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america's longstanding policy of strategic ambiguity toward taiwan. but beijing heard that -- what biden said and the stakes couldn't be higher, as china sends a record number of warplanes into taiwan's defense zone, including fighter jets and nuclear-capable bombers. thanks for joining us tonight. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news, and unanswered questions in the fatal shooting with a prop handgun on the set of an alec baldwin movie that wounded the film's director and took the life of the director of photography, helena hutchins. it happened near santa fe, new mexico. baldwin himself pulled the trigger and as hard as it might be to believer, this is the third such deadly incident involving prop firearms. in a moment, new word on working conditions on set, specifically whether safety protocols were followed. first, though, the call to
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county 911 which was obtained by cnn affiliate. usual warnings about difficult content apply. >> fire and ems. >> bonanza creek ranch we have had two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. >> okay. bonanza creek ranch. stay on the phone with me. we are going to get some help. okay? don't hang up. okay? just one second. >> it sounds like somebody else is calling for two ambulances. >> everybody should be -- we need some help our director and our camera man -- camerawoman has been shot. >> so was it loaded with a real bullet? >> we don't -- i cannot tell you that. we have two injuries from a movie gunshot. >> okay. we are getting them out there, already. just stay on the phone with me. >> okay. >> no, no, no, i am a script supervisor. >> how many people were injured?
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>> two that i know of. i was sitting -- west were rehearsing and it went off. i ran out. we all ran out. they were doubled over, the ad and the camerawoman and the director. they are clearing the road to come back. we're back in the town. we're back in the western town. >> is there any serious bleed something. >> i don't know. i ran out of the building. >> i still have to go through these. okay? are they completely alert? >> we don't know. i can't tell. >> hello? >> hi. i have a protocol of questions i need to ask. just answer the best you can. okay? >> okay. >> are they completely alert? >> yeah, they are alert. >> what part of the body was injured? >> i'm not sure. i'm not in there. >> okay. that's fine. is there more than one wound? >> i think there's one on -- on -- on two individuals. >> one wound on two individuals? okay. >> yeah. >> okay. i am sending the ambulance now. stay on the line.
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okay? >> as mentioned, there are many unanswered questions here. cnn's lucy kafanov is working the story for us. joins us from santa fe. lucy? >> reporter: well, anderson, we have been told that a search warrant has been issued for the bonanza creek ranch where this incident took place. sheriffs tell us they'll be carefull carefully combing through the property this week end, searching for clues and evidence. they say they doinate expect to update us before monday. now, the da office say they don't know at this stage whether any charges will be filed as authorities try to piece together how this tragedy could have taken place. tonight, after alec baldwin says he's fully cooperating in the investigation into the fatal shooting onset of the movie "rust." >> bonanza creek ranch had two people accidentally shot. >> reporter: officials say they are still in the initial stages of their investigation into what led to the fatal incident when baldwin discharged a prop weapon
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onset. director joel souza rushed by a ambulance to a local hospital with injuries. the film's director of photography, ha leana hutchins was pronounced dead after being transported to a helicopter to the hospital. commonly used on movie soets that aren't without their own risks. >> prop weapons do have a dangerous factor to them, even though they are a lot safer than using a live firearm on set. >> reporter: 42-year-old hutchins who posted on instagram from the new mexico location only days ago, lived in los angeles with her husband and son. and was credited in the production of dozens of film, tv, and video titles. today, baldwin tweeting from the account he shares with his wife, there are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of halyna hutchins. i am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. these tragic accidents on movie sets have happened before.
