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tonight, president biden's message to the republican governors criticizing his sweeping new vaccine mandates and threatening to sue to block them, and i quote "have at it". and as the delta variant spreads like wildfire, especially across the south, tonight big developments on mask mandates in schools in two states where the virus is surging. plus california's recall election hasn't even happened

yet and right wing media is already spreading lies about the democratic governor's potential to beat back the recall. also ahead, my interview with a professor and commentator on race telling me what he got wrong about the state of race in america after living through the trump era. you don't want to miss that interview. i want to bring in susan glasser, national correspondent for the "washington post" philip bump. good to see you both. thank you so much. one day i will see you in person in studio, hopefully soon. and the reason why i haven't seen you is because of this. so, susan, president biden has a message for the republican governors looking to challenge his new vaccine mandates. as i said, it's have at it. the truth is they are not willing to align with the best interests of the public health. they are making a base play gambling with lives. so what other choice did he have? >> it's interesting. it took him a few months to get there but i think what you are seeing is biden and the white

house responding to the growing pressure really from their own base. we spent four years talking about trump and his base. biden has a base, too. and i think it is the majority of the gun, adults who have gotten vaccinate who have become more and more frustrated with the idea that we are being held hostage in effect to the politics to a resisting minority of people. it is interesting. i think for once we should be talking about the biden base and not always about the trump base. that's really what this is about. >> can you please say that again. i have been saying that forever. susan, one of the smartest people i know, susan glasser. no sleight to you, phillip. but don't you think that's a point. biden hasn't realized, democrats as well, that people -- maybe they should be leaning in more for what the folks who support him want. >> yeah. i think that's generally true. it certainly is the case that

there is a lot of frustration. bear in mont, more than half of republicans received at least one dose of the vaccine. it is the case that most of the people who are not vaccinated are republicans, according to kaiser family foundation polling. there is this overlap of politics and vaccinations that is hard to prove through the numbers, but also hard to i ignore. it is also clearly the case that republicans are less likely to get vaccinated, that this outbreak is occurring much more dramatically in less vaccinated places. part of the challenge is that when joe biden twists the arms of the unvaccinated he twists the arms mostly of people who are republicans. i think that's part of the challenge. >> you say, and i quote here, when biden announced this plan. you say that this war over his vaccine push is mostly a contest for the approval of a vocal minority. >> yeah. exactly. there has been all this rhetoric about how this is the start of a civil war. that's because you know we have all of these people, there is this element of the right, which is very much used to having this

contest to see who can be the loudest and most extreme voice, get the most viewers on fox news, get the most retweets on twirtsz. there is this effort to be the most outrageous person. that leads to rhetoric about civil war and nonsense which is incurrily overheated and fails to recognize the realities on the ground which is that the mandate isn't so much a mandate than it is telling businesses either you have to have employees vaccinated or have them tests. >> one more question, do they think that's really the best strategy, that's what's best for their political interests, is to kill countless americans? >> it's a real good question. i think that the answer is that there appears to be actually sufficient insulation for people like chrissy gnome in south dakota, the governor there, who had this massive outbreak, they had tons of people die relative to the state's population and who has not paid any apparent

political price f. the base continues to be loud and active and support these people who make these calls, apparently yes. >> susan, tomorrow marks 20 years since 9/11. where do you feel about where we are heading two decades after this horrific date that changed this country forever? >> you know, don, it does feel like an inflection point. the symmetry, if you will, the coming full circle from the taliban being back in control of kabul two decades later. it's something that -- you know, it's a moment where it feels like we are -- we are understanding that this is a different global time. that this is a moment where american hubris and overreach which perhaps at least for now killed off our sense of you know american exceptionalism, this idea that we were different and unique, that we operated in a way somehow outside of the laws of history. i feel like this is a moment of sort of looking in the mirror and saying, you know, that's not any more the u.s. and it's a humbling moment,

really, for the country in a lot of ways. >> are you surprised at where we are two decades later, susan? >> i would have to say that anybody, you know, who didn't tell that you on september 11, 2001, if you told them they would still be leaving afghanistan 20 years later, you know, yes, of course you would be surprised, in a the taliban, after a u.s. war to topple them, would be back in power, and that we ourselves would be tied up in knots over our own democracy internally -- yeah, that's a pretty shock turn of events. it really is, don. >> philip i am going to give you the final word on this. here we are, two decades later. and if we could put the tribute and light up as philip gives us his final thoughts here. >> i just say -- the one thing i would add is i look today actually at where the deaths occurred of service members who

