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and dad said you were kidnapped from the hospital. the fbi found you a couple years later. i had no idea what happened. is this really true? i started really wondering, am i really paul? >> for quite some time, he was trying to find out who am i? he knew the dna testing could help him find the answer to his mystery. >> and the test results said there's no possibility that you're paul. but there's more. what the -- >> i was shaking. >> we were in shock. >> wow. >> everything i thought i knew was a lie. >> this is bigger than what happened to me. >> now the fbi is revisiting a happen century old case. >> be careful what you wish for. you don't know where this leads. >> he didn't know who he could trust. >> i mean, this is really twisted. >> who might be the real paul? >> and who was he? >> the truth, it's going to come out. it's an incredible story. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. i'm chris cuomo.
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welcome to prime time. joe biden has won arizona again. and this time the count was done by people with every reason to want him to lose. in fact, former president trump was expecting a different result. everybody will be watching arizona tomorrow to see what the highly respected auditors and the arizona state senate found out. he even suggested that there was fraud found. he lied. he said the fake news got it wrong. lied again. not only did the cyber ninja led hand count tabulate results close to what maricopa county reported. it determined that biden got 99 more votes than initially reported. trump? 261 fewer. so the fraud was on trump's count. right? wrong. why? because this isn't about fraud. it's about human error as is almost always the case. also the case, no candidate in
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the history has now lost an election more times than donald trump. we're waiting on trump to go bad on the same pawns doing the fraud it that he once praised. while we wait, here's what arizona senate president who led this had to say. >> the ballot counts were close to what maricopa county reported. and that is a true statement. >> 2.1 million ballots processed by hand. the ninjas say over 1500 people took part for a total of 100,000 hours. they were looking for bamboo in the ballots at one point. checking them for secret water marks to give credence to conspiracies that fake ballots were flown in from china. it was all b.s. no such fraud was found. so will this calm the conspiracies? will it stop the democracy demolition?
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>> this has never been about over the turning an election. this has never been about decertifying. this has never been about anything other than election integrity. i find it ironic our secretary of state and a few others have called this a sham audit. that you can't trust it. you can't believe it. well, the interesting fact is truth is truth. numbers are numbers. >> yeah. you've just decided to accept them only now. this was true when it was first counted. it was true when it was checked. it was true when it was rechecked. so the reason that everybody was suspicious that you insisted on this because you kept saying it was wrong, and you brought in a group that didn't know what it was talking about, and wild theories came out, and they wouldn't let people check what they were doing. the nefarious notions. that's what did it. and the problem is even though now this one is right, it's just
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this one. and the nefarious is still entrenched. 78% of republicans think biden did not win legitimately. despite no evidence to back it up. well, that -- will that change? likely no. because instead of pausing to process the epic failure of finding fraud, the trumpered moved on. wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida working on similar recounts all with similar nonbases. and now texas, trump won texas. why would you want a recount there? governor abbott caving to trump's demands to keep undermining the vote. is that the goal? do they really want people to never trust an election again? can they really think that this type of fire and fury won't lead to more people acting on the same? you don't think that's a big reason that we got to january 6th? you don't fire up your army of supporters to attack the capitol
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because you lost. our intel authorities say the ugly chatter is growing. what might come next? let's bring in a better mind. an influential voice on the right, conservative radio host, host of the mike broomhead show. good to see you, brother. we were talking when you were hearing about what was going to be coming down, and you were like yeah, it turns out it's all going to be right. and we were wondering what effect this will have? what do you think the answer to that is? >> i'm not sure yet. we're going to find out in the coming days. they left a lot of open doors. we still got to look at the routers and we're looking at things. doug logan said the information he was going to give today might be incomplete because they had a lot of information the county wouldn't turn over. the battle lines have been drawn in that regard. there was an interesting response from the supervisors today. i don't know if it's going to go to court or where it goes next. >> how do so many in the right wing media seem to see this as a
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win? >> to be honest, i don't know if anybody sees this as a win. the majority of the people that i talk to don't see any of this as a win. there are so many people that have been supporters of this audit that have said this has taken way too long. this should have been over a long time ago. it's time to move on. i don't know a lot of people that see this as a win. >> they had a whole watch party set up for this. they were planning a rally, the state republican party. they were obviously expecting a different outcome. they're not celebrating democracy. >> no. i agree with you. i think there were a lot of people that in spite of what the senate president said all along, this is not about overturning an election, i think there were a lot of people that believed that the cyber ninjas and the other sub contractors were going to say they found widespread fraud. and that was absolutely opposite of what they said today. >> so how do you get to a better place if they just keep on recounting votes that have been counted, certified, and