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actor brandon lee, son of bruce lee, was killed in 1993 on set of the movie crow when the fragment of a dummy bullet became lodged in a prop gun which fatally wounded lee in the abdomen. shannon lee posting on her brother's verified twitter account our hearts go out photo family of halyna hutchins, joe souza, and to all involved in the incident on rust, no one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set, period. >> lucy, have we heard anything from the families of -- of those who were shot? >> reporter: not joel souza who possibly is still in the hospital but we have heard from the husband of halyna hutchins who spoke out to insiders saying, quote, i don't think there are words to communicate the situation by all accounts, the 42-year-old was a rising star in the film world. but also, just in, anderson, prior to thursday's incident. prior to the shooting, there
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have been new news reports indicating that several crew members actually quit the production over concerns about safety. covid-safety procedures. but also, apparently, gun-safety procedures. these are according to reports by the l.a. times and other media outlets. obviously, we are trying to track that reporting in further detail. >> lucy kafanov, appreciate it. we want to have more on that report tonight from the los angeles times. here is a passage attributed by the times to three people familiar with the matter. i am quoting now. safety protocol standard in the industry including gun inspections were not strictly followed on the rust set near santa fe, the sources said. they said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production safety -- excuse me, to production managers about gun safety on the set. joining us now is l.a. times writer. thanks for being with us. what are you able to tell us based on your reporting about the on-set conditions? >> yeah, i just want to shout out my colleagues as well who
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have been updating the story this afternoon. and we have all been sort of, like, you know, all hands at it trying to confirm what's happen ed on this set. the information is sparse but what we have been able to confirm is is that about half a dozen camera crew workers walked off just before, you know, hours before this incident happened. they had actually turned up that morning to collect their gear. um, and had witnessed other according to our reporting other sort of nonunion crew coming to sort of replace them. and they -- that -- that sort of relevant because, obviously, when you -- a lot of hollywood production is unionized and with that comes certain training and qualifications, and whatnot. and -- and so, that -- that's one of the big things is that they -- the crew were unhappy. the crew were unhappy and walking off. part of that was about gun safety. misfires that some -- some of the crew have -- have reported.
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um, and also, you know, being asked to drive 50 miles from albuquerque to santa fe, which is something that is really a big issue for crew generally which is adding to long days and tiredness. >> the -- was this a -- i assume this wasn't a big-budget film. it sounds like they were sort of -- i mean, if they are telling the crew to drive, you know, 50 miles instead of staying in santa fe, i guess, to saifb money. do you know about the budget? >> my understanding is that this is a low-budget movie. probably just a few million dollars. we don't obviously have the exact numbers. and they fall under a different sort of category of contract that, you know, productions work on. they -- different major movies and, you know, tv shows in hollywood. and those require, i know, major contracts require certain amount of rest between -- between days and so forth. and actually, earlier this week,
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you probably know there was going to be a strike over the terms of these contracts. that was called off because crew were offered by producers, as part of a deal, you know, a guaranteed 54-hour break from what was zero. so you can kind of get an idea of the working conditions and, you know, to my understanding, these low budget productions are not necessarily having to adhere to the same kind of protocols. >> i understand you have learned more about the cinematographer who was killed and what she had been advocating for in terms of safety on the set? >> yeah. so, helena hutchins had been, as your reporters said, had been a rising star. and also, you know, rare to have a female cinematographer in -- in the industry. you know, rising up and also doing genre films like a western. and she had apparently been advocating for safety on -- on this shoot. um, and you know, i guess felt alone by her crew, colleagues.
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and she sort of stayed. but she -- she -- she was obviously upset and in tears as we've been reported by the situation before this fatal incident happened. >> just so awful for her family and everybody involved. appreciate it. thank you. joining us now is larry, who is 59 film and tv series to his fame name, gun handler and armor. also with us, cnn legal analyst, laura coates. um, larry, i appreciate your time tonight. is this -- this is obviously still an ongoing investigation. there are limited details we have. just in layman 's terms, can yo though walk us through how prop guns are usually handled on film sets and the safety guidelines that should go along with them? >> of course, in the television and film industry, the safety guidelines and protocols when handling firearms are governed by safety bullet number one. the correct recommendations for
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handling firearms and blank ammunition on set. that gives us all of the guidelines required for what we do with the guns, how we handle them, how they're stored, as well as the blank ammunition. all the protocols, as well. there are very stringent protocols. the firearms are always under the control of the prop master or someone designated by the prop master, and that is usually the armorer to be responsible for the firearms when they are onset. >> and i mean, have you come across scenarios where projectiles of some kind are found in prop guns? even if the prop gun has whatever, you know, whatever they have that -- that makes it look like it's firing a real bullet. is that something that can become a projectile? >> yeah, i have not personally, myself, come across a situation like that. of course, as you mentioned earlier, we really don't know yet exactly what the situation
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was. so i -- i hesitate to speculate on that at this time. >> what is normally in a prop gun? >> usually, if you see gunfire onset, it's a firearm that is set up to shoot blanks. a blank is a form of cartridge, where in the real world, that cartridge would include a bullet or a projectile which is the part that goes flying down range. a blank does not have that projectile. by design, it's created so that we can simulate gunfire. you can get the -- the -- the audible bang. you can get smoke and some flash coming out the muzzle. but no projectile is propelled down range. >> and, laura, you heard this l.a. times reporting about alleged concerns among some crew members about safety on set. again, we have no idea if that has any impact on what occurred. if it's accurate, i mean, what are the potential legal liabilities here? >> you know, what a tragedy?
