if you would like to make a donation, go to teambeansmarathon.com. today, andrew dedicated each mile of the race to a different child who has fought or is fighting cancer. the last mile, as you see, was for beans. andrew crossed the finish line in four hours and seven minutes. he did it for his daughter and every child and family touched by cancer. we are thinking about andrew and his wife tonight. the news continues. let's head over to chris for cuomo prime time. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. i'm chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." i wonder if people living through historic times know it. we sure are. do you realize that people will be talking about this period in american history for decades and decades and decades to come.

and my greatest fear is that historically it will be seen as a bad moment for democracy. why? because we've never seen one party in this damnable two-party system that we insist on go all in on a lie. so half of your political system is invested in a lie. that's happening. it's not just trump. the whole party practically backs actively or passively selling that the election was not legitimate. and i don't think enough people get that this may be just beginning. why do you keep talking about trump? because he's the head of the movement, yeah, but the election is over. he can run again. and they are all preparing to undermine anyone's confidence who isn't voting for them. the key moment that i think shows where we are and where we could be headed is not january

6th. it's a moment that came after, a moment it was clear that trumpers decided the best play was to do democracy dirty. i put it on this moment of may 12th. >> i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. i think that is all over with. >> now, mccarthy knew questioning the anchor of our democracy, our elections, was a bad thing to do, but he also knew he was going to do it. that same day, mccarthy said one thing but he did another. he kicked liz cheney out from her number three spot. remember that, same day, he said nobody is really doing that. why did he kick her out, because she didn't back trump. because she refused to question

biden's victory. that was the day that it became clear that this was not all over. in fact, they were all in. the man who helped the house minority leader mccarthy oust cheney, house minority whip scalise made clear just this sunday that the right has become consumed with something very wrong. >> do you think the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump? >> i've been very clear from the beginning, if you look at a number of states, they didn't follow their state passed laws. >> so you think the election was stolen? >> what i said is there are states that didn't follow their legislatively set rules. >> do you think the election was stolen or not? i understand you think there were irregularities and things

that need to be fixed. do you think the election was stolen? >> and it's not just irregularities, it's states that did not follow the laws set, which the constitution says they're supposed to follow. >> he can't say it. you could ask him a hundred times. the point is to go to why he won't say it, and that is because he's banking on the lie to motivate scared almost exclusively white voters. now, what i hope you can pay attention to is his rationale. he says we must get back to the constitution. that sounds great. it sounds patriotic. it is hollow. why? the election's clause to the united states constitution does make clear that time, place, and manner elements of our elections should be done by the state, states should make the rules, and congress can change them. he says states didn't follow their own laws. one, it's not about the constitution. don't wave it around like that

makes you a patriot. you're lying. lying is what is a judgment on your patriotism. and more importantly, him saying states didn't follow the laws just because you saw it a lot does not make it true, and it is not true according to the state officials who all certified including gop officials in key states. this is not about the law. it is not about the constitution, and it is not about the facts. conversely, it is about making those things not matter. they took liz cheney's position. but she still has a voice and she tweeted the truth. millions of americans have been sold a fraud that the election was stolen, liz cheney says. and republicans have a duty to tell the american people that is not true. their only duty, apparently, is to win. how else to explain a senator with 40 years of experience,

chuck grassley, who called what trump tried to pull off unconstitutional after january 6th. now, leading this horrifying defense of trump's coup attempt, a rebuttal to his own senate judiciary panel's findings, words i never thought i would hear from an american government official, that trying to overthrow our democracy was quote, not unreasonable. and he took that garbage on the road this weekend to literally stand by trump's side at a rally. listen to this. >> he got together his advisers, seven or eight people from the justice department and other people and he listened to their testimony and in the end, he decided he wasn't willing to do what one of those people in the justice department urged him to do. maybe you can overthrow this election. that was the advice that one person in the justice part was suggesting but just one person, and he rejected all of that. >> what a shame.