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recertified by state officials who are often republicans? >> let me flip this around and give you an analogy i think will work. if you remember, i brought this up on your show before. from my perspective as a republican, i thought the adam schiff comments, what he said about investigating trump and they had proof they never produced months after that was all over, there's still people that believe that the election was stolen from hillary and stacey abrams. but that group of people that is still beating that drum gets smaller and small the furtherer with get away from the incident. i think the further we get away from the audit, i think that group of people that say those things will become smaller and smaller. >> i hear you on the analogy. help me understand this hot take from this process. >> here's the first top line, steve. yes, it was stolen in arizona. >> the numbers aren't adding up to what they originally certified. that is a problem to me. >> there is a lot of indications
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of fraud. and so that is the discrepancdi the spin on the misinformation. >> those are all lies. >> okay. i will tell you that today anecdotely, today while i was on my show, i got a facebook message from someone. and i brought up the same analogy i gave you. this was somebody that was sending me articles and youtube videos that was telling me just how there was russian collusion with trump and all the other things. what i'm saying is there is always going to be a segment of people that don't believe it. you are probably a football fan like i am, probably different teams, but we're fans. when your team you feel like gets hosed on a call, you hang your hat on that if you don't want to believe your team lost a game. in this case, i think that's a lot of what happened. years ago when hillary lost, the democrats were shocked that there was any way legally or justifiably she could lose to trump. and i will tell you that here in arizona, anecdotely of watching the support he had, there were a
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lot of people here in arizona that said there's no way he lost in this state to biden honestly. but i think a lot of that goes away as time moves on past this audit. >> do you think that there is a better chance that we wind up reminding ourselves that we're on the same team? or do you think that we're going to have more violence and protests because people are going to stay 75, 80% convinced in your party that this was robbed? >> i don't know if those numbers will stay anywhere near that high. i think that what this audit will go do is i think everybody agrees, it's time to drop the battle. once that happens, i think people mend fences. if you think about you and i and how different we are at times, there's never been a conversation you've had on or off the air that didn't start or end with mutual respect. i think there are a lot more people around like you and me on these issues where it's we hold our positions and beliefs but we're not going to demonize the person we're talking to.
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i think maybe i'm being too opti optimistic. i think that wins out in the end. >> mike, there happens to be a big difference. despite the fact that we both have weird names, i would argue yours might be weirder. >> mine is definitely weirder. >> you and i don't believe things that are completely untestered to reality. and get angry whenever anybody tells us that. i mean, you and i are like most americans. you know, i don't know if you heard this story. i was outside my house trying to do sprints, huge mistake. and instead of being surrounded by paparazzi, rare occasion, i actually had some power workers out there, and they were all about the vaccine. and they were arguing about the vaccine and if the vaccine can help some but hurt others, why are we getting it? that's a specious premise. nobody says the vaccine can hurt as many as it can help. there's no science to support that. but the way they were talking about it, a little hot.
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respect. and the guy said yeah, i just don't buy it. i don't know where you're getting your numbers. look, i got the vaccine. you don't want to get it, fine, but you'd better stay out of the hospital when you get sick. at the end, they were eating lunch together. they were together. a lot more gets solved when you talk that way. that's why i'm so encouraging of you to come on this show and i promise, i know i'm all talk, no walk. i will come on the mike broomhead show. >> i agree with you 100%. same things happen with me. but on social media and others where it's not face to face. i think when you start talking to someone and you show them a bit of respect in giving your opinions, they begin to understand that it's not personal. and i think more people are like that than not. we have given the attention a lot of times, both of us are probably guilty of this. of giving people attention that are more on the extreme, because they make for better sound or better headline or a better story. but in the end, i think when it comes to the decision making process, more people are like you and i. if i can say one more thing
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about what happened today, i had one of the supervisors on, clint hickman who was the one who has the chicken farms' family owns an egg farm. he came on the show and called for our governor, attorney general, and state treasurer, three of the biggest, most prominent republicans. he called for all three of them to call for the resignation of our state party chairwoman. we're seeing that stuff happen as well. >> we'll see what happens to him. all right. i'll talk to you soon. i hope to see you soon. have a good weekend. >> you too, brother. >> all right. new developments in the gabby peito case. a second witness has come forward who says she gave brian laundrie a ride in the days after his fie yawn say was last seen alive. here's the key. this is the second hitchhiking story, but this is the really interesting part that will take you through. the two stories go together and lead to very different conclusions. next.
