaccinated. i thought everybody was, because the virus and disease was abating. but i was wrong. it came back like a brush fire. >> reporter: are you vaccinated? >> no. but i will be. i was pretty skeptical of it. until i've watched all this happen. >> reporter: jim's wife fought cancer for 12 years, but covid killed her in 8 days. when did your wife die? >> july 20th. i talked to her up until sunday, when she died. she said, this is bad. she said you all need the shot. and i think she's right. >> reporter: the debate over masks had gotten very political. >> we sit in the coffee shop, we

look at a mask, and we go, democrat. >> reporter: later that fall, there was a covid surge in the area. but the health center says this wave is much worse. in van buren, after just two days of school, about 20 kids tested positive. fi five days later, almost a qua quarter were under quarantine. the preschool had to close. >> the last story you did, i thought it was all bullshit myself. >> reporter: tell me why. >> i think people here try to take care of each other. they need to walk through the covid ward. that will change your mind. >> reporter: jim admits some people are pretty set in their views. >> a good friend of mine, everywhere he goes, he wears a mask. he's probably one of the best guys i know. you're not going to change anything about him.

maybe you ought to interview him. >> reporter: would he talk to us? >> yes, but you probably wouldn't like what he says. >> reporter: that's okay. >> let me get my phone. i'm surrounded. >> who are you surrounded by? >> a bunch of women. >> okay, i'll be right there. >> all right. they're going to interview you. >> oh, no, they ain't. >> oh, yeah. come on. >> can i sit down there by you? >> reporter: why do you not want the vaccine? >> i ain't taking it. i don't like people trying to push a shot on me. >> reporter: last fall, covid put him in the hospital for seven days. >> i was on everything they had. steroids, full drip. plasma from people that had covid. drugs that they gave my

president, trump, and they finally burned it out of me. >> reporter: what's the difference between that and the vaccine? why would you trust regeneron and not the vaccine? >> i don't know. you know, well -- the one thing is, they shafted my president. they would have had the vaccine, already had it, but they wouldn't give to him because they knew if he got reelected, there wasn't nothing nobody could do. so they had to keep it from him, just until the election was over. you shafted me out of my president, i ain't taking your medicine. not from -- i'll take what they give him, but i'm not taking yours. >> reporter: he took the vaccine, though. >> he might have.

i don't know that. >> i think they gave him the regeneron. >> reporter: they did give him that. but he did take the vaccine. >> that's what pissed me off. i'm not taking it, because i'm that bullheaded. >> reporter: there's no evidence for the theory, but he wasn't alone in his skepticism. have you thought about getting the vaccine? >> no way. >> reporter: how come? >> because i don't want to get sick. >> reporter: and you think the vaccine would make you more sick? >> probably. it made my mom sick. >> reporter: okay. you mean when she got the -- >> well, she got the vaccine in february. >> reporter: and she got sick with covid. is she going to get tested? >> probably not. she's just staying home. and i'm bringing her groceries. and doing whatever i can away from her. >> reporter: yeah. >> one of her friends tested positive and she had been with him. so more than likely.

>> i'm really behind right now. i was down for about a week and a half, being sick. i got it, i tell everybody, i have covid. >> reporter: did you have the vaccine? >> no. >> reporter: why not? >> there's not enough research on it. if i have to take it, and it's going to help me and not hurt me, i'll take it. >> reporter: are you vaccinated? >> i'm not. >> reporter: why not? >> i just haven't gotten vaccinated. >> reporter: okay. >> a lot of people around me have had it. i just never got vaccinated. around here, we're country folk. it's hard to get people to do something they don't understand completely or they don't feel the need to. >> reporter: but are you in that category? >> well, i guess. i dobelieve if the good lord was

me right now, it doesn't matter if i take a vaccine or not. people say you ought to get the shot. but that's just the way i look at things. >> i don't want to ever give anybody an excuse for doing something like not getting vaccinated. but the reasons do hearken to somebody who was told there's dumb hillbilly their whole life. it's not an excuse, but it's part of the reason. i don't know if we are opp oppressed, but we are a flyover state. in a social situation where peer pressure is so hard, we've had a lot of trouble to get people vaks vaccinated.

