we all know that we want to get this thing passed and we're going to get it passed, and it's going to be transformational investment, but we're not leaving anything behind. so we're not passing an infrastructure bill and then saying oh, there's no urgency to taking on climate change or immigration or any of these other things. we are going to pass the reconciliation bill first as was agreed upon by the senate and then we are going to pass the infrastructure bill and pass it on to the president and we'll make changes transformational in people's lives. >> congresswoman jayapal, we will continue to watch. thank you very much for talking about it. >> thank you. >> right now the news continues and we'll hand it over to chris. >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. we have two breaking stories developing on our watch. first, the january 6th committee said it would not ask nicely and it hasn't. four subpoenas to trump's four horsemen, mark meadows, steve bannon and scavino and patel.

a subpoena implies no wrongdoing on the part of any of those men. it's just a demand that they must come testify. why them? the chairman of the committee says all four had communications with the white house or were working in it or in the days leading up to the insurrection were involved and we're going to unpack what all that means. also, we're going unpack strategies afoot for all of those men to say nothing at all. we also have exclusive new details in the gabby petito case, on top of the federal arrest warrant has been issued for brian laundrie, the fiance of petito that remains nowhere to be found. we have new details. now, first on the warrant. it was issued in wyoming, that's where petito was found dead sunday, but there are no charges in it related to her killing. the warrant is for the, quote, use of unauthorized devices related to laundrie's activities

following the death of petito. he is indicted on one count of using an atm card that may have been gabby's. the indictment, frankly, is unclear on that point. it does say that laundrie used a debit card that wasn't his to amass $1,000 or more. the fbi says while this warrant allows law enforcement to arrest mr. laundrie, the fbi and our partners across the country continue to investigate the facts and circumstances of ms. petito's homicide. the attorney for the laundrie family put out a statement saying, quote, the fbi is focusing on locating brian and when that occurs the specifics of the charges covered under the indictment will be addressed in the proper form, but for now that when is very much an if. we have new details surrounding the hunt, a close source to the laundrie family tells me that brian left his parents' home last tuesday without his cell

phone and his wallet and that this was not normal. a source also tells me his parents were concerned that brian might hurt himself. a north port police spokesperson declined to comment. police found laundrie's car where his parents said he went to hike at a reserve. did he go there to hike or to die? or did he simply never enter and just take off? his parents did not take questions from reporters today and were advised to not give formal interviews to police by counsel. it was the part -- parents, however, that i am told alerted authorities to the fact that brian did not return home tuesday night. now as for gabby's death, we are waiting on two key determinations. where was she found and what was the manner of death? all we know so far is the death was a homicide meaning somebody

killed her. a body left out in the open, not concealed, that suggests a spontaneous killing, unplanned. that the killer may have left without having time or inclination to cover their tracks. the autopsy taking more time suggests death is not obvious, gunshot, stabbing. if death were by blunt force or strangulation that, too, points to a crime of passion, unplanned and speaks to someone familiar. so what are we looking for? what does it mean? better minds are here to connect the dots that exist so far. back with us, cnn legal analyst, criminal defense attorney joey jackson and criminologist casey jordan. good to have you both back. let's start with the warrant/indictment. joey, help me understand. this is weak tea. the feds rarely ever charge anything like this let alone for $ 1,000 or thereabouts.

they would not even say if it was gabby's atm card. what's the play? >> i think the play is significant here. good evening to you and casey. let's understand what this means is that it's under investigation, we all know that, right? but it means if your indictment, what do we use for indictments? grand juries and therefore in the event that you're presenting the case, we all know that they couldn't have gone to get an indictment, right? because of unauthorized use. they would have gone and presented information that was otherwise relevant to the surrounding circumstances, and here's the bigger takeaway from me. if you notice the unauthorize said use was between august 30th and the 1st. so if it was between those two dates and they're alleging unauthorized use there may be some information with respect to when they believe, right, she was gone, disappeared or dead even. so they would have had to present information that yet someone to reasonably believe, a

grand jury, that indeed that she was missing and/or dead at that particular time. and so it seems to me that this is one, right, shoe to drop of a tremendous shoe that's going to drop moving forward with respect to what we're all looking for. i think what they're waiting for are the results potentially of the autopsy so they can present that information and they can have more critical and clear info to present in order to get the indictment for murder. >> casey, let's talk about that with you. this is your area. the questions that i suggest, how was the body found and what was the specific manner of death. are those the key at this point? >> i think everyone is thinking exactly along those lines. the so-called cause of death is what we are most interested in. again, you spelled it out beautifully. i'm predicting strangulation or blunt-force trauma and that would suggest a crime of passion. i don't think we have any reason to believe this was a long, drawnout plan of anything premeditated or deliberated. you can tell the relationship from all of the evidence was just fraught with stress, and the fighting was escalating and probably got even worse after

