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great talent and i loved laughing with him on snl. tom arnold writes, one of the easiest things i have done was hire norm macdonald to write "ro "roseanne." norm was fearless in comedy and life and his unique voice is missed by all of us today. norm macdonald was 61 years old. i will be back at 10:00 p.m. for special coverage of the california recall election. now it's time to hand it over to chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." now we know the truth. we were closer to a real destruction of our democracy than was even apparent. trump was considering crazy actions that threatened national security. concerns that went all the way to the top at the pentagon. bob woodward and robert costa of
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the "washington post" write in their new book "peril" that general mark milley -- you have gotten to flow him more recently, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, took action twice, once right before the election and then after january 6th to block trump from going rogue. to limit him from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or even launching nuclear weapons. the question to start with is, why? milley was reportedly very concerned, concern shared a d b others in the administration and congress that a desperate trump had gone into a serious mental decline. in addition, to consoling his chinese counterpart that the united states democracy was intact and no military action was imminent, the general also called a secret pentagon meeting two days after the insurrection.
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the point was to review the process for military action with senior officials. if you think back to that time, it wasn't too long ago, trump had been upending the military's leadership, if you remember, after losing the election. cabinet members were resigning. he will nut jobs talking about martial law. he really was nutty enough to pressure the vice president, mike pence, to try to steal the election up until at least the day before the certification of the vote. heavy charge. what's the backup ? in the book it says trump and pence were in the oval office january 5 talking about what powers pence had to mess with the electoral count. when the vice president told trump he wouldn't want any one person to have that kind of authority, trump said, wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power? no, pence said. i have done everything i could and then some to find a way around this. it's simply not possible.
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trump then allegedly shouted, no, no, no, you don't understand. you can do this. i don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this. what a threat. he didn't just drop pence as a friend the next day, he left him for dead when the trump mob came to hang him at the capitol. the concerns about what the then president might do to the rest of us, let alone pence, led general milley to have that meeting. we haven't seen anything like that kind of meeting that we know about since nixon when top brass during watergate wanted a warning if then president nixon tried to use the military to distract from his downfall. here, milley, according to the book, met with the top brass after the insurrection and instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved. quote, if you get calls, no
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matter whom they are from, there's a process here. there's a procedure. no matter what you are told, you do the procedure. you do the process. and i am part of the procedure. the top general allegedly then went around the room looked each officer in the eye and said, got it? the authors say milley saw this as an oath. talk about afghanistan and who you blame and all that, right? just eight days after the 2020 election, trump was so determined, according to the book, to end the war in afghanistan during his presidency that he secretly signed a memo to withdraw all troops by january 15, 2021. can you imagine if we had left that abruptly how many would have been left behind?
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the secretary of defense didn't know about it. neither did the national security advisor. milley and company went to the white house and had it withdrawn. that is a very interesting anecdote, that last one, that puts into context the framing for the big question coming out of this other than all that stuff about trump, which will be about milley and what he did. if it's true he stopped that kind of withdrawal, think about how many lives may have been saved. does milley deserve thanks for criticism? will these findings add any fuel to the search for answers about january 6 in congress? we have a good fortune of someone who knows the players and had eyes on the situation. myles taylor. the no-longer anonymous former senior trump administration official. you remember him turning white house upside down in 2018 when he wrote "the new york times"
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op-ed and book, declaring he was part of the resistance working to thwart trump's worst inclinations and did, ultimately, reveal his identity. taylor was chief of staff to kirstjen nielsen. back with us on "prime time." >> thanks for having me. >> first, the flavor. does this sound as reporting remotely like what you understand about milley, his concerns and what trump could trigger in people like him? >> chris, the answer is yes, yes, and yes. i want to say two things. first, it's a llarming. second, it's not surprising. you hit on the points. you had the top military advisor, hand picked, who was so worried about his mental state that he wanted to basically keep the nuclear codes from him, puts checks and balances in place and talk to foreign adversaries to keep wars from breaking out. that suggests that the president's top military advisor
