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vote it down, if there is no agreement on the larger social safety net package. and the decision britney spears has been waiting for. a judge suspending her father, jamie spears, as a conservator of her estate and all of her personal affairs. a lot to get to this hour. first, let's get right to the breaking news on the new round of january 6 subpoenas. i want to bring in doug jones, a former democratic senator from alabama, also a former federal prosecutor and phillip mud. good evening to both of you. phil, you're up first. the second round of subpoenas targets organizers of the rally, and follows close aides and allies to the president. what does it say about the committee's focus, sir? >> you missed a piece there, don. there's a controversy, kevin mccarthy is involved in this, about subpoenaing phone records. let me get you three lines together. one, you want to talk to people
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like mark meadows whether they were involved in speaking with the organizers of the riots before hand. you want to match that up with phone records. did he speak with anybody according to phone records on capitol hill or linked with the organizers of the rally about the rally before hand? add a third layer. you want to subpoena the organizers to have them say in combination with what meadows say, what the phone records say. did you talk to the white house? so the prosecutor rss are going put this all together and say what does the timeline look like and then find out if anybody is lying. >> this is from a committee member, jamie raskin. >> we're trying to reconstruct the entire chain of events that led to the most violent assault on the u.s. capitol since the war of 181 2 and 1814.
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so it's important for us to figure out what the relationships were between the official rally organizers and the white house and the rioters who launched the protests that day. >> what sort of evidence will that committee want to see, phone records emailis, things like this? >> they're looking at auld that, don. this committee wants to make sure -- they want to look at the complete record. you don't go into this looking at a narrow view. you have to look at the whole of events that took place before and even after. and you have the rally, and then you've got the riots that occurred at the capitol. are they going to be able to connect the dots between those two events and communications ahead of time? that's the charge of this committee.
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i commend them for really looking at -- taking a really broad stroke at this and not getting involved in partisan politics either way. but looking at the broad picture. that's what a good prosecutor does. it's how i think this committee is working right now to -- so that at the end of the day, they're going to give a report that's going to give a complete and full picture, from beginning to end, and not just focusing on what happened with the president, what happened with the riots at the capitol itself. but a complete picture, beginning to end. that's really important. >> do they have to cooperate? can't they avoid subpoenas by taking the 5th? >> they can avoid some subpoenas by taking the 5th, but that speaks volume it is they take the 5th. these folks may want to give a deposition, they may not. >> i don't want to be in the middle of all the politics. it's too political, rather than saying, you know, where it
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speaks volumes about something else, maybe their complicity? >> you mentioned if they take the 5th. that would speak volumes. remember, there is more to this than just their testimony. there is their phone records and their text messages, their emails. those things that they really cannot take the 5th on. those are the things that can be produced and subpoenaed in any fashion. i think you'll see a lot of these people take -- will testify, because there's a number of these people, regardless of what people may think, they're not going to have a connection between the events of a rally that's just a pro trump rally and the violence that occurred. i think they will find some dots that will be connected, but some that will not. as people, as they get subpoenas if they testify or not, those dots will fall into place. >> let me ask you about amy cr cramer, the point of contact,
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and encouraged members of congress to object to election results. what will investigators want to hear from her? i mean, all of this, stop the steal, whatever, all of it was built on a lie. it's just odd that we're even questioning people's involvement and -- because it's all built on a lie, do you understand what i'm saying? >> i do. but look, if you're an investigator coming into this, a prosecutor, an fbi agent, you're not going to walk into that conversation asking her questions where half the time you don't know the answer. you'll know the answers by looking at swings like, as senator jones was talking about, social immediate you posest, e-mails, you'll have interviews with other people. i don't know just about conspiracy. when i go into that conversation with her, i'm going to already know a lot about what she did or did not do in terms of contacting the white house, and what she did or did not do in
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terms of phone calls. bottom line, i want to know if she's going to lie. so when i say, did you make any phone calls to the white house, to make it real simple, don, and she says no, i'm going to know the answer already. it's not about what she says, it's about what she lies about. >> i'm sure folks are out there, if they heard our report before this, people are getting a slap on the wrist for these acts. what does it all matter, right, if people are just going to get off scot-free or just with a slap on the wrist. what is happening, doug? >> well, don, you know, look, i think -- people need to remember there are two separate things going on here. one is the criminal investigation. and i agree with the judge. i really to believe that the doj, as well as the courts, need to come down on those folks that are guilty, that they can prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. i think they need to come down on them harder, because i think
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there's a deterrent there that needs to happen. this january 6 commission is different. this is a commission to find out what happened. it is a broader, broader investigation. it is not a criminal case. it is not one where that commission is trying to prove somebody guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. the commission is trying to get the facts. and that is important for the american people. that's a completely different situation than the -- than the trials and the pleas that are going on. it's important that the american people know all of the facts that happen on that day, start to finish. that's why i'm so proud of this commission for issuing the subpoenas, doing all they can to get to the bottom of this. >> i think you're right on this. i nknow the difference there, bt the people who did the damage, the people that went into the capitol, even if it was on someone else's suggestion, if they're getting off scot-free, there's a certain amount of frustration going on. thank you both. >> i agree with that.
