they were worried about their wives or their families and so, you know, they were headed back or were going to go back for that reason. >> reporter: we brought you their story last week. then over the weekend, word game they were finally on the move after four weeks. more than 460 pilots, maintainers, and family members loaded onto buses and charter planes, flying uzbekistan airways to abu dhabi for further processing. one step closer to making it to the u.s. where many want to end up, but fears remain. how worried are you that the remaining afghan air force personnel, family members are targets of the taliban now and won't be able to get out of the country? >> we know air force members or family members have been either detained or killed by the taliban, so it's not like it's something that may happen. it is something that is happening right now. so time is of the essence. >> reporter: those concerns weighing on the pilots.

>> if taliban understand that our families, parents, are in afghanistan, they will catch them until we show up. >> reporter: since many have already been to the u.s. for training and fought so closely with american forces, the visa process is expected to go smoothly. which would be a huge relief for the men who are forced to dramatically flee their native country and start life in a new one. >> i can't explain how happy i am. and it's a big pleasure not only for me but for all that were in uzbekistan. >> on top of the afghan air force personnel who have gotten out of uzbekistan, there are still around 140 more in neighboring tajikistan. general hicks has been tracking their cases as well and has told us that processing on them has started. john, between those two countries, around 60 planes and helicopters were flown out of afghanistan. what will happen to them remains unclear, but thanks to those pilots, the taliban will not get

their hands on them. >> nice to get some good news. alex, thank you so much for that report. >> so the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> all right, thanks, john. i'm chris cuomo, and welcome to "primetime." now, 9/11 is heavy. 20-year anniversary is heavy. and there were many of you saying the right things. i appreciate what you said to me and about the occasion. but there were still too many that were wearing never forget shirts and yet i was listening. i'm seeing people fighting about stupid things, about lies, and about misinformation. and it reminded me of a quote because we're in a bad place. and i say that because i'm desperate for us to get to a better place. our chief want is someone who will inspire us to be who we know we could be. that was true in the civil war era when emerson said it, and it is just as true now.

that's a leader, that's the leadership we need, and we need a lot of leaders. because we can't stay where we are. you all know it. you tell me all the time. for the sake of our economy, our kids, our health, our status in the world, we can't keep getting weaker from the strains of division. and 9/11 20 years on is a window into who we once were during hard times and how we are now. and the man who led this country 20 years ago told you the truth to mark the 20th anniversary. >> we have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders but from violence that gathers within. there is little cultural overlap between violent extremists

abroad and violent extremists at home. but then there's disdainful pluralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols. they are children of the same foul spirit, and it is our continuing duty to confront them. >> bush was in shanksville, pennsylvania. you remember that. it's where americans and their allies onboard took on terror, took down that plane, and saved who knows how many with their sacrifice. and there we had a president standing where people gave everything and reminding you that we have lost what got us through that hard time. then came the reminder of why we are where we are. manifested in the appropriate agent for animus. trump. >> the election was rigged, and

that's what we got -- that's what we got. if they fought the war the way they fought the election, or they stole it, i don't even say stole it, they rigged it. we would have had this -- this war would have been over 20 years ago. >> doesn't even know what he's talking about. he doesn't even know who he's talking about. his party was in charge on 9/11. even on 9/11, not even respecting the memory of the dead or the first responders. he couldn't even spare them poison politics. he went on to try to discredit bush and what he had said by saying he lectures us that terrorists on the right are a bigger problem than those from foreign countries that hate america. he shouldn't be lecturing us about anything. the world trade center came down during his watch. that's what he is about even on 9/11. and that, my brothers and sisters, and that's what we are, if we're not brothers and sisters here, we are nothing at all. and to me, that's unacceptable. and i know it is to you as well.

but we got to see the difference of what brought us together out of common concern and collective will to come back 20 years ago, when this country took on terror, when it held each other close. we weren't perfect. we had tons of fights. the bush administration with the yellow cake b.s. and all that, went to the wrong place for all intents and purposes. but the commitment was there. today, what do we see? we're pushing each other away. we're making ourselves sick, literally and politically. the gop of 9/11, which by the way was in control, they led us to come together and worked with democrats to keep us safe. and then contrast that with what else you see. that shell, the soulless suggestion of what that party is today. everyone's the enemy. everything is bad. everyone is bad. no collective concern for anything but the demise of democrats and any perceived opponent.

