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friday. in the space of just a few hours, late today, the white house got unwelcome news on covid boosters. the secretary of defense admit that a drone strike in afghanistan that was supposed to have targeted an isis-k terrorist actually killed an afghan aid worker, two other adults, and seven children, and was in his words a horrible mistake. and on top of that, the administration suddenly finds itself in the middle of a diplomatic war with america's oldest ally, france. so there is a lot to get to tonight. we begin with the fda advisory panel's highly anticipated recommendation on covid booster shots which was not exactly what a lot of people had been expecting. third doses not recommended for most people younger than 65 years old. only for seniors and others at high risk of illness. now, whatever the public-health merits of today's decision and we will obviously discuss those with our health experts in just a moment. it certainly differs from what the administration has been signaling for weeks. it also comes as the country faces the dire consequences of too many people not even willing to get a first shot, let alone a
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third. nationwide, deaths are now averaging more than 1,800 a day and even though cases have finally started tapering off in florida, the state today crossed a terrible milestone. 50,000 fatalities since the pandemic began. only texas, california, and new york has lost more. and in west virginia, a small state with a growing death toll, there was this today from the governor. >> 74 more people have died since wednesday, and they'll keep dying. that's all there is to it. we're going to run to the fire and get vaccinated right now. or we're gonna pile the body bags up until we reach a point in time to where we have enough people that have natural immunities and enough people that are vaccinated. >> there is no reason for people to be dying in this country. you have access to vaccines. the -- it will prevent people from dying. those are the stakes, and they are sadly familiar. more now on the booster recommendations. joining us, cnn chief medical
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correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. also, former cdc director, dr. tom frieden. sanjay, so the original vote was whether or not to approve a pfizer-booster dose for ages 16 and up. why did the committee vote no on that question, not to recommend that? and do you think it's something they may vote yes on in the future? >> well, in terms of the first question, i think the -- um -- there just wasn't enough scientific evidence to support that that was necessary to -- to provide boosters for healthy people under the age of 65. you know, that -- that's been the concern for some time. i mean, i think even before this meeting today, scientists have been going back and forth on this. and as you point out, anderson, it seems preordained that everyone was going to have a booster, you know, recommended for them. and the fda has -- their committee at least has advised not to do that. has recommended not to do that. so it's -- it's -- um -- whether it happens in the future or not, maybe. i don't know. but at this point in time, the evidence just wasn't there. dr. paul offit, who you have interviewed a bunch of times, sits on the committee. here's how he put it.
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>> we are being asked to approve this as a three-dose vaccine for people 16 years of age and -- and older without any clear evidence in the third dose for a younger person when compared to an elderly person as a value. the risks may outweigh the benefits. >> so instead of an approval for everyone 16 and older, anderson, what you got was an emergency-use authorization for those 65 and older. people who are at high risk and -- and healthcare workers. again, this is a recommendation from the committee. the fda usually listens to that but that's the next step. >> dr. frieden, obviously, in israel, it's a different situation. they are giving now booster shots to people of -- in a wide range of ages. why is that the wrong answer? >> israel is trying something extraordinary. they are trying to actually stop infections, control covid. we are a long way from that here. the reason our hospitals are filling up has nothing to do
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with the possibility that immunity from vaccines is waning. our hospitals are filling up with covid patients because people aren't getting a first and second dose of the covid vaccine. we need to reach the unvaccinated in this country. and we also need to look around the world because fundamentally, we are faced with a decision that is ethically inexcusable but politically inevitable. we do want to recommend what's best for americans. but the fact is we're in a zero-sum situation. there isn't nearly enough vaccine for the world. that has nothing to do with the decision of the fda committee not to recommend this for healthy people between the ages of 16 and 65. but it is relevant for our ability to stop this pandemic from continuing to -- to rule the world which is what's going to happen until we ramp up vaccinations not just in this country but globally, also. >> sanjay, i think that is a really important point that he just made that i just wanted to reiterate. hospitals are filling up not
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because of breakthrough infections, not because people's immunity is waning. hospitals are filling up and people are dying because they have not been vaccinated or vaccinated fully. >> yeah. uh-huh. absolutely. i mean, it -- it -- it's pretty -- it's not even close, right? i mean, if you go to hospitals, around 95% of the covid patients there are unvaccinated. let -- let me show you. another point dr. frieden is making. if you look at israel which we have done from, you know, throughout this pandemic. they are a bit ahead of us in terms of vaccination. some 65% of the country. they have been boosting since august, anderson, and they have some of the i highest coronavirus case counts that they have ever had throughout this entire pandemic right now. now, hospitalizations and -- and deaths have not been as proportionally high which is good. that's the -- that's the focus of the vaccines. but remember this. you know, even with high vaccinations and even some boosting, they still have high cases. that probably shouldn't be the metric. this is hospitalizations in this country.
