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cracking down on websites linked to navalny. according to the "times," they threatened to sremove them if i wasn't removed. thank you for joining us. don't forget you can watch "out front" anywhere on cnn go. anderson starts now. good evening, it is safe to say that no one tonight in the biden administration is saying thank god it's friday. for them it's been a brutal friday. in the space of just a few hours late today, the white house got unwelcome news on covid boosters and saw the secretary of defense admit that a drone strike in afghanistan, which was supposed to have targeted an isis-k terrorist actually killed an afghan aide worker, two adults and seven children, and were, in his words, a horrible mistake. on top of that, they find themselves in a diplomatic war with america's oldest ally,
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france. we begin with a highly anticipated recommendation on covid booster shots, which is not exactly what a lot of people had been expecting. third doses of pfizer vaccine not recommended for most people younger than 65 years old, only for seniors and others at high risk of illness. now, whatever the public health merits of today's decision, and we'll obviously discuss those with our health experts in just a moment, it certainly differs from what the administration has been signaling for weeks. it also comes as the country faces dire consequences of 2 million people not willing to get a second shot, no less a third. even though cases have started to taper off in florida, the state crossed a terrible milestone, 50,000 fatalities since the pandemic began. only texas, california and new york has lost more. in west virginia, a small state with a growing death toll. there was this today from the governor. >> 74 more people have died since wednesday, and they'll
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keep dying. that's all there is to it. we're going to run to the fire and get vaccinated right now, or we're going to pile the body bags up until we reach a point in time to where we have enough people that have natural immunities and enough people that are vaccinated. >> there is no reason for people to be dying in this country. we have access to vaccines. it will prevent people from dying. those are the stakes and they're sadly familiar. more now on the booster recommendations. joining us, chief medical exaadvise or -- advisor dr. gupta. >> there wasn't enough scientific evidence to support
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that was necessary to provide boosters for healthy people under the age of 65. that's been a concern for some time. even before this meeting, scientists have been going back and forth on this. as you point out, anderson, it seemed preordained that everyone was going to have a booster recommended for them, and the fda, their committee, at least, has recommended not to do that. so it's -- whether it happens in the future or not, maybe, i don't know. but at this point in time, the evidence just wasn't there. dr. paul offit, who you interviewed a bunch of times, sits on the committee. here's how he put it. >> we're being asked to approve this as a booster vaccine for people 65 years of age and older without clear evidence of a value to older people. >> instead of an approval to everyone 16 and older, what you got was an emergency use authorization for those 65 and older, people who are at high
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risk and health care workers. again, this is a recommendation from the committee. the fda usually listens to that, but that's the next step. >> dr. frieden, obviously in israel it's a different situation. they are giving out booster shots to people in a wide range of ages. why is that the wrong answer? >> israel is trying something extraordinary. they are trying to actually stop infections, control covid. we are a long way from that here. the reason our hospitals are filling up has nothing to do with the possibility that immunity from vaccine is waning. our hospitals are filling up with covid patients because people aren't getting a first and second dose of the covid vaccine. we need to reach the unvaccinated in this country and we also need to look around the world. because fundamentally we're faced with a decision that is ethically inexcusable but politically inevitable.
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we want to recommend what's best for everyone, but there isn't nearly enough vaccine for the world. that has nothing to do with the decision of the fda committee not to recommend this for healthy people between the ages of 16 and 65, but it is relevant for our ability to stop this pandemic from continuing to rule the world, which is what's going to happen until we ramp up vaccinations, not just in this country but globally also. >> sanjay, i think that's a really important point that he just made. i want to reiterate that. hospitals are filling up not because of breakthrough infections, not because people's immunity is waning. hospitals are filling up and people are dying because they ever not been vaccinated or vaccinated fully. >> uh-huh. absolutely. it's -- it's not even close, right? if you go to hospitals, around 95% of the covid patients there are unvaccinated. let me show you as well another point dr. frieden is making. if you look at israel as we have
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done throughout this pandemic. they're a bit ahead of us in terms of vaccinations in 65% of the country. they've been boosting since august, anderson, and they have some of the highest coronavirus case counts they've ever had throughout this entire pandemic right now. now, hospitalizations and deaths have not been as proportionally high, which is good. that's the focus of the vaccines. but remember this. even with high vaccinations and even some boosting, they still have high cases. that probably shouldn't be the metric. this is hospitalizations in this country. unvaccinated is the top line, and you can barely see the vaccinated line. that's the flat line near the bottom. that's about 5% of hospitalizations. and if you look at who are those breakthrough infections that actually end up being hospitalized, they are people typically who are 65 and older who have preexisting conditions. 87% of the ones in the hospital or who died are people 65 and older. that takes us right back to the beginning. that's why this decision makes the most sense.
