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so here is the breaking news at this hour. a source telling cnn that president joe biden will attend the house democratic caucus meeting on capitol hill in the morning delaying his departure in europe to twist the arms of progressives to vote on the infrastructure bill as early as tomorrow. but in another major development tonight it looks like paid, family and medical leave may be out of social safety net bill. it is a key cornerstone of president biden's agenda and a favorite of progressives but senator joe manchin appears to be determined to block it. also tonight the santa fe county sheriff saying that the gun used by alec baldwin in the fatal shooting on the set of "rust" discharged a live round. a lot to discuss. so let's get straight to

washington now. cnn correspondent john harwood, char charlie here as well. president biden is just hours away from the critical foreign trip he's heading out on. democrats still seem deeply divided. what do you know about the negotiations? where do they stand at this hour? >> it's a huge mess, don. this is an extremely chaotic end to this long negotiation where there are so many elements included in this package, and there's been an extended debate over a couple of weeks over whether you throw out a bunch of elements entirely and have a few well-funded priorities or whether you trim back the funding for a bunch of things and try to get them started and see if you can build public support for them. the challenge is that democrats are trying to do this with the

narrowest of congressional majorities, zero margin for error in the senate, very small margin for error in the house. usually you count on in a situation like this people recognizing that politics, partisan politics is a team game and that people will ultimately come together behind the shares interests of their team and their president. but in this case you've got a couple of senators in joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who are extremely intoxicated with their individual power to hold up particular elements, and that is creating this herky-jerky mess at the end where sinema, for example, says even though there's no economic reason to do it i don't want to raise the individual or corporate tax rates, so let's do some other kind of way of taxing wealthy people. they come up with a billionaire's tax, joe manchin says i don't like the billionaires tax, that's out. the house doesn't like it either. it was not a very well-cooked

plan so to speak. and you get that kind of disorganization in this situation, and it's not pretty. >> our colleague manu raju spoke with senator joe manchin earlier about paid family leave. take a listen to this. >> are you still talking to senator gillibrand? >> i'm talking to everybody, but i've been very clear. to expand social programs when you have trust funds that aren't solvent, they're going invo insolvent, i can't explain that. >> this is a huge priority for the president. what's the white house saying about this tonight, john? >> they're accepting that that is going to go out. they want anything that can get a deal, but the challenge of manchin's position he's saying, well, we can't do things that we can't pay for, but then he opposeds means to pay for them. for example, he is challenging

provisions of an effort by the democrats to beef up the irs and change regulations so that they can get a greater ability to collect taxes that aren't now being paid. and joe manchin says some of the reporting requirements that banks would have to do are intrusive. so you say things have to be paid for but you oppose the ways to pay for it, and that's how we've gotten into this situation. they may end up getting a deal, but it is going to be a least common denominator deal. >> so, charlie, president biden is going to meet with house democrats in the morning. at this point do you think there's anything he could say or do to get the party to come together, pass this infrastructure bill tomorrow? >> no, i don't think there's any way they can pass this -- oh, the infrastructure bill, yes. they could pass that tomorrow. they should have passed that in august. they should pass that immediately the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the biggest part what john just talked about the reconciliation bill, the build back better.

they don't know the top number. you know, how are they going to pay for this? what's in the bill, what's not in the bill? those are key questions. you can't really write a bill until you know the answers to those. right now i think it's long pastime they pass this infrastructure bill. if they'd have done it in august they'd probably have seven dozen republican votes. now they'd be lucky to get ten because they tied these two bills together, infrastructure and reconciliation. it's a hot mess and i doubt anything is going to be accomplished on reconciliation before the president leaves. hopefully he'll vote on the infrastructure bill tomorrow. >> as you know, charlie, president biden ran as a candidate that knew how to make deals in washington and could get things done, bipartisanship, biparttion. what is the damage to biden's presidency if he can't ultimately get things over the finish line? >> it's significant. but the president himself i'm told encouraged them to delay a vote on the infrastructure bill. why didn't they just pocket the