40 years, right down the toilet, grassley. right down the toilet. trump rejected all of that. again, grassley is the man who said what trump tried with pence was unconstitutional. the senator is lying. grassley's own committee found that trump pressured top doj officials nine times to overturn the election. trump summoned them to the oval office. he wasn't the audience. trump's own lawyer laid out a coup blueprint for mike pence to follow step by step. trump asked georgia secretary of state to find him 11,780 votes. the truth is obvious. and that makes grassley and all the others insistent on denying it so frightening. this isn't about being angry or calling people names. we're way past that. i don't even know what the fix is, defending a demagogue is bad enough. but this is not about changing the past. it's about putting the future in

peril. now, listen to this. >> hillary conceded. i never conceded, never. no reason to concede. >> you lost. that's the reason. because you respect something other than your own satisfaction, that's why. however, while trump is desperately trying to sell the big lie, he just told the truth about one thing and it is key. you heard him in the first part, clinton did concede. clinton conceded, he said. you know why? because she did. remember that. you're going to hear people on the right who want you to sleep on this threat saying come on, this is no different than what

happened when clinton won and she wouldn't concede. she did concede. it's no different than stacey abrams or the democrats did when they lost. that is a lie. now, that doesn't mean i don't like what they're saying. again, i think the two-party system is killing us. and its time has passed. this is about something else. a lie doesn't mean i don't like it. it's not a k away from a different word. if you don't like it, it's a lie. that's not how it works. there were questions that stacey abrams and other democrats had about rules and counts. there often are questions. our election system is imperfect. we have made it more so with what's happening around the states right now. there's nothing wrong with pushing back and looking for

proof. that's my job. and if there were proof to be found, we would blast it because that is the best currency of this democracy. questioning is different than finding no proof and then lying and refusing to certify. that's what trump and co did. there are not good people on both sides of this argument. and i will be dammed if i sit by and don't say this as plainly as possible because this will be remembered. and there are not good people on both sides. this is not a good faith dispute. it is bad faith. they know the election was not rigged. they know it was legitimate. anyone telling you with full knowledge that they have no proof and yet the election wasn't legit is part of an effort that may lead us to an all-time low. sadly, i think bill maher has it right.

>> i was a young man of 59 when i started using the term slow moving coup, and it pains me to have to report it's still moving. 2024 comes and democrats treat it as a normal election year. they are living in a dream world. even if they win, trump won't accept it. but this time, his claims of illegal voting by immigrants or mail-in ballots coming in after the deadline or the system was hacked by venezuela or whatever giuliani comes up with on the fly, they will be fully embraced by the stooges he's installing right now, the dingdongs who sacked the capitol last year, that was like when al qaeda tried to take down the world trade center the first time with a van. it was a joke. but the next time they came back with planes. >> now, listen, you can take

issue. 9/11 is a sensitive thing. bill maher tests. that's what he does. i'm not here to critique his style. what i'm saying is that he is not wrong that this is not over and that january 6th was scary, but it was probably just symbolic of what may be to come. let's bring in a better mind who's been listening to what's being said. phil bump is one of our best cultural watch dogs. not that's he's going to come out bashing. he listens this guy, i read him all the time, not because of the genius and cleverness he comes up at "the washington post," how to explain things, but he listens to what's happening in the society around us. and he sees things often in a way that it takes the rest of us more time to see.

and you've been talking about this, that there is this invitation that if it was incomplete, it's okay. that if it wasn't an express felony, then it is fine because they only attempted it, but it never happened, so it's okay. what do you think of the idea that things are not over, phillip, that there's more to come of the same variety and worse? >> yeah, i think it's an almost certainty. we saw in california during the recall election for example, larry elder, the leading republican candidate tried to sow the seeds of, you know, claims of fraud even before the election happened. he had his web site up basically saying there had been rampant fraud before voting was done. he got beaten badly enough he didn't try to go to the well. we're going to see in 2024 see states that are facing new pressure, you know, legislators in those states, executives in those states who have watched what happened in 2020, who understand the importance of certification, who understand

what the pressure points are in a way that they didn't coming into the 2020 election but now all of this has been tested. there's been this trial run and i think it's almost certain we will see states if there are close results in those states who come back and say you know what, we're not certain about this thing, and we're not going to certify the results and throw everything into tumult. >> i think again how the system works and how we vet the system, and what the layers are, that's one thing. this is about passions over proof, and what did you make of the fact that over the weekend trump put out a video to mark the birthday of ashli babbitt, the rioter, she wound up being shot and killed trying to breakthrough a door inside the capitol. what do you make of trump celebrating her?