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a muddy way to get there but it seems to make the most sense. >> dr. gupta, the medical association calling this a step forward. it's been a messy process, to say the least. the white house planning a booster rollout this monday, on the 20th. do you think that underscores the fda's opinion of the white house for people who are concerned these are political decisions, that this is something the administration has their thumb on. the fda essentially is not doing what the white house anticipated they would. >> i think it's encouraging that we're following the science, and i think that's been the general approach of this white house. we also need to recognize that just as we're saying that it's not the waning that's causing hospitalizations, it's the lack of vaccination, even a first and second dose that's causing this. at the same time delta is really infectious. and even in communities with lots of vaccination, you have to also take care to avoid the spread of covid.
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otherwise not only will we have death and dislocation and disruption, but our kids won't be able to stay in school learning. there is a lot at stake here. lives are at stake, jobs, our economy, our livelihoods are at stake and our kids' ability to learn in person. that means a multi-layered system. vaccinate everyone who can be vaccinated, mask up indoors where covid may be spreading and increase ventilation, testing and support for people with covid so we can stop covid. we can control it so that it isn't controlling our lives. >> sanjay, can a person now 65 or older, or who is in a high risk category, just go out and get a booster now at a pharmacy? should they wait for six to eight months? and what about people who received moderna and johnson & johnson, should they get a dose of pfizer? >> this was purely for pfizer today, so that's what this particular advisory committee is recommending for pfizer, people who received two doses of the pfizer in the past.
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technically it does not cover moderna or johnson & johnson. as you know, a lot of people are getting boosters, anyway, so it's a loose guideline, anyway. some doctors and farmpharmaciste going ahead and giving these boosters. but there is a process. the fda has to take the committee's recommendation. the cdc is meeting next week. dr. frieden used to run the cdc. he knows better how that would work, but i think it's on their agenda to say, okay, we officially recommend this to the population. define more precise the what it means to have a risky illness, who are those people. we'll hear a formal recommendation from the cdc. but to be clear, anderson, i think some 2 million people, more than that, have gotten boosters already just because they went out and asked for them. some were immunocompromised but some people were just worried.
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>> doctor, what do you recommend for people out there? >> let's see what the cdc says. there are complicated decisions to be made here. it's only pfizer that's been recommended. there is emerging evidence that maybe moderna is a little more effective than pfizer. there are a lot of people who got j&j. they probably should be getting an mrna dosage as a follow-up to be better protected. these are complicated issues, and what's important is independent, scientific, regulatory bodies look at this, transparently look at the data. it's incredible how the committees work. it's all public. you can see every consideration that's being had. it's not a company trying to sell more vaccine. it's scientific experts, pediatricians, internists and infectious disease specialists coming up with the best decision to guide doctors and other clinicians around the u.s. >> sanjay and tom frieden, appreciate it. next, the administration
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which said the drone strike was built as a lifesaver to k kill terrorists did not work. a missing woman and currently two are not talking, ahead.