win when they had it is beyond me. so why would he not take the win? now hopefully they're going to take it tomorrow. the bigger -- they'll get a lot of credit for that, and that by itself is a significant achievement. on the other hand, you know, i think they really haven't thought through this reconciliation package. it is much bigger and i think it exceeds the mandate that joe biden and the democrats had from the 2020 election. >> thank you, gentlemen. john, did you want to add something before i run to the next guest or you're good? >> no, no. look, i think it is a big challenge for president biden to convince the house caucus to pass that infrastructure bill tomorrow. they think it's worth doing before he goes overseas to have that accomplishment, but it's certainly a risk that the white house is taking. and it's not at all clear that risk is going to pay off. >> all right. see you both soon. thank you very much. appreciate it. so americans are projected to pay up to 30% more on heating this winter if they use natural

gas. and costs will go much higher if it is a very cold winter, but that's not the only cost increasing for consumers. let's discuss now. the host of public radios marketplace. hey, we love having you on. thanks for coming back. you know why i love having you on, because you make things so plain. you don't get sucked in the weeds. you make it plain for everyone and that's very important. so welcome back. so natural gas prices on the horizon now, plus aaa has today's gas average at $3.39 per gallon, up over a $1 from this time last year. what's your forecast -- you know, is this going to hit americans really hard? >> oh, yeah, of course it is. i mean let's look at natural gas, the thing you started with. it was up 5.6% just today, that's the spot price. 12% on monday. it's just people are going to have to eat their -- $3.39

today, $2.10, $2.15 a year ago. we're not going back to $2.10 anytime soon so inflation is going to be kind of sticky. >> i spend money on two fireplaces but guess what i'm really happy i put those fireplaces, wood burning. the treasury told the secretary levels are not expected to increase until acceptable levels until the latter part of 2022. does that mean prices stay high across the board on all types of good until then? >> well, all types, i don't know. let's just say broad-based inflation is going to be a real thing. it kind of depends what you're looking at. but let's back up for a second and think about what treasury secretary yellin and fed chair jay powell were saying back in may. they said it was going to be transitory, right, which to the consumers minds means it's going

to go up and it's going to go back down. and on friday powell said you know what, our supply side challenges are worse than we thought. inflation is going to steak around for a while. two things. number one, supply side challenges are we can't get things in through the ports, right? we don't have enough of what american consumers want to buy. that's problem number one. problem number two i would bet you cash money jay powell and janet yellin if they had to do it over again would pick a different word than transitory. because it doesn't mean inflation goes up and prices go down. it means the prices go up and they stay there but the rate of inflation calms down. so instead of 5% it might be 2% or 3%, something closer to the national average. >> let's talk about some of the things i spoke with my last guests about, okay, what's happening in washington. so this proposed billionaires tax from democrats to pay for

the president's spending bill. the proposal would tax billionaires on the gain and value of certain assets every year instead of when those assets are sold. what do you think? could this raise enough to pay for bide's agenda? >> no, it can't. i mean the president wants to spend 1.9 something trillion dollars, progressives want to spend 3.5 but we know it's not going to get there. even if you tax these 700 people of this new tax would apply it is not enough money to get done what the president wants to do. that's problem number one. problem number two is they're talking about a corporate minimum tax of 15%, a billionaire's tax we've never done before. they're trying to rewrite the tax code on the fly here because they're having problems within their own caucus. and i think harwood was right. it's going to be really challenging for the president to get this done. i don't care how much time he spends on the hill tomorrow. >> is it right?

because, look, as you said it's 700 people and would include those with let's see more than $1 billion in assets or more than $100 million of reported income three consecutive years. so, look, billionaires they've got a lot of tax loops, right? >> yeah. >> okay. even though it may not be the right solution are they looking in the right direction, possibly? >> it's a little bit like bank robbers, right? the democrats are going there because they think that's where the money is, right? and that's fine and billionaires have a whole lot of money. but unless you're going to tax i don't know elon musk the richest man in the world at 100%, you're not going to get as much money as you need. in fact, you could tax all of elon musk's income at 100% and you wouldn't get what you need. it's a sign of desperation from the democratic party they're throwing out all these taxes as their deal starts to fall apart.