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>> thank you very much. now to the make or break moment for joe biden's domestic agenda. nancy pelosi still bringing up the infrastructure bill for a vote tomorrow. but progressives vowing to sink it if there's no agreement on the social safety net package. and there isn't one. so i want to bring in ron brownstein and laura barone-lopez. good evening to you two. speaker pelosi saying she's going to hold that vote tomorrow on the infrastructure package. but given this stalemate between the progressives and the moderates, is this going to blow up in the president's face? >> potentially. look, never bet against nancy pelosi. she's lived on the edge and brought the ship in time and time again. but right now, it is hard to see where the votes are to pass the
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bipartisan infrastructure deal in the house, especially the way that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have behaved in the last few days. the republican support that might have provided some cushion has melted away. there are very few house republicans, probably on one hand who are going to vote for this. and that means that unless she can convince the progressives to do so, she does haven't the votes and she's not going to bring it to the floor if she doesn't. certainly, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have done her no favors over the last 72 hours with their public comments and refusal really to give the progressives any indication of what even their bottom line is so that they can have a sense of the parameters of the negotiations. >> this new piece is fascinating out and it's genius, called biden bets it all on unlocking the manchinema puzzle.
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what if it's not a puzzle, what if they just don't care about his agenda? >> so we are seeing some movement from joe manchin. sinema, a little less. manchin is saying he wants to undo the 2017 tax cuts that republicans passed, that's what he wants to start with. that's kind of his opening salvo right now to the white house. but, yeah, don, there is a lot that they have not told the president, which is why biden is really pushing them to just give him a number, whether it's a top line or tell him what exactly they can live with in this package. because biden is betting that if he can figure it out with manchin and sinema, that the house centrists, there's a handful of them that also aren't on board with the social spending package right now, that they'll follow manchin and sinema, and then he can go to progressives with this really detailed framework and get them to support the bipartisan infrastructure package.
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now, i don't think this is going to happen before tomorrow or by the time pelosi decides she wants to bring up a vote. and so it's very likely that she pulls it if the votes aren't there. >> let's do the math here. and let's talk reality, okay, ron? if biden can't get something like infrastructure done when democrats control the house, senate and white house, is anything ever going to get done, police reform, voting rights? why does it seem that democrats can't, you know, democrats always get in their own way. >> right. you're seeing here the kind of end result of trying to do big change on a slender majority. the reconciliation bill has been correctly compared to sort of the great society in a single bill. lyndon johnson had 68 democratic senators. there is no margin for error here. there is a difference between manchin and sinema. manchin put out a critical statement about the reconciliation bill today but
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gave a framework for where democrats could go and where he could negotiate an agreement. that's pretty much what happened on the voting rights bill in the summer when he put out a very critical statement in the op-ed but negotiated a bill that democrats find surprisingly congenial. sinema is something else entirely. people have no idea what her bottom line is or what her end game is, what she's trying to ach achieve. a pac was started in arizona to find a primary challenger if she sinks the reconciliation bill. but yes, this is their best shot to pass their agenda. if they can't do this, the other priorities are falling by the wayside already because of the filibuster, immigration reform, police reform, potentially voting rights. so it's hard to overstate the magnitude. the assumption is it's in everyone's interest, but that did not account for someone like the senator from arizona. >> i got -- had an epiphany from
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earlier in the week, when a guest said if america wants to compete with other countries, we have to get our infrastructure together. if we want high speed rail, if we want wi-fi, broad band, if we want to compete with other countries, because that's a norm for them. and for us, we're falling behind when it comes to those innovations. thank you very much. see you both. in los angeles, a victory for britney spears. her father suspended as conservator of her estate, and she says she's on cloud nine. ♪ ♪ m an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. plaque psoriasis, the burning, itching. the pain.