served in afghanistan. it covers every state in the united states, the territories, puerto rico. the aftermath also touched all of america very directly. i think it is worth remembering that, too. >> thank you both. i really appreciate it. you guys have a good weekend. tonight, two big developments on mask mandates in schools. a state appeals court in florida upholding the governor's ban on schools requiring kids to wear masks n. kentucky, the schools can now decide if they want mask mandates or not. the governor wanted all students to mask up. but state lawmakers blocked him. important to note that covid is surging in florida, kentucky, and across most of the south. i want to bring in an infectious disease epidemiologist. thank you for joining us. i appreciate night thanks for having me on, don. >> the virus is spreading like wildfire across much of the country right now and rulings like these make it harder to put into practice measures that

work. as a doctor, are niece decisions holding back our ability to fight this pandemic? >> absolutely. we know masks work. if we are looking at multiple different studies that have proved it in the real world we are showing that masks are the most basic interventions that we can apply in this pandemic to curb this highly contagious pandemic disease. in schools right now -- as a parent myself no one want to see a child getting infected let alone being hospitalized. we are seeing a record number of pediatric cases. over the last week, 200,000 pediatric infections, and a high number of hospitalizations. we can prevent a lot of cases just by putting a mask on. >> -- to say do no harm but that that doesn't apply to politicians? >> absolutely not. politicians have been playing with science as a political football since the beginning of this pandemic because the people

affected are all of us. it's risking everybody's lives. very, very unfortunate. and we need to make sure science continues to lead the way. it shunts be politics. it shunt be knee jerk reactions. it should be science, evidence based to keep everyone safe. >> everyone wants to see kids back in school. what about kids under 12 who are not yet eligible for vaccines? how concerned about these kids attending school without masks? >> i am very concerned. some states have high levels of community transmission. what you see is when there is high levels of transmission in the states, it is reflected in the number of pediatric cases. what it means, higher number of transmissions, lower vaccination rates, and more are getting infected. adults can get vaccinated and build a bubble around the children and keep them safe. we are not seeing it in these

estates. >> doctors said the best way to keep kids in school, keep them safe is to wear masks. if a lot of kids return to school in these hot zones without masks how bad do you see this fete getting? >> as we look at where we are, we are seeing a record number of infections per day. if we are looking at comparing from last year, september 10th of 2020, we are at four times that right now. so going into obviously schools opening with fall and winter, holiday season, we are going to continue to see a high number of case. i think right now certainly we are seeing a general decline in cases. but that may change on a dime. so we just need to make sure that we are following the science. we are following this public health measures. you know, with the pediatric population, i think all of us certainly are waiting for the pediatric vaccine to be made available. but it is not going to be made available any time soon. so we need to do everything we can to protect these children and have that bubble around

them. >> i think what a lot of people don't get, especially the critics of the masks and other forms of protecting ourselves against this virus is that it was called a novel coronavirus because it was new and we were learning new things about it and earn willing about the science to protect and keep the virus from spreading. science changes as we get more data. could the communication from officials have been better? >> absolutely. i think the science communication and the risk communication certainly has been muddled. since, you know, the beginning of this pandemic, we are 18 months in now. and i think as you have stated as science changes, you know, that's -- we learn more. it's not that science has lied. it's because we learned more and that's why we are changing any public health guidances or reinstating mask mandates because we are seeing higher numbers of cases. as we look at science and the evolution of science it is hard for just a general physician to

understand that. that's why we need to have good science communication. that hasn't been happening. at many levels i think we are doing a better job but i think we need to continuously educate the general public. we need to continue to reinforce some of these measures that work. and we need to continue to ensure that everybody understands we are still in the throes of a raging pandemic and that we can get out of it, hopefully soon, but we just need everybody's support. i think with the biden administration's new sweeping mandates that certainly will help. those are more short-term solutions, we need to also look for long term solutions. >> doctor we love having you, you always give great information. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me on. night after night we are knocking down misinformation about covid and vaccines, vaccinations. tonight a fact check about a false claim about air force pilots that went viral, viewed over a million times on twitter. >> my dad just let me know this a. text message went out last night from the secretary of

defense to all the active military personnel saying, you know, by 10:00 a.m., you have to go get the magic position or you are going to be court-martialled. as a result of that, 12 f-22 pilots, the most highly trained pilots in the world, walked off the job. >> okay. how often do we hear something like that? people actually think it's real, right? cnn's fact checker in chief daniel dale is here. o okay. da daniel, good evening. the man in the video says there was a text saying they needed to get vaccinations by 10:00 a.m. and that pilots are resigning en masse. what's the truth. >> none of that is true. there was no mass text to the military about vaccinations from the secretary of defense. in fact a pentagon spokesman

told me today on the record that the secretary of defense has never sent a force-wide text message about literally anything. that didn't happen. there was no mass pilot resignation. the two military base where is this supposedly happened both denied it on the record strenuously. the air force and the pentagon both say they haven't heard anything like that. and it just doesn't make any sense. the air force has publicly set a deadline of november 2nd for active duty personnel to be vaccinated. it makes no sense that there would be a text demanding people get it by 10:00 a.m. the next day or face punishment. completely imaginary. >> where does this b.s., where does this nonsense come from? it came from a truly garbage website. that's not my personal opinion, i am not saying it's biased or i don't like it. this website publishes stories saying things like tom hanks has been executed by the u.s.

