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the u.s. capitol police delivered a security briefing to a senior house republican today where they discussed security preparations for the rally planned for september 18th in support of those arrested during the january 6th insurrection. the briefing was delivered to congressman rodney davis. a similar briefing had already been given to a senior house democrat. all this as d.c. police officer michael fanone returned to work in what the department said was limited duty. officer fanone, you'll remember, was zapped with a taser, beaten in the head, called congressmen who downplayed the riots both gis graceful and disgusting. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> i appreciate it, coop.

welcome to the covid command center. good for president biden for saying today what the majority of the reasonable people in this country on the right and left from north to south, east to west, rich and poor, what has been said all along. enough is enough. nine months the majority has enco encouraged, incentivized, paid, pleaded, pacified a minority in this country to get vaccinated. we are the only country that has willfully ignored the availability of a vaccine to protect itself this egregiously. think about that. from first to worst. why? the reality? too many too often for bad reason refused to keep themselves and others safe. is that their choice? yes.

but mandates like this are controversial, right? why? we don't like the government telling us what to do. but of course it does, right? you wear a seat belt, right? you can't blow smoke in my face in enclosed places anymore, right? you can't drink and drive, right? too much of the controversy here is just oppositional animus, not about good policy, and certainly not about science. the majority cannot have their freedoms infringed upon by those who refuse to do what is right. yes, you have the right not to take the vaccine. that is your choice. but that doesn't mean the choice comes with no consequences. and today joe biden said something that i'm telling you will echo all over this country. enough is enough. >> a distinct minority of americans supported by a

distinct minority of elected officials are keeping us from turning the corner. we cannot allow these actions to stand in the way of protecting the large majority of americans who've done their part. this is not about freedom or personal choice. it's about protecting yourself and those around you. my message to unvaccinated americans is this. what more is there to wait for? what more do you need to see? we've been patient, but our patience is wearing thin, and your refusal has cost all of us. >> he is right. 75% of adults have one dose. that's impressive. and yet what's the reality? the pandemic continues, perpetuated by those who unreasonably resist. some 80 million who remain unvaccinated in america and are eligible to be vaccinated.

so now there will be a consequence for their recalcitrance. biden laid out aggressive new mandates and requirements that could apply to as many as 100 million americans. here are some of the biggest headlines. thecht made order yet, by the way, so we've got to see this. but these are the headlines from the president. mandatory vaccines for approximately 4 million in the federal work force and millions of contractors that do business with the federal government. no option of being regularly tested to opt out. same goes for the 17 million or so health care workers at facilities that receive certain federal funding and about 300,000 educators in programs like head start. businesses with more than 100 workers must ensure their employees are vaccinated or tested weekly or face fines. his new plan also includes expansion of free testing and test production and he's directed the tsa, this is an interesting part. okay? don't get caught in the babble.

the tsa to double fines for travelers who refuse to mask up. now, here's a question you're going to hear. why didn't the president mandate domestic flyers, travelers be vaccinated through the faa? that may still come if people don't do the right thing. remember, a month ago what he did today seemed highly unlikely. they didn't want to have to do mandates. that's going to be the spin, this is what they always wanted. if this is what he always wanted, he would have done it months ago. because people have been asking for a passport, to show digitally something that is all over this country that shows that people aren't faking the vaccination, and that he had to do more. for months they've been saying that to him. so that argument just fails. now, the resistance says this is unconstitutional. now, have we seen an order this broad before on a vaccine out of the government? no. are there strong precedents for vaccines being a must in

situations? yes. but we will see how the order is drafted and then there will be legitimate litigation that unfolds. i think that's a given. but we can already see a really grotesque double standard at play with the pushback to this idea. and the absurdity of the pushback deserves a brushback. so let me get this right from the right. insisting that doing what science overwhelmingly shows protects a person and those around them from a deadly virus is wrong, though it defies no existing law that deals with the subject. basically why? because a person has the right to choose what to put in their body. that's their personal freedom. but you only believe that with the vaccine. because you are all fine ignoring existing constitutional law to prohibit a woman from