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unvaccinated is the top line and you can barely see the vaccinated line. that's the flat line near the bottom. that's about 5% of hospitalizations. and if you look at who are those breakthrough infections that end up actually being hospitalized? they are people, typically, who are 65 and older, who have pre-existing conditions. 87% of the ones who are in the hospital or died were people who are 65 or older. so that's -- that takes us right back to the beginning. that's why this decision makes the most sense. muddy way to get there. but it seems to make the most sense. >> so, dr. frieden, tonight, the white house calling today's decision a, quote, important step forward. as you know, it's certainly been a messy process to say the least. the white house planning, you know, a booster rollout starting on this monday, september 20th, that caused a lot of problems. do you think what happened today underscores the -- the fda's independent of the white house for people who are concerned that, you know, these are political decisions? that this is something that the administration has their thumb on? the fda cenessentially is not dg
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what the white house anticipated they would. >> i think it's encouraging that we are following the science. and i think that's been the general approach of this white house. we also need to recognize that just as we are saying that it's not the waning that's causing the hospitalization, it's the lack of vaccination even of first and second dose that's causing this. at the same time, delta is really infectious and even in communities with lots of vaccination, you have to also take care to avoid spread of covid. otherwise, not only will we have death and dislocation and disruption, but our kids won't be able to stay in school learning. there is a lot at stake here. lives are at stake. jobs, our economy, our livelihoods are at stake, and our kids' ability to learn in person and that means a multi-layered system. vaccinate everyone who can be vaccinated. mask up indoors where covid may be spreading. and increase ventilation, testing, and support for people with covid so we can stop covid. we can control it so that it isn't controlling our lives. >> so, sanjay, can a person now
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65 or older or who is in a high-risk category just go out and get a booster now at a pharmacy? should -- should they wait for six to eight months? and what about people who received moderna or johnson & johnson and are over 65, should they get a dose of pfizer? >> yeah. first of all, this was purely for pfizer today and -- and so that's what this particular advisory committee is recommending, for pfizer. for people who received two doses of the pfizer in the past. so it technically does not cover moderna or johnson & johnson. as you know, a lot of people have been getting boosters, anyway. so, you know, it is a little bit of a loose sort of guideline there. some pharmacists and doctors are going ahead and giving some of these boosters. but to answer your question, there is a process. the fda still has to actually take the -- the advisory committee's recommendation. actually, emergency-use authorize these boosters. and then, the cdc meeting next week. dr. frieden used to run the cdc. he knows better than most how that would work. but -- but i think on their
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agenda will be to say, okay, now we officially recommend this to the population. define more precisely what it means to have a risk of severe illness. who are those people? healthcare workers may be part of that authorization, as well. so we will hear that a formal recommendation from the cdc but to be clear, anderson, i think some 2 million people, more than that, have gotten boosters already just because they went out and asked for them. some of them, immune compromised but some of them just people who are worried. >> dr. frieden, what do you recommend for -- for people out there? >> let's see what cdc says. there are complicated decisions to be made here. it's only, as sanjay says, pfizer that's been recommended. there is emerging evidence that maybe moderna is a little bit more effective than pfizer. there are a lot of people who got j&j. they probably should get an mrna dosage as a followup to be better protected. these are complicated issues and what's important is that independent scientific expert regulatory bodies and advisory bodies look at this.