they were ordered to be separated for a cooling off period after their encounter with the police, but i think what we just need to understand right now is that the arrest warrant is just following the money. there could have been many uses of fraudulent use of the credit card or it was gabby's, but where that is -- is it still going on? that's the real question. they know so much more than we know. the real issue is we need to get him in handcuffs, into police custody and by issuing a federal arrest warrant, it's like a masterful apb across the united states. i think he'll be sighted by people assuming he is still alive and they're going to call the police and police, no matter where you are in the united states are going to have to put him under arrest. once he is in the box, in the interrogation room, i think we're going to get answers that we need to piece it all

together. >> joey, in your experience and casey, weigh in if you want, the time that gabby was deceased, how long she's been out there, how big an impact could that have in the ability to pinpoint exactly what was done to her? >> yeah. you know, i think, chris, as you have pointed out previously the time line is significant and so what you're going to do if you're going to build the case for murder is you will look at the time line that you have laid out with respect to the trip, with respect to when things started getting dicey in august regarding where her whereabouts were and regarding the interactions that they have that were her and mr. laundrie conveyed by bystanders and we get to that and then we get to the other issue which is her missing and then her subsequently found dead, and so when you look and you're piecing that together, i think investigators are critical in an examination of a forensic

examination and when you look at cause of death and not to get graphic, but the decomposition of the body you'll be able to identify when that occurred. chris, i think that this indictment is big on that particular issue as you noted before. they believe, right? certainly if she was in a position not to consent for him to use the unauthorized card. >> right. >> so if they're believing she's not in a condition to consent, what does that tell you about the forensic examination, what does that tell you about the timeline and their belief of his activities that stem much larger than the unauthorized use. >> every time we get new information we need to analyze it and i will call on you both. joey jackson, casey jordan. appreciate you, thank you. >> good to be here. >> back to the big news on the insurrection. four top trump white house officials subpoenaed which means you come and talk or you get punished and that is what the january 6th committee wants. will they get it? the house panel wants answers on

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the january 6th select committee investigating the capitol riot tonight issued their first round of subpoenas for witness testimony. they're focusing on four trump loyalists, former chief of staffmark meadows and former chief of staff dan scavino, former white house adviser steve bannon and chief of staff to acting secretary of defense christopher miller. that would be kash patel, okay? so what do they tell us about the direction of the

investigation? congressman adam schiff is a member of that select committee and chairman of the intel committee. good to see you, sir. thank you for taking the opportunity. >> good to be with you. >> why are they first? >> well, these are four important witnesses and they're all very close to the former president and some were in direct communication with him on january 5th, on january 6th and they are reportedly in communication about how to overturn their results of the election. mark meadows, for example, involved with the justice department trying to get the justice department to put pressure on georgia, to decertify the results of the election and there are innumerable areas that we want to question these witnesses about and there are four early witnesses that we want to hear from and will help us direct our focus on others, as well. >> what does it tell us, though, about the direction of the inquiry and how trump centered

is your focus? >> well, i think it tells you this. we're moving with great alacrity and no one is off the table. we'll determine what went wrong in the lead-up to january 6th and we're going to find out who was involved and who was knowledgeable and what roles they played in the planning. what expectation they had of violence and what the former president was doing among the biggest unknowns is what was going on within the white house on january 5th and 6th at that critical time when our democracy was being threatened with a violent insurrection? so we're not wasting time and some of these are the more visible efforts and we'll be conducting investigation, as well. of course, we've made a lot of strides in requiring documents that we need for the investigation. >> is the former president on the list of potential people that you will call before you? >> you know, i think we have a lot of work to do before we

answer that question, and you know, logically, i think we want to start by getting documentary records so we know the right questions to ask the witnesses and then ask the witnesses who are really key and central and then we'll make a decision about anyone else after that. >> do you anticipate one or more of these men saying i can't testify. i have immunity. >> if past is prolog, we can certainly anticipate that some may seek to thwart our investigation and certainly the former president has been talking along those lines and if you look at all of the obstruction and all of the stonewalling of the subpoenas by some of these same people in the prior administration, i remember, for example, the deposition of steve bannon when he showed up to the deposition and this was a republican-led deposition at the time with 25 questions that he would dine answer. all of which written out not by the committee, but by the white