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it's so unfortunate to even be talking about this. when i hear the words about complaints, the immediate legal term that comes to mind is notice. that somebody was on notice about safe or unsafe working conditions and if that's the case, it can trigger a whole range of things in terms of civil liability. in terms of who was in charge of making sure that the workplace was safe. that whatever safety protocols should have been enforced or implemented were, in fact, followed. and if complaints were told or said that indicated there was a lapse of either due care or the normal course of due care you're supposed to expect, then you have issues. you also have, frankly, on the criminal side, nobody wants to try to introduce that. and we understand why it's -- you know, we don't know anything in terms of intent or anything but the law does recognize the idea of there can be some liability even in the case of an accident. now, new mexico does have a code. a statute that talks about excusable homicide. homicide, meaning death at the hands of another person. it doesn't necessarily mean
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intentional murder or premeditation, which we don't have any indication occurred here. but if it's a matter of misfortune they are talking about or accident, as long as the person was engaged in an otherwise lawful act, and they exercised the due care that you would ordinary accept -- ordinarily expect -- then you do have some ways to alleviate that liability. but there are so many concerns that have been raised. the reasons you've given. but really, it comes down to what was known? what protocols were filed -- were actually followed? and whether due care was actually used. >> larry, with a prop gun, is there a certain distance between actors that's advised, i know, if -- if it's going to be fired? also, if -- even if it's not in a scene, would an actor, under the rules, be handed a prop gun to just kind of hold onto? um, or even during a rehearsal, hold onto? >> yeah.
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so um, as far as the minimum-safety distance goes, it's -- it's not advised. it's mandated. part of the protocols mandate that there's a minimum 20-foot safety distance between the muzzle and anything that could be harmed by any potential hazards due to the blank -- >> wow. >> there is a lot of different ways that you can film a scene. you can do it with long lenses where the camera is actually much further away than 20 feet. if you, for whatever reason, had to be within 20 feet, you could put up a physical barrier. in other words, a sheet that can actually separate the muzzle from anything that's -- that's in the danger zone of that 20 feet. so there is a lot of different possibilities there. as far as an -- an actor not being in the scene handling the weapon, if the gun is not in front of camera and it's not ready to be used in front of
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camera, it should be secured by the prop master or someone designated by the prop master and that is usually the armorer. and then, just before the scene is filmed, the guns would be returned to the actors. >> larry, i appreciate your expertise and i am sorry that it's needed tonight and in this circumstance. thank you so much. and laura coates, as well. thank you. coming up next. there is braeaking news in the january 6th investigation. a sfral pusher of the big lie and a key figure in the scheme to overturn the election now has a date -- a date to testify. later, new reporting on facebook and january 6th. what the company's own analysis reveals about how it failed to halt the growth of the movement dedicated to the election lie. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. looks like we're walking, kid.