>> what do they do? >> i don't know. well, look, i mean -- i'll point joe manchin to you. you want more progressive policies, elect more progressives. >> there you go, that's a solution. loopholes, that's what i was looking for. i said loop. same, we got it. i was shorthand. it was a contraction. thank you very much i i appreciate it. major new developments tonight in the investigation of the fatal shooting on the set of alec baldwin's new movie. we're live in santa fe. that's next. >> we regard this specific spent casing, unrecovered projectile to be the live round that was fired from the revolver by alec baldwin. we have recovered what we believe to be possible additional live rounds on set. . seeing yourself as an artist - legitimate and genuine - can be transformational. daddy! for the best audio entertainment and storytelling. audible.

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all right, so more developing news now. there's new developments tonight in the fatal shooting of s cinematographer halyna hutchens. the gun used by baldwin discharged a live round. how live rounds got loaded into a weapon will be a factor in determining possible criminal charges. that is according to the district attorney. she spoke tonight to cnn's josh campbell, and josh joins me now. good evening, josh. i appreciate it. so let's dig into this investigation now. what evidence had they collected so far? >> well, the key piece of evidence that we learn about today, don, was a lead projectile fired from that gun by alec baldwin, the sheriff says struck halyna hutchins and continued on into that movie set's director, lodged into his shoulder. that leading investigators to

determine that was indeed a live round, an active firearm. of course that was the big question we had. what type of projectile, the sheriff saying that was an active live round of ammunition, which of course raises the question how such a live round actually made its way onto the set of a movie. i asked the sheriff that very question today. he said that remains under investigation. other pieces of evidence we're learning about three pistols and over 500 rounds of ammunition. that is being sent to the fbi's laboratory in quantico, virginia, for analysis. how much is the typical inert dummy rounds. >> the sheriff confirming they've spoken with alec baldwin, the movie assistant director and the armorer. what information are they releasing about those interviews if any? >> the sheriff said today thus far all the witnesses they've interviewed have been in their words cooperative. they do have some additional

questioning, but we're learning from court records today the person i told you about last night, the assistant director on the set, the person who actually handed alec baldwin prior to that shooting according to an interview with detectives in court records he actually indicated he failed to conduct a proper inspection of that firearm and ammunition in it before actually handing it to baldwin which of course gets us to that question of liability. that's something we've been obviously focusing on. who is actually responsible? is it the person who handed the weapon to baldwin, is it baldwin himself? we're learning from that man himself he failed to properly inspect that weapon for safety purposes. >> as i said when we introduced you, you spoke with the santa fe district attorney today. this is a big investigation, hundreds of pieces of evidence to go through, lots more people to interview. did she give you any sort of time line? >> you know, she said this is something unlike anything they've ever seen here in new mexico. but she said they will be

working this as they do other investigations that's methodically going through each piece of evidence as she tries to render her decision in the prosecution. she also says she's aware of outside pressure, people wanting her to hurry-up and render a decision. she said she's not being moved by that pressure. she'll do this in her words by the book. and what will be the ultimate driver to possibly bring charges, take a listen to what she said. and so as of this point would you say there's any particular time line on making that decision about charges? >> it's -- no there's not a time line at this point. i would say weeks to months. i was sort of taught you treat a firearm like a live snake. and so it's -- it's a terrible tragedy. we don't know how those live rounds got there. and i think that that will probably end up being kind of the linchpin for whether a decision is made about charges. >> the linchpin in their her

words, how that live ammunition actually made its way onto the set, that will be a key factor in her determination, don. >> josh campbell, thank you very much. i know it's cold there. go warm up now. appreciate it. we're learning more about the 24-year-old armorer who worked on the set of the movie "rust" and some crew members who worked with her previously said she mishandled weapons on a different project. one of those crew members is going to join me next. >> ...and lots of opportunities. >> so, what are you waiting for? >> apply now... >> ...and make a difference. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ >> man, i love that song!