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a new witness account tonight further pinpoints brian laundrie's where abouts in the days after gabby peito was last seen. a second woman norma jean jalovik tells us she picked up laundrie has a hitchhiker august 29th th. he told her he'd been hiking the last few days along the snake river and mentioned he'd seen moose and elk. that's similar to what he told the first woman who picked him up hitchhiking. he also reportedly told miranda baker he'd been hiking along the snake river. baker says they picked him up going one direction. offered him $200. he said he wanted to go in that direction. talked about his fiance being back with the van, working on their social media page. when he heard they were going to jackson hole and not jackson, he
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got out and they thought it was odd. the second story seems to pick up right there. because the time that the two give seem to coordinate. jalovik picked him up going the opposite direction. he told her she needed to drop him off at the spread creek dispersed campground. it's the same area where gabby's remains were found three weeks later. and where the van was seen parked. meanwhile, florida officials are still searching for laundrie in the 25,000 acre nature preserve amid a federal arrest warrant despite no trace of him over the last week and a half. authorities maintain it's not for nothing. >> there are many, many more resources we're deploying in here other than the search efforts we're seeing here today. we have inguest vative means and other technology. agencies are issuing search warrants for data. we're not wasting time.
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we're doing our due diligence to find brian in intelligence led us to an area he can possibly be in. >> look, they're taking it very seriously. it's a big area. it's an intricate area. top legal mind. joey jackson is here. criminal defense attorney extraordinary. first, one thing at a time. these two stories, one couple picks them up going in one direction. he finds out it's not where he wants to go. he gets out and has the other woman take him back to where he came from. very odd, because the initial confusion is no, this isn't where i want to go, but then he went somewhere completely different where he started from. significance? >> yeah. good evening, chris. so the reality is a person could be conflicted. right? we all make a decision a, and that's on second thought, maybe let's do decision b. right? and so that could seemingly be human nature. the significant point to me is that you have him at the scene
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of the crime. and say are you what you will, spin what you will. he wants to go where he wants to go. he doesn't want to go where he doesn't. oops, i want to do this. a person can be agitated or act in a variety of ways, but the big take away for me is at the end of the day, where is he? where she's found, where she's dead, and you know what? a lot of people say he's responsible. and so i think that's what prosecutors will point to as the take away as it relates to that testimony. >> well, certainly the fact pattern has gotten worse for him from the first account. first account you don't know where he goes. he just gets out. and says i'm going to the wrong place. theoretically, he wanted to go to jackson, not jackson hole. now we know he went back to the area where she was found. the facts change to his disfavor. why do you think it's taking so long to process gabby? >> you know, i think there's a number of things happening.
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many of which we don't know. remember the significance of a grand jury having been convened. we didn't know that. we knew that as a result of the indictment that they voted out. a grand jury just to be clear, chris, we know and you very well as a lawyer consists of 23 people. right? and only a simple majority have to say that there's reason to believe a crime was committed and you committed it. the big take away and the big question is well yeah, but they didn't indict him for murder. well, not so fast. they indicted him simply as it related to the credit card or the debit card electric transaction issue. but the grand jury gets information regularly. what i think they're doing is as the investigation unfolds, they give the grand jury more evidence and pieces of the puzzle. we're talking about two of them now. different witnesses who apparently he got in the car of. he was hitchhiking. it furthers the timeline and where he is. it furthers what he was doing.