military. fake news. it went from there, spread on line on social media as usual, it was picked up by this gentleman in the video who is a body builder who posted it on his instagram story. it was grabbed by people from maga. pro-trump twitter and amplified there. and picked up by radio host and other people with big followings. and the original article was also amp phied by laura logan and others. it kept spreading. i think the moral of the study is don't get your news from people who claim that tom hanks has been executed by the military. don't take your news from brando body builders on twitter saying they got the story from their dad. >> put that last tweet up. i want to look at that. u.s. pilots resign. this is what courage looks like. this is lara logan, i guess,

from fox? >> yeah. so she's praising the pilots for their courage in resigning even though that didn't happen. and i don't know if she's deleted this in the last couple hours. but it was up for multiple hours even as people were trying to tell her on twitter it was completely fake. >> so -- okay. you know the difference between if that had been someone -- hopefully that would never happen to someone here at cnn. we would say someone made a mistake, whatever, correct it. we have since removed and it apologize for the mistake. let's see if that happens. >> yeah. >> from this fox newsperson. >> let's see. >> as we call it, fox propaganda on this show. thanks very much. appreciate it. california's recall election is still four days away. but over on the fox propaganda network they are already pushing the big lie, part two a bogus claim that the only way democrats can win is if they somehow cheat.

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soy, they are at it again, throwing more red meat to their audience. fox propaganda hosts pushing a new version of the big lie, this time falsely telling view thaers the only way california's democratic governor gavin knew some can beat next week's recall election is through voter fraud. sound familiar? more from cnn's chief media correspondent brian stelter. >> the only thing that will save governor gavin knew some is voter fraud. >> reporter: that's the rhetoric. >> pay attention to the voter

fraud going on in california. it is going to have big consequences not only for that state but for upcoming elections. >> reporter: she's directing her warning at the democratic governor of california, gavin knew some, who is fighting to keep his office in next week's recall election. >> the ballot harvesting that democrats will do. >> reporter: this is an emerging story line on fox. a preputtal to the election baselessly claiming the democrats can only win if they somehow cheat. it's the big lie playbook flown from d.c. to sacramento. and let's be clear, there has been no evidence of widespread voter fraud. but the trusted voices on fox, like tucker carlson, have been issuing veiled warnings for weeks which are always. >> non-stips can vote. >> reporter: as the old saying goes, history never repeats itself, but it often rhymes. trump's tactics last winter now seem to be applied to the recall, with newsom's chances of surviving looking pretty good, fraud is presented as an excuse to explain away any future

republican loss. the leading gop candidate to replace newsom, larry elder is now joining in. >> all sorts of reasons why the 2020 election in my opinion was full of shenanigans. and my theory is they are going to try that in this election here in recall. >> reporter: key context here is that the majority of early ballots returned have come from democrats in of course a heavily blue state. now elder's campaign says it is gearing up for legal action. >> we have a voter integrity board also set up. these are lawyers. when people hear of things they are going to contact us and we will file lawsuits in a timely fashion. >> reporter: this attorney saying only election losers cry election fraud. >> this big lie playbook is bigger than california. this disinformation strategy is clearly now a part of the gop. and it's here to stay, don.

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the removal of a robert e. lee statue in richmond virginia is getting a lot of cheers but my next guest says there might be a better way to deal with our country's racist past.

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this week marking a moment in history for many black americans, the enormous statue of confederate general resident e. lee taken down in virginia. it is the latest salvo playing out in places all around this country.

my next guest says removing straws may not be the best way to reckon with our past. joining me, the author of "say it loud, on race, law, history, and culture". good to have you on professor, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> i am talking about this robert e. lee statue. it was up for 131 years. richmond was the capital of the confederacy. for a lot of people of color it meant a lot to see it come down. what did it mean to you? >> number one, i am glad that people were mobilizing against racism and are mobilizing against racism. so i applaud the people who organized to, you know, have it taken down. i do have some cautionary notes, though. one, you know, no monument, no symbol has to mean just one thing. i mean, before they took it down -- you can take look at

that picture, the graffiti on it gave it a different meaning. you could have a robert e. lee statue and have it mean something different than a glorification of the confederacy. you could have a statue, and leave it alone, and say, you know what, we want it to be here as a reminder of our nation's history. you could do that. i think people ought to be a little bit careful about overinvesting in any take, you know, campaign. there are lots of things that we need to fight against. >> i get your point. a couple of points here, though -- i know there are lots of things that we need to fight, and i have heard statues are not the most important thing. but it is one. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. i understand what you mean. if you look at it with the