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compared to where i was three years ago, i'm kinda killing it. ♪ as we mentioned at the top, this afternoon saw a rare admission from the pentagon, mainly that the military made a severe mistake and ten people died. considering the drone strike in kabul, the head of command had this to say. >> i offer my condolences to family and friends who were killed. this strike was taken with the belief that it would provide imminent threat to our forces at the airport. but it was a mistake and i offer my sincere apology. as combatant and commander, i am
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fully responsible for this strike and the outcome. >> this was a strike days ago at the kabul airport which killed 17 service members and ten afghans. after conducting an investigation and a lot of investigation by reporters, it admitted the assessment was wrong. anna suarez reporting. >> translator: i saw my father lying in the car. there was shrapnel on his chest, everywhere. blood was flowing from his ears. but the strike didn't just take out the 43-year-old father. according to the family, two other men were also killed, along with seven children, three of whom were children. our children were in such a state that we tried to identify them from the hands, ears or nose. none of them had their hands and feet intact in any one place.
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themp all in pieces. chunks of hair, body parts were taken to the morgue. one lies in a gurney as a relative strokes his face. ten coffins filled with only partial remains, the names written in black marker, the only distinguishable feature. >> joining us now, analyst and general mark hurtling. general, those images are horrific. how did something like this happen? obviously given the fact the u.s. didn't have the assets on the ground that they once had, does this happen all the time and we just don't know about it? >> anderson, i wouldn't say it
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happens all the time. first of all, i mean, you used the right word. war is horrific and the most horrific part of war is when innocent people are hurt or killed because of mistakes. i think what we see sometimes, what the american public sees, are the perfect precision strike weapons -- and we do this to ourselves from the military perspective. we show these great bonds hitting strong on a target. the films we show imply there's perfect intelligence and unrealistic expectation of precision strike weapons. but that's just not true. there are problems when strike weapons occur and there is a myth of perfect intelligence in combat. now, it's unreal what we can do with some of our technology. but the films and the belief that this is something like a
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video game just isn't true. it doesn't happen all the time. it happens rarely. unfortunately, it happened in this case. i had an incident,. my worst day ever in combat was a mistake like this where an innocent man was killed because of bad targeting information. yeah, commanders live with this and it does happen because it is combat. >> it seems like when you look at sort of the details of this kind of, you know, one of the people was driving around in multiple spots. this was after -- this was just two days after the suicide bombing at the kabul airport. they saw a vehicle being loaded with things. it seems like it was water bottles, not explosives as they thought. it seems like an initial determination was made and then a whole bunch of decisions were made based on the initial determination, which was faulty, that this person was an isis-k terrorist. then everything they did that day over the next several hours
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looked suspicious, and that was the base assumption. >> yeah. and what we warn our commanders about, what we warn our soldiers about, what you've just described as cognitive dissonance, believing that what you're seeing is exactly what you want to see. that's the hardest part when you have such great technology. you get caught up in believing that you have the right target, that the intel the day before said, be wary of a white toyota pickup truck that you just had a strike that's killed 13 american soldiers and literally hundreds of afghan civilians. so you know the intel is saying one thing is about to happen. you know just what happened days before. you put the two and two together and you say, hey, i'm going to be on the lookout for a white toyota pickup truck, and as soon as it meets any kind of description of what you anticipate the intelligence told
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you to anticipate, the feeling is, hey, i've got to protect my force at any cost. and sometimes you make a bad decision. so, you know, what i was saying about intel sometimes is wrong, cognitive dissonance is wrong, perfect intelligence is never there. the fact that we can strike any target at any given time all play a part. you still have human beings in the loop. and it's someone making a decision to say strike, and that's where problems occur. >> also, i mean, the u.s. military did sort of continue to maintain this had been an accurate strike until there was a lot of reporting by news organizations, and then which they admit they actually used in their investigation to come to this determination. the biden administration has touted this, quote, robust over the horizon capability now in afghanistan with the idea that we have such great capabilities, you know, i guess which is an argument try to lessen the fact
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we no longer have boots on the ground, eyes on the ground in the same way that we did. this certainly does, though, raise questions about our ability to actually have the capabilities without people on the ground, without better intelligence. >> it depends, anderson. what i would suggest to you is, yes, you're absolutely right and i've been saying this from the beginning. the touting of an over the horizon capability comes with a caveat. it may be an over the horizon capability for major targets. but because you don't have the kind of intelligence collection that we used to have in afghanistan, that we were feeding to the forces on the ground, both u.s. and afghan forces. you're not going to be able to strike all of the targets. but you may still be able to strike because of specific strategic intelligence some of the big targets, the financers.