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transparently, look at the data. i it's encouraging the way both the fda and cdc committees work. it is all public. you can see every consideration that's being had. it's not a company trying to sell a vaccine. it's internists, infectious disease specialists, coming up with the best decision to guide doctors and other clinicians around the u.s. >> yeah. sanjay, tom frieden, appreciate it thanks. coming up next, the administration admitting that the drone strike which was billed as a lifesaver, killing a terrorist was, in fact, the worst mistake imaginable in wartime. later, a couple went on a trip. only one of the two returned and so far he is not talking. now, there is new information in the case. we will bring it to you, ahead. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo...
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had this to say. >> i offer my profound condolences to the family and friends of those who were killed. this strike was taken in the earnest belief that it would prevent an imminent attack. as combatant commander, i am fully responsible for this strike and this tragic outcome. >> well, the strike was launched days after the -- an isis-k suicide bombing at the kabul airport which as you remember killed 13 u.s. service members and more than 170 afghans. now, central command, initially, said that the targeted car was carrying explosives. now, after conducting an investigation and a lot of investigation by reporters, it admits that the assessment was wrong. cnn's anna coren reported on the strike, and the questions surrounding it. here is a small portion of it which comes with a warning, it's not easy to watch. >> reporter: i saw my father lying in the car. there was shrapnel in his chest,
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throat, everywhere. blood was flowing through his e ears. but the strike didn't just take out the 43-year-old father. according to the family, two other men were also killed along with seven children. three of whom were toddlers. our children were in such a state that we tried to identify them from their hands, ears, or nose, says the cousin. none of them had their hands or feet intact any one place. they were all in pieces. charred body parts, pieces of skull with chunks of hair, and a foot melted into a sandal were among the remains taken to the morgue. zamarai's 2-year-old nephew lies on a gurney as a relative gently strokes his face. ten coffins filled with only partial remains. their names written in black marker. the only distinguishable feature. >> joining us now is cnn
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military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. g general hertling, obviously, i mean, those images are horrific. what -- how does something like this happen? obviously, you know, given the fact that the u.s. doesn't have the assets or didn't have the assets on the ground that they once had -- um -- is this -- does this happen all the time and we just don't know about it? >> anderson, i -- i wouldn't say it happens all the time. first of all, i mean, you -- you used the right word. war is horrific and the most horrific part of war is when innocent people are hurt or killed because of mistakes. i think what we see sometimes -- what the american public sees -- are the perfect precision strike weapons when -- and we do this to ourselves from the military perspective. we show these great bombs hitting smack on a target. they are always the -- the -- the films we show always imply
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that there's perfect intelligence and -- and unrealistic -- unrealistic expectation of precision-strike weapons but that's just not true. there are problems when strike weapons occur, and there is a myth of perfect intelligence in combat. now, it's -- it's -- it's unreal what we can do with some of our technology. but the films and the belief that this is something like a video game just isn't true. it doesn't happen all the time. it -- it happens rarely. unfortunately, it happened in this case. i had an incident. my worst day ever in combat was a mistake like this where an innocent man was killed because of bad targeting information. so, yeah, commanders live with this. and it -- and it does happen because it is combat. >> it -- it seems like -- i mean, when you look at sort of the details of this kind of -- you know, one of the people was driving around at multiple spots.
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this was after, you know -- this was just two days after the suicide bombing at the kabul airport. they saw a vehicle being loaded with things. seems like it was water bottles, not explosives as they thought. it -- it seems like an initial determination was made, and then a whole bunch of decisions were made based on the initial determination which was faulty that this person was an isis-k terrorist. and then, everything they did that day over the next several hours looks suspicious once that was the base assumption. >> yeah. and -- and what we warn our commanders about, what we warn our soldiers about, what you have just described is cognitive dissidence. believing that what you are seeing is exactly what you want to see. that's the hardest part when you have such great technology. and you get caught up in believing that you have the right target, that the intel the day before said be weary of a white toyota pickup truck.
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that you've just had a strike that's killed 13 american soldiers, and literally hundreds of afghan civilians. so you know the intel is saying one thing is about to happen. you know just what happened days before. you put the two and two together and you say, hey, i'm gonna be on the lookout for a white toyota pickup truck and as soon as it meets any kind of description of what you anticipate, the intelligence told you to anticipate, the feeling is, hey, i've got to protect my force at any cost. and sometimes, you make a bad decision. so, you know, what i was saying about intel sometimes is wrong. cognitive dissidence is wrong. perfect intelligence is never there. the fact that we can strike any target at any given time all play a part. you still have human beings in the loop. >> yeah. >> and it's someone making a decision to say strike. and that's where problems occur. >> well also, i mean, the u.s.