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at that time didn't see russia and china and iran as the biggest threats to the united states. he saw the president of the united states as the biggest threat to the country. that's alarming. why is this not surprising? because i witnessed it. i saw cabinet secretaries in the first year of this administration talking about the potential of invoking the 25th amendment because they were worried the president was so mentally unstable. one other episode among many that i witnessed that was similar to the milley incident. we had been having conversations about north korea. we are worried the president's rhetoric would lead to a war with north korea. i remember walking out of the situation room and the secretary of defense turned to me and the secretary of homeland security and said, if you aren't preparing the homeland for war, you are not doing your jobs. he was saying, we just didn't know where the situation was going to go because the president was spiraling. that's deeply disturbing. i think that reinforces what
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milley saw firsthand. >> back to him in one second. in terms of the threat, forget about putting military in. the aspect of how dramatically he wanted to take military out. if the book is right about this secret memo to withdraw january 15, 2021, with what we just saw with a lot of lead time in getting them out that biden had, what do you think might have happened if the military had been pulled out that abruptly? >> i hate to say it. this is something that we warned trump against in the first year w . when he took office, he wanted to pull out that abruptly. he told us he wanted to pull out that abruptly at the very beginning of the administration. he just wanted to be gone from afghanistan. we pressed him and pressed him and convinced him in august of his first year to keep a u.s. troop presence. by the end of the administration, he had gotten rid of the guardrails, john kelly who convinced him to stay and stay the course. he had gotten rid of jim mattis
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and he wanted to double down on that. the humanitarian catastrophe we saw would have been on steroids. more dead americans trying to get out. it would have been a nightmare. milley deserves immense credit for preventing that from having happened. >> milley deserves credit. help us understand why what he did is okay and not, maybe he had the right feelings, but is it the right way to go about it? or are you supposed to resign and go public? >> yeah, i think that's a tough situation to be in, chris. look, i witnessed a lot of people in it. i was in that spot myself. i think what's revealing about this episode is that the guardrails are so thin that people like general milley, i'm sure, in his case, were worried if he left and spoke out, maybe a more compliant person would be put in his place who would
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execute a nuclear strike for the president to stay in office. that's the dilemma a lot of the people close to the president faced. the answer becomes, when the president no longer will listen to your advice and will go around you, that's when it's time to go and blow the whistle. a lot of people did do that. i think it's important that there were folks like general milley and others who stayed to the end to keep their hands on the steering wheel as much as possible before this thing fell apart. the fact that he was worried about the president potentially starting a war at the end of his term alarms me. chris, i'm going to add one more anecdote. donald trump talked multiple times throughout the administration to us about his powers of declaring an insurrection. he knew if he declared an insurrection, he could deploy the military to the streets and do extraordinary things. on january 6, it was my supposition as the capitol was being stormed that the president did want to invoke the insurrection act to put the military on the streets, to prevent a transfer of power,
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because he talked to us about it so many times. that's the type of thing that shows premeditation in my opinion. >> two quick things. one, when did he talk about wanting to invoke the insurrection act early on? in terms of what context? >> it was around the border. i want to see the united states border. no immigrants come in. i have been told i have magical powers under insurrection act to do that. >> he said magical powers? >> he did. verbatim, those were his words. it sounds trump-like because it was trump's words. he said he had magical powers. he said, i can use that to shut down the border. we went back to our lawyers and came to the white house and said, there's no insurrection at the southern border. you cannot invoke that power. the president had the idea of insurrection in his mind. that day, i'm sure he had the thought that he could use those powers if he wanted to to deploy the military into the streets. >> one other thing. this is going to be a hot button. milley having the concerns, fine. milley wanted to do something
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about the concerns, fine. milley calling his chinese counterpart, meeting with top brass, telling the chinese counterpart, don't worry, everything is going to be fine, i will let you know if we will attack you, and telling the top military brass, you come to me no matter who tells you what, do you believe that that is going too far? >> look, on the call with the chinese, i think we need more information. if milley actually did say to a foreign adversary, i will warn you before we hit you, and if we had a credible reason to hit an adversary, that's dangerous talk. we don't have all the details. it sounds to me like milley was trying to reach out to foreign counterparts to say, let's keep the temperature low, you may hear insane rhetoric out of washington, but let's try to keep it from going to war. like many statesmen have throughout history to try to keep temperatures low. i hope that's the case. i think we need to ask those questions. i think general milley owes answers on that front. >> myles taylor, invaluable perspective.