>> reporter: has anyone wanted to get vaccinated in secret? >> well, yeah. absolutely. >> reporter: tell me what they say. >> when they're in my office, and they say i don't want to get vaccinated and here's why, and if it's a specious reason, we say we can sneak one in your arm however we need to do it. >> reporter: the hospital said more people in van buren got the vaccine after two kids got sick earlier this summer. >> if i get it and it kills me, it's slow walking inside, singing for the family. >> reporter: what would you put on your tombstone? >> didn't wear a mask. >> reporter: he agreed to talk to us again and tell us what has happened since. >> no one feels like they can trust our government. it's not my fault no one is wearing a mask and taking the vaccine. it's the government's fault.

>> reporter: get the vaccine. ple did you get the vaccine? >> it doesn't matter whether i did or didn't. coronavirus doesn't care who you are, whether you think you're a big, tough guy or anything. it doesn't matter. if you get it, it can kill you. end of story. i don't want my wife to have to wonder when they put you in a medically induced coma, or stick a tube down your throat, is he going to come out of that? that's why i got a vaccine. >> reporter: elle reeve, cnn. >> elle, thank you. dr. jonathan reiner joins us. you heard brian reluctantly admit to getting the vaccine. he says that no one feels like

they can trust the government. and waylon feels like trump was shafted because officials kept the vaccine from him, knowing he would be reelected. is there any surprise where this vaccine hesitancy comes from? >> no. and i think we've missed the mark in so many ways in terms of educating the public, and allowing our vaccination program to be so politicized. from the very outset, we should have had a bipartisan, nonpartisan program where leaders from both sides of the aisle on the federal level, on the state and local levels, vigorously promote vaccines in their communities. so folks weren't just hearing it starting at the end of january from democrats. they were hearing it from both sides, a coordinated program to do this. and we didn't do that. so vaccines became a democratic

program, even though it was developed by the republican administration of donald trump. so -- and that just seeded mistrust amongst the people who already had mistrust of vaccines. so we have a big challenge. we have to get 25% more of the adult population to get v vaccinated. >> doctor, always a pleasure. thank you. >> my pleasure, don. robert f. kennedy's assassin could soon be out on parole. there's a big divide within the kennedy family over whether it should be granted. no canceling. flexible cancellation. kayak. search one and done.

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robert kennedy's assassin, sirhan sirhan, has been recommended for parole. and his widow is speaking out against it, saying he shouldn't have the opportunity to terrorize again. but others in the kennedy dynasty support sirhan's release. tom foreman has all the details. >> reporter: he should not have the opportunity to terrorize again, those words from 93-year-old ethel kennedy. saying he should not be paroled. she's talking about sirhan sirhan, who assassinated senator robert kennedy. >> obviously i was there. but i don't remember the exact moment. i don't remember pulling my gun out of my body, or wherever it was located. and i don't remember aiming at

any human being. i don't remember any of that. >> reporter: the palestinian born gunman has been denied release more than a dozen times. but now, the two-person california parole board wants him out from behind bars. creating a firestorm. in 1968, kennedy had just won california in his quest to become the democratic nominee for president. he was celebrating in los angeles when he passed through the kitchen and shots rang out. >> his condition, i don't know. his wife is with him. >> reporter: kennedy was mortally wounded. the gunman was grabbed. >> his name appears to be sirhan sirhan. >> reporter: he was convicted and sentenced to die. >> the reality of this whole thing hit me when i was on death

row. >> reporter: how many months later was that? >> maybe a year, two years. >> reporter: his sentence was commute to life behind bars, and seven of the kennedy children said he should stay there. saying he committed a crime against our nation including robert kennedy, jr., who has previously questioned sir han's guilt saying he believes his father would also favor release because of sirhan's impressive record of rehabilitation. governor gavin newsom will have the final word. he won't say how he is leaning. but -- >> the only photograph you will see on my office is a picture of bobby kennedy and my father just days before bobby kennedy was murdered. >> reporter: no word on when that decision will come. and this is a tricky spot for gavin newsom. not only is the governor facing a recall election, but he's presented himself as a criminal justice reformer who has

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