having the right to control her own body. you practically ban access to reproductive rights in texas in defiance of the standard set out by science and law. governor abbott from texas says what biden is doing is a power grab. governor abbott says it is okay to use his power to force a woman to stay pregnant after being raped. and when asked why is that okay, he says, well, rape is a crime and i'm going to arrest rapists. that's not a power grab? you're going to arrest rapists? so it's okay that a rapist can rape, make someone pregnant and they have to deal with it? that's not a power grab by you. under your law, a rapist can sue a woman who wants to end the

pregnancy forced on them by the rapist. the rapist can sue under your law. but someone can't be told they have to take the vaccine to work for the federal government. that's a power grab. are you serious? your resistance is not about science, it's not about law, and it sure as hell isn't about freedom. it's about animus and advantage. where is the shame in holding such conflicting positions? now, look, we may see the law on reproductive rights changed in this country. that may happen. but right now abbott and those in favor of the texas law are flagrantly, willfully and wantonly violating what is constitutional law right now, and they know it and they're doing it on purpose. so you have no high ground in

arguing what is constitutional. still worse, you are playing politics to protect life in one case that you say is fine, while arguing a point that costs us lives with this anti-vaxxer irrationality. your insistence on resistance is making us sick. and now it is making the people we care about most, our kids, sicker than ever. and at the worst time. kids are going back to school. and this mask madness, these vax gaps, they're creating more cases in kids than ever. biden solved this problem also. and the president had a message for us parents. >> the safest thing for your child 12 and older is to get them vaccinated. they get vaccinated for a lot of things. the best way for a parent to protect their child under the

age of 12 starts at home. every parent, every teen sibling, every caregiver around them should be vaccinated. >> do you know why? because enough is enough. and we cannot have a tyranny of a minority in this country. it is literally making us sick. if there were to be a freedom argument to be had, it would have to redound on the side of the majority. we cannot live our lives the way we want to because of a discrete minority that is insistent on keeping us sick. and so biden said, what this country needs -- not just to hear because we already know it -- but to act on it. his words certainly echoed across the country all the way to california where just tonight the nation's second largest school district, the los angeles unified school board, just voted to mandate covid vaccines for

all students 12 and older going into school by the end of the calendar year in december. there are some exceptions. teachers and staff already have to be vaccinated. so now the question is will this start a trend of cities nationwide insisting that people be safe? have we finally said enough is enough? and this will lead to moves that finally gets us to the other side of sickness. let's discuss with two better minds, dr. leana wen former baltimore city health commissioner. and dr. zeke emanuel who advised then president-elect biden on covid during the transition. zeke, let me start with you because you knew where biden's head was on this during the transition and he was slow on mandates. he didn't even want to talk about them six or seven months ago. what do you think about what he said today? >> well, i liked that he mandated large employers with more than 100 workers have to

get their employees vaccinated or tested or face a very stiff fine. i've been calling for a mandate for health care workers since april 14th. and i like the fact that he's mandated head start teachers to actually get vaccinated too. there's more mandates i wish he would have given. i think he should have incentivized states so that states that mandated kids 12 to 17 get the vaccine get some bonus so that we could get all kids in middle school and in high school vaccinated, and as you mentioned, i think mandating vaccines for air travel, train travel or interstate bus travel would also be important. remember, last year we had this huge surge around thanksgiving and christmas because of all the travel. we really have to start now to get people vaccinated to prevent the surge around thanksgiving travel and then christmas travel.