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appreciate you. thank you for sharing what you know. >> thanks, chris. if this new reporting, to use his qualification -- we have to know if everything is right. that chinese call. let's bring in someone who believes it's a problem. a former administration official as well. a star witness at trump's first impeachment, retired lieutenant colonel alexander vinman is here. somebody who did it a different way. next. ♪ ayy, ayy, ayy ♪ ♪ yeah, we fancy like applebee's on a date night ♪ ♪ got that bourbon street steak with the oreo shake ♪ ♪ get some whipped cream ♪ ♪ on the top too ♪ ♪ two straws, one check, ♪ ♪ girl, i got you ♪ ♪ bougie like natty in the styrofoam ♪ ♪ squeak-squeakin' in the truck bed all the way home ♪ ♪ some alabama-jamma, she my dixieland delight ♪ ♪ ayy, that's how we do, how we do, ♪
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nature to him, a spontaneous nature that can be upsetting to people who are used to leaders who think before they speak and act. there are real questions about what was done here by trump, for trump and to stop trump. namely, the man who is still the chairman of the joint chiefs. woodward and costa report that general mark milley was holding secret back channel communications with his chinese counterpart. going so far as making promises to a hostile nation. then there are the parts of the book where milley was reportedly going around the commander in chief, taking secret action to protect nuclear weapons. when is that okay? when is it not? milley reportedly told senior military officials not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved. moves like that had my next guest, retired lieutenant colonel vinman tweeting. if this true -- if this is true,
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general milley must resign. he usurped authority and broke chain of command and violated control over the military. it's a dangerous precedent. you can't walk away from that. welcome to "prime time." thank you for your service. >> thanks, chris. >> do you believe milley did that? let's start there. >> well, first of all, i find the reporting on china to be absurd. i cannot imagine a situation in which the chairman of the joint chiefs offers to warn an adversary of an imminent attack. i find that kind of casting a shadow over the rest of the reporting. that's why i said, if the reporting is accurate, if the senior most military officer in the united states army -- or in the united states military acted
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without any oversight, without any accountability, i find that deeply troubling. it's doing to me what seems like the wrong thing for seemingly the right reason. there's not a way to get away with that. there's not a way to walk away from that unscathed. i wrote a book about doing the right thing in the right way. this to me screams of doing the wrong thing. >> what if it's what myles taylor suggested, which was him talking to a counterpart that he had a relationship with and saying, i'm here to tell you, no matter what you hear coming out of the white house, everything is under control here? >> my friend myles taylor made some excellent points. i agree with much of what he said about the dangers of donald trump. there's no question about the fact there needed to be a better check on donald trump. that should have occurred, frankly, on two occasions which the senate should have held him accountable, following impeachment, removed him from office.
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that did not. that's the way the system is supposed to work. the american public held the president accountable and removed him from office by voting in a new president. what we can't have is we can't have senior military officer acting without any oversight, exceeding his authority, without civilian control. this is a sa-- what happens if e chairman of the joint chiefs acts in what he believes is his best interests and we find ourselves in -- >> right. >> a slippery slope of where many other countries find themselves. simply put -- >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, simply put, even if he did this for the right reasons, he did the wrong thing. now he is toxic. he is a chairman that has been criticized for the lafayette -- marching through lafayette park. there has been reporting indicating he was concerned.
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he didn't voice the concerns at moments where his voice would have been critical, potentially put a check on the president. instead, now we have reporting coming out about how he worked behind the scenes to control the president. that's troubling to me. >> hobson's choice. a choice is a free choice in only one thing is actually offered. which means, what was milley supposed to do? if he does nothing, because that's the president, then he is allowing things that he has a problem and he does not nothing about them. if he does what he does here, you are afraid of encroaching. if he were to resign and go public, now he has no power to correct the problem. >> you know, i grew up in the military in which we trained our subordinates. more senior leaders trained their subordinates to be able to step up if you go down.