the majority wants this to stop. the majority is vaccinated. the majority does what it has to to keep themselves and their families and their communities safe. so when will the majority demand that the tyranny of a toxic minority end? and yet maybe we don't really want better. most republicans say they want trump to remain as their leader of their party in our new poll. even after january 6th. even after a pandemic he all but ignored that killed hundreds of thousands. you need another reason to see why we need to get better? you may get one this week. there's, quote, concerning online chatter surrounding the september 18th justice for january 6th event. because that means, i put it in

quotes, that means the opposite of what it suggests. justice for the 6th should be a reckoning for a day of infamy and criminality in the name of trump and toxic principles, yet the fevered few think those who attacked the rest of us and the crucible of our democracy are somehow victims. capitol police have issued an emergency declaration to deputize outside law enforcement.side law temporary fencing going up around the citadel of our democracy again. why? to prepare for what bush rightly called children of the same foul spirit. like this guy. capitol police just arrested a california man today with a bayonet and a machete near the dnc headquarters. he had multiple knives in his truck, a swastika, and all this other white supremacist b.s. we haven't had another attack like 9/11 since that day, thank god.

thank god. but you got to ask yourselves, would we hold together as we did then? how sad is it that the answer for so many of us has to be not an obvious yes? let's ask a better mind where we are and what it suggests about where we're going. david gregory traveled with then president bush on 9/11, 2001, as a member of the white house press corps. welcome back to "primetime," brother. let me ask you a question you posed to the rest of this country and beyond. how is your faith in where we are and where we're headed? >> well, we're in such a different time than we were at 9/11. so my faith in our collective belief in who we are and our institutions is lower. you know, i don't think that we have a sense of common cause in

our national life. i don't think we have a sense that we're all in it together. i think we're really pulled apart. in ways that our media has contributed to, that government has contributed to, and that events have contributed to. so i think it's a lot harder to pull in the same direction. and that's what i think is so regrettable. you know, you have talked a lot about 9/11. the thing that brings us together as a country is an external threat. and an attack. and that's what 9/11 was. that's what pearl harbor was. that's what the fight against nazi germany was. and i think we live in murkier times. even though i think our basic humanity is intact, in our communities in terms of looking after each other, my faith is diminished in our ability for big institutions to meet the challenges that we face.

and by big institutions, i mean our politicians, our political parties, the ability to triumph, to get to we over a collection of individual interests. >> i ask david, how is your faith? that's the name of his book. it's really good. no matter what your belief system is, it's a really good book about suggestions about faith and what it means and how it manifests itself in life as a virtue no matter what the basis for it is. so, you know george w. bush, you covered him. he does not court controversy. especially post-presidency. >> right. >> that was a very determined message to give on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. he did not have to say any of those things to check the box of what was expected from him. were you surprised and what do you think the motivation was? >> well, i think his motivation is that he wants what's best for the country. and that he wanted to speak out at a time and a place of his choosing to have some impact.

and i think he, like a lot of americans, and certainly a lot of conservatives and opponents and critics of trump, found as we all did what happened on january 6th to be reprehensible, and to be something that simply cannot stand. and so i think he used the power of his memory of being president on 9/11 to make that statement. i think that's what motivated it. it was surprising because he's gone out of his way to stay out of that. number one, he's always believed he should exit the stage and stay off the stage. two, i think that he understands that trumpism was very much a reaction to him. to his strain of the republican establishment. to launching the war on terror and the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a lot of trumpism was about a rejection of the bush presidency.