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military did sort of continue to maintain this had been an accurate strike. really, until there was a lot of reporting by news organizations and then -- which they admit they actually used in their investigation to come to this determination. the -- the biden administration has touted, you know, this, quote, robust over-the-horizon capability now in afghanistan and the idea that we have such great capabilities. it -- you know, i guess, which is an argument to try to lessen the fact we no longer have boots on the ground, eyes on the ground in the same way that -- that we did. this certainly does, though, raise questions about our ability to actually have an over-the-horizon capabilities without people on the ground. without better intelligence. >> yeah. it -- it depends, anderson. what i'd suggest to you is, yes, you're absolutely right. and i've been saying this from the beginning. the touting of an over-the-horizon capability comes with a caveat. it may be an over-the-horizon capability for major targets.
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but because you don't have the kind of intelligence collection that we used to have in afghanistan, that we were feeding to the forces on the ground, both u.s. and afghan forces, you're not going to be able to strike all of the targets. but you may still be able to strike because of specific strategic intelligence, some of the big targets. the financiers, the head of cells, the -- the head of organizations. but, you know, i -- i asked paul the other day to give me a feel for how many suicide bombs went off in afghanistan in 2021. and his team at the counterterrorism center at west point said there were 280 suicide bombs that went off in afghanistan this year. so when you think about that, how many of those do we know? how many of those kind of suicide-vest wearers or car-bomb drivers could we have struck? or do we really have to focus on the big targets, the strategic
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targets with this over the horizon -- over-the-horizon capability? >> retired lieutenant general mark hertling, appreciate it. always a pleasure. thank you. in just a moment, we are going to check into the white house to see how president biden is handling what's certainly been a rough week for his presidency. with allstate for 13. we've seen a lot. but i can tell you that no matter what hits us, we always bounce back. it's what we do. my name is melissa roberts. and i'm an allstate agent in harahan louisiana. join me in helping america rebuild following natural disasters.
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as we report tonight it has been a tough week for president biden and his administration. the latest, an fda vote that fell short of the president's
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promise of a booster shot for every fully-vaccinated adult american. this is what the president said last month mentioning the need for experts to sign off on boosters and clearly suggesting that we'd all be rolling up our sleeves in the days to come. >> the plan is for every -- every adult to get a booster shot eight months after you've got your second shot. pending approval from the food and drug administration, the cdc's committee of outside experts will be ready to start these booster -- this booster program through the week of september 20. at which time, anyone vaccinated on or before january 20 will be eligible to get a booster shot. just remember, as a simple rule -- rule -- eight months after your second shot, get a booster shot. >> well, that is not the case now. clearly, the fda did not approve that. other problems the administration has had, as well, this week as we reported earlier. the admission by u.s. military killed ten afghan civilians in a
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kabul drone strike. and now, france is recalling its ambassador to the u.s. over its anger about a new national security pact involving the u.s., the united kingdom, and australia. our chief national affairs correspondent, jeff zeleny, joins us now from washington. first of all, how much of a blow was this fda vote to the administration on boosters? how much of a surprise was it? >> anderson, it was a surprise because the white house is generally in control of most things and the president -- you heard him say there -- after september 20th, americans can get a third shot. well, that simply is not the case. if you are 65 and older, you can. but for the, you know, vast majority of americans, millions and millions, they cannot. so this was one of the curious things when he announced it at the -- at the very beginning a month ago. why was the white house getting ahead of the fda? those questions are still unanswered. now, tonight the white house is saying this is a step forward. that those 65 and older can get a third shot. but, anderson, this is not what the white house was expecting at all. they were trying to use the momentum for this third shot to also encourage others to get
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their first shot but that is not going to happen. so this is one of the rare instances where the white house is simply not in control of a very specific policy like this. the fda is. >> and in terms of the -- this mistaken air strike in kabul. you know, the president was clearly briefed on it. he touted it as a success of u.s. intelligence when it happened. you knows, the military said there were secondary explosions which were likely explosive devices. they now believe those may have been the gas tank or propane tank in the courtyard. um, what are they saying about this? >> well, president biden is saying nothing about this, anderson. we do know he was briefed early today here at the white house, before leaving washington to go spend the week at his -- at his beach home in rehobeth, delaware. of course, the pentagon has, but the reality is the commander in chief has the responsibility for those drone strikes. and this was probably, of all of the bad news here for the white house today, certainly the worst. the tragic killing of ten