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ask your healthcare provider about rybelsus® today. when you're driving a lincoln, stress seems to evaporate into thin air. which leaves us to wonder, where does it go? does it get tangled up in knots? or fall victim to gravity? or maybe it winds up somewhere over the bermuda triangle. perhaps you'll come up with your own theory of where the stress goes. behind the wheel of a lincoln is a mighty fine place to start. there is breaking news tonight about the senior justice department official. in fact, he nearly named jeffrey clark, acting attorney general, the highest law enforcement official in the land who was only stopped when faced with the threat of mass resignation to the department of justice. now, two sources familiar with the house select committee's
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investigation say clark will testify a week from today. this comes at the end of a day that also saw federal judge set a november 4th hearing date on the former president's executive privilege claim on january 6th related documents. more now on all this from cnn's evan perez, who join us from the capitol. so what more do we know about clark testifying before the committee? >> reporter: well, anderson, this is a -- he is going to be testifying as a result of the subpoena that the committee issued. his former boss is jeffrey rosen, rich donoghue, the former-attorney general and deputy attorney general at the time, they testified voluntarily. and so, this testimony which we expect to happen next week really will give this committee a window into a central character of that drama that happened in those days -- those key days, the end of december, early january -- when trump was trying to get the justice department to weigh in on his side in these baseless claims that there was fraud in various
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states. and so, we know that clark was having conversations with trump. one of the things the committee wants to know is who was he working with besides donald trump, himself? some of the legal things that he was trying to do, some of the legal documents that he came up with. was he working with others inside the u.s. government? was he working with people outside? those are the questions that are at the top of the mind of the members of this committee. >> what about the upcoming hearing on the former president's executive privilege claim? what -- is there any expectation on that? >> well, yeah. so, this is going to be a big -- a big hearing, anderson, because i mean, look, after five years, you know, we keep talking about the norms that trump broke. this is another example of this. donald trump is going to go to court claiming that he has the right to intervene and try to stop some documents from being produced from the national archives to the january-6th committee. the current holder of the -- of the office, joe biden, has waived privilege on this set of documents and we have not really
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had a legal fight like this before. and so, we are going to see what -- what this judge does. we expect probably that donald trump will lose at least in the first round. but it's not going to be over then. you can bet that he is going to try to appeal, and we will see what -- how this shakes out. >> evan perez, appreciate it. there is new reporting in "axios" outlining the sfreem likelihood of the former president being the 2024 republican nominee. cnn political analyst and "axios" managing editor, marg et talev is shares byline. also, david gergen. margaret, i want to ask you about some of your latest reporting that the former president is thinking seriously about running again. even going so far as to tell some of the people around him that he is running. can you just talk about more of what you have learned? >> yeah, anderson. i mean, i don't know whether donald trump is actually going to run again, whether he could actually get elected again given that he is still perpetuating a lie that the election was stolen. given his role in january 6th. but mike alan and i are hearing
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from people close to the president now that there has been a shift since the end of the summer till now, that they now believe it's definitely more than 50% likely. and another person told me this week that if the republicans win the senate, as well as the house next year, there could be irresistible to president trump. >> david, what do you make of that? >> i think the signs are just as margaret says. the signs are that he's increasingly interested. strikingly, anderson, intensify when he sees biden in trouble. during the afghanistan situation, he was really chomping at the bit, according to the various reports, heed lavandera he had to be talked about it. and now, the economy still not straightening out and pandemic still not over, you know, there -- that just makes trump very, very hungry. i think it's going to take something hugely unexpected. or change -- dramatic change in
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his health or prison sentence to stop him. >> margaret, the former president's obviously been endorsing loyalists who back his fraud claims around the country. he is still clearly pushing the -- the big lie. that would -- i assume, be part of his campaign. he can't stop talking about it and pushing it. um, is there any sign that -- that -- that it's cost him poli politically? >> you know, there is new polling this week, the latest quinnipiac shows almost eight in ten republicans say they want trump to win. it is very early. it's too early to read anything really lasting into poll numbers. if you look at the overall numbers, a majority of americans definitely do not want him to run again. and majority of independents even are against it. but that's not what primaries are about. primaries are about the base and there are a couple other factors. david's right. all these things, afghanistan, bad jobs numbers, biden's numbers going underwater but there are a couple things to watch. one is the acceleration of this
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january 6th committee. one is the turnout at his own rally in iowa and the last part i would keep an eye on is the really intense republican anger around both the school masking rules, and what's happening with the backlash against public schools teaching really anything about racism put under this umbrella of critical-race theory but it is not about a legal theory. it's lessons teaching children about the modern-day impacts of the legacy of racism. but these have been galvanizing -- galvanizing forces and that trump sees different opportunities, a different window for what a 2024 run could look like. >> also, some interesting information about mike pence? >> yeah. like, look. obviously, trump is keeping an eye on everyone who could be competition for him. is it ron desantis? is it mike pompeo? we know it's not nikki haley. she's already said if he is on the ballot, she is not going to run. but mike pence notably has not said that and donald trump is
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paying attention. could mike pence beat donald trump in a primary? no republican that i talked to think so. but could he make it really interesting and what would he say? he was the vice president and an extreme loyalist until this breaking point around january the 6th. and even now, is careful in his critique and criticism and the way he talks about it. so where is this all going? i don't know. but this is a subject of actually intense interest among trump and -- and his allies. >> i'm sure. i mean, david, can you imagine mike pence running if -- if the fo former president is running? i mean, that seems hard to imagine. >> no. no, it does. wouldn't it be a dramatic contest that all of us would follow with great interest? it would have almost shakespearian qualities to it. he doesn't really care what trump's going to do. he is going to do what he wants to do and if trump gets in, fine.