and so i think he felt in the trump years that he only would make things worse if he had spoken out more. >> it's interesting, his numbers were way better. vaughn, you have the numbers, right? his low was the same as trump's, about 34%, which is usually as low as most presidents get. but look at his mean average, about where he was when he was strong. this was their last rating, which is the same, 34%. but look at this, the average. 49% to 41%. it's interesting that you're not wrong. i mean, many in this new era of the gop see bush as some kind of problem for them. but he rated a lot higher than their boy. >> well, right. but i think what's striking is that trump as president, too, consolidated the core of the republican party. i think he lost a lot of that. i think that says something about his relative weakness going forward. but even when he was elected, we

were together on election night in 2016. republicans came home for trump. we didn't expect that. i think they stayed around for him on things like the court and taxes and just a rejection of the left. but yeah, i mean, bush was -- bush suffered from a lot of things but certainly by the end, it was the combination of katrina and iraq and a question of competence -- >> but he won a second term, and you saw trump lose everything. although i must -- i have to say, the republicans did a lot better in this last election than they were expected to do. and i think that's because -- >> right. >> because this country is divided, and we have real concerns in this country about the left and how far it can push us. though i heard trump say something this weekend that i was surprised he said. i don't think he meant to say it. he threw in some of his typical rhetoric of xenophobia of muslims coming here. he picked the wrong time to say that.

a lot of his supporters are in favor of bringing people home from afghanistan right now, including the allies. the idea he was talking about people from afghanistan coming to the country right now, and i think he misfired on that. i do not think he's going to find support for that given the context of how many veterans are trying to pull people who helped america out of the country and get them to safety. >> i agree with that. for trump, it's just, let's add another group to be afraid of and lump them in and say they're terrorists. it's without any merit at all. let's remember going back to the earlier point that bush wins re-election in 2004 really around the strength -- it's still around fear. you know, karl rove used to say if the question is terrorism, the answer is george w. bush. he was still considered strong enough and iraq hadn't turned badly enough for it to hurt him in 2004. and that's a key thing, right? i mean, the idea that fear of an external threat rallied

americans to such a degree, but that unity came apart because of the government's response. because of torture, abu ghraib, the war in iraq, the excesses of digging into privacy. all of that unity started to fray. and yet, i was watching "60 minutes" last night and the story of the firefighters from the fdny, the 343 who died. you're reminded how bonded together we were. that's not what trump ever accomplished. what he did was reach to a narrow group of people and say you must be afraid of all these different people. but people didn't buy into that, not enough people. only enough to get him elected, but i still think it's a smaller part of what the gop is, to your point about the counterreaction on afghans. >> i tell you, he came out, he's a former president, he wasn't with the other former presidents.

he was meeting with the first responders. he wasn't there during 9/11 when it first happened. i don't know where he was, but he did not -- donald trump was not a force of any type of common concern and collective will during that time. i lived it. i was here. all of the big shots in the city were trying to help out. he wasn't in a position of power, i'm not saying he was in politics, but i'm saying, you know, he's a president, he could speak about whatever he wants, but when 9/11 happened, he was no big presence. last word to you. >> yeah, i mean, and it's so sad for our institution of the presidency that we have a former president who is still acting like, you know, he's kind of on parade in a carnival as opposed to trying at least to be some kind of a statesman. which is why, you know, people have lots of different views about president bush. if you go back to his presidency, but you and i have talked for years about what do you worry about, about a president? how would they handle a 9/11? and that is a test, the things you don't plan for. and trump had that on the

pandemic. on covid, and bush had it on 9/11. and people have made their judgments about how all of that went. >> one got a second term, one is donald trump. david gregory, thank you very much. the book, again, is "how is your faith?" especially now, a good read. be well. the democratic party is about to face one of its biggest tests since the november election. this recall matters. gavin newsom out in california, will he survive? the last time they tried this in california, it worked. remember? schwarzenegger. but the wizard of odds is here to show us how republicans would need to make a different kind of history to win this time. it's time to pay attention. next.