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civilians there. so certainly, it raises questions about the drone program going forward but as of now, the white house has been absolutely silent about this. >> and i understand some new reporting on this rare move for france to recall their ambassador to the u.s.? >> yes, this is very bizarre almost that there would be a row between the biden administration and the french government. that is exactly what has happened. never in modern times has the french government recalled its ambassador which means send them back to paris for consultations with the president, emmanuel macron. all over that submarine deal with australia. the -- the -- the french government believes it was blindsided by the biden administration. now, we are learning tonight that the -- the administration here, the secretary of state and others are trying to smooth this over with -- with france. but, anderson, this is certainly a very unusual -- um -- you know, a -- a disagreement spilling out in public with a very close ally. all of this coming into next week as the meeting of the
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united nations general assembly when all leaders will be focused here on diplomacy. certainly, one of the most difficult fridays, i would say, for this president. anderson. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. want to get perspective now from maggie haberman, cnn political analyst and washington political correspondent for "the new york times." so, maggie, how do you think the administration is -- is navigating all these fires? i mean, particularly the -- the drone issue. you know, clearly, you know, there have been a lot of concerns raised about civilians' deaths from drone strikes over the 20 years that -- that the u.s. has been involved in afghanistan. >> look. the -- the drone strike is -- is -- is terrible. it's a tragedy. it involves not just up to ten civilians but up to seven children in that group of people. and so, it is -- it is deeply problematic, you know, just as a -- as a -- as a catastrophe, a human catastrophe. it is also problematic for the white house not just because of the drone program but because it underscores and reminds people about the -- the chaos around the withdrawal from afghanistan which the administration had been hoping to move past. and believed that -- that the
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public would not really care. we will see if the public does care here. but this is certainly a problem. and then, you have, secondarily, the fda issue. >> it's also a problem for the future of, you know, events in afghanistan. and, you know, the -- the -- what the administration was saying. well, we have these over-horizon capabilities. you know, we weren't able to get a drone strike right in kabul where u.s. forces were still at the airport and where they did have, you know, some intelligence capabilities. >> that's right. and, anderson, look. i think they have been trying to say, the administration, today that this was not part of the over-horizon capabilities. this was something different. i think when they announced this drone strike, they called it as part of the over horizon -- over the horizon capabilities. it does raise questions about the kind of intelligence gathering and operations, counterterrorism measures that will take place going forward now that the troop withdrawal has been completed. i do want to say there is another element here which is just the fundamental fact that the strike was described one way to the public, and it turned out
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to be something else. and it was revealed to be something else by the administration after cnn and "the new york times" and -- and possibly other media outlets reported on what had really happened. i don't know that they would have talked about what happened, without those reports. >> there is no doubt about that. and it also, again, raises questions about -- well, how many drone strikes have taken place where people are killed and what the military said about them, you know, had there been reporters able to do the kind of investigations that the "new york times," cnn, and others, you know, were able to do. how many of those drone strikes would have turned out to, you know, other organizations which have looked at the high number of civilian casualties but it's just an important thing to think about, given the -- there's been 20 years of drone strikes in -- in afghanistan. um, let's talk about the former president asked about congressman anthony gonzales announcing he won't seek re-election. he was one of the ten republicans who voted to impeach the former president earlier this year. his statement read, in part, while my desire to build a fuller family life is at the