so i would have liked to have seen an expanded mandate. i think we've waited too long already. >> well, but you can't let perfection be the enemy of progress. just because he hasn't done it yet doesn't mean he won't. because, again, a couple months ago we couldn't even talk about mandates. they would be like, no, no, no, let's see what's happening. now, leana, in terms of pushback, one of the things i want to see them do is you have to have a national passport. if you don't have a centralized system of who has the vaccine, we know how many fugazi vaccine cards people are carrying around already. you have to have a standardized system. but the pushback is going to be, leana, you're asking for an un-american thing. you are going to force me to put something in my body if i don't want to and that's un-american. what do you say? >> i say that we need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated, that you have the option to not get vaccinated if you want, but then you can't go out in public. because when you go out in

public, you have the potential of infecting other people with a potentially deadly disease. just like you can choose to drink in private if you want, but if you get behind the wheel of a car and can endanger other people, there is an obligation by society to prevent you from doing that. i think what president biden did today is exactly right to say that the vaccinated should not have to pay the price for the so-called choices of the unvaccinated anymore, although to your point, chris, i definitely wish that he had also announced some type of proof of vaccination. because at this point, we have this flimsy piece of paper that's so easy to counterfeit. we don't allow this to board an airplane. you don't go to a tsa checkpoint and say, i am who i say i am. here's a piece of paper where i wrote my name. we have i.d. for a reason. >> some states are doing it, new york is doing it, but you're right, we need a national system for these kinds of policies to take hold. i have one more quick question for each of you. first quick question for you,

zeke, is people will say hey, you know, now if you're vaccinated or not people are getting sick at the same rate because i hear about vaccinated people getting sick all the time, so it doesn't matter, i shouldn't be forced to take it. your answer? >> it's not the same rate. you're not getting sick at the same rate. those people who are vaccinated are getting sicker less frequently, and more importantly, they're getting less sick. they're having mild or asymptomatic cases. they're rarely ending up in the hospital and very, very rarely dying whereas the unvaccinated much more likely to end up in the hospital. and you look at states that have low vaccination rates. they have children end up in the hospital at four times the rate in those states because there is so much virus floating around, so much easier for them to get sick. so not only does vaccination protect you, it protects the people around you, and especially children. if you care about children, you ought to be vaccinated. >> leana, one last thing because you worked in baltimore city on

the law and policy side of putting health practices in. the idea that we've never seen a vaccine mandate this broad before, through osha or through any government body, it's too broad, it overreaches. >> i don't think it goes far enough. i actually think that what zeke said about interstate travel was exactly right, but in this case we have childhood immunizations that we don't even think about. all 50 states have laws on the books to require routine childhood immunizations which we really should be looking at the covid vac scine the same way. when it comes to employers, i think what the biden administration did was quite brilliant because it gives air cover for businesses that have wanted to do this, that have wanted to put vaccine mandates in place, but they didn't want to have their employees complain about them. now they can say, hey, we didn't really want to do this, but the administration, the federal government, is making us do it. it also helps to level the playing field so that people aren't then going to threaten to go to another workplace if every workplace has that same

requirement. that's a good thing. i don't think this is overreach. i think this is what's needed in the middle of a pandemic, and i think the biden administration, if anything, could have gone even further. >> let's see what happens next. dr. zeke emanuel, dr. leana wen. thank you both. good to see you both. stay healthy. >> thank you, chris. >> absolutely. >> objectively, politically, this was a good night for biden, and he needed it. because you know, there's a disconnect in this country. what's said in the media, what's said by the political insiders, too many of you are always like why are they saying that? what's going on? you don't connect to this insider dialogue. and you've been saying enough is enough for a long time. and you heard the president say it tonight. what will that mean for his numbers? because right now the polls are not at the top. they are at the bottom for him personally. will this matter? let's bring in the wiz. he's got a look at the numbers, where the softness is, and what this might mean and the popularity for these moves.