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>> >> more breaking news tonight. the court decision that britney spears has been fighting for. a california judge suspending her faith, jamie spears, as conservator of her estate and her life, and designating a temporary replacement to oversee the pop star's finances. a hearing is now set for september. let's bring in lisa mccallie, an estate and probate attorney. good evening to you. >> good evening. >> so britney spears' father is no longer the conservator for his father. the man in charge of her estate is someone she hand picked. how will this work? how does this work? >> well, it becomes a little challenging because jamie has control of so many assets and i'm sure that he has diversified where the money is located, what states.
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so slowly, the new temporary conservator is going to have to go to each entity where money is kept or investments made, and assert his authority and dominion over those assets. so it's probably going to take him about a month to do that. it's a long process. >> yeah. so we know britney wants control over her decisions, both personal and professional. does she have that power now in this new arrangement? >> not quite. so suspending the conservator, her father, doesn't mean that she's been restored to all of her civil rights. so she would still have to use the temporary conservator to make decisions, to enter into contracts. so she's not quite there. the next step, november 12th, is when the conservatorship is hopefully terminated and then britney makes her own decisions again. >> so we'll have to see then.
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earlier this week, we learned of allegations that jamie spears and the security firm he hired ran a surveillance apparatus that monitored her communications and secretly captured audio from her bedroom, including k conversations with her boyfriend. is this in violation of the law and should her father be investigated if this is true? >> absolutely. especially a conservator of the estate, which is where jamie has been the last few years. but there's no question that once britney enters her home, no matter what the status is, conservator or no conservator, she has an absolute right to privacy, just as we all do. so, yes, i'm sure that those were very upsetting allegations to learn from her attorney, from herself, her friends, family. so, yes, i expect that there will be an investigation about that. >> a hearing to consider a request by britney spears to end
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her conservatorship all together is set for november 12. what are the next steps for britney's legal team? >> well, when you say the next steps, in terms of a stipulation or getting ready to terminate the conservatorship? >> well, both. everyone wants to know what's next for -- there's a hearing coming up, so what's next for her team? >> well, in terms of what's next. so termination of the conservatorship means that britney will end up having to go and hopefully find agents and investment advisers, all of the people that she's going to put together as her team. so right now, i think she should be drafting documents so that she's reviewing contracts, so that when the conservatorship is term terminated, she's able to get her team off to a great start and they will start taking care of her money and britney can make the decisions. >> without a delay between the
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conservatorship and her being in control of her own self and her wealth and money. and her future. >> exactly. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you. new information coming out on the laundrie family. their attorney telling cnn that brian laundrie bought a new phone right before he disappeared. stay with us.
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as the search for brian laundrie continues in florida, new developments in this case. we are learning that the fbi has surveillance video of a campground from the days the laundrie attorney says the family was there along with brian laundrie. a lot to dig into with steve moor moore. good evening. areva, let's start with you. the laundrie attorney told us that brian purchased a cell phone on august 14. brian left that phone at his parent's house and now the fbi has it. we don't snowknow if that new p was the only one that he bought at the store. does any of this make since to
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you? >> none of it makes sense, don. what we do know is that this family went on what appeared to be a camping trip during the time that gabby was missing, and at some point, when the police -- after gabby's parents make the report that she was missing, rather than being able to talk to brian and to get answers, police get met with, well, something had to transpire during those days that he was with the family. something that caused the family enough concern that they hired an attorney. it's really puzzling that a family that presumably knew that brian was dating, perhaps even engaged to gabby, that there wouldn't have been more concern and more efforts to find out where she was, to help find her. so the conduct is very, very suspicious. both not only brian's conduct, but the conduct of his parents,
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as well. >> steve, there's new surveillance footage from the park where brian laundrie and his parents went camping and it's been turned over to the fbi. what kinds of things will they be looking for in this video? >> the problem they're going to have is what they're looking for, they probably don't have audio for it. i think what they would be doing as fbi agents would be to canvas the entire area to find out first of all what they were doing there. but whether they bought things, whether they bought gear, whether they gobought outdoor equipment. whatever they did, whatever activities they engaged in, in the area. because they cheerily wanted to get away from potential interest around their home. >> areva, at a press conference yesterday, an attorney for gabby petito expressed skepticism that the laundrie family would help
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in their search for him. how would you characterize the behavior of brian's parents? >> let's face it, it's not only suspicious, and you can say that it's abhorrent and immoral in some ways. your son is dating a girl, he goes on a cross country trip with her. he comes home, the girl doesn't come home with him. you arrange for him to get an attorney. you don't speak up or contact the girl's family. you do nothing to help this family find their daughter. their daughter is found dead. you don't come forward and give the fbi or law enforcement any information. it's a little hard for me as a parent of three kids to understand how my family could behave in this way. i understand the natural tendency to protect your own child, but we have an obligation, and if our child has done something illegal or put someone else in danger, as
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parents, we have an obligation to speak up. that's separate and apart from his legal rights. we can separate the law and the legal obligation that this family had or brian had from what the moral thing was to do. >> how do you know -- how do we know that he was upfront with his parents? he could have fed him a line about what happened to gabby. >> why did they get a lawyer? why are you hiring a lawyer for your son if you don't believe that there's something your son shouldn't be talking to law enforcement about? we don't know what he said to his parents, but you don't get a lawyer for your kid and say i'm not going to talk to my kid talk to law enforcement. talk to the attorney. we're not stupid. we can't ignore the red flags here. >> so, steve, in all of this, what do you think the best lead they have, investigators have now? >> well, i think the best lead they have on finding him is -- are the phones.