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heart of my decision, it is also true the current state of our politics, especially many of the toxic dynamic inside our own party, is a significant factor in my decision. he called trump a cancer for the country. obviously, the former president responded. you say this is how trump wins and in small increments. >> i did say that and i think it is true. i think that you are looking at trump trying to take out the, one by one -- i don't think he is going to have total success but he will have some success -- republicans who voted against him on impeachment and he is able to do that because he has basically a complete control over the primary process right now in various states. and he has control over many of the primary voters. you know, there are a lot of people who have said they don't want to see him as president, again. within the republican electorate. i think it's about half in the cnn poll that doesn't mean that they are objecting to trumpy candidates appearing in these districts. but i think that you have to listen to what anthony gonzales said about why he's leaving and what he said about why he is leaving is this was not just -- this is for my family which is
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what we often hear from politicians. he claims that he was facing threats. he claims that his family was facing threats. and so, that is something of the new modern-political moment that donald trump helped usher in and has used to his advantage and to help candidates who he likes. and that's what you are seeing here. it will not stop. it's going to continue. >> it's fascinating, though, because when you have no morals and you are relentless and shameless, you can wear down everybody else around you over time because you are willing to do things that people who have a spine or people who have some sense of shame or -- or -- or morals are not willing to do. which is one of the great strengths of the former president. to be completely shameless and essentially immoral. >> i have said before that -- um -- when you -- when you are shameless about how you conduct yourself in public life, you -- it is an edge because if you have a willingness and a -- and something of a -- of a glee and
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a reveling in grinding the opposition down, which he does, and we've seen it over and over again, you are probably going to outlast the opposition. now, again, what does that mean for him, personally politically? i don't think we know, yet. but it certainly means that he remains a force. he remains the leader of the republican party and i think people who want to tell themselves that's not the case right now are -- are kidding themselves. >> yeah. and he has plenty of time sitting amongst the mosquitoes at mar-a-lago. maggie haberman, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next. a live report on preparations tonight to make sure tomorrow's rally in support of the capitol insurrectionists does not turn into some sort of a repeat of january 6th. t comes to safety, who has more 2021 i-i-h-s top safety pick plus winning vehicles, the highest level of safety you can earn? subaru. when it comes to longevity, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years? subaru. and when it comes to brand loyalty, who does j.d. power rank number one in the automotive industry for three consecutive years? subaru. it's easy to love a car you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru.
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my blood pressure is borderline. garlique healthy blood pressure formula helps maintain healthy blood pressure with a custom blend of ingredients. i'm taking charge, with garlique. the second time in as many weeks, someone charged and awaiting trial in the capitol insurrection was sent to jail. according to officials, the defendant, pauly bauer was already not abiding by conditions of her release. that was before she erupted at a hearing in washington today and the judge ordered her taken into custody. prosecutors say during the january-6th assault, she tried to force her way past police in the capitol rotunda telling the officers, quote, bring nancy pelosi out here now. we want to hang that effing bitch. and now, the capitol is bracing for tomorrow's right-wing rally
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in sympathy for people like her. cnn's ryan nobles is there with the very latest for us. so walk us through some of the security preparations for this thing tomorrow. >> yeah, anderson, you can see behind me this black fence. this wraps all the way around the capitol. this was put up late-wednesday night. now, this is something that isn't normally here and it is also something that wasn't in place ahead of the january-6th rally. this is perhaps the most visible and obvious sign that capitol police are taking things seriously tomorrow. but it's not the only thing. there will be some-100 national guard troops on standby not far away, ready to deploy it need be. plus, a ton of local law enforcement that are ready to serve as backup as well. so, capitol police telling us today they are preparing for the worst. but they also said that they are very confident that they will be able to pull this off safely. and in fact, at one point, the capitol police chief, tom manger, described their activity tomorrow as almost an opportunity that -- for them to practice, to -- to employ all
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these new security precautions that they have put in place in the wake of the january-6th rally. and i talked to one senior-law enforcement official who kind of downplayed this group this -- that is rallying here tomorrow. saying that they'd never even drawn a crowd of more than 100 people at some of their other events, and they expect the crowd here tomorrow to be less than 1,000 people. so, this is really, more than anything, a show of force by capitol police and law enforcement here and washington, d.c. to show that they are not going to tolerate what happened on january 6th ever again. that they are going to put the resources in place to prevent something like that from happening. and, anderson, something as simple as having this fence in place. that's going to go a long way to preventing something serious from happening tomorrow. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thanks. perspective now from cnn senior law enforcement analyst, former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. this may be very overblown. this -- this might just be, you know, a small number of people who have shown up to this thing. i -- as we discussed, law