house. so we experienced that kind of stonewalling before, but unlike the last four years these witnesses are not going to be able to count on the former president to protect them if they essentially thwart the wall, and i would hope that we can move expeditiously to enforce the subpoenas. if that's necessary, i hope it won't be, but if it is, but also that the justice department would be open to considering potential criminal contempt charges against anyone who ignores the law. >> do you anticipate any of them coming up and answering the subpoena, but refusing to testify, taking the fifth? >> i really don't know. i would hope that we can get cooperation from everyone, but i've been at this long enough to know that that's not always possible, but we will do whatever we can to overcome any obstructionism. that's all we can do, but we have some powerful tools at our disposal and we're going to move forward. >> congressman adam schiff, early on, but thank you.

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cdc advisors met today to discuss boosters. the arguments were messy and so, too, are the recommendations and they did agree people 65 and older who got their first two pfizer doses six months ago should get a booster. same for people 50 and older with underlying conditions. for folks under 50 they were divided. in the end they did recommend boosters for people 18 to 49 with underlying health conditions, but not for people who put them at high risk and that's tiff than the fda's emergency decision. these are just recommendations and the cdc director, dr. rochelle walensky will still

need to make her own decision. so is this okay? is this the way it should be? does this inspire confidence? we have former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. his new book "uncontrolled spread. why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic" is ault about how we avoid exactly this type of confusion. messaging matters, especially in an environment, doc, where you have to be worried about your messaging being attacked. gottlieb is also a member of pfizer's board of directors. what do you make of this? >> i've seen situations before where the fda and the cdc disagreed on certain aspects of

how immunizations and calls into question whether or not we had the right institutions and processes from the outset. we relied on a process that was invented for largely determining the childhood immunization schedule where they have the safety of vaccines and the cdc makes recommendations on exactly how vaccines should be distributed largely to children. in the setting of a public health crisis when you want to send a coherent message between the two agencies you don't want to have confusion that can zap public confidence. perhaps we can reimagine the different process where they work together from the outset to come up with unified recommendations. the split between two agencies creates the perception that the government doesn't have its act together and there's confusion and the recommendations ultimately issued by the cdc will be very hard for the medical practice and patients to interpret and actually implement. >> isn't this what happened the last time where you had the cdc and the fda and recommendations

that were complicated and that's why states started making their own determinations about what to do and that fed skepticism about how much people should trust. aren't they making the same mistake again? >> well, with the initial rollout of the vaccine, cdc came up with a set of recommendations on eligibility that was byzantine and hard to implement. they designed different groups of people when they thought should be eligible based on occupation and risk factors and ultimately states tried to implement that and it slowed down the distribution of the vaccines and many states turned to an age-based regime based on age starting with the oldest individuals and working down the age continuum and that proved to be much easier to implement and allowed them to get vaccines distributed much more quickly. here in connecticut, the governor turned to that approach and it's one of the reasons why the state led the country in getting vaccines in the arms of patients. this process in terms of who could be eligible for boosters

will be complex and it will be hard for pharmacies to implement it and ultimately it will create obstacles at the pharmacy counter to get access to boosters and the people hit hardest by this are those that face obstacles getting access to care. >> yeah, but isn't this how we wound up with what we see in florida? look, there's plenty of blame to go around. messaging matters and messaging has kind of plagued the biden administration in this regard, and you know, why would people be wrong to have skepticism, you know? they don't say the same thing. they don't agree. they're not getting one message, they're getting two, but they're telling us they have to take it so they have a mandate with mixed messaging and that's a bad combination. >> well, i think one of the challenges is that people have lost confidence in public health officials and coming out of this we'll have to reinvigorate public health and there will be a lot of people who don't want to empower public health

officials because the guidance has been shifting and this is a perfect example where in the setting of the pandemic planning and this is what we talk about in the book and we might create a different process where the cdc and fda are working in sync together at the outset. the israelis did that. they brought in their best experts and aligned their agencies and one seamless process and came out with a recommendation and implemented it. we went through the same stage process. that process is meant to have checks and balances and it works very well in ordinary times when we implement these things and deliberate them carefully. also need to align public health officials around a unified message in order to inspire public confidence, you might want to have a different process and this should have been thought out from the outset as we plan differently for the pandemic, we might think differently about how we deploy the vaccine in the setting of a public health emergency like this.