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he obviously would prefer he not get in. i would also, anderson, suggest it's time to keep an eye on the respects in republicans in the senate. there is a mini anti-trump rebelian happening there of senators really worried about losing the senate if this race can be turned into a -- ultimately, a -- to a contest about trump, himself. or trump versus biden. it may be that after a long, long period in which all these republicans have been held hostage by trump, that a few influential people will follow mcconnell and start challenging him. >> it is really interesting. you know, we talk about what impact it would have on turnout for 2022 that trump isn't on the ballot but i think in a sense, he is. his allies say he is much more likely to run if republicans win back both chambers and we haven't seen it yet but i think we will see whether democrats are going to start really leaning into that argument to try to turn out their voters next year. >> margaret talev, fascinating reporting. david gergen, thank you. breaking news on dissent within facebook in the wake of the insurrection. what some inside facebook were
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busy night. more breaking news. what cnn has learned from internal facebook documents about how the company fell short in tachling down the so-called stop the steal movement that culminated in violence on
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january 6th. now, we are learning from documents that internally, it was viewed as a different story. cnn's donie o'sullivan has the report. >> reporter: on january 6th, facebook executives condemned the attack on the u.s. capitol but internally, some employees began to push back. facebook, they suggested, was culpable. one writing in internal facebook company chat, all due respect, but haven't we had enough time to figure out how to manage dyscourse without enabling fie violence? we have been fueling this fire for a long time and shouldn't be surprised it's now out of control. another wrote they were tired of thoughts and prayers from facebook leadership. there were dozens of stop the steal groups active up until yesterday another facebook employee responded. stop the steal, the conspiracy theory movement that helped fuel the insurrection, had been organizing on facebook for months. >> how did you guys hear about this event today? >> through facebook. >> facebook events, instagram. how have you been promoting this? >> well, i created a facebook event for yesterday's event.
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and i posted after the fact that we were, again, coming today. i will be, again, making another event in regards to tomorrow. >> facebook provided the fundamental coordinating infrastructure. they were sharing ride-share information. they were sharing resources. they were talking about, you know, what they were going to wear. and if they were going to have trump flags. >> reporter: we now know that an internal facebook report described the company's attempts to crack down on stop the steal has piecemeal. that document leaked by facebook whistle-blower, frances haugen, who spent her final months at the company photographing thousands of internal documents and company chat logs. >> these documents are vindication that what we've been saying as a field has been true all along, and that facebook knows it and could take action on it and decides not to. >> reporter: for many years, people have been talking about the facebook effect.
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what facebook is doing to culture, to society, to politics. but we didn't really know from data from facebook whether these -- these theories were true. what frances has given us is an extraordinary archive of material that helps us see exactly what's going on and what they know is going on. and it is the biggest and most important contribution to understanding this incredibly important problem that we've ever had. >> reporter: the leaked documents, many just becoming public, were given to a consortium of news organizations, including cnn, from the basis of a complaint to the s.e.c. where haugen alleges the company misled investors and the public about its role perpetuating misinformation and violent extremism relating to the 2020 election and january 6th insurrection. >> facebook executives like nick klegg will say it's unfair to blame facebook for the
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insurrection. >> it's a red herring to say people are blaming facebook for the entire thing. that's not what's happening here. you can't at the same time, be facebook and trying to take responsibility and being very proud of all the organizing work that you've helped black lives matter do. or the occupy movement. or standing rock. you can't take credit for all of that, and then say oh, that thing called the insurrection? we had nothing to do with that. >> reporter: another revelation from the documents, an internal memo including details of a facebook staffer setting up a test account to see what facebook's algorithms were recommending to users. 2019, a facebook employee sets up an account zieped to look like a 41-year-old conservative mom. sher name is carole smith. she likes trump, she likes fox news. within a week, she is getting a qanon recommendation. i saw in there that after three
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weeks, there was actually a recommendation for a page that was the three percenters. the militia self-described militia involved in the insurrection. >> right. yeah. no i mean, again, we've suspected this dynamic. >> yeah. >> what's striking about what frances is revealed is that we now know that facebook, itself, saw this precisely. so, these are like potato chips that they feed to somebody who's got a potato chip addiction and that is the reality of the platform. it is an addiction engine and it profits the more it can manipulate us to consume what we want to consume most. >> donie, how has facebook responded. >> >> anderson, facebook's stressing it wasn't just them, right? a lot of the content was on twitter and youtube, too. specifically, here is a statement from the company spokesperson. he said the notion that the january 6th insurrection would not have happened but for facebook is absurd. the former president pushed a
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narrative that the election was stolen including in person a short distance from the capitol building that day. the responsibility for the violence lies with those who attacked our capitol and those who encouraged them. he says facebook has a long-track record of cooperation with law enforcement including the agencies responsible for addressing threats of domestic terrorism. but anderson, what's really remarkable and really is insightful about all of this is that test account facebook tfrs set up as a 41-year-old conservative mom living in north carolina. in the summer of 2019, like the few conservative pages on facebook, within a week, was being dragged down a qanon rabbit hole and within three weeks, was being recommended pages about the 3%er militia. >> fascinating. donie o'sullivan, appreciate it as always. up next, the latest on the identification of brian laundrie's remains. will investigators be able to determine a cause of death? plus, new information from the family attorney who says he spoke with laundrie before he vanished.