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it furthers his kulkts and the circumstantial evidence all leading to the conclusion that it was probably him. and for purposes of an indictment, that is all you need is the simple probability that it was him. of course, at a jury trial the standard is far different. >> in terms of the timeline, i have some information. at least some of which i believe we haven't reported before. so there have been these questions. why didn't the -- gabby's family report her missing for ten days. are they bad parents? do they not care? i've heard those stories in the air a lot. here's what we know. so they didn't know that brian was back. he didn't tell them when he came back. and his family didn't tell them. so a few days, 22, now 12. so they give her a couple days. they know there's not great service. that adds a little bit more. and then it starts to get a little weird, and they hear
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nothing from brian laundrie or his family. right? so they then get suspicious, try to reach out to the family. the family never gets back to them. when they finally make an effort where they say they're going to come to the house, they're told no, don't. they've gotten a lawyer. does that sound right to you? >> you know, it does not. two pieces. obviously any lawyer is going to advise you not to say anything. right? that's the standard. because you can say something to someone. it could be misconstrued and used against you or not be help. in the big piece to me is the consciousness of guilt. what does that mean in english? it means that in the event that you run, in the event that you go somewhere. in the event that you get away or try to get away, it evidences a guilty mind. what further evidences that mind? when you're away but you are with their daughter but you have no contact with the family, you disconnect and disengage from the family, and you
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affirmatively don't want to speak to that family. that further evidences that perhaps you don't want to speak to them because you did something that may effect the criminal variety. all these things are significant. not in isolation. but they're significant as you continue to build the story. you build it with where they went. you build it with what they were doing. you build it with the social media content they were displaying every day, keeping in touch with everyone. then it goes cold. you build it by pinpoints him at the scene and the autopsy report. any case as you know, that's why we call it a mountain of evidence. there are pieces of the puzzle that ultimately paint a picture and for prosecutors' perspective, the picture vivid. from a defense perspective, show me where he was there and what he did and show me and otherwise indicate that he's guilty. two sides to every story. innocent until proven guilty, of course, but circumstantial evidence is pointing to him
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being a very responsible party here. >> but you know, look, on just one stand alone basis, just in terms of humanity, this girl lived with them. they were supposed to be very close to her. care about her. the fiance of a son. you don't tell the parents that the kid is back without her? you don't even take their call? and then it matters in terms of the timeline. who knows how long gabby peito was laying out there? it may have made a difference in terms of the forensic. >> what you describe is human nature. that's the conduct that we expect and anticipate people to engage in. and when they don't, it raises questions. this is the person who cared about you, who loved you and respected you? who you went on a trip with and he makes no contact? it goes to the issue of consciousness of guilt. that's why the humanity issue you're speaking to is so powerful to a jury, because it doesn't add up. >> parents didn't either.
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joey jackson, thank you very much. two positive covid tests up ended a planned live in studio interview with the vice president on the view today. did you see this? >> there seems to be something happening here that i'm not 100% aware of. >> i need the two of you to step off for a second. >> okay. >> and we're going to bring you back later. >> sonny and anna are strong women. i know they're fine, but it really also does speak to the fact that they're vaccinated and vaccines really make all the difference. >> now there's a twist, and i really hope you let us explain it in the way that is actually accurate and not just use it use it as fuel. there's confusion. it goes to testing. breakthrough cases. and what can happen. we have a top health official. next.
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you saw what happened on the set of "the view" after two hosts tested positive for covid. they were told to leave the set immediately. it was bizarre to watch, but that's live tv for you. both are vaccinated. now a twist, sources tell us they both tested negative since the positive twice. now they're waiting on the results of another pcr test. was it a false positive? it would have to be, right, if the other tests are correct. what does that mean fbt testing and breakthrough cases? let's get answers from a doctor. you see, that's why you don't have to take the vaccine. you still get sick anyway. what's the difference? >> well, that's not really true. it is the truth -- true that we
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have breakthrough infections, but the people who have breakthrough infections that have been vaccinated have much more mild cases, and much fewer hospitalizations in many studies. there's one person out of 200 or 300 who gets hospitalized and no deaths. very different than the unvaccinated. and by the way, chris, if you look at the map, the places where we're having the big outbreaks, tennessee, kentucky, west virginia, idaho, montana, and wyoming, those in general are places with low vaccination rates, and it's among the unvaccinated that you're getting these big surges. so the vaccine while it's not perfect at preventing cases, is excellent at preventing hospitalizations and death. >> the testing. i can't really trust that either. you know, you want us to test all the time, but it turns out that you test, you're positive, then you're negative. then negative ten, maybe positive. it doesn't make any sense. >> well, we have had a problem
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with testing right from the start. the cdc got the test right at the start wrong. we never built up the right testing infrastructure. we -- and up to many couple million tests a day. but now we're down at about 600,000 tests a day. only testing people who are very suspicious, actually, have the disease. but testing is useful when you can actually screen people. first of all -- >> what does that mean -- >> i've personally had a false positive on one of those over the counter tests. i get tested every monday when i go to the university to teach, to be sure to reassure my students and to reassure myself. because i have a class of 160 students that i teach twice a week. testing has a very important role. we've never properly created the testing infrastructure. and if they had a rapid test, it is possible that they were false positive and that subsequent
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test confirmed they were negative. that's perfectly possible. swl. >> why does the rapid get it wrong and the pcr get it right? >> it's the nature of the test. one test is looking for a protein made by the virus. and that you can get wrong because of the binding. the other is actually looking at the dna of the virus and that really you might have a positive where the virus you got is not really infective. but you won't miss a case with the pcr test. >> because they're no sensitive, the pcr. >> i appreciate you. thank you very much for setting us straight. every chance we have to clear up confusion, i think has to help. be well, doctor. >> take care, chris, have a good weekend. trumpers in arizona wasted months and millions to confirm the obvious once again. now, that's not what they wanted to do. they wanted to prove that biden lost, but he won, and in fact, he gained votes and trump lost
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chocolatey dipped ice cream experience with 25% less calories because it's made with greek yogurt. so, thanks for everything ice cream, but we'll take it from here. yasso audaciously delicious the big lie was never going to stop with the sham in arizona. it's about more than one place. it didn't matter what the cyber ninjas found or didn't find. we're already seeing attempts to do the same thing in at least five other states. the elected members of the republican party allow this happen -- the wizard of odds, harry enden, good to see you. let's start with the kind of basic premise of what the lie means to those who support trump.