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because he has a previous phone, he has this phone. i don't think they're going to find anything really significant on this phone, the new phone, which would indicate that it was just a shill, something that he was going to lay down as a red herring. the only thing that explains the family's behavior is conspiracy. that's all that makes sense, that they are conspireing to keep him out of trouble or out of the hands of law enforcement. i think the phones and the electronic evidence you're going to have is going to be pretty profound. >> yeah. thank you both. to be continued. see you next time. imagine your neighbor, okay, imagine if your neighbor was blaring monkey noises and flashing these lights at your house. that's exactly what happened when a black family moved into a virginia beach neighborhood. here it is.
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harassment from your new neighbor. that's what a black family in virginia beach has been living with. they describe an escalating campaign of racial slurs, loud music, and monkey noises. ♪ ♪ [ monkey noises ] >> oh, yep, the neighbor tries to drive them out with monkey noises. the police they while the behavior is appalling it is not criminal. thank you for joining me. you moved in five years ago. what has living next to that been like? did it start right away?
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>> no, it did not start right away. it started maybe about a year, a year and a half afterwards. and it started off, you know, just during the day and again, depending on which one of the families stepped out, a different song would play. the lights on his house would start blinking. as we step out of our home, we would trigger sensors that would turn on music. we had one family, as soon as they pull up in their driveway, the music would start. . you know, everything would start recording. it was just constantly feeling like we're under surveillance, and the music was just the cherry on top. it was a lot. wit >> you got banjo music, monkey noises and flashing lights. i want everyone to listen to what else your neighbor is playing. here it is. ♪ ♪
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[ inaudible ] >> you've got three kids, right? how do you explain that to them? >> to be honest with you, my holdest -- my two older kids you know, they handled it very well. they just ignored him and just knew that he was ignorant. but my youngest, who just turned 7, he used to be terrified. i say used to be, because now he's come such a long way and he's found his strength and voice. but he's been living in this house since he turned 2. so that's all he knows. and so he was terrified. he would be afraid to get his
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ball if it ever went over there. or he would just constantly feel like he would come out and yell at him, which he had before. he would call the police on the kid it is they go on his lawn to get a toy. he was just so afraid of him. >> have you spoken to him? did you ever reach out to the neighbor and say hey, you know -- >> only one time, again, throughout the years we tried not to, you know, talk to him or provoke him or anything. but one morning, we had just begun virtual learning, september 2020. you know, it was a hard time for us all. i'm working remotely, and where our office is, it's right next to his open window. and the music was blaring, and i went out there, it was around 8:00. we had just logged in for school, and i asked him to turn it down. his response was, let me call
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the police and make sure i'm in good standing with the law to play my music. and i was floored, because how you just be a neighborly person, you know? a parent, anything, to just understand where i'm coming from. and he was adamant that he was doing nothing wrong. >> have you ever considered moving? >> absolutely not! no! >> so i've got to tell you, we reached out to your neighbor for comment, but haven't heard back. police have told us there's no crime being committed. what happens when you call the police? what do they tell you? >> umm, i tell them about the noise, and they say they'll come out and they do. every time. they come out and ask him to turn it down and he turns it down. the last time i called, and i expressed to them about the escalation with the "n" word and
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she said, ma'am, i'm sorry, there's nothing i can do. go down to your magistrate. and i said, okay, thinking that would be a solution. and this was on a saturday. monday morning, i go down to the magistrate and i felt dismissed. he said that it was a figure of speech or freedom of speech or a phrase, you know, and i just was like so where do i stand? so there's nothing i can do? he said we don't handle stuff like that, you have to go to civil court. i said okay. so i went to talk to a judge in civil court, and although he was a little bit more compassionate, he just basically told me that if he did not threaten my family or pose any bodily harm, that there's nothing the courts can do about it. so leaving the courtroom, i felt deflated. i felt so defeated.