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as you know, the search is over for brian laundrie but there are more questions about the -- after the discovery of his remains this week in a florida preserve. laundrie vanished last month after his fiancee gabby petito was reported missing. but before she was found strangled to death in wyoming. now, the laundrie family attorney is revealing some details while investigators try to determine how laundrie died. our randi kaye joins us now from
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north port, florida. so talk about some new information you have about conversations laundrie had before he disappeared. >> reporter: well, anderson, i spoke with the laundrie family attorney tonight. steve bertolino. and he confirmed to me that he had two conversations with brian laundrie before brian disappeared. those took place on september 12th and september 13th. remember, gabby was reported missing on september 11th. so, these are key dates in the investigation. and then, on the 13th, is when brian disappeared. i asked him what took place during those conversations, what was said? he said that was privileged information. and he could not tell me, anderson. >> what is the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: well, right now, we don't have a cause of death. but we do know from the family attorney that brian's remains have been sent to a forensic anthropologist. remember, these were just skeletal remains. they were bones. he was identified by dental records. so, this type of expert will really study these bones, and hopefully come up with a cause of death and even a time of death because the family lawyer is also saying that he had
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discussed with brian's parents the possibility that brian took his own life. so of course, anderson, they are looking for some answers. >> and is anything known about brian laundrie's state of mind before he disappeared? >> well, there are some clues possibly in this notebook that was found along with his remains and some personal belongings. we know from a source close to the investigation telling me that this notebook is possibly salvageable. we don't know what is in it but it's possible that he wrote something to give an indication of his state of mind or maybe about something that he had or hadn't done. the parents are not talking about brian laundrie's state of mind but the lawyer is. he spoke to wabc and he was asked about brian's state of mind and this is what he said. >> chris and roberta knew their son brian was grieving. they knew he was so upset. and, you know, they just couldn't control that he was leaving and he left. he walked out the door. and chris has said to me, i wish i could have stopped him but i
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couldn't. >> reporter: and the timing of this is key is because if he was grieving on september 13th. remember, there hadn't been a homicide reported yet. gabby petito's remains hadn't been found yet. so what was he grieving about? what did he know? and what did he share with his parents? the family lawyer was asked about that on "good morning america" this morning. what, if anything, brian laundrie told his parents and here's what he said. >> that's not something i can comment on right now. and i'd like to just leave it at that. >> if you can't comment on it, it means you know something about it. >> well, i think everybody out there know that, you know, whether the family or myself have some information to share but there is not much we can say at this point in time. >> and the laupndrie family lawyer was asked on "good morning america" if the laundrie parents had a message for the petito family and he said we have absolutely nothing to say with respect to the gabby petito
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incident. anderson, back to you. >> randi, appreciate it. quick programming note. join randi later tonight for an in-depth look at the cnn special report gabby petito and the hunt for justice on at 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight. coming up, what pfizer is saying about the efficacy of its vaccine for children ages 5 to 11 and a private school in florida where students who get a covid shot are told to stay home for 30 days the experts say that doesn't make sense. next, what our gary tuchman discovered when he talked with parents. ♪ your new pharmacy is here. to help you compare prices, and save on your medication. amazon prime members get select meds as low as $1 a month. who knew it could be this easy? your new pharmacy is amazon pharmacy.