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>> i mean, look, there are a lot of reasons why this lie is going about. right? massive ego is one. sewing discontent and misinformation is another. it's also about 2024. right? look, donald trump wants to run in 2024. there are a lot of people who support him within the republican party. and i think this chart gives you a good idea of why they keep pushing this big lie. look at this. believe the gop has the best chance of winning in 2024 where trump is the nominee. if you think biden won the 2020 election illegitimately, 60% of folks think -- if you think biden won legitimately, it's just 22%. the idea essentially here is if you don't believe trump lost, then he has a good chance of winning. and so that's why you keep pushing the big lie, even though there is, of course, no proof for it. >> one of the reasons that my hoped for new demographic in society, the unvaccinated versus the vaccinated, that the vaccinated are the new majority,
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doesn't really work because when you poll the vaccinated, they poll heavy to party, and they support trump, too, even though they don't support any of his talk about the pandemic and the vaccine. and i think you see that when you look at the numbers and see it's not just party fringe. >> no. it's not just party fringe. if we go to the slide in the vaccination that we have, what we essentially see right here which is so key to this, is that if you're in the basic belief that i believe that the election was stolen, and there's solid evidence of it, look at that. just 42% of those folks have been vaccinated. if you believe there's no solid evidence that biden didn't win legitimately, it's 82%. when we're talking about this lie and this misinformation, to me it's not just about the election. it's about every day life. and when you believe one lie, you're far likelier to believe another lie. and that's why to me it's so, so dangerous. >> no solid evidence biden won. put that back up for a second. no solid evidence biden won
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illegitimately, 82%. solid evidence, 42 %. why do those numbers not add up to 100? >> they're different groups. we're saying among those who believe there's solid evidence that biden didn't win legitimately, 42% of those folks are vaccinated. if you believe there's no -- >> i gotcha. >> i'm glad we're able to do a math lesson on friday night. it's fun for the kids. >> it was more about organization of data. the 42 %, that's still kind of high. if you think about it, if somebody is smart enough to get vaccinated and accepting of enough of the things that trump rejects and 42 % of them still buy into him and the big lie, you know, it's weird how you believe in a vaccine but you don't believe in the science. it's just weird. you don't believe in the election. >> go ahead. >> this is not normal. >> no. this isn't normal. you know, look, more plenty of
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candidates who lost elections before. we've had many of them. >> almost every election somebody loses. >> that's what tends to happen unless you're playing a special game like maybe in third grade. >> your generation where everyone gets a trophy. >> you know what? i have a lot of trophies in my apartment, and i did win a lot of those just because i'm no skillful. but look -- in every election there has to be a loser. and the losers concede. they concede. and people believe the election was legitimate. you look back since 2004, and you look at the candidates' party, the people and his party, do you have no confidence at all in the election results. if we pull up the slide, you'll see the no confidence at all number tends to be about 10%, no confidence in the results. but look at 2020. 63%. something has clearly changed, and you know what's changed? the candidate didn't concede. he showed discontent, and this is the result. you get a large portion of the
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republican party who simply put does not believe reality. it's almost as if they don't believe gravity, because we all know that joe biden won legitimately if you look at the evidence, and yet, these folks decide they just want to look away. >> harry enden, when you're talking, no one can look away. thank you very much. appreciate it. in fact, you did so well, i'm going to hook you up. did you know that harry has a new podcast and it's doing very well. the podcast is called "margins of error". where the wizard of odds looks at the stories behind the statistics. very entertaining. very informational. leave the cover photo to the side. >> two good looking guys and then one other guy on there. >> i like you good with the beard and without the beard. >> you got two different versions of me. you can vote on my twitter page which one you like. >> good night.