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i asked them to tell me how many suicide bombs they put off in afghanistan. they said they were 220 suicide bombs we put out this year. do we really have to focus on the strategic attacks with this over the horizon capability? >> i appreciate it. thank you. in a minute we'll check in with the white house to see how president biden is handling what has been a rough week for his presidency. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting. growing up in a little red house,
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as i reported, it has been a tough week for biden and his administration. the fda fell short for a booster shot for those who are already vaccinated. he suggested we would all be rolling up our sleeves in the days to come. >> the plan is for every adult to get a booster shot eight months after you got your second shot. pending approval from the food and drug administration, the
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cdc's committee of outside experts will be ready to start this booster program during the week of september 20, at which time anyone vaccinated on or before january 20 will be eligible to get a booster shot. just remember, as a simple rule. eight months after your second shot, get a booster shot. >> well, that is not the case now. clearly the fda did not approve that. other problems the administration has had as well this week, as we reported earlier, the admission by the u.s. military killing 10 afghans in a drone strike. and now the ambassador is talking about a security pack in the united states and australia. how much was this a surprise to the administration on boosters? how much of a surprise was it? >> anderson, it was a surprise because the white house is
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generally in control of most things. the president, you heard him say there, after september 20 americans can get a third shot. that's simply not the case. if you're 65 or older, you can, but for a vast amount of americans, they cannot. this was curious when he announced this a month ago. y why was the white house getting ahead of the fda? that question still is not answered. now the fda is saying those 65 and older can get it. this is not what the white house wanted, they wanted to encourage others to get the third shot. they certainly are not in control of a policy like this, the fda is. >> in kabul the president was clearly briefed on it. he touted it as a success of u.s. intelligence when it happened. the military said, well, there were secondary explosions which were likely explosive devices.
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they now believe those may have been the gas tank or propane tank in the courtyard. what are they saying about this? >> well, president biden is saying nothing about this, anderson. we do know he was briefed early today at the white house before leaving washington to go spend the week at his beach home in r rohobeth, delaware. the u.s. was in charge of those drone strikes. this is probably the worst bad news for the white house, the tragic killing of 10 civilians there. certainly it raises questions about the drone program going forward. as of now, the white house has been absolutely silent on this. >> and also the rare move for france to call their ambassador to the u.s. >> yes, this is very bizarre, almost, that there would be a row between the biden administration and the french government. that's exactly what has happened. never in modern times as the
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french government recalled its ambassador which means send him back to paris with consultations with the president, andrew macron, all over that deal with australia. they believe they were blindsided by the biden administration. we're learning that the secretary of state and others are trying to smooth this over with france, but anderson, this is certainly a very unusual disagreement spilling out in public with a very close ally. all of this coming into next week as a meeting of the united states general assembly when all leaders will be focused on diplomacy, so certainly one of the most difficult fridays, i would say, for this president. anderson? >> jeff zeleny, thank you so much. we'll get perspective now from maggie haber man, washington correspondent with the "new york times." how do you think he's navigating all these fires?