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so the armorer on the set of the movie "rust" is 24-year-old hannah gutierrez reed. it is the second time she's worked on a film in that capacity, but at least two crew members who worked with her previously on the set of nicholas cage's film "the old way" accused of mishandling weapons on that project. one of them is joining us. thank you. i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> can you tell us your experience working with hannah gutierrez reed? what happened that made you so concerned? >> i've been around firearms many times and when you see an armorer walk onto a set with gun belts and arms and carrying two rifles and guns pointed back at the crew, it raised some red flags right away with me.

>> so are you there? deyou hear me? >> yeah, i'm here. >> okay, good. so at one point nicholas cage stormed off the set because of her actions, is that right? >> yeah, that's correct. we had a couple of -- we had a couple of unannounced fires on set, you know, a couple of gunshots that were on set unannounced. there's a protocol on set people know takes place. when guns come out there's always an announcement about hot guns being on set. no work happens do you work that time period. and when the scene happens the armorer or prop master comes in, they clear the guns and then we continue to work. so when a gun goes off on set, it's just not a good thing without it being announced. unfortunately in that scenario nicholas was walking by and got pretty upset. >> was that the final straw that caused you to request she be

dismissed from her job? >> it happened twice on our set, so the second time that's why i stepped forward and asked her to be remove, and that's when i found out it was her first movie. and i think the real question was what was she doing on that movie as a 20-year-old, 24-year-old newbie to our business on such an important position on a movie set? you know, i think the real crux of our problem in our industry right now is that, you know, budgets are getting tighter. you know, our hours are getting longer. there's more demand for us, and they wanted less man power, so we have this 24-year-old girl who's working on a movie set and doesn't have the adequate man power to help her out. and that's why she's carrying so many guns on a movie set. >> she has not -- we've not heard from her or not been able to get a response from her. when you worked with her and you requested she be removed did she have a response? >> i don't know if that information ever got back to her. you know, i'd spoke to the assistant director to, you know,

say, hey, look, we need to find a few armorer here more experienced because i think she's kind of in over her head here. but she's also 24 years old. like i say it's her first movie so there's going to be mistakes made, and that's -- that happens with my crew with the young people that i train. mistakes do happen. you know, but i don't think that those people should be in those key positions because it's such a dangerous -- dangerous environment and we've had a lot of problems in the history, you know, with film making that people lose their lives over that particular situation. >> yeah. so, listen, who do you hold responsible here, steve? >> you know, i didn't work on -- i wasn't on the film where this tragedy happened. a woman lost her life. i truly believe it could have been prevented. and i think that what happened was she got hired because she was inexpensive. and i really think it boils down to dollars, and that's really a

pandemic in our industry. you know, producers they'd rather a lot of times -- and i'm not saying that happened on this film and i'm certainly not saying it happened on our film. i'm saying a lot of times that's what happens in our world. we get hamstringed because they want to save some money on hiring professionals and giving us the adequate man power and time to do our jobs safely and efficiently. and that's really what's going on. can i solely place the blame on anyone? no. but i think if there were live rounds brought to set, you know, real working ammunition brought to set i think there's some problems there because those two worlds should never mix. >> thank you. i appreciate hearing from you and your perspective. we appreciate it. as i said we've reached out to hannah gutierrez and we've not heard back from her. she's welcome to say her side of the story and give her piece