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tomorrow is california's recall vote after early voting. the state's democrat governor, gavin newsom, is hoping to stave off republican backed efforts to oust him. remember how it works. two steps. one is, do you want the governor out? if he loses that vote, then you go to the second question of who do you want to be the governor? he's come under scrutiny, newsom, for his handling of the pandemic and recent wildfires. things really came to a head last november when newsom was caught enjoying a lavish dinner with friends at an expensive french restaurant while the state was under partial lockdown. despite the backlash and the gotcha media, newsom is still polling ahead at 56%. that's eight points better than only a month ago. his closest challenger is a shocker, conservative radio host larry elder. he has long been the subject of controversy surrounding public statements he's made over the years.

here's just a taste. >> i have always felt that minorities and women complain too much about racism and sexism. like it or not, slavery was legal, so their property was taken away from them after the civil war. so you can make an argument that the people that are owed reparations are not only just black people but also the people whose property was taken away after the end of the civil war. i think i would rather have george zimmerman living in my neighborhood. this is why people profile, instead of being angry at george zimmerman, be angry at the thugs who committed the crimes. there's all sorts of reasons why the 2020 election was full of shenanigans and my fear is they're going to try this in this election in recall. >> will you accept the results of the election tomorrow? >> i think we all ought to be looking at election integrity. >> now, now that he's got a chance, right, that he's polling high, he's softening his talk. makes sense. you see this? this shows you the stakes. president of the united states, joe biden, just landed in long beach, california.

you know why? because the recall has everybody worried. joining me now is the wizard of odds, harry enten, to give us a preview of what may happen tomorrow and explain why do you care. i don't live in california. all right. wiz, so when we look at this, here's my concern. the polls. should we be giving stock to the polls in this context, and what do you take from them? >> i give stock to the polls. right now, we know a majority of voters say they're going to vote against the recall. 56% to 41%, and take a look here. if you look back at all of the gubernatorial elections since 1998, with a polling miss of 15 points or more, it's just 4 out of 243 times. obviously, this is a recall, an off-year election, but this number puts it in context. if the governor gets recalled tomorrow, it's going to be a polling miss for the ages. gavin newsom is heavily favored. it doesn't mean he'll

necessarily win, but it would be quite surprising to me as someone who studies the numbers. >> how is elder doing and why is he doing well? >> well, what is doing well, right? he leads in that second round. but that doesn't necessarily mean that most of the people who say they're going to vote in the second round want him. look at that. he's only at 31% of the vote. someone else blank don't know at 69% of the vote. compare that to the last recall in 2003 that schwarzenegger won. look at the final poll back then. he was at 46% of the vote. 15 points ahead of where elder is right now. so that when voters are not just wondering about whether or not who i want to vote for in the second round, but who do i want to vote for in the first round, they have to realize, maybe i don't necessarily want elder. that wasn't a problem for schwarzenegger in 2003. >> it's interesting as i'm looking at the numbers here. maybe the going full trump the way elder is, isn't going to work in california as we have seen it work in other places. schwarzenegger was a moderate,

and there's nothing moderate about larry elder. so maybe that's not working as well, at least in this one race. >> i don't believe it's working as well. here's the best way to know it's not working well. look at the trend line in round one versus the trend line in round two. round one is where you're asked, do i really want to recall the governor? a month ago, look at that. against the recall was 48% and elder was at 28%. and then ten days ago, elder went up 25%. then elder is at 31% now. 56% against recall. as voters have been seeing elder gain ground in the second round, they're going, wait a minute, i don't want to go there. i don't want to chance that we might have larry elder as our governor, and that has very much been beneficial to gavin newsom, and i think one of the large reasons that newsom has regained some strength in the polls is because voters are recognizing that if he is in fact recalled, larry elder will replace him, and in a democratic state like

california, voters want no part of that. >> you know, newsom was getting picked on for not talking about himself enough, and ironically, you had people on the right saying all he's doing is saying what's wrong with people on the right. it worked, though. it's been moving his numbers. fear sells. now, a larger implication. what is the president doing in california? it's just one governor's seat. why do they care? >> i think there are multiple reasons. one is, yes, you want a democratic governor in the largest, most populated state in the union, but it could also have federal implications, right? we have already seen gavin newsom appoint one person to the united states senate. he may in fact appoint another one down the line. we don't know what might happen. but more than that, it's about nationalizing the race. this is what gavin newsom wants to do, and you can see this. look at this. senators in states won by the other party in the last presidential election. there are just six of those. just six of those at this particular point. look back in 2003. it was 29. voters were far more willing to give a shot to a republican