>> i mean, i'll say it first, i don't think there's anyone in america who doesn't wish she hadn't died that day. there was no reason for her to. there was no reason for them to be in the capitol the way they were quite obviously but all of them were suffering under this delusion that trump had fomented. the fact that he came out and it wasn't just that he was celebrating her life and recognizing her service to the country because she served in the air force, but he was re-casting her as a victim. he was continuing this argument that he's made that the people who have been arrested because of january 6th are show political prisoners and he was celebrating her essentially as a martyr, which is exactly what happens in circumstances historically when you see, for example, fascist authoritarians seize power. they seize upon these incidents as emotional ways of reframing

political violence, and trump has long embraced political violence. this is a very direct example of that centered on a day in which people tried to overthrow, you know, the results of the 2020 election. >> phillip bump, i appreciate you being here. the reason i'm not saying sos what's the fix because i don't answer questions i know there's no good answer to, and we don't know right now but we know there's a problem and too many people are sleeping on it. phillip, always a pleasure, brother. i'll check with you soon. now, look, again, i don't think it is a question whether trump would try to undermine anything that works to his advantage. he has never done anything else. what's new is not his habits. it's that they have been adopted by an entire party. an expert on authoritarianism is here. don't get caught up with like, you know, big words. it's about how democracies do, in fact, die.

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you're going to hear people telling you increasingly that there's danger, and you'll hear the people who are accused of causing it saying, boy, listen to them clutching their pearls and all these other silly ways of dismissing the urgency. if you ask the republicans who were willing to defy trump and voted to convict him for inciting the insurrection, even they will say there is nothing to worry about. i'm waiting for sound. but now it's just become a pregnant pause. >> have leaders of the republican party who have willingly gone along as though they're members of a cult. we are still in the midst of a concerted, well-funded effort to undermine american democracy.

>> we all saw in realtime what happened on january 6th at the capitol building. that was in effect a dress rehearsal for something that could be happening in the near term, 2022, 2024. >> what you heard there is true, but there's a huge problem to it, that gets to one of the big reasons we're stuck on this course. let's bring in a truly better mind, steven levitsky, a professor at harvard and the author of "how democracies die," thank you for taking the invitation. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, chris. the flaw is not what clinton said or fiona hill said is wrong, it's they will not be listened to. forget about clinton. and fiona hill, she went bad on trump. so knowing that believes the big lie will ever listen to either of them. when you size up our situation,

we all get the problem. do you see a path to correction or what a fix is here that's being ignored? >> well, i don't think very many republican leaders believe the big lie. the problem is they're willing to either remain silent or perpetuate the big lie. and i think the most straightforward way out of this mess is for mainstream republicans to stop lying, to start telling the truth to their supporters, and to be willing not to support donald trump when he runs for president again in 2024. if we build a broad coalition that includes all wings of the democratic party and republicans who believe in -- who still believe in democracy, then the authoritarian forces in this country can be isolated and defeated. >> how so? because here's what i don't

understand about that. i read the op-ed from, who was it, christi todd whitman, and miles taylor who wrote the anonymous, you know, the thing about trump. miles taylor. here's the part i don't get. help me with this professor, they say we got to join with the democrats, moderate democrats to make sure we get people that are legitimate in there and get rid of these trumpers. that doesn't work in an election structure. you got to elect republicans or democrats because we're in a dammed two party system, so how do you manifest what you see as this coalition of the conscientious. >> well, first of all, i'm not saying it's easy. there's no silver bullet. there's no magic formula for saving our democracy. we are without question headed into some rough waters but what it's going to take, is first of all it's going to take kudos to christi todd whitman, but it's going to take more republicans

refusing to support any ballot, any nominees, who align with trump. so that means backing democratic candidates. it won't change, there will still be a large number of votes for trump, but it's not enough to win. it would reduce the authoritarian core to 35% of the vote. and that's enough. >> i get you on a 2024 scale. i'm thinking more 2022. i hear you. let's reverse it for a second. people will listen and say the bookish guy from harvard, and cuomo's never found something that didn't make him upset. this is nothing. this is just politics, when the democrats say something's wrong with an election, that's okay. the republicans say it, now they're all authoritarians, do you believe that there is any hype to the suggestion that the big lie is an existential problem for this democracy? >> look, i think it was reasonable that when daniel and i wrote "how democracies die" in 2017, when it came out in 2018,