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threats to school boards. there is bipartisan outrage over the doj's handling of the larry nassar probe and all eyes on the justice department as they weigh whether to prosecute steve bannon for contempt of congress. so joining me now to break all of this down -- that's a lot to -- our legal analyst elliott williams. you have your work cut out for you. >> bring it on. >> garland took a ton of heat for the mem he issued in the wake of rising violence at school board meetings across the country. take a listen between this exchange between senator ted cruz, a.g. garland and senator tom cotton. >> department of justice, you did no independent research on what was happening, did you? >> the memo has nothing to do with -- >> did you do independent research? >> the memo has -- >> did you do independent research? you're not answering that question. >> you asked the question. may i answer question? the question is why speed. the answer is when we get reports of violence and threats of violence we need to act very

swiftly. i would have hated it to have gotten this letter and then acts of violence occurred in the interim before we were able to act. the only act here is assessing the circumstances. that's all there is here, and we can't wait until somebody dies. that's why we did this. >> okay, so, but elliott, not everything is what it seems here, correct? is it theater? is going on? >> it is literally all theater. the republicans on this committee fabricated a narrative for political purposes. it is 292 words. this is the title of the memorandum. it literally says to address threats about teachers and staff. the second sen tbs of it, while spirited debate about policy matters it's protected under the constitution, that protection does not extend to threats of violence or efforts to intimidate individuals based on

their views. this memorandum is targeted at violence that sort of the spate of violence that's coming to school boards across the country. they have somehow twisted this into thinking that merrick garland is now making this about targeting free speech or parents who want to speak up about what's happening in their schools, and it's simply not true. >> it's interesting because i was watching anderson earlier, and they did a keeping them honest, and this is all made up. but shouldn't merrick garland be stronger in defense of the memorandum and in explaining that it isn't anything like what they said? >> yeah, no, and i think you can actually double down and defend the memorandum. but here's the thing, here's where if you literally type into google the words "school board violence," here's some of the things that come up. school board president details violent threats made against board members. sarasota, florida, angry school

members target school board. yahoo, school board turns violent in minnesota. it may not be an epidemic but it's clearly happening, and this is squarely within the work of the justice department. and the attorney general is well within his right and perhaps could have even said more forcefully it is my job as the chief law enforcement officer of the united states to ensure that this doesn't happen and at least get the fbi to work with state and local officials on this. but, you know, he answered effectively which is that you're twisting my words and that's not just what i said or wrote. >> let's listen to republican senator john cornyn on this memo. >> mr. attorney general, you're a very intelligent, accomplished lawyer and judge. you can answer the question. did you consider the chilling effect that this sort of threat of federal prosecution would have on parents exercise of their constitutional rights to be involved in their childrens education? >> i don't believe it's reasonable to read this

memorandum as chilling anyone's rights. it's about threats of violence and it expressly recognizes the constitutional right to make arguments about your childrens education. >> okay. i mean, that shows to me this is how the shouting and near violence that we've seen look at that at these school board meetings. i mean the doj memo is not keeping parents from expressing themselves. >> to paraphrase obi wan cunoeby, politics isn't my thing. but at the end of the day there's a number of people on this committee that are likely running for the presidency in two or three years, right? and this cultureal issues are wedge issues and they work. and they've managed to take this memorandum that is purely drafted for public safety purpose, twist it and make it into a wedge cultural issue. now this is as much about critical race theory, far more

about all that business than it is about actually what it says which is that when people threaten school boards, the federal bureau of investigation and state and local law enforcement ought to work together to fight it. >> gosh, the truth doesn't matter anymore? >> no. >> wow. thanks, elliot. >> thank you, don. >> appreciate it. so i have having very important to tell you about, okay? on tomorrow's show we are airing my exclusive interview with the jurors from the derek chauvin murder trial. and ask them about hearing that gut wrenching testimony and what it was like to repeatedly watch the video of chauvin kneeling on george floyd's neck. that's tomorrow at 10:00 on don lemon tonight. so 23 students arrested in 23 days, so the dads in the communities decided to take things into their own hands. the dads on duty join me next. you want to see this.