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when you sit down with pollsters, they break their analysis into two parts, qualitative and quantitative. the qualitative on biden would look something like this. afghanistan resonated negatively, it's a mixed bag but it certainly juiced up his critics. but him now having the white house work with the veterans' groups that may balance it out but regardless the priority themes for people are going to be the pocketbook. and that's going to be the economy as a coefficient of covid. now, the quantitative will be what are the numbers that suggest the same? biden came out today to push the pandemic plan to say enough is enough and he needed to do it. his approval numbers are dropping specifically because of covid and concerns related to

the economy. will this change those concerns? harry enten, the wizard of odds, with a look at the numbers. what do you see in the approval? >> what i see is if you look right now at the coronavirus and you say is biden doing a good job communicating a clear plan, what do we see? we see that number has been dropping from june at 51, july at 48, late august at 40. more americans now say he has not been communicating a clear plan. and i think that is directly correlated with why his overall approval rating is dropping. yes afghanistan is part of that. but when you see americans over and over and over again say that the most important problem facing the country is the coronavirus and you're not articulating a clean plan in their mind, you clearly have to go out and speak to the american people like biden did this afternoon. >> a few months ago, mandates were a no-go zone. now he went there tonight, enough is enough, here's what we're going to do, a couple steps down that road.

what are we seeing in the numbers about the susceptibility or enthusiasm for americans today? >> i think it's a good political move, and it's a good political move for a very clear reason. that is number one you can see the majority of americans favor the idea of employer vaccination requirements. but remember, there are more americans who are vaccinated than unvaccinated. the unvaccinated are the vast minority. so what you see is the vaccinated clearly -- a clear majority want these vaccine mandates. and he is not playing necessarily so much to the unvaccinated. yes, he wants them to become vaccinated, but he's telling the vaccinated folks who are right now personally just pissed off that i am by you, i am by your side and we're going to get these unvaccinated people vaccinated come heck or high water. >> let's take a look at the susceptibility here to this idea with both employers and employees. >> sure. when it comes to employers, what have we been seeing? a high percentage of them are saying, in fact, we are going to

require you to be vaccinated. look at that. in may it was just 5%. now in august it's all the way up to 19% long before the biden announcement even came in. here's the thing we know from the numbers, that these mandates do, in fact, work. they do get more people to get vaccinated who are unvaccinated. we can see this through both delta and united. what united did, they basically said you're going to have to go get a vaccination. delta said essentially, you know what, we're going to fine you if you do not, in fact, get your vaccination. what we've seen with united is over 50%, over 50% of their employees who are unvaccinated previously are now in fact vaccinated once that vaccine mandate went into effect. and with delta, 20% of those unvaccinated employees are now getting vaccinated. they don't have the straight vaccination mandate but still getting 20%. that's still a significant chunk and united over 50%, that's a great chunk. >> so that's on the employer side. and the employee side, you believe there will be tacit

acceptance? >> i believe looking at the numbers that look, not every single employee's going to get vaccinated no matter what. there are some people out there that are just not going to get vaccinated -- >> some can't. some are immunocompromised, some have other exceptions, but the majority is resistance as a function of political insistence. >> that's right, it's resistance as a function of politics for most of them. and what the numbers say is a good chunk of them will in fact go out there and get vaccinated if there's an employer mandate put into effect. and i will honestly say looking at all of the numbers that are out there, that employee mandates are the best way to get the unvaccinated vaccinated and that's why i think you saw biden come out today and argue for just that. >> look, you always know you're in a good place as a leader when you are matching the mood of the country. and we are in the enough is enough, especially with our kids going back to school and all these cases popping up, we know why it is. we know why it is. harry enten, thank you very much. appreciate you, wiz. >> thank you, sir. >> so now about the

reverberation of the president's message. we go to los angeles. the first major school district to mandate students 12 and older get vaccinated. remember, you can't mandate it, probably, legally any earlier than that because the fda hasn't approved the drug for them. and even if they do, and it's as an emergency use authorization, that's soft ground legally also. but the fda has approved it for 12 and up, so they mandated it in order for them to go into school. what will this do in terms of the rest of the education world's approach to preventing outbreaks? you have the can you and you have the should you. we have the interim head of l.a. dining including takeout from chase freedom unlimited, you're always earning! then this is officially a takeout week. that's a good choice, rita. bon appetit. earn 3% on dining including takeout, and so much more. chase. make more of whats yours.