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enforcement at this stage has to take it seriously, though. >> that's absolutely right. you know, the job of law enforcement is to prepare for the worst. and they have clearly done that in this situation. i have to tell you, anderson, it's -- it's almost a little bit frust frustrating for me having -- having participated in so many of these events. um -- national security special events like inaugurations and state of the union addresses. this law enforcement community in washington, d.c. knows how to do this, right? and they do it routinely, and exactly the way you're seeing now. partnerships are established. people -- law enforcement agencies are -- they come in to back each other up. the right resources are on the ground. the communication, the c coordination is there and so it all raises the question of, like, why did that not happen in the lead-up to january 6th? that's not really relevant for tomorrow. i think tomorrow it looks like we're in good shape. but obviously, we will see how it goes. >> yeah. i mean, obviously, it's -- you know, even compared to -- as --
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as has been reported -- compared to the preparation for, you know, black lives matter protests the -- the previous summer, the response was extraordinarily different. and so, obviously, a lot of questions on -- on why that was remain. >> that's right. >> you know, you can plan for all types of contingencies. then again, there is, you know, one -- it takes one person to do something -- um -- you know, just this week, a guy showed up near the democratic national committee headquarters and they had -- with a bayonet and machete, according to law enforcement. and when you think about the capitol attack, there is still this person who is, you know, planting pipe bombs who is out there. >> that's absolutely right. so, you know, you do your preparations for the crowd that you anticipate. but the wildcard or the lone actors, you know, the -- the so-called lone wolves. so we have our -- our attempted capitol hill bomber who placed two incendiary devices in front
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of the rnc and the dnc on january 6th. that person has not been apprehended, yet. we had -- in just the last few weeks, we had an individual who tried to crash his vehicle through the gates and ended up killing a capitol police officer. we had an individual who drove up and threatened to blow up a bomb in his vehicle. looks like he didn't actually have one but nevertheless. so, this message about rallying for the, you know, people who stormed the capitol on january 6th is resonating with that extremist community. and it only takes one person to bring an explosive device or weapons or that sort of thing to a crowd. to really turn it into a very violent incident. so we are not out of the woods. >> does it -- i mean, given your history in law enforcement -- does it surprise you that this -- that the alleged pipe bomber has not been apprehended? i mean, it's -- it's -- just on paper, without looking at any of the details, to think that somebody in this day and age could plant devices in
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washington, d.c. you know, near the capitol at, you know, locations of notes and still be out there. that -- it's kind of extraordinary, isn't it? >> it really is, especially when you see the video coverage that the fbi has released in the wake of the -- that attempt. so there is -- you know, this individual was caught on -- um -- video surveillance from residences and businesses in the area. so there is lots of images of him. just not enough to identify him. but historically, if you look back at bombers, they are typically -- the cases are built against them by their multiple attempts at bombing. so it's the forensics that you collect off of those devices that, typically, leads you to those people. if this is his first run at these things, which it might have been because they certainly didn't work -- um -- we may be having to wait until he tries it again. >> yeah. come to think of it, it reminds me that there was a bombing in new york years and years ago at a -- at a u.s. recruitment center, i think it was.
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somebody rode up on a bicycle and i think that still is un -- unsolved. so it's a good point that you make. andrew mccabe, thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up next. breaking news involving the investigation of a missing 22-year-old florida woman. we have a live report on the unfolding situation outside the home of her fiance, when we continue. the future, she'll say she's got goals. and since she's got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so she'll get some help from fidelity, and at fidelity, someone will help her create a plan for all her goals, which means suzie will be feeling so good about that plan, she can just enjoy right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity.
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(music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ breaking news to report at this hour in the case of the missing 22-year-old florida woman, gabby petito. police outside the home of her fiance. investigators previously have indicated they believe he is withholding critical information. randi kaye joins us now from florida. randi is outside brian laundrie's family home. so what's going on?