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pfizer's released new data showing its covid vaccine is 90.7% effective against symptomatic covid in children ages 5 to 11. on tuesday an fda advisory committee is scheduled to meet to discuss whether the animals should grant emergency use authorization for shots for that age group. children 12 and older can already get it and for students at one miami private school, a strange vaccine mandate is in place. any student who gets a shot must stay home for 30 days. the problem is it's based on bogus claims. the florida department of education sent a letter to school officials telling them they should review their
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policies and conform to florida law. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: oscar has a son who goes to miami sentinel academy. >> it's a family decision. we should respect everybody's privacy. >> reporter: it is a family decision but it makes everyone safer. because so many people have gotten the vaccinations, tens of thousands of people are not dying. >> there's a lot of people getting the vaccine that are dying right now. >> reporter: that's not true. >> fox news says it's true. >> reporter: but it's false. that's the problem. let me just tell you, sir. the greatest scientists in the world know that this vaccine is saving lives. so my question for you -- >> it's not the best scientists in the world, it's just one opinion. >> reporter: you're hearing bad information, sir. but with all good respect, i wish you good health. >> thank you so much. have a great day. >> reporter: alex serrano has three children that go to the
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school. when you got the letter that said children would have to stay home for 30 days, did you say to yourself, i'm glad they sent that out? >> yes, and i thanked them for it. >> reporter: parents say the letter banning vaccinated children returning to school for 30 days also declared children who got the vaccine could potentially transmit covid to other children, which is certainly not true. the owners of this school are a woman and her husband who, this spring, after they sent out another email declaring that teachers who get vaccinated can't come near the student, she told cnn -- >> there are all sorts of evidence and stories that came out that said potentially unvaccinated people are being impacted by being around vaccinated people. >> reporter: there is no such evidence. their academy has one building for preschool students and
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kindergarteners, a second building for first through eighth graders. most of the students aren't yet eligible for vaccines. but they soon will be. one child who soon will be is the daughter of this woman who pulled their first grade daughter out of the academy last spring without getting any of their tuition back because they got more and more scared of the increasing anti-vaxx and antimask views at the school. >> the school encouraged the students to take their masks off. >> reporter: and they told your 6-year-old daughter, take your mask off? >> yep. >> reporter: did your daughter told me about that? >> she told me. she says why are you teaching me this but the school is doing this. >> reporter: you must have been infuriated. >> it was a very stressful time. >> reporter: the academy is a nondenominational school. records from the federal election commission show both owners donated very large amounts of money to republican candidates and organizations. for example, both of them made separate donations to the trump victory committee in 2020.
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their donations? a half million dollars apiece. leyla is active on social media, conspiracy theories on her instagram account including this strange one declaring, they told us the sun would give us skin cancer but in reality the sun prevents skin cancer. of course that's untrue. neither owner would talk to us this time around but some of the parents say they respect and admire her. however many parents have pulled their children out. their respect, if it ever existed, gone. >> you don't indoctrinate. you educate. and much of what's happening there is indoctrination that follows her beliefs. >> gavery joins us now. the letter from the florida department of education to the school, what's the school's response? >> the department of education told the school it needed to respond by 5:00 eastern time today. drum roll, it does not appear the school responded. i can tell you the department of education says its investigation will be thorough. if it shows that student rights
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if you're washing with the bargain brand, even when your clothes look clean, there's extra dirt you can't see. watch this. that was in these clothes...ugh. but the clothes washed in tide- so much cleaner! if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide hygienic clean the supreme court today set november 1 to hear a challenge to the texas law barring abortions at just six weeks, before many women even know they're pregnant. the court acted quickly today but did not put the law on hold, leading justice sotomayor to write in a stinging dissent, i cannot capture the totality of the harm in these pages. she pointed out that even though the court had agreed to fast track oral arguments, that would offer, quote, cold comfort to women in texas seeking abortion care. just last month the court agreed to allow the law to go into
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effect in a divided 5-4 order released late at night on the court's emergency docket. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you, anderson. i'm chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." we now have the newly released 911 call in the fatal shooting involving actor alec baldwin on a movie set in santa fe, what he's calling a tragic accident. i'll play you the 911 call. but really the freshest information to help us understand the questions being asked by investigators are in the search warrant that literally just came into my hands as we went on the air. here is the 911 call. >> what is the location of the emergency? >> bonanza creek ranch, we have two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. we need some help. our director and