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do, but when you don't, especially where kids are involved, somebody has got to do something. and the president said it tonight and now we're seeing it reverberate across the country. the nation's second largest school district in california just made the covid vaccine mandatory for all students 12 and older. that is the los angeles unified school district. they voted just tonight that all eligible students must be fully vaccinated. megan reilly is the interim superintendent and joins us now. thank you. >> good evening, chris. it's nice to see you. >> so let's break this into two parts. one, can you do this? >> everything that we have looked at says that we can do this. we're protecting -- our goal is to keep kids as safe as possible and to preserve the best quality education, which we know is being in school and not online. >> what was the biggest resistance?

>> i think the biggest resistance would be just looking at all the science and understanding and weighing the options. we know there is hesitancy out there and people have concerns about it, and so again, making sure the science was very sound and just overwhelmingly compelling on doing this as the right move. >> so from can to should. what pushed you from -- i know this is uncomfortable, it's controversial -- not this interview, i hope. but the idea of doing this kind of policy. but what pushed you over the line of believing you had to do it? >> i think there are several things. one is the data coming out about the delta variant. we know it's highly transmissible. and it's been overwhelmingly obvious that in the past 18 months when we saw our schools were closed for a majority of time that kids did not thrive in that environment and they didn't learn as much as they should

have, and again, looking at what we've learned from that period of time and having tools like masking, vaccines, all of the ventilation issues, we used a multi-layered approach to create the safest possible controlled environment in schools so we can keep kids safe while they learn in the best environment possible. i think it's the thread of delta and the information and frankly the science that's been collected around the delta variant and its transmissibility and the fact that it is affecting kids. because it is so transmissible. we worked with ucla. we worked with stanford and johns hopkins and a whole steering committee of health experts. and we've been watching this since it started. >> 62% of campuses have an active case, even with a lot of mitigation efforts and testing that you've been doing. and that's between august 15th and august 29th. 5,200 cases were reported among students. 729 among staff. 47% of the school outbreaks are

associated with sports. so you're going to start with that. what has been -- what happens if you don't get vaccinated? >> we're giving kind of like a timeline that says that people -- kids -- students should get vaccinated. you mentioned sports. that's one of the first things, those that are involved in extracurricular activity, the data you just cited, those that are playing sports and doing athletics and more things are more susceptible and there is more case outbreak from that, so we're asking that they get vaccinated in the october time frame. the other students 12 and older, we're asking they get vaccinated their first and second shot from pfizer in the november to december time frame and using winter break for that vaccine to be taken into effect, and by january 10th, we're asking that everyone be fully vaccinated. we've already put in place an employee mandate, so all of our employees need to be vaccinated by october 15th.

this way we create the safest possible environment for those eligible to be vaccinated to learn, and frankly then we create a safer environment for those children zero -- you know, to 12 years old that can't get vaccinated, that they're safer being surrounded by adults and others that are vaccinated. >> and if you don't get vaccinated, will you have the option of at-home schooling? >> we have an independent study program in california that's the option, so there is an educational option. i have to say i don't think it's as viable or kind of like as rich a program that you would have when you come back to class. >> megan reilly, thank you very much. this is a big move for the school districts. it's going to reverberate around the country. thank you for joining us to discuss it tonight. >> thank you, chris, for giving us the time to talk about this. okay. now, we want to talk about constitutionality. a scheme to nullify the constitution. that's what the united states attorney general calls the new law in texas that bans almost

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supreme court justice stephen breyer just broke convention tonight. he spoke out publicly about how the high court handled the texas abortion case, or really refused to handle it. watch. >> i thought the last decision you mentioned was very, very, very wrong. i'll add one more very. and i wrote a dissent. and that's the way it works. but it's a procedural matter, so we'll see what happens in that