governor who might appoint a republican senator than they are now. so this is just smart strategy from gavin newsom. nationalize the race, we have seen it work in the polls. obviously, we'll have to wait and see what happens tomorrow, but right now, gavin newsom has the right message, at least if you believe the polls. and i do. at least enough in the event i think he will not be recalled tomorrow. again, it just takes such a large error for that to happen. >> so if he gets the majority tomorrow, then there is no second phase. he stays governor. >> that's exactly correct. you don't get a round two if round one says no to the recall. >> harry enten, thank you, brother. appreciate you. to another governor saga. florida's ron desantis just allowed some wild covid misinformation to spread from his own microphone. and he's issuing new threats to those following presidential guidance to help end this pandemic. i want to take you through this. don't say desantis is a dummy. he's an ivy league educated

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to your kids and mine is rising, quote, exponentially. okay. the american academy of pediatrics reports childhood cases increased 240% just since july. we know why. they're going back to school. and kids now account for almost 29% of all cases in this country. we know why. because they're not vaccinated, many of them, and they're going back to school. yet too many on the right are choosing to prolong the pain merely in the name of politics. case in point, mr. don't fauci florida himself, governor ron desantis. tellingly chose to stand silently by while this nonsense took place at his own press conference today. listen to this. >> the vaccine changes your rna so for me, that's a problem. so i'm here with you folks. we don't want to have the vaccine. it's about our freedom and

liberty. >> desantis knows that's b.s. he's a smart guy. he's got experts giving him the truth. he's harvard and yale educated. he's a lawyer. he knows. which may be why he started staring at the ground and shoving his hand in his pocket. when it was done, and he returned to the mic, did he correct what that guy was just saying about how the vaccine changes your genetics? no. he shook the guy's hand and thanked him for coming. and that is beneath the office. all of this, by the way, comes as desantis is making it harder to do the one thing we know that works to get people vaccinated, mandates. 77% of workers say they will or have gotten the shot if their employer requires it. look, i don't know about you. i'm not in any hurry to have the government tell me how to live my life, but what was plan "b" here?

in a state with less than 10% of icu beds available, desantis is now threatening to fine cities and counties that refuse to let a minority of both parties dictate the danger the rest of us face. and instead require employees get vaccinated. the irony here, at the same time the right is slamming biden for fining companies who don't adhere to vaccine mandates, whether it's masks for kids or the vaccines, desantis keeps trying to frame this as a matter of choice. while taking away the choice of local officials to do what works. >> it's our belief that this should be a parent's choice. it's basically a personal choice. it's their choice. that should be the choice of the parent. >> yes, but choices have consequences. choose not to get your kids vaccinated, you don't get to go to public schools or pretty much any school. right? you don't have to take the vaccine. that's not what's being done

here. but you don't get to not do what keeps everybody else safe and then get to live the way that you want to because you are forcing the rest of us not to live the way that we want. the choice desantis is making, okay, just as he stood silent in the face of b.s. he knows isn't true is to play this to advantage even if it works for the disadvantage of so many that are under his care. while the number of deaths in his state keep heading in the wrong direction, he is being defiant of what is right. and it raises a question. do these defiant governors who are all on the right really want to prolong the pandemic? do they really believe it won't come back to haunt them one day? let's take it to a man who is dead in the middle. michael smerconish, next. when you're entertaining, you want to put out the best snacks that taste great, and come straight from the earth.