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i just felt like i couldn't protect my kids, i couldn't imagine living like this while -- in my own home. i couldn't imagine it. it really broke my heart. >> it breaks all of our hearts and any rational person, as well. i hope you do find a solution. i think there's something or someone out there, some attorney or somebody who can help you with this. listen, again, i'm sorry. i have to let you go. but this is so frustrating, i can't even imagine how you feel. thank you. and you be safe, okay? >> thank you. >> thank you. hundreds of ex-police officers are raking in millions of dollars in taxpayer supported pension payments, but the thing is, they've all been convicted. cnn investigates, next. it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4.
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>> tonight, a cnn investigation. most of us are probably unaware that hundreds of police officers in many states across the country who have been convicted of serious crimes, including murder and rape, are still eligible to collect big payouts in taxpayer supported pensions. here's our correspondent drew griffin. >> reporter: across the country, police officers convicted of crimes violating the very laws they were sworn to uphold are raking in millions in retirement payments. in california, this former
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sheriff is collecting a whopping $265,000 a year out of a pension that could be worth $10 million. after he was convicted of witness tampering and serving time in prison. in new york, a university police officer found guilty of manslaughter for strangling his girlfriend and setting her body on fire is eligible for a $500,000 pension. and in minnesota, fired minneapolis police officer derek chauvin, convicted of killing george floyd, sentenced to more than 22 years in prison, is eligible for a retirement pension worth $1 million. cnn finds hundreds of police officers convicted of felonies and on the job corruption are still eligible for hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer supported pensions. >> the taxpayers should not be on the hook for someone that did not end their career the way they started, with honor and respect for the rule of law.
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>> reporter: in washington state, retired officer carl thompson is still getting paid out of a pension that is worth more than $600,000. it was in 2006 where he responded to a call. zem ksuffered from schizophreni. he had done nothing wrong, but officer thompson stormed into the store and headed straight for an unsuspecting zem. and without a single word spoken, without a warning, thompson beat him to the ground, just out of view of cameras. backup officers tased him, sat on him, hog-tied him, as horrified customers, listening to his final words saying all i wanted is a snickers. he lingered for two days in a hospital and died.
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>> we didn't just watch somebody arrest somebody, we watched a police officer murder someone in front of us. >> reporter: but no police officer would be charged with murder. for years, spokane police said the beating was justified and what the doj calls a cover up. it took six years to uncover the truth. thompson was convicted of violating his civil rights by using unreasonable force and attempting to conceal evidence. >> this case in part was to bring justice to him and to his family. >> reporter: carl thompson was 65 years old when he went to prison. and kept collecting his $24,000 a year retirement pension behind bars. they find it all appalling. >> to have a taxpayer pension go on for years and years and years or the rest of your life after you've been convicted of a crime like that, no, i disagree.
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>> reporter: while some states have passed laws stripping pensions from convicted cops, in more than 30 states, police officers would keep their pensions, even if they were found guilty of murder or rape while on the job. miami police chief acevedo believes the threat of losing a pension can be a powerful deterrent. >> pensions are important to people, so we need to make sure we have skin in the game and when officers do the wrong thing, they should be taken away. >> reporter: police advocates say that can be unfair to the police officers and their families. >> why build on a tragedy, when the officer's life is over? they are potentially in prison, they are civilly sued. so i would be in favor of not punishing the family that has been along the side of this officer. >> reporter: former officer carl thompson is now out of prison, retired and received more than $150,000 of his pension and
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could eventually rake in four times that amount. he's refused to speak to cnn. is mr. thompson in? you are? >> drew griffin with cnn. >> cnn as in the television station? >> yes, ma'am. >> no. you -- no. >> reporter: and otto ze m's family believes justice was not served. do you think he paid enough of a price? >> he's out. but i don't think he paid enough for it. >> proponents of taking away police officer's pensions point not just to the fairness for victim's families but also to at least one study that shows the threat of taking away police officer's pensions actually leads to better police behavior. don? >> drew griffin, thank you so much. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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