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specifically the drone issue, clearly there have been a lot of concerns raised about civilian deaths of drone strikes over the 20 years the u.s. has been involved in afghanistan. >> the drone strike is terrible. it's a tragedy. it involves not just up to 10 civilians but seven children in that group of people, so it is deeply problematic as a catastrophe, a human catastrophe. it's also problem aatic for the white house, not just because of the drone program, but it reminds people about the chaos and withdrawal of afghanistan which they hoped to move past and believed the public did not care. we'll see if the public cares here, but it certainly is a problem. then you have the fda issue. >> it's certainly a problem for the future of events in afghanistan and what the administration was saying, well, we have these over-the-horizon capabilities. we weren't able to get a drone
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strike right in kabul where u.s. forces were still at the airport and where they did have some intelligence capabilities. >> anderson, i think they've been trying to say, the administration, today that this was not part of the over-the-horizon capabilities, it was something different. i think when they announced this drone strike they called it over-the-horizon capabilities. it does raise questions about the kind of intelligence gathering, operations that will take place going forward now that the troop withdrawal has been completed. the fundamental fact the strike was described one way to the public and it turned out to be something else, and it was revealed to be something else by the administration after cnn and the "new york times" and possibly media outlets reported on what had really happened. i don't know that they would have talked about what happened without those reports. >> there's no doubt about that. it also, again, raises questions about how many drone strikes have taken place where people were killed and what the military said about them, you
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know, had there been reporters able to do the kind of investigations that the "new york times," cnn and others were able to do, how many of those drone strikes would have turned out to other organizations which looked at the high number of civilian casualties. it's just an important thing to think about given there's been 20 years of drone strikes in afghanistan. let's turn to the former president asking about candidate gonzalez saying he won't seek reelection. he was one of the ten presidents willing to impeach the former president earlier this year. his statement read in part, while it's my desire to build a family life, it's true that politics and the toxic dynamics around parties is a significant factor in my decision. he called the president a cancer for the country. obviously the former president responded. you say this is how trump wins, in small increments. >> i did say that and i think that it is true. i think you're looking at trump trying to take out one by one -- i don't think he's going to have
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total success, but he will have some success -- republicans who voted against him on impeachment. he is able to do that because he has complete control over the primary process right now in various states, and he has control over many of the primary voters. there are a lot of people who have said they don't want to see him as president again. with the republican electorate, i think it's about half. that doesn't mean they object to candidates in knees dthese dist but i think you have to hear why he said he was leaving. it's not just for his family, he claims he was facing threats, he claims his family was facing threats. that is a new modern political moment that donald trump helped usher in and as used to his advantage and to help candidates who he likes. that's what you're seeing here. it will not stop, it's going to continue. >> it's fascinating, though, because when you have no morals and you are relentless and
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shameless, you can wear down everybody else around you over time, because you are willing to do things that people who have a spine or people who have some sense of shame or morals are not willing to do, which is one of the great strengths of the former president to be completely shameless and essen essentially immoral. >> i have said before when you are shameless about how you conduct yourself in public life, it is an edge, because if you have a willingness and something of a glee in reveling and grinding the opposition down, you are probably going to level the opposition. what does that mean personally or politically? it certainly means he remains a force, he remains a leader of the republican party, and those who want to tell themselves that's not the case right now are kidding themselves.
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the second time in as many weeks, the insurrectionists were sent to jail.
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toni bauer was already not abiding to conditions of her release. that was before the judge ordered her into custody. she tried to force her way past police in the capitol rotunda, telling officers, bring nancy pelosi out here now. we want to hang that f-ing bitch. now the capitol is bracing for people like her. walk us through some of the security preparations for this thing tomorrow. >> anderson, you can see behind me this black fence. this wraps all the way around the capitol. this was put up late wednesday night. this is something that isn't normally here and it's also something that wasn't in place ahead of the january 6 rally. this is probably the most visible sign of police. a ton of local law enforcement are ready to serve as backup as
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well. capitol police were telling us they are preparing for the worst. but they also said they're very confident that they will be able to pull this off safely. in fact, at one point the capitol police chief tom major described their activity tomorrow as almost an opportunity for them to practice, to employ all these new security precautions that they have put in place in the wake of the january 6 rally. i talked to one senior law enforcement official who kind of downplayed this group that is rallying here tomorrow saying that they never had drawn a crowd of more than 100 people at some of their other events and they expect the crowd here to be less than 1,000 people. this is more a show of force by capitol police and law enforcement here in washington, d.c. to show they're not going to tolerate what happened on january 6 ever again, that they're going to put the resources in place to keep the same thing from happening. anderson, something as simple as having this fence in place will