these guys are overstating the case, they're a little too alarmist. i think after the 2020 election when donald trump became the first president in the history of the u.s. republic to refuse to accept defeat, when donald trump spent two months actively seeking to overturn the election, stealing election illegally, calling 30 public officials, including governors, secretaries of state, state legislators, telling them, asking them to find him votes to steal the election, and then incited the first violent assault on the capitol in more than 200 years. it's difficult for me to imagine anybody thinking that those who were concerned about the fate of u.s. democracy are alarmist anymore. i think for the vast majority of

americans, the threat is very clear. >> professor, the book is "how democracies die," "how democracies die" it was written a few years ago, and it was seen as this is smart but this is what academics do, they exaggerate for effect to show how smart they are. they could have never guessed that it would come the way it has come afterwards because nobody saw trump coming in this kind of situation that we have, but professor levitsky, it's worth a read, although you're going to have to add some chapters because i think we have extremists yet to come. i would love to have you back on the show: as we see what the next play is, i would love you to help the audience fit it into the context of what it could mean. >> we have another book coming, chris. >> oh, beautiful. >> hopefully it's not an

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tony fauci says you can trick or treat. i find that hilarious. tony fauci's job isn't to tell you whether or not you can trick or treat. of course these are all decisions that we have to make for ourselves. it's about where the risk is and why. it's not about do or don't. as we approach the holidays beyond today americans across the country are wondering what that may look like for the second year amid the pandemic. vaccines, we've done well. we're not where we need to be. take home tests, you can get.

buy them at cvs, not hard to use. i do multiple ones because they are not as reliable as pcr tests but they're something. maybe now you get an oral drug. you do know that the drug, if you take it by mouth or monoclonal antibodies you know they don't keep you from getting sick, right. i wish whoever is putting that idea in your head would stop. the pill, monoclonal antibodies, they help you once you are very sick. day don't keep you from getting sick. it's a key distinction. the vaccine does. now, where are we, and where are we going to be, halloween, thanksgiving, christmas. my next guest is the author of uncontrolled spread, why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. he says we're closer to the end than some may think. joining us now, former fda commissioner, member of pfizer's board of directors, dr. scott gottlieb. good to see you, doc. how big of a deal is it that we don't have a confirmed commissioner for the fda? >> look, we have a very good acting commissioner of the fda, dr. janet woodcock has been in

that seat all through the biden administration. i think quite frankly, the administration was better off with an experienced official than bringing in someone from the outside: having been in that role myself there's a steep learning curve and having someone that can hit the ground day one and be effective from the outset has been an advantage for the administration as opposed to trying to recruit someone from the outside. that said, they have said that they're going to appoint someone into that position imminently or make an announcement about an appointment maybe within days from now. >> my sources in the administration say the same thing, and they're worried they're going to trade down, but i just wanted to get that out there on the record because it's a point of, you know, they're keeping -- the republicans are keeping this from happening but right now, the status quo isn't the worst thing. so i think messaging is getting screwed up theory again.

pandemic, endemic, these are not words that people use. explain to me where we are transitioning from and to in terms of what it means in every day life. >> well, look, we're in a pandemic right now where there's uncontrolled spread across the world and across the united states for that matter. at some point, we're going to transition to a phase when it becomes a persistent risk. you don't have the extreme levels of virus that we have right now in certain parts of the country. that's when it becomes an endemic illness, like flu, enterovirus, it doesn't go away but we learn to deal with it as a persistent menace. it's not a binary point in time. we're not going to be able to say that was the moment, but we are transitioning right now and i think this delta wave of infection is probably the last major wave of infection we have to grapple with before this becomes an endemic risk. many people think the delta variant will become the dominant variant and future mutations will be within that delta lineage. one reason why we may switch the vaccines to a delta backbone vaccine. we're not through the wave.