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right? there was -- it wasn't just the chairman of the joint chiefs. there were half a dozen chiefs prepared to step up and fill that role. 100% in my mind clear that these are individuals that would step up and step into the breach and do the same thing. the chairman, if he felt strongly about these issues, co-hac he could have done this on january 8. he attested to speaking to nancy pelosi when she expressed concerns about donald trump. he could have been a guardrail and made sure that at least for the remaining two weeks that donald trump wasn't able to steal an election and double down on insurrection. we heard none of this. none of this until months down the road. now coming out that he was really behind the scenes serving as a guardrail. in my mind, the guardrail is not an individual. the guardrail is a system. it's an institution. it's multiple officers doing the
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right thing. in this case, what's clear to me is, frankly, chairman milley is tainted by all these things that i expressed, that there are deep concerns about. also, by the fact that he lost the trust of at least half the population on one side. those people that believe that he exsceeded his authority and violated civil military relations. there are better candidates to run the military, folks less polarizing. i don't think we need one that has so much baggage at the moment. especially when we are trying to rebuild and harden institutions. >> lieutenant colonel alexander vinman. thank you very much, sir. we will talk again. listen, here is what's going to happen. milley is going to have to come and speak. he is going to have to talk about this. he will have to provide context, say what he did, what he didn't do, what he said, what he didn't
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say. here is why. you are going to hear him being celebrated a lot on tv by the media and the political/political left. he did the right thing. he controlled led trump. what this will do is absolutely turbo charge deep state theories. it's a lot of grist for that mill. he is going to have to come out and set this straight about what this was and what it wasn't. something else, in less than two hours, polls close in california's recall election. will governor newsom stay in office? this election was infected by the big lie before there was even an election, before the votes were even completed as being cast. the gop frontrunner pulling a double trump, lobbing baseless accusations of fraud. how do you stop this poison from spreading in the republican party? a brilliant mind, a better mind,
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i believe there might be shenanigans, as in the 2020 election. my fear is they will try that in this election in recall. >> will you accept the results tomorrow? >> i think we all ought to look at election integrity, whether you are a democrat, independent or republican. let's do that together. >> arnold schwarzenegger, former governor of california was called the terminator. that may be elders. he terminated the chances of any likelihood of getting rid of gavin newsom. for weeks larry elder, the leading republican in california's recall election -- that's the issue. how did someone like this wind up getting to the top of the heap on the republican side?
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what's he doing? more of the same toxicity. laying the groundwork to baselessly call fraud in this election. familiar refrain in today's gop. let's bring in michael smerconish about what this recall election tells us about the state of play. it's good to see you. if newsom staves off with a 50 plus percentage vote tonight so that he doesn't get recalled, what does that say to you? >> i think you put your finger on something. i see a headline in tomorrow's "l.a. times" that says, elder saves newsom. i think that gavin newsom was in trouble until the emergence of larry elder. what newsom was able to do was no longer make this a referendum on his role as governor of california. instead, to present this as a two person race in a state that has twice as many democrats as it does republicans. i think it played right into the
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hands of goff vernor newsom. it's not over yet. we don't flow know how it ends. i'm wondering what would have been the outcome if larry elder had never gotten into the race. he is going to say he was treated unfairly by the media. there was all this analysis on things he had said over the last three decades to the exclusion of focusing on gavin newsom. i expect that will be more what we will hear from him than claims of fraud in the election. if the polling is accurate, the margin won't be that close. it will be very, very difficult to lay it off on shenanigans. >> right. don't sell it short. put up the poll. it's such an appetizing idea for people on the right right now that there's fraud. 59% believe the big lie as a republican. i believe that's not as much about the substance as it is about the idea of belonging, and that they believe you have to believe that in order to be on
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that team. it's like a new thing, like believing the jets will be good this year. you know? you know it's not really true. you have to to consider yourself a fan. two things to me. i want your take on it. one, newsom was clever. newsom didn't talk about himself. he did wihat the democrats complain about. he bashed the other guy. we are calling it in the media natitionalizing the election. he said he is just another trump. they were playing that game of just bashing the other guy. it helped him. what does that mean? >> so, you are right about that. i think there was some additional strategy that frankly i got wrong and didn't understand at the outset when a couple of weeks ago the newsom campaign and the democratic leadership in california said to folks, don't even vote on question two. don't even vote. i thought, man, that's kind of nutty, because they are diluting
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the population who will pick a successor if on question one newsom goes down. i think that the strategy there, the psychology was to not even give heft to that huge field of candidates and then in the end to focus only on larry elder. to make the point, of course we're not going to get rid of gavin newsom. we're not going to have a conversation about the others. that elder guy, wow, would he be out of touch. may i say what really concerns me about the big lie and the spread of this as a strategy? that drew griffin piece, the package on cnn which puts together all the pieces of what went on in trump world post election. my big takeaway was how people on a local level -- the person that you go in when you are going to vote and there's a man or woman sitting there. they are getting paid nothing or next to nothing. they are all part of the integrity of the system. it's become so vicious that i worry that good people are going to say, the hell with it, i'm
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not getting involved. right now, they are saying, i'm not getting involved in a school board because i have to put up with these vax on bstn -- obsti people. >> larry elder rose to the top on the republican side in a big state of california. what that tells you about the party is probably everything you need to know. michael smerconish, it's good to have you, as always. value added. >> see you. thank you. lies and conspiracies have held back our pandemic fight. it's all part of the same toxic stew. now another influential voice in the anti-vax movement is dead from covid. another conservative radio host. these deaths did not have to
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happen. will they change the mind of any listeners who follow their lead? we will ask an insider in a conservative talk radio circuit, my man broom head is back. today let's paint with new behr dynasty™... so that you can be proud of your walls. where's your furniture? oh we thought it distracted from the new behr dynasty paint color. let me take your coats. because behr dynasty only takes... one. coat. behr dynasty. go ahead, throw your wine on it. what? stain repellent. it's also scuff resistant. you're paying for that! introducing behr dynasty™, the best of behr. exclusively at the home depot.