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it's an interesting place republicans find themselves in. they finally made inroads on their crusade to overturn roe v. wade.

that is a very real situation. remember, stare decisis only means what the next set of judges who review the law want it to mean. that texas ruling from the supreme court, that tells you that roe v. wade is in play. and yet we aren't seeing many republicans throw parades about this small victory. why? because like their vaccine mandate pushback, they know they're playing small ball. they're catering to a minority. and the actions that come with the talk could also come with a heavy price. the question now is, will they wind up owning these decisions and losing because of them? let's discuss with michael smerconish. smerc, this is a little bit on the abortion side reproductive rights side, a little tricky. let's do that second. on the vaccine side, desantis

stands next to a guy who just runs some b.s. about what the vaccine does to your body. he knows it's not true. but he says nothing. because what is his play? >> well, i see the issue similarly. i see the abortion issue and the vaccine issue in the same light, which is, and i love the way you just set it up, it's a short game. it's not a long game. you can sell this to the base. you can sell this in primary season, if you're running for the presidency. this is not a strategy for winning a general election in a presidential race. and the best i can offer you, chris, is to say that they think they'll worry about it later because in the short term, they're all toeing the exact same line. ask yourself this. why doesn't former president donald trump own the vaccine? why isn't this his issue 24/7? why isn't he the one out there

talking about operation warp speed, which by the way, i think he's got a right to do. but he hardly ever brings it up, and the reason is because like the rest of those on the right, he's afraid of that base. he doesn't want to antagonize them. in alabama a couple weeks ago, he raised the prospect of people getting vaccinated and when there were a couple cat calls from the audience, he backed off and said, hey, it's your choice. just like that guy speaking before desantis. it's all about driving the base and not a long-term strategy of winning general elections. >> now, the vaccine is a new issue. reproductive rights is not. and the operative understanding for the right has been talk the talk, but you're not going to walk the walk, so you get it both ways. you're not going to piss off the majority, including in their own party, that does not want reproductive rights completely stripped from women, but you get to say the right things for the christian value set. what happens if the law does

change? >> right. so this is a be careful what you wish for. and as i was listening to you describe the background circumstances, i was thinking on ronald reagan's watch, remember, reagan as president, very pro-life in his philosophy. but you know, every year, chris, there used to be a gathering. there still is on capitol hill, of pro-life forces. and it always struck me that ronald reagan would communicate with them sitting in the oval office instead of going out and making an appearance before the group. and i think that said a lot. it was always pay lip service, keep everybody at arm's length. do what you need to do to keep the evangelicals in the tent, but don't get too close. this texas situation is frightening for republicans, and i think they know it. you could never sell in suburbia a six-week timeframe. the mississippi law, that i think is the more significant

challenge at 15 weeks. i do not believe that the supreme court is going to pay heed to the texas law. i know about the 5-4 vote. that law was very cleverly crafted so it really couldn't be challenged at an early stage. and they were careful in that 400-word order to say they weren't necessarily buying into the constitutionality of it. i say keep your eye on mississippi, the 15 weeks, and what develops there. i don't expect roe will be totally overturned. but if it were, i think it brings out democrats in droves in the midterm and presidential elections. >> probably not just democrats. put up the numbers from quinnipiac recently in may about where people are on this issue. and we have actually seen even among catholics a movement on this. the '73 roe v. wade, do you agree or not agree? 63/28. those are not the kinds of numbers where you find yourself wanting to engage the 28.

but this is the interesting play here. i mean, i really believe so far in terms of issues, this is the most stark one that goes to what you talk about all the time, mike, which is, what is the cost of catering to a minority. >> right. and i guess the response to that would be that despite what your numbers show, that the passion on the issue, if you could poll passion within those numbers, you would find that that meter would swing more toward conservatives. historically, the court issue, talking about who you want to appoint justices to the supreme court, has been a republican issue more than a democratic issue in the last couple decades. i think roe is different. i think this is the one judicial legal issue that would really have a reverse effect and pose harm to the gop. even if they won't say so today. >> i'll tell you what, there are very few issues that unite all three generations of women in my family.

and it never gets to the idea of the pregnancy. it's, you don't tell me. they don't even want to hear me talking about it, to be honest. but you don't tell me what i do with my body. my mother is 62 years old. and my wife is very young, and my daughter is 18. and all three of them, it will be interesting to see what happens if this court takes that law away. then where's the passion? michael smerconish, always a pleasure, brother. i almost got myself in real trouble with with the ages. but i didn't. >> thank you. the first hearing on our ugly exit from afghanistan was held today on the hill. the secretary of state came. he had a lot to say. now, he didn't come actually, and that was part of the thing, he didn't come in person, but tony blinken reassured that we, meaning america, is going to bring home all the americans and afghan allies. plus, an update on sarah, the