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daniel's father says he found evidence that the car didn't originally crash at that site. and that the car apparently ran another 11 miles after its air bags were deployed, suggesting after the initial contact. in their search for daniel, they came upon a number of remains, including a human skull. maybe five people. the private investigator helping the robinson family in their search. good to have you, sir. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> authorities put out a partial report you find it unsatisfying because. >> i had that report for three months now, two months now. i was brought into this because of the vehicle and my expertise is in forensic accident investigation and i've looked at what the control modular tells me in the vehicle.
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>> and what does it tell you? >> it tells me that there were 46 additional ignition cycles after air bag deployment, that the vehicle was traveling consistently 29 to 30 miles per hour for five seconds prior to air bag deployment. there isn't enough room in that ravine off the ridge to travel that distance and speed. there was 11 additional miles on the vehicle from the time the air bags did peployed. the damage didn't match what was found in the ravine. >> what does that make you thth think. >> that makes me think that vehicle was crashed somewhere else and i have reason to believe more than once because i have possession of the vehicle and we've done extensive inspections on it and it shows it's been involved in at least two collisions. we don't know which one deployed the air bags but they were two
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significant collisions and those were not what it was at the bottom of the ravine. however it got to the bottom of the ravine, we know the tire tracks that go down there, but who was in it, who was operating it, we don't know. it could have been daniel. it could have been someone else. it doesn't match. it just doesn't match that area. >> so what scenarios do you envision? he was hit by another car and someone did something to him and the car got lost in the desert? what do you envision? >> it's tough to envision what took place because we're still lacking a lot of evidence. the buckeye police department and my office are all lacking evidence. it appears that right there from where the vehicle was recovered that there is no exit away from the vehicle. there is no obvious signs that somebody was walking out of
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there or drove out of there. there is nothing. it ends right there in tharavin and there is no blood or dna to indicate anybody was injured in that. >> what do you make of the idea clothes were found in the car? do you believe they were spare clothes or what did he have on? >> there was work clothes in there. his work vest there was and his work boots. it's not uncommon for geologists to carry extra clothes in the vehicles where they go out to remote locations but we don't have any proof that he had a change of clothes with him. it would be unlikely if he didn't. >> do you think this situation speaks to the existence of another partiparticipant? >> we were leaning that way early on in this investigation but the more my team starts to
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dig into this, it appears that we just can't say for certain if there is anybody else involved. we just can't rule out foul play but i can't say there was foul play at this time, either. >> the idea that somebody who was working with him said he seemed off in the days immediately before he disappeared and the theory of the local police that he went off to some kind of monk hood or something like that, what do you make of those suggestions? >> well, i think him wondering off to join the monastery that was suggested to mr. robinson i think is absurd. there was a person that worked for another company that digs the well that last saw daniel on june 23rd and he made a statement that he was acting odd. i've interviewed him, and he made statements that, you know, daniel just said he was tired and wanted to go rest.
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so what that means, i don't know. i don't have anybody else to ask that could answer that question. >> now, i would say to you, people don't just disappear as you know from your life of work and yet, you found remains of multiple people in the desert that i guess, searches had just never turned anything up, none of them were daniel. so people can just disappear and never become resolved. do you have hope for continuing this search? >> yes, i do have hope. we have other areas we're going to start looking into. we have tips we're following up on. so i do have hope, yeah. i do want to bring daniel home to his family. >> absolutely. >> i have to keep some hope. >> we'll put daniel's picture up now. if anybody has seen him, please give information. it right there. we'll put it in social media, also. there is a $10,000 reward for tips through the website and
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phone number on your screen. if you have information, please do the right thing, conaccount -- contact the buckeye police department. jeff, thank you for what you're doing for this family. i wish you well. >> thank you, chris. >> we'll be right back. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. looks like we're walking, kid. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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that's it for us tonight. "don lemon tonight" with the upgrade for friday night laura coats. >> how sweet of you. nice to talk to you and see you. we have so much. crazy week, chris. absolutely crazy. >> so i hear. you know what? the good news is that the momentum of pa etito, that stor is crazy and has a lot of intrigue but it's not the only one and allowed us to right a little bit of a wrong and deal