the south is through it, but other parts of the country haven't had their real delta wave. >> then why mandate the vaccine, we're going to get through it anyway, and if people want the vaccine, they get it, if not, they can get the pill, the antibodies, don't mandate it. it's just causing trouble. >> the reason we're going to get through this, and accelerate to an endemic phase with the virus is because of the vaccine. if you look at past pandemics, they have lasted upwards of five years. this pandemic probably won't last that long for the west and the reason is because of our technological tool box which you laid out at the top. it's not just the vaccines, it's the therapeutics, point of care diagnostics, people can self-diagnose at home and get themselves treated but the vaccine is key part of that. the fact that we can build a wall of immunity through vaccination, and not just mass infecting the population is going to be how we accelerate

out of the pandemic into an endemic phase with the virus where we can hopefully get out. >> kids 5 to 11 being vaccinated, that's the key, why? >> well, look it's one key. i think we need to protect the children but what we have seen time and time again, if we can control the virus in adults, we can control the virus in children. if we can get more adults vaccinated and keep the infection level down in adults that's going to ultimately protect the kids as well as vaccinating them, so you know, most kids who get infected get it from adults, they're not catching it from other kids in most cases, except where we're seeing outbreaks in the school setting. vaccinating kids is going to be important. i'm going to vaccinate my kids when they're eligible. a lot of parents are thinking about vaccinating their kids. a third of parents said they

made the decision to do it once it's available. and i think every parent should consult their pediatrician and gets questions they have about vaccinating their kids answered. >> what is christmas looking like? >> i think we'll probably be through this delta wave all around the country sometime around thanksgiving or shortly thereafter. prevalence declines around the nation. i think we need to be careful through the winter. this is a winter pathogen. it will continue to circulate but not at the levels we're seeing right now after we get through this delta wave. you're seeing epidemic spread in the midwest and plains states. i think the north is going to have some kind of delta surge, certainly not like what we saw in the south because there's more vaccination, and prior immunity from prior infection. the northeast and northern parts of the country are still going to see a delta uptick. after we get through the delta surge across the whole country, i think christmas prevalence levels will start to decline, and once we get through the spring, this will really start to decline. >> we will see. the three most loaded words we have in science and politics. thank you very much, doctor, we appreciate you. >> thanks a lot. we have a question, vaccine mandates are they screwing up

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everything these days is a political football. somehow the southwest airlines melt down has ended up on the list. according to senator ted cruz the southwest debacle that resulted in one in ten flights being cancelled today and over 2,000 this weekend is the president's fault. he writes joe biden's illegal vaccine mandate at work, suddenly we're short on pilots and air traffic controllers, #thanksjoe. i wonder who the texas senator spoke to considering the pilot's union says the chaos was not a result of the vaccine mandate. i wonder how he feels about the big lie? why doesn't he spend more time on that?

he's a constitutional expert, legal expert, all about law and order, no concerns about bashing elections without proof? remember you said your proof was what you read in the paper, ted? still good with that? anyway, the airline blamed weather and air traffic control, which is also interesting because the faa said it had no staffing issues since friday. arguably the only coordinated effort could be from those on the right considering that tonight texas governor greg abbott issued an executive order prohibiting employer vaccine mandates. you'll remember southwest airlines is headquartered in dallas, texas. let's get some perspective on the southwest woes from the points guy founder and ceo brian kelly. good to see you, brian. >> thanks very having me. >> you think this is about the vaccine mandate or something else? >> no, i mean, all signs right now point to the fact that it's simply operational staffing

shortages. you know, southwest, you know, incentivized a lot of employees to retire early, and frankly travel has bounced back so quickly and their schedules are so tight that the littlest things happen and it's a domino effect. you know, our team at the points guy, we've tried to get the inside scoop. was this a hush hush thing, you know, against the mandate, and everything that's turned back so far is that that is simply not the case. >> all right. so here's the push back. well, if you were right, then it wouldn't just be southwest because everybody's dealing with shortages, everybody's dealing with tight schedules, why did this happen to them? >> well, southwest is different. they don't have a hub and spoke like traditional airlines. and by the way, this is happening to others. spirit airlines had a meltdown in july that was very similar. you know, what happens is with these airlines that don't have hubs is their planes and crews are all over the country, so one cancellation cascades. so there might have been a couple of weather pockets here or there that most airlines can