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last month at the high school in shreveport, louisiana, 23 students were arrested for fighting within only three days. but get this, there hasn't been an incident since that happen. and that's because of an unusual intervention by a group of dads. see those gentlemen there on your screen? they call themselves dad on duty. they're about 40 dads who spend

time at the school on shifts. so joining me now just some of the dads on duty including michael, zack johnson, michael morgan, sr., tracy harris, i think it's tracy harris, jr. -- no, no, sorry i got that wrong. and kenny henry, jr. did i get everybody, right? all right. oh, i forgot the kenny wayne, jr. thank you, guys. i appreciate you joining us. what you're doing is amazing. you all saw this problem about 23 students being arrested in three days. something had to be done. how did you decide to do something? what happened? >> we're all active parents on the campus. so after the first fight and then the next day then we had the second fight and i immediately knew that this isn't the school we sent our children to. this isn't the community that we're raising our babies in. so what i did, i reached out to

these guys and some other parents. we decided to have a meeting downtown shreveport at the that plan at the moment, after a three-hour meeting, did not include coming up to the school. that was the furthest thing from our mind. when we were leaving the meeting, kenny, wayne, mike, zach, these guys here, they said how about if we just go to the school every day and just show up? so we kind of bounced it back and forth. so me being the jokester i am, i said let's call it pops on patrol. and he said pop patrol. so about 3:00 in the morning, i sent them a message and i said, let's call it dads on duty. so that message went out at 3:00 in the morning. 7:40 the next day, we were at the campus, and we have not left. >> good for you. michael, let somebody else talk.

i'm messing with you. you decided to go up to the school. michael morgan, sr., what did the -- did you get any resistance from the students? were they like, what the hell are y'all doing? we don't want y'all here? >> we are starting to learn the more we're around, they are opening up more. so i think we're getting some progress. they didn't receive us well at first. but they like to see us around. >> listen, i would imagine there are some kids there, zach, without, you know, a father figure, right? so what does dads on duty there, being there, what does it mean to the kids who may not have a father figure or role model at home? >> it means a big deal, because me, myself, i came up in a

single parent household. so when you get the right approach, they'll tell you what's going on in their personal life. you got kids, they come to school, one day they're angry, one day they're happy. when you reach that far with them, when they listen to you and open up, you've done a big thing already, because a lot of kids don't respond to people. i got one kid, he was happy one day, seen him again two days later, he's standing in the corner by himself. but since he opened up to me before, when he sees me he will talk to me. i might keep him from doing something that might ruin his life. >> have you seen a change, tracy, in the kids? >> absolutely. from us, just being there makes a big difference. >> right.

>> seeing male dominance. at first, it was kind of shaky. but now, when we walk up, good morning, how you doing? you give them good affirmations for the day. and it helps them a whole lot. it controls their temper. maybe driving to school, they might have gotten into an argument, but just seeing us and we are embracing them in a different matter, it makes all the difference in the world. >> craig, what do you have to say? >> well, they talk about it from the standpoint of the children. but the other flip side are the educators and the administrators. i see a perkiness to them, because they now see that they have extra reinforcement. and so they give us smiles and thumbs up, and so now you have -- just because they're

hired as edge kaucators doesn't they don't need assistance. i'm a guy who does not have children at the school, so i'm supporting them, because they are the parents. so i play a background role. but the teachers are definitely very pleased. >> look, i think this is something that would be great all over the country. kenny, wayne, henry, jr. what do you think, you guys want to take this national and how do you do it? >> yes, i would love for it to go national. first, i want to just say -- i want to thank the high school and also southwood athletic department. they give me a chance as an assistant coach, a football coach. and the kids, i love them. i love my football team. they look at me as -- more like a father figure, even though they might have some at the house and everything.

my head coach, he always talk to us like family, family first. and i also have a son that plays for southwood. and i teach them, you know, do something different, do something positive. and just be a leader. that's it. so it needs to go to the nation. >> it needs to go national. worldwide would be great. you guys are a great example. i mean, y'all are really, really great. i'm going to -- when we're done, i'm going to get your address, because i want to send you guys something and stay in touch. michael, zach, michael, tracy, craig and kenny wayne henny, jr., thank you from the great state of louisiana, my home state. y'all are setting a good example. i'm proud of you. thank you. >> yes, sir. thank you. appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you for watching, everyone. that's how you do it. our coverage continues.

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