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>> reporter: anderson, it's been quite a scene here all night. the police from north port police here showed up about 6:30 this evening. so they have been here well over a couple hours. a group of them just left. there is also a lot of protesters here, neighbors yelling at the house, where is gabby? so we have been here now for a couple of hours. and it turns out that the -- the laundrie family attorney called north port police and said that brian laundrie's parents, the fiance in this case, would like to talk with you. so they came over. they have been inside talking with the parents. apparently, the chief says he is telling cnn that brian laundrie is not in this house. but they were going in and out of the house. several officers for quite some time now carrying some paperwork. they also looked very closely at a car that is in the driveway. so certainly looking for answers, looking for clues. but the search for gabby petito continues. >> hello, hello, and good morning. it is really nice and sunny
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today. >> reporter: 22-year-old gabby petito in happier times. documenting her travels with her fiance cross-country on social media. >> gabby petito never goes outside. >> reporter: but along the way, the trip turned into something else. >> we have just been fighting this morning. some personal issues. >> reporter: police in moab, utah, released this body cam video after someone called them august 12th to report disorderly conduct involving gabby and her fiance brian laundrie. the police report noted the couple engaged in some sort of altercation. gabby told police she struggled with ocd. >> and he wouldn't let me in the car before. >> why wouldn't he let you in the car? because of your ocd? >> he told me i needed to calm down. yeah. but i'm perfectly calm. >> reporter: the police report described her as confused and emotional and manic. the officers didn't file any charges but suggested the couple separate for the night.
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>> yes, they had a disturbance. yes, it was captured on body camera, their interaction with law enforcement. but beyond that, you know, i don't know what it has to do with the disappearance. >> reporter: it all began on july 2nd when the couple set out from new york in gabby's converted white 2012 ford transit van with florida plates. their plan, according to police, was to drive all the way to yellowstone national park but they never made it. we have also learned gabby was reportedly last seen at the salt lake city hotel on august 24th. that same day, the family's attorney says she facetimed with her mom. telling her she was leaving utah and heading to the grand tetons. the following day, gabby texted multiple times with her mom, likely from the grand tetons. on august 30th, a final text from gabby's phone. though the attorney says her family doubts she actually wrote it. then on september 1st, her fiance showed up at the home he and gabby shared with his parents in north port, florida, in gabby's white van.
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ten days later, on september 11th, gabby's family reported her missing. >> two people went on a trip. one person returned, and that person that returned isn't providing us any information. >> reporter: gabby's family is desperate for answers. >> whatever you can do to make sure my daughter comes home, i'm asking for that help. there's nothing else that matters to me now. this -- this girl right here -- this is what matters. that is it. >> reporter: brian laundrie, gabby's fiance, isn't talking. he's hired a lawyer, and has not spoken with gabby's family or police. his own sister told abc she hasn't even spoken with her brother. >> all i want is for her to come home safe and sound and this to be just a big misunderstanding. >> reporter: cassie laundrie told abc her brother and gabby had been known to fight. >> typical of both of them. whenever they'd fight, they would take a little break and come back. and be fine.
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>> reporter: the fbi in denver has also joined the search. aiding fbi and local authorities in wyoming and utah. but as the hours and days tick by, the search for answers grows. and doubts are beginning to creep in. >> my gut tells me that something bad happened. and i'm never -- i'm never going to be able to hold my baby girl, again. >> reporter: right now, it is still a missing person investigation since police have no evidence of a crime. >> we don't know what happened. you know? we don't know where she's at. we don't know if a crime's been committed. >> and randi, if the fiance isn't there at the house, do police know where he is? >> reporter: no, that's the thing, anderson. as -- as you said, the chief had said he's not here. they are talking to the parents. but they -- he is saying they also don't know where brian laundrie is. and this really is still a
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missing person case. he hasn't been charged with a crime so they can't question him. so he's taken the fifth and he hasn't spoken to police. but of course, they also don't know where gabby petito is. his fiancee. so they are certainly looking at every avenue to try and find her. the question is, was she with brian laundrie when he came back here? he brought her van back here to the family home. was she with him for any part of that journey? or is she somewhere in the grand tetons or elsewhere, anderson? >> randi, appreciate it. thank you. still to come, investigating the origins of covid. details on dr. sanjay gupta's special report, next.
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