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thank you for caring. thank you for helping the veterans and the allies. it's not left and right. it's just reasonable and the reasonable thing to do is everything we can to get americans and allies back here. an update on the americans stranded in afghanistan who we've been calling sarah. the former interpreter. she's an american citizen. she doesn't want to leave, without being able to take some of the kids who qualify she says for an siv visa. she sent a new video showing her and the kids that she is still trying to get out. faces are blurred, again, because there is danger. we don't want people to be able to identify them. but i do want you to be able to relate to the need. they have been able to get some food and we're told some medicine. the bigger news is that sarah has been in touch with the state

department. good news. let's bring in sam rogers. one of the veterans whose group is working with other groups and other veterans and allies to help people, like sarah and these kids, get out of there. sam, it's good to have you. again, thank you for what you're doing. >> thanks for having me on, chris, i appreciate all your support. >> what's the update? >> so, sarah's had a couple of conversations with the state department. um, though, i have to be honest, her feedback from the state department is directly in conflict with secretary blinken's comments today. that we will continue the relentless efforts to help americans, afghans, and foreign nationals who want to leave. she's under the impression that she's the only one who can get out. and she's dealing with some -- some really crippling guilt and some challenging questions of does she leave these people behind? and can she? >> now, let's talk about the

legitimacy here. the people she wants to help. what do you know about paperwork and any way of verifying that they have not the right but the credentials that america would smile on in terms of helping people? >> right, chris. so -- so, we've made available -- um -- everything we've got. you know, military identification. letters of recommendation from military officers who these translators and their -- their families served under. and we have made all that available to not only state department but some of these other groups who are working diligently to try to find 'em options to get out of the country. >> so when they say no, you can't bring them with you, what is their reason? >> there -- there hasn't been -- there hasn't been one, yet. um, she's hoping, she's praying that they are going to reach back out and let her know -- um -- you know, what options she has. but in the meantime, you know, that communication, they are really only willing to communicate directly with her. not through any intermediaries

which, you know, for security and privacy purposes, i understand. although, it does make our job more challenging. >> can she identify you as an agent? >> um, you know, that's something that -- that's something that we could explore. but, you know, right now, she's in a place with -- with no power, with limited connectivity. um -- there is a lot of -- there's a lot of really pressing challenges which is really the whole idea of flying people to these third-party countries, in the first place. >> right. >> to do that initial round of -- of -- of vetting that can't be done safely in afghanistan. >> so, you believe -- you know, i mean, she is very passionate -- do you believe her when she is saying i'm not leaving if i can't take these kids? i will go talk to the taliban before i do that. >> i -- i can feel the pain in her voice when i talk to her on the phone. i can hear the exhaustion in her voice. she doesn't want to leave these people. she doesn't believe that it's in our dna, as americans. she -- she's proud of being an american, and she doesn't believe that that's part of the

american idea. and i don't think that -- i don't think that americans feel that way, either. i think that, you know, here's how normal people feel about this, chris. over the labor day weekend, cva foundation set up a booth at the house of harley davidson in milwaukee to tell people about this issue and collect refugee supplies. people said a biker rally's a weird place to try to collect supplies for afghanistan refugees. we talked to over 2,500 people in a weekend and they donated over $150,000 of supplies. >> i believe it. i believe it because country made a promise. >> it's who we are. >> yeah, country made a promise. this is not left, right. bikers. they care about the country like everybody else. it's just being reasonable. sam rogers, we will stay on it and thank you. we'll be right back with the handoff. oh yeah! honey, you still in bed? yep! bye! that's why we love skechers max cushioning footwear. they've maxed out the cushion for extreme comfort. it's like walking on clouds! big, comfy ones!

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our thanks. your rewards. it is a very interesting principle distilled by michael smerconish tonight. what does somebody want to own in politics? look around and see. what do different people who want you to listen to them, what do they want