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go a long way from anything serious happening tomorrow. >> you know, this may be very overblown. this might just be a small number of people who have shown up to this thing. as we discussed, law enforcement at this stage has to take it seriously, though. >> that's absolutely right. the job of law enforcement is to prepare for the worst, and they've clearly done that in this situation. i have to tell you, anderson, it's almost a little bit frustrating for me having participated in so many of these events. national security special events like ninaugerations and special addresses. they do this just as you're seeing now. they come in and back each other
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up, the right resources are on the ground, the communication is there. it all raises the question as to why did that not happen in the lead-up to january 6? that's not really relevant for tomorrow. it looks like tomorrow we're in good shape, but obviously we'll see how it goes. >> obviously, even compared to -- as has been reported, compared to the preparation for black lives matter protests the previous summer, the response was extraordinarily different, so obviously a lot of questions on why that was remain. >> that's right. >> you can plan for all types of contingencies. then again, there is -- it takes one person to do something -- just this week a guy showed up near the democratic national committee headquarters with a b bayonet and machete pointed at law enforcement, and when you think of the capitol attack, there was still a person
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planting pipe bombs who is out there. >> that's absolutely right. you do your preparations for the crowd that you anticipate, but the wild card or the lone actors, the so-called lone wolves. so we have our attempted capitol hill bomber who placed two incendiary devices in front of the rnc and the dnc on january 6. that person has not been apprehended yet. in the last few weeks we had an individual who tried to crash his vehicle through the gates and ended up killing a capitol police officer. we had an individual who droefr -- drove up and threatened to blow up a bomb in his vehicle. it looked like he didn't have one, but nonetheless. so this message about rallying for the people who stormed the capitol on january 6 is resonating with that extremist community, and it only takes one person to bring an explosive device or weapons or that sort of thing to a crowd to really turn it into a very violent incident. so we're not out of the woods.
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>> given your history in law enforcement, does it surprise you that the alleged pipe bomber has not been apprehended? it's just on paper without looking at any of the details, to think that somebody in this day and age could plant devices in washington, d.c. near the capitol at, you know, locations of note and still be out there, it's kind of extraordinary, isn't it? >> it really is, especially when you see the video coverage that the fbi has released in the wake of that attempt. so this individual was caught on video surveillance from residences and businesses in the area, so there's lots of i mage of him, just not enough to identify him. historically if you look back at bombers, the cases are built against them by their multiple attempts at bombing.
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so it's the forensics you collect off of those devices that typically lead you to those people. if this is his first run at these things, which it might have been because they certainly didn't work, we may be having to wait until he tries it again. >> come to think of it, it reminds me there was a bombing in new york years and years ago at a u.s. recruitment center, i think it was, somebody rode up on a bicycle, and i think that still is unsolved. >> it's still unsolved. >> andrew mccabe, thank you very much. i appreciate it. coming up next, breaking news involving the investigation of a missing 22-year-old florida woman. a live report on us the home of her fiance when we continue. yeah. stay restless with the rx. crafted by lexus. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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breaking news to report at this hour in the case of the missing 22-year-old florida woman, gabby petito. police outside the home of her fiance. investigators previously have indicated they believe he is withholding critical information. randi kaye joins us now from florida. randi is outside brian laundrie's family home. so, what's going on? >> anderson, it's been quite a scene here all night. the police from north port police here showed up about 6:30 this evening. so they have been here well over a couple hours. a group of them just left. there is also a lot of protestors here, neighbors yelling at the house, where is gabby? so we have been here now for a couple of hours. and it turns out that the -- the laundrie family attorney called north port police, and said that brian laundrie's parents, the fiance in this case, would like to talk with you. so, they came over. they have been inside talking with the parents. apparently, the chief says he is telling cnn that brian laundrie is not in this house. but they were going in and out
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of the house. several officers for quite some time now carrying some paperwork. they also looked very closely at a car that is in the driveway. so certainly, looking for answers, looking for clues. but the search for gabby petito continues. >> hello, hello, and good morning. it is really nice and sunny today. >> reporter: 22-year-old gabby petito in happier times. documenting her travels with her fiance cross country on social media. gabby petito never goes outside. but along the way, the trip turned into something else. >> we have just been fighting this morning. some personal issues. >> reporter: police in moab, utah, released this body-cam video after someone called them august 12th to report disorderly conduct involving gabby and her fiance, brian laundrie. the police report noted the couple engaged in some sort of altercation. gabby told police she struggled
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with ocd. >> and he wouldn't let me in the car before. >> why wouldn't he let you in the car? because of your ocd? >> he told me i needed to calm down. yeah. but i'm perfectly calm. >> reporter: the police report described her as confused and emotional and manic. the officers didn't file any charges but suggested the couple separate for the night. >> yes, there was a disturbance. yes, it was captured on body camera, their interaction with law enforcement. but beyond that, you know, i don't know what it has to do with the disappearance. >> reporter: it all began on july 2nd when the couple set out from new york in gabby's converted white 2012 ford transit van with florida plates. their plan, according to police, was to drive all the way to yellowstone national park but they never made it. we have also learned gabby was reportedly last seen at the salt lake city hotel on august 24th. that same day, the family's attorney says she facetimed with her mom. telling her she was leaving utah and heading to the grand tetons.