>> what needs to happen right now? it's been suggested that walensky at the cdc should meet with the top fda official and come out of a room and say we're on the same page. here are the recommendations. >> i think the most difficult aspect of this recommendation is that it doesn't allow for boosters to be made available to those people who were at significant risk of contracting covid and having a bad outcome because of excessive occupational exposure. people who work in prisons and school teachers who are in contact with a lot of kids and the fda guidance allowed for that. the panel from the fda and the -- >> right. cdc does not. >> the cdc does not and that's the biggest conflict. that's what needs to be re-thought. right now a 30-year-old asthmatic would be eligible for a booster. but a 64-year-old living in an

assisted living facility with no significant underlying circumstances would not be eligible. she can work to align it with the fda. that might actually happen here. >> doesn't it have to? otherwise, again, look, i know there's a lot of left-right on this. we report on it, analyze it, cry about it, scream about it all the time that a lot of this seems to be more about an imus -- animus than analysis. but look, if you're the head of a state and this is what's coming your way, of course, you're going to go to your people and say i'll have to figure this out for us because this wasn't helpful. isn't that how you have people going it on their own? >> look, i think this creates confusion that gives fodder to the people that want to sow skepticism. this isn't just a right-left issue. the problem is this is a byzantine schedule in terms of who will be eligible. that will be hard to implement. in order to implement this

seamlessly, the person working in cvs or walgreens needs to interpret the guidance. if the guidance is this confusing and requires this many steps and is hard to have eligibility it will create obstacles to those in many cases are getting access to health care and people can navigate the system and will get boosters and the people who rely on the system to be easy, they're the ones who may be locked out here. it's unfortunate. it could create obstacles for the very people we want to make sure are brought into the system. >> dr. scott gottlieb, appreciate you. thank you very much. >> thanks a lot. now to another situation with mixed messaging and the confusion of outcome. what's going to happen on monday? will they vote on the infrastructure bill? will they vote on the reconciliation bill? will they vote on both. we have a key member of congress and she'll lead on the safety of vaccines for kids and we'll talk about the state of play about the wellness of her party and what it means for the

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democratic leadership are talking up a deal to save joe biden's agenda from their own infighting. >> the white house, the house and the senate have reached agreement on a framework that will pay for any final negotiated agreement. so the revenue side of this we have. >> who's we? and any finally negotiated deal, that's because there is no finally negotiated deal. the problem is key members like senator bernie sanders, senator joe manchin. they say they haven't seen any framework and again, this idea that's all about the senate if they can just get past manchin, what about all of this drama in the house? all this with the house still scheduled to vote monday on the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill and progressives say

they're out if they don't get what they want on a bigger plan. let's bring in a key member of the party katie porter. congresswoman, it's good to have you. i want to talk about monday, but if you don't mind, what's going to happen with our kids. this confusion with the fda and the cdc, look, i know it's science and it's better to have them out in the open and it's better than them hiding things, but doesn't it kind of hurt confidence and their determinations especially when they're waiting about who we care most about, our kids? >> absolutely. that's why i wrote to the fda. i wrote a letter with 100 bipartisan members along with ro khanna asking the fda to be clear with the american people about exactly what the plan is to study, authorize and then deliver vaccinations to kids and we got a response last week. we had a briefing this week with the fda's vaccine chief and the good news is that the data is in

the hands of the fda. they described the plan that they're going to use to analyze those data and make sure that these vaccines are both safe and effective for kids. what we heard is it's likely that if the data are as expected that the authorization, the emergency use authorization for kids will come as early as halloween. i know that's what my kids want which is a candy bar and a shot, but it may come a little bit later into thanksgiving, but we're going to get this done hopefully in the next few months. what i'm focusing on now is turning to the cdc to make sure they have a plan to actually deliver the vaccines. vaccines don't save lives, chris. vaccinations save lives. we have to actually get the shots into arms and that means the cdc needs to have a plan to do that. >> so is what you're saying right now with the boosters, does this inspire to say to them you need a better process. i don't want to hear from the fda and then another thing from

the cdc like we just did. you have to do better and come up with one set of recommendations. >> that's absolutely something that we talked about with them. we talked how when the fda announced that they would expand the study for children, this was an opportunity to reassure the american public of how thoughtful and careful the fda was being in following the science, but instead what got messaged was there's something -- something about the vaccination for kids and that kind of confusion can -- can make it more difficult to deliver and get people to get vaccinated the second these vaccines are authorized as safe and effective. we're planning to turn to working with the cdc. how are they going to get shots in arms? are they going to use school nurses and school districts? are they authorizing pharmacists to have the shots and will they be reupping the mass vaccination clinics that we saw back when adult vaccines were first rolled out? so yes, the cdc and fda do need to cooperate better and they need to speak with one voice