graffiti and the statue, it looks like it has become a different piece of art. but wouldn't be it better served in a museum where there can be some explanation about this statue and about what it meant? >> listen, again, i am not fighting the people who have made this change. i am applauding them. i'm simply saying that -- frankly, i could live with a lot of different avenues of change. so for instance, at my law school we had a big struggle over the symbol of harvard law school. and there was a big -- you know, we got rid of the symbol because the family that sort of memorialized this symbol was a slave-owning family. we got rid of it. there was a person who actually argued against getting rid of it on the grounds that we should continue to have that symbol to

remember the enslaved people. now, you know, i think good argument there. there is various arguments. and, again, i think that, you know, we should remember that symbols can be made to mean different things. that's all. >> understood. and perhaps there is a place for both, you know, the old symbol and the new symbol. and it should be taught in, you know, when students come in to the school for orientation. and maybe you can teach them about that as a way of having them understand the history of the school and the country. this -- let's get back to charlotte. the charlotteville rally that head to heather hire's death was about defending a statue, robert e. lee. don't these monuments though promote a rallying cry for hateful ideology? i know you will say at least it exposes them -- maybe i am putting words in your mouth. but doesn't it provide a

rallying cry for them and it gives them some sort of -- something to, you know, defend and come out for, rally for? >> probably does. and that's very tragic and that's very unfortunate. let me say one other thing, though. you know, there's buildings being built all the time. there's lots of things to memorialize. i'm certainly against memorialization of, you know, robert e. lee a traitor. i do think it would be nice to maybe spend a bit more time thinking of, well, there are a lot of wonderful people that need to be

-- i have never felt so much trepidation in my life as in the past two or three years. and, yes, i have been taken aback -- i don't think i was a sentimental person before. but i have been taken aback by the racism, by the cruelty, by the ignorance, by the resentment that is so obvious. >> why didn't you see it before, though. >> why didn't i? i'm -- you know, i'm not all together sure.

again, you know, i don't think i was sentimental. but i did think that we had gone farther down the road to racial decency than we have. that's a good way of putting it. racial decency, instead of, you know, equality. >> yeah. it's -- i have to say, this -- this book, there are a number of places where i just say, humbly, i was mistaken. and on this one, i was mistaken. >> that is hard for people to say, especially in this day and age because people you know are wedded to their beliefs. it is hard to change them. professor, i want to turn to the supreme court nouchltd you argue that we give supreme court justices more deference than they deserve. and the recent decision on the texas anti-abortion laws was so negatively partisan it is hard not to see justices as political actors. what happens if the court lose all ability to be neutral?

>> first of all, we should recognize that will the supreme court of the united states is not neutral. the supreme court of the united states is political. it's as political as the house of representatives. it's as political as the senate. it's as political as the presidency. you know, the nine justices, all of them, you know, the conservatives, the liberals, they are -- they are political figures. their politics takes place in a different way. they have a different vocabulary. they have different customs. their politics is registered in a somewhat different way. but are they political? of course they are. that's why there is so much fighting and, you know, there is such a struggle over who is going to be on the supreme court. if it wasn't political it wouldn't be such a big deal. >> well, it wouldn't be a conservative president appointing a, you know, a

conservative judge or a liberal president appointing a liberal judge or nominating a liberal judge. because politics wouldn't play a role in it, you are right. even at the beginning, on its face, it is political. >> it is thoroughly political. and we should -- and the citizenry should understand that. i think a lot of people want to sort of think that, you know, the supreme court is above politics. i think people get a certain, you know, sort of sense of security out of that thought. but it's a delusion. >> i want to talk about the court's only black justice, conservative clarence thomas. though you disagree with his positions on racial issues, you used say he was not a sellout, but now you have changed your mind. what changed your mind? another big change of opinion

for you. >> well, he has been on the court and he has participated in some of the most hurtful judicial delinquencies in modern american history. the worst was his vote in a 5-4 decision that eviscerated the voting rights act of 1965. people died seeking to get that act put into law. it was a needed, a useful in my view, and obviously proper and constitutional enactment. and he participated in the evisceration of the voting rights act of 1965. and there are other things, but that was the worst. >> yeah. >> and against -- against that

backdrop, i have no problem with people, especially black people, shunning him. >> what do you say? i think you said it all right there. i think there are many people of color who feel exactly the same way that you do. professor, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining. i can't wait to read the book. i haven't had the opportunity to read it. but i want to get my hands on it. check out professor kennedy's book, "stay it loud, on race, law, history and culture" appreciate you joining us. it is considered the deadliest drug in the country. now people are lacing fentanyl with other kinds of drugs, adding all kinds of new iskes. -- new risks. because behr dynasty only takes... one. coat.

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