area when we get a substantive matter in front of us. >> now -- and that is the hedge for the supreme court. right? not breyer, he was being very candid there. but the 5-4 vote from the scotus allowed texas's effective abortion ban to remain in the books because there isn't a ripe instance. now, a substantive matter before the court may be headed their way sooner rather than later. that's because the justice department just sued the state of texas today. the lawsuit asks a federal judge to block the near total abortion ban from being enforced on the grounds that it's unconstitutional. why? because it violates the supremacy clause, right? which is that the constitution comes first, federal law comes before state law. and the constitution leads all and a supreme court case is constitutional law. and the supreme court precedent here is roe v. wade, meaning you should not disrupt that, and that's what texas just did. nancy northam is the president

of the center for reproductive rights. it's good to have you on "prime time." i'm going to jump the conversation a little bit because a first-week law student would know that a state that puts together a law that violates existing constitutional precedent has a problem. but here's your problem, is that they may take this case and they may be looking to change precedent. america is going to be woken up to how meaningless stare decisis is here because justices can change it whenever they want to. how worried are you? >> well, i have to start by saying i'm actually quite elated that the department of justice sued texas today. i mean, this is a game changer. it has never before happened before that the united states government has sued a state over an abortion restriction. so let's start with that. to your question about the precedent of roe versus wade and how secure is it in the supreme court, well, they have taken a case. it's our case from mississippi --

>> the dobbs case. >> which asked that question. so that will be coming before the court this fall. >> so the dobbs case in mississippi is about a 15-week benchmark. the texas law is a six-week benchmark and then this civil authority for people to sue, basically they become the executors of law. which one do you think is a bigger problem? >> they're both an enormous problem. they're both clear violations of the constitution. as the department of justice's lawsuit made clear today, there has been an unbroken line of supreme court cases that have said that previability, the government cannot take the decision away from a person about ending a pregnancy. so that unbroken line of cases goes back 48 years now, and the precedent is very strong. there is only one -- justice breyer said it. what the court did last week was very, very, very wrong in

letting the six-week ban stand. >> they basically said they didn't have a real claim in front of them yet, but they will. the question then becomes what seems likely here? look, the 5-4 thing is scary to people like you because these judges showed a real openness to this situation that we haven't seen. and yet roe v. wade has been dinged up before. the casey case and others, while refining the standard, they've had notification principles and things like that that have taken away a little bit of the right of a woman to have complete control over this process. how concerned are you that there will be further erosion with this court? >> well, of course we're concerned. and our brief is going to be filed in the supreme court tomorrow, i think, or next monday. but here's the thing. we are in such an unprecedented time to have had the department of justice come in today, and we're talking about the politics and what the court can do, but meanwhile, on the ground in texas, it's now been nine days that 85%, 90% of patients are being turned away. some are leaving the state.

we hear from our clinics in new mexico that they are waiting because of people coming in from texas, and also impacting people who cannot leave the state, people of low income, people of color, people who are undocumented immigrants. and so yes to come is the battle in the supreme court but right now our eyes are on getting this injunction in place in texas so that services can be provided again. and that's where the department of justice coming in today is just enornls. enormous. >> do you think it helps you get an injunction? >> absolutely. right now because of the supreme court's action last week we are stuck in our case in the fifth circuit on a non-expedited basis. the department of justice coming in i assume quite shortly they'll be seeking an injunction and it is put before the same district court that our case is in as a related case. so i think they have a very -- it's a very strong complaint. it makes it clear that both the supremacy clause of the

constitution allows the department of justice to sue, and that this is a clear violation of roe versus wade. and so i think it does increase dramatically the chances of having an injunction. and you know, so to have this response from the department of justice when people are still hurting on the ground, the vice president met with providers in tech texas today to hear how dire the situation is on the ground. so this is a whole new day in the attention and focus and force of trying to get texas back in line with the constitution and to be able to restore the rights to the people of texas. >> look, it's all coming to a head and it's going to be a seminal moment that really shines a light on exactly where we are with women's rights and the equality of the same in our society today. nancy northup, thank you for the very smart take. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> all right. some good news on the afghanistan front. i know this is touchy politically. it really shouldn't be. okay? everybody should want to get americans and their allies out of afghanistan.

and today more of them were able to get out. and a big reason why is that the white house has now approved a partnership with the digital dunkirk folks. this amazing network, i've never seen anything like it, of veterans and ngos and their allies, people here, people there. trying to do the right thing. it's not left or right. it's just doing what's right. we've been closely following those missions. we have a guest ahead who's with one of the groups working with the government and on the ground. how big a deal is today? what will it mean and when? next. with directv stream, i can get live tv and on demand... together. watch: serena williams... wonder woman. serena... wonder woman... serena... wonder woman... ♪ ♪ ace. advantage! you cannot be serious! ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream with no annual contract.