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a fifth right wing radio host who spoke out against the covid vaccines has died. after contracting the virus. he was a christian pastor. he called for a boycott of covid vaccines. a post, home to his radio show, explains why he and his wife refused to get the shot. bob and cheryl have sworn off taking the pfizer, moderna and johnson & johnson vaccines because as those firms admit,
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they tested the products on the cells of aborted babies. that's not true. his wife had been hospitalized with covid for more than a week, according to a post on their church's social media. these deaths don't have to happen. they can stop. i really, really hope nobody takes any measure of satisfaction in any way in reporting anything like this. all life matters. right? it's a tragedy for any family to go through this. but why? why are some conservative figures still pushing harmful anti-vaccine messages? let's get some perspective. my bud, mike broom head. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i don't flow know if you knes guy. i'm sorry we are seeing this.
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>> i didn't know any of them. it is very sad. >> absolutely. these are lives. life is hard enough without creating easy avenues to demise. why isn't it making any difference? >> i don't know that it isn't. i think that the divide in this country comes from not understanding each side of the argument. i can tell you here in the state of arizona where our governor has been adamant against mandates, as have i -- but when i our governor went to churches, synagogues, temples across arizona, the major ones and sat down and talked with them and said, listen, we are not going to force you to shut down, but we are asking you to comply, i don't know of a church in arizona that didn't comply. they wanted to be good stuardew in the community. they complied with what the government as law abiding citizens to be a good example for people around them.
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i can tell you an isolated example, as sad as this is, is just that. it's an isolated example. >> i hear you. we are talking about five hosts. in terms of the resonance, you say maybe it is sinking in. here is what i don't get about the anti-mandate thing. i don't fknow anybody who likes government telling you what to do. we have made this deal with the government. both of our kids get vaccinated. with all kinds of vaccines you don't know and i don't know anything about. they don't get to go to school if they don't. so we take them. now we're in the middle of a pandemic. people aren't taking the vaccine. people like us who took it, our lives are compromised as a tyranny of a minority. what other option is there? >> first of all, i want to make very clear, i got vaccinated the first opportunity. we had state farm stadium where the cardinals play. i went down in march at 2:00 in
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the morning on two separate occasions to get the pfizer vaccine. i'm fully vaccinated. we also know that there is a waiver form in schools for parents that haven't vaccinated their kids for years and years and years because we believe that with those vaccines, the kids that are at risk are the kids that aren't vaccinated. i think that there are reasonable people out there that have arguments that say, why would i get a vaccine that's been experimental until recently, only one of the three are approved by the fda? and then they go on to say other things about, i'm young and healthy and have a great of surviving. it's more of a reasoned decision to not get vaccinated. i'm not agreeing with it. i don't relegate those people to either bad citizens that they don't care and that they are -- they are horrible people or stupid. i think they are making a different decision than you and i. >> i'm with you. it's about the basis of it, especially because it reeks of
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politics. you have this overweighting on the right of people who are vaccine resistant. that has to have something to do with politics. otherwise it would be a weird metric to have. how is this not a law and order issue? this is what we need to do. you say you believe in that. >> it's not just people on the right. >> it's not just people on the right. but it's disproportionately people on the right. >> again, i think that when the government starts telling us what we have to inject into our bodies, i understand why people push back. i would -- again, i have my feet in two boats. i'm vaccinated. i would tell people i had absolutely no side effects. it worked well for me because of the life i live. i got vaccinated. i told other people that. what i would never do is presume to tell somebody else that i know what's best for them to put in their body. what i will say to this is about these five people that died that are anti-vax.