when it comes to the science when they walk to the american public. >> let's talk about one voice in your party. what is going to happen on monday because jayapal is saying one thing and look, people have to know, very often the left wing of the party, the progressives are talked about as a minority not with biden and the spending bill. he's with them in terms of the priorities and the price tag, but i had gotheimer on last night, he's a centrist, moderate, he was saying one thing. we'll do them one at a time and get them both done. jayapal is saying no, the reconciliation bill is getting done or we're not doing both. what's the deal? >> well, look, i've talked to representative gotheimer about this very issue, and what i said to him is josh, we were elected to represent men and women. we were elected to represent all different kinds of industries. we were not elected just to deliver roads and bridges. we were elected to deliver roads, bridges and better health

care and more affordable child care and a better future for our planet. so doing these things together is consistent with president biden's agenda. he understands that if you have a road for someone to get to work it doesn't matter if they can't leave the house in the first place because they don't have care for an elderly relative or for their children. so we talk about our economy and we talk about building back better. that means building back all of the interconnected aspects of our economy together and this has been the plan from the get go. this is exactly what the progressives have been saying months ago. this is what speaker pelosi has been saying for months. this is, in fact, what president biden initially rolled out. >> so help me with this because obviously, you understand the progressives. you are one of the shaper of that caucus, but for a while it's just manchin. if they can figure on the manchin with a sprinkle of sinema on the senate side, you guys will be fine and everyone's

on the same page and this is all about the house and here's what i don't understand. you guys face an existential threat in the opposition party. they will do whatever it takes from little things like mcconnell just flip-flopping once again on a key issue. this time the debt ceiling and the first time we'll never let the united states default and now we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. that's a little thing for them. they will fight to de-certify an election to overturn an election and you guys are fighting amongst yourselves. do you guys get the stakes? >> chris, i want to be very clear. what i'm fighting for. what we are fighting for is the american people and that means that there are going to be disagreements. what i said to representative gotheimer and conservative democrats is are you not hearing from constituents about the price of prescription drugs? oh, yeah, i hear about that. are you not hearing from your constituents about the difficulties about paying for child care? oh, yeah, i'm hearing about

that. okay, i'm also hearing about roads and bridges, so we clearly need to do all of these things and that's what people need to be focusing on. we are fighting for the american people. we are fighting to deliver what president biden knows our economy needs. that's the fight we're in. republicans are simply standing in the way of delivering for the american people and by the way, if those republicans would step up and deliver for the american people then we wouldn't have all of this drama in the first place because -- >> i know, but it's not going to happen. >> their position is opposition and it works for them. now for you guys it's different. what happens monday? >> well, on monday we're going to do exactly what the majority leader and speaker ask us to do. so we will get those bills on monday afternoon.

we have not been told exactly what we'll be voting on and how this is going to be resolved, but look, this is what the speaker's job is. she is the speaker of the house. she has steered our country to complicated legislation and difficult moments before, and i have every confidence that that is what she is going to do here, and i would just encourage the american people to make their voices heard, to let their representatives know that they want their representatives to deliver on the needs that they have. child care, the cost of college, climate change, prescription drugs and lowering the age of medicare. these are incredibly popular policies across peter lines. you're right, chris, it may be the party of opposition on these issues, but the republicans i represent want these problems solved. that's ultimately what should carry the day. >> so you believe that on monday, a reconciliation bill will be put on the floor that

the democrat also pass? >> i believe on monday we will have a clear path forward to continue working on these bills. i don't know if the final vote will be monday, but i think by monday we will have come together as a democratic caucus to figure out how we'll move forward, hopefully in partnership with the senate and the president has been working non-stop to do exactly that, meeting with house members and meeting with senators to deliver his agenda. >> monday is a big day. we'll be watching. katie porter as always, appreciate the cogency and conversation. >> thank you so much. >> all right. ahead, i want to try to make most of a moment, right? you guys, witnesses have been coming forward, happening and helping in the gabby petito case, made a difference. probably helped find her body. can we do it on another search? a search for a missing 24-year-old geologist daniel robinson. he was last seen in the arizona desert. now we don't have the bizarre aspect of a fiance that comes back and doesn't want to help in the search, but this is almost an equally odd tale. car found somewhere it wasn't