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were actually on the plane. meanwhile, the biden administration is onboard with a plan for the state department to run lead on all the groups behind this digital dunkirk we've been talking about. this massive volunteer effort to evacuate at-risk u.s. citizens and afghan allies who were left behind after u.s. and nato troops withdrew. i've never seen anything like it. and i think it's beautiful. and i don't think that's a left or right statement. i think it's just doing what's right. now, this effort includes groups like task force pineapple led by former green beret retired lieutenant colonel scott mann. we welcome him to prime time. >> i'm doing well. now, what i like is that you are doing better. how big a deal was it today that the white house finally said we are going to put our arms around you guys? >> well, look. i mean, first of all, i really like the statement that you made that this is absolutely not a

left thing, it's not a right thing. it really is, it's the right thing. it's honoring a promise. you know, and you know that extremely well and what i love about it, too, is that it's our combat veterans that really stepped up and showed us what that looks like and they continue to do that. i think if this -- if this goes forward and we do get that -- that closer connection to the state department with this citizen liaison network. i -- i think it could be -- i think it could be potentially really powerful. we will wait to see. i hope -- i hope that happens. >> so you guys met with them and basically said, look, we're doing all the work. we are doing the logistics. we're raising the money. we are doing over land. we are getting people to airports, and then you aren't letting us fly out. and you are not letting us arrange third-party transfer so that you can do whatever vetting you want to do with these people. do they have an answer for that? >> well, i mean, not to the degree that i would like to see. i think -- i think -- i think there's still some more questions that need to be answered there because the -- we're doing the work, like you said. and we're ready to go right now. we are ready to play that responsible role as a citizen liaison network. we know who these people are.

we know where they are and they trust us to move 'em and to help 'em move and that's something, whether that's in safe passage, chris, or whether that is in resettlement or reintegration. you know, we've had those relationships for years and years and years. and we know how to play that role responsibly. and i still think we have some work to do to get there. i think we can but we are really just waiting to see how the state department plays with that. but we really hope they do. >> how many people do you have waiting that could get out if you get word of somewhere to bring 'em? >> you know, the -- there are a range of groups. i mean, pineapple is ours. but all of these -- these nicknamed groups that are veterans groups, they -- it's in the thousands. i mean, i don't want to get superspecific on it but it's in the thousands. >> by the way, this is just one conversation. colonel, you can come on whenever you have news to report about who you are getting out, who helped and who didn't. you have this platform. i don't care whether it's popular or not. it's the right thing to do. the big pushback is you don't know who you are even putting on these planes. could be isis-k coming here to

kill us and all these people should have gotten out, already. they had plenty of time. what do you say? >> i say that you are talking about combat veterans, green berets, navy s.e.a.l.s. and marines who have worked with these people in combat. they have fought with them. they have bled with them. they know their hearts better than anybody, and they know exactly who these people are. >> and the idea that these people all should have got out already? >> absolutely. but, you know, what i love about the way our veterans are doing it is rather than getting angry, they are just getting to work and that's what i think we can all take a lesson from. >> lieutenant colonel scott mann, i am telling ya, i ever never seen anything like this before. and i get that it's got the stink of politics all over it. i wish the politicians stayed out of it and just helped you guys and the funding and the resources to do the job but as an american, i appreciate you, once again, for your service. be well and again, you got an ear here whenever you need it. >> thank you, sir. >> god bless and be well. all right. we will be right back with some big news about "the handoff." next.

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