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everybody in my family, prior to my parents and including my parents for a while, were smokers. we have cancer that riddled my family. it was sad to see them die. nobody went to their funeral and pointed their finger and said, i told you so. it was sad that they went and they should have known better. that's why you and i lead a healthier lifestyle. i want to be 94 if i can. >> i hear you. that's why you can't spoke in a l -- you can't smoke in a lot of places. once it affects somebody else is, that's where the line is. it creates risk for others. i'm hearing you. i hope everybody takes this away. somebody who doesn't arrive at the same conclusion doesn't make them a bad person. once you talk to them and you figure out what their reason is, you may conclude, they are doing this out of politics, there's a consequence for what they do, rights come with responsibilities. the idea of dismissing everybody the same way is clearly gotten
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us in trouble. mike, i'm glad you are healthy. thank you for helping us understand the other side. appreciate you. >> i always appreciate you letting me speak my mind. you are a great guy. >> stay healthy. i will talk to you soon. broom head is a conservative. he values the integrity of information and the truth. that's why he tells you thinks he thinks he can verify. there are a lot of people, not him, putting out misinformation. that's a form of disease also. sadly, it is spread by leadership as well. there's evidence of this in a bizarre moment from today's senate hearing. a republican badgering secretary of state blinken, who by the way has tough questions to answer and he hasn't answered them all well, but nonsense about pressing a button to cut off biden. this is the kind of stuff that you have to take, expose and remove. next. we are go for launch. ♪
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lash #bolo. more republicans are buying into the lie there is a secret button pusher with the power to mute the president of the united states. here is anthony blinken about this. >> somebody in the white house has the authority to press the button and stop the president, cut off the president's speaking ability. who is that person? somebody has the ability to push the button and cut off his sound and stop him from speaking. who is that person? >> there is no such person. >> are you telling this committee that this does not happen, that there is no one in the white house who pushes the button and cuts him off mid sentence? >> that's correct. >> you're telling us you don't know anything about this, that somebody cuts him off in mid
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sentence? is that what you're telling this comm committee? >> senator, i'm telling you based on my experience with the president the last 20 years anyone who tried to stop him from saying what he wanted to say, speaking his mind would probably not be along for their job. >> what's the fact? the mute button that is referred to originates from an rnc tweet that hones in on a white house feed that cuts off as biden speaks to officials about the fire crisis out west. i guess it's true. wait. the rnc fails to point out that the moment is listed on the president's schedule as an out of town pool spray. what does that mean? one, it means my microphone is falling off. is somebody stopping me? no, just a mike falling off. it was planned. here is the point. the press pool following biden comes in briefly for pictures,
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then they're ushered out. standing operating procedure but the right has been building this lie for months. they'd rather it be something more like this. >> this presidency feels like a never ending silver alert except every day we wake up and realize that this missing senior citizen is actually living in the white house. as the country is being run into the ground but whoever is pulling his strings. you know why people are muting joe biden? joe biden can't talk about this. this is a walking cringe fest. >> this is guy that's clearly not doing well and now joe is clearly getting worse. >> look, it's ludicrous but it's dangerous. again, it was a pool spray and then they cut the sound. it happens all the time. there is no person. there is no button. even after this exchange with
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blinken, he went on trump tv to talk more b.s. >> from time to time his sound is cut off whether in the white house or other places. sometimes he's hustled off the stage where the media can't get answers. somebody needs to be in charge. >> i mean, listen, there are so many legitimate things to go after the side in power. why make things up? from the senior republican on the senate foreign relations committee, what a shame. at a hearing that should be about pressing blinen for real answers on a real crisis in afghanistan and his colleague josh hawley isn't doing him one better threatening to hold up every civilian nominee for the state and defense departments unless secretary lloyd austin, blinken and jake sullivan resign. look, accountability matters but the slow walk key pentagon officials when we need them most, i can't see how that keeps us safe.
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the sun is setting in california as a high stakes special election enters the final hours. voters are deciding whether to fire democratic governor gavin newsom or let him keep his job. welcome to our coverage of the california recall. i'm jake tapper in the cnn election center. we are standing by right now for the first results after polling places close at the top of the next hour. there are two questions on the ballot for californians. the firs
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