recover from, but southwest has been scheduling its pilots and its schedules on very tight margins, so this was simply a snowball effect. >> united is reporting 96% vaccination among employees. it seems like a lot of people because of the mandate, they want to keep their job or they're just being conscientious so they comply. southwest hasn't released numbers thus far. what are you hearing about employees and mandates in the industry? >> yeah, i mean, delta also hasn't officially mandated it to their employees. you know, in canada, they mandated it, except for local freight carriers. you know, i think, you know, the majority of people support it. people want to be safe while flying. it will be interesting to see how it plays out especially with governor abbott and his new executive order. >> if southwest is using the vaccine mandate as cover, does

that bother you? >> of course. i also think it's shady to throw the faa under the bus with blaming them and weather, and i think they also, you know, they lost a lot of credibility coming out and saying that. they're feeding these conspiracy theories because they were not honest about the true reason for the cancellations, so i think they need to do a much better job not just at p.r. but also with customer service. thousands of passengers weren't even notified that flights were cancelled. my friend was rescheduled on a flight at 4:00 in the morning, he got an e-mail he had to be there at 6:00. southwest needs to learn from this, and frankly all airlines need to do a lot better getting new people to work at the airlines, training pilots, that's going to be a huge issue in the coming years. >> you flagged when you're looking at melt downs like this, don't worry about the vaccine mandates, or even just staffing shortages but also new rules. what new rules? >> new rules, not exactly sure what you're asking. >> that the melt down isn't just about staffing with pilots but

also new rules that mandate crew rest, pilots needing to be behind the door of a hotel now. >> yeah, so the good thing is, you know, to protect consumers and safety, pilots now need to spend at least eight hours behind a hotel room door. this just makes scheduling with an already small amount of pilots, there's just, you know, it's better for passengers because pilots are well rested. it's making it harder for airline schedulers to make these schedules work. the simple solution is airlines need to put their operations above profit, you know, united's already doing this with, you know, taking more flights off the schedule so they don't have these types of hiccups. i think southwest is going to have to take a long hard look at its fall schedule, especially as holidays are coming up. we have over 2 million people traveling a day, especially as kids get vaccinated there's going to be more people flying in the skies. >> brian kelly, founder of the points guy, thank you very much, appreciate you. >> thanks for having me. gabby petito reported

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tonight marks one month since gabby petito was reported missing. still a lot of unanswered questions surrounding her death. but by this time tomorrow we'll probably understand how she died, what was done to her, the injuries, and what that tells the county coroner in wyoming about what may have transpired between her and whoever killed her. and they're going to hold a press conference about the autopsy. all we know from police so far

is that the 22-year-old's death was ruled a homicide, meaning death by someone else. how exactly? we're going to know. but what does that mean about who? now, we know where she was and obviously, it's instructive that she was not hidden. she wasn't secreted somewhere. she wasn't buried. she was found in a clearing in bridger teton national park right by the site. listen to the idea of this is if she was found in such a familiar place that maybe this was done in a rush. it was spontaneous. it was an act of passion. that's why people point to fiance brian laundrie especially because though he hasn't been accused in the killing and has a federal arrest warrant for the unauthorized use of somebody else's debit card, maybe gabby's, the fact he wouldn't contact her family, he wouldn't help with her search, and that then he disappeared are all

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from sport into culture. >> into the breaking news category there. we'll cover it in a moment and get your take here quickly before i tell the audience what happened, i'd like to break it after we speak, this is bad behavior if true and -- >> we're talking about jon gruden, the coach of the las vegas raiders. >> yeah. >> he was a very popular tv analyst. he was with the tampa bay buccaneers. he's a very well-known commodity within the nfl. he got called out for saying ugly and racist things -- >> in e-mails. >> -- about the head of the players union. an e-mail. he said i'm not a racist. he apologized. he said it was a long time ago. but now there's more. >> he said there is not a stick i'm paraphrasing here of racism in him but apparently, the new e-mails, there's been a trove, another trove of e-mails, chris, that have been uncovered and revealed and reportedly in these e-mails it doesn't show what he said in that apology that he he made jus