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a lot of people go missing in this country. some of them don't go reported. many of them are never solved. we have a lot of attention and momentum right now because of the gabby petito case. let's see if we can use it to help with another case. of the nearly 90,000 active missing person cases, did you know that 45% are minorities? percentage is much likely higher

because of how the fbi groups hispanics and whites together. the majority of the missing are men. and even though black men make up just 6% of the u.s. population, they make up nearly a third of nearly all male missing cases. among them is 24-year-old daniel robinson, and this is a very, very odd mystery. he's a geologist, and he was working in arizona on june 23rd. and he's out in the desert and he leaves his job site, and that's it. they can't find him. a month later his jeep was found in a ravine about 4 miles from where he was last seen. in the jeep clothes, cellphone, wallet, keys, all recovered. because all the personal effects were there now we have to ask some questions about the clothes. authorities say they don't think there was foul play. well, where is he?

daniel was nowhere to be found. his father, david, has been in arizona for the last three months searching for his son. david robinson ii joins us now. i'm sorry to meet you under these circumstances, but i'm happy to give you the chance to talk to the audience about it. first, do you believe that the authorities have done the right job in trying to find your son? >> first, thank you, chris, for bringing me on. i appreciate your time. no, i don't think they did enough. you know, the first 24 hours to me is the first crucial -- first 24 to 48 hours the first crucial moments. and those moments wasn't fulfilled. >> it seems like all the key discoveries were made by you, a private investigator and friends who wanted to look. is it true that your group let's

say have found the remains of five or maybe six people in your search for your son but none of them were him? >> yes. well, we had seven searches -- seven weeks of searches. i created a search full of volunteers who worked vigorously out in the desert. we covered a lot of ground around the last places -- last spot my son was seen. which is the well site. and then when the vehicle showed up we also covered those areas. and in those searches, yes, we recovered what appeared to be human remains. we documented them, took pictures and turned all of those over to the buckeye police department including a skull that was found. >> a skull was found near his car but that is not your son, correct? >> that is correct. >> so then you get the black box from the jeep he was driving,

and it turns out -- tell me if i have it wrong -- that there was some kind of collision but after the collision the car was driven another 11 miles and that there were other signs of collisions. and that once the car was in the ravine somebody attempted to restart it almost 40 times. is that all accurate? >> that is correct. >> so what do you believe happened to your son? >> sir, that is hard to say. i've been going over in my mind. i've talked to his mother, talked to his siblings, family. we're all confused as to what happened to my son. but one thing i do know, my son loves his family. he would not go anywhere without telling us. he would not have a desire to be away from his family. he would not go out to it desert, not try to join a monastery which has been told by the buckeye police department and my son mysteriously

disappeared. that's all we do know. >> no enemies, no ongoing mental illness. he wasn't suffering from anything, anything that might cause that kind of duress? >> nothing. my son is an outgoing guy. he's optimistic. he had dreams of things he wanted to do in the future. he loved to travel. as a matter of fact, he had plans for his family to come visit him in july. i had plans to be here to see his vehicle for the first time. he was proud of that jeep. and for myself to see that jeep for first time in the situation that it was in is very devastating for his mother and myself and his siblings. >> i'm very sorry you're in this situation. i'm not going to say for your loss because we don't know where your son is. and as you get developments, you're going to be able to get in touch with me whenever you

want, and we will update, and i will make sure people see the picture now of him, where he was, and we'll put it on social media also. god bless and good luck going forward. >> yes, sir. thank you. >> if you've seen this man, let us know. we'll put it on social media as well. we'll be right back with the hand-off. at aspen dental, we help you find your happy place like milkshake mustaches high fives and high dives. or 3-on-3s... 2-on-2s... and 1-on-1s. we see how these moments make us smile so, we make it easy to share your smile with safe and convenient care — all in one place, with evening and weekend hours. right now, new patients get a complete exam and x-rays — free without insurance. plus, everyone saves 20% on their treatment plan. celebrate life's happiest moments. call 1-800-aspendental or book online today.

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sigamos haciendo la diferencia juntos. all right, we got a big episode on this week's hand-off podcast with a very special guest although it was kind of a surprise. my mom. you won't want to miss how it is she wound up on the podcast and what it was she was there to say. so you're not going to want to miss it. all right, open up the camera on your phone and point it at the qr code at the bottom of your screen, okay? that is going to take you to a link where you can listen. open up the camera, point it at the qr code just like it's a menu. >> where's the qr code? >> it should be at the bottom of the screen. i don't think we have it on our monitors. >> there it is, i got it. >> i don't see it. >> that is don lemon. he is the co-star of the hand-off. >> no, your mom's a star