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the following day, gabby texted multiple times with her mom, likely from the grand tetons. on august 30th, a final text from gabby's phone. though, the attorney says her family doubts she actually wrote it. then, on september 1, her fiance showed up at the home he and gabby shared with his parents in north port, florida, in gabby's white van. ten days later, on september 11th, gabby's family reported her missing. >> two people went on a trip. one person returned, and that person that returned isn't providing us any information. >> reporter: gabby's family is desperate for answers. >> whatever you can do to make sure my daughter comes home, i'm asking for that help. there's nothing else that matters to me now. this -- this girl right here -- this is what matters. that is it. >> reporter: brian laundrie, gabby's fiance, isn't talking. he's hired a lawyer, and has not spoken with gabby's family or
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police. his own sister told abc she hasn't even spoken with her brother. >> all i want is for her to come home safe and sound and this to be just a big misunderstanding. >> reporter: cassie laundrie told abc her brother and gabby had been known to fight. >> typical of both of them. whenever they'd fight, they would take a little break and come back. and be fine. >> reporter: the fbi in denver has also joined the search. aiding fbi and local authorities in wyoming and utah. but as the hours and days tick by, the search for answers grows. and doubts are beginning to creep in. >> my gut tells me that something bad happened. and i'm never -- i'm never going to be able to hold my baby girl, again. >> reporter: right now, it is still a missing-person investigation since police have no evidence of a crime. >> we don't know what happened. you know? we don't know where she's at. um, we don't know if a crime's
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been committed. >> and, randi, if the fiance isn't there at the house, do police know where he is? >> no, that's the thing, anderson. as -- as you said, the chief had said he's not here. well, they are talking to the parents. but they -- he is saying they also don't know where brian laundrie is. and this really is still a missing person case. he hasn't been charged with a crime so they can't question him. but of course, they also don't know where gabby petito is. his fiancee. so, they are certainly looking at every avenue to try and find her. the question is was she with brian laundrie when he came back here? he brought her van back here to the family home. was she with him for any part of that journey? or is she somewhere in the grand tetons or elsewhere, anderson? >> randi, appreciate it. thank you. still to come. investigating the origins of covid. details on dr. sanjay gupta's special report, next. this is the sound of better breathing.
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quick programming note. don't miss dr. sanjay gupta's special report sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern, origins of covid-19, searching for the source. sanjay looks at the leading theories and talks to scientists who spent decades studying viruses to try to uncover what's known about the origins of the virus that launched this global pandemic and changed our lives forever. again, that's 8:00 p.m. eastern, sunday night, right here on cnn. news continues. want to hand it over to chris for cro"cuomo prime time." we just got new information. tonight, we are being haunted by the unknown. and we have a big development in the case of that missing new york woman, gabby petito. at this hour, according to police and according to an attorney for the fiance's family, they don't know where gabby petito's fiance now is, brian laundrie. they don't know where he is. we have the developments, and we will get to the police. and we will piece together where we are now and what this could