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from colombia, this woman brings ecofriendly energy, safe water, and sanitation to struggling colombians living in remote areas. this woman from pittsburgh, maine, monitors 2,500 miles of coastline, providing lifesaving support and medical care to thousands of marine animals. from bali, indonesia, this restaurant owner has sent tons of plastic for recycling and provided food to thousands of families during the pandemic. and in simi valley, california, michelle hernandez turned her profound grief into sustaining support for the widowed. this oncologist walked away from her beverly hills private practice to save women around the world from dying of preventible and treatable cervical cancer.
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on l.a.'s skid row, shirley rains brings dignity and respect to thousands of homeless people every week, rain or shine. and in nigeria, this man educates orphaned children, providing support to more than 2,000 boys and girls a year. >> ten amazing people. and you can help decide which one of them will become cnn hero of the year. go to cnnheroes.com and vote up to ten times a day, every day, for the hero that inspires you the most. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time" live from rome. >> all right, john, thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time" live from the g20 in rome. the meeting of world powers trying to tackle major economic crises. roma is called the eternal city. but there's only a fleeting moment for president biden to show key allies that america can
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be trusted once more. biden went full mea culpa with the leader of france, admitting to president macron the u.s. was clumsy, to use his word, in the handling of a submarine deal with australia that did deprive france of billions in defense contracts. but that was not the moment of the day. the united states president had a moment with the pope that may have been a first. the two most powerful catholics in the world met for 90 minutes, that's long when it comes to a papal meeting. francis met with former president trump, for example, for less than half that. now, the pontiff did biden a solid, said he was a good catholic and should keep receiving communion. a papal response to the conservative cranks, the bishops in the u.s. who criticize biden for his support for reproductive rights. the president returned the favor to the pope with something i've never heard of with a pope before.
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let me show you the moment and then i'll explain. >> with your permission, i would like to be able to give you a coin. i know my son would want me to give this to you because on the back of it i have the state of delaware, the 261st unit my son served with. the tradition is, and i'm only kidding about this, the next time i see you, if you don't have it, you have to buy the drinks. i'm the only irish men you've ever met who's never had a drink. >> okay. so back story. president biden had been
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consoled by the pope when his son beau died, okay? hold on for a second. and this challenge coin, a command coin, is something a lot of military leaders have. usually it has who you're with on one side and a state or some other information on the other. and they're given as gifts. the commander in chief last has one. the 261 is the division, the detachment his son beau served with. it's a very endearing thing to give. it is true that when one of the commanders gives you one of these coins, it means that the next time they see you, if you don't have it, you buy him a drink. and biden actually said that to pope francis. and also shared information maybe you didn't know, that he doesn't drink. and then the pope said okay, irish love whiskey. he'll probably get canceled for that in america. but it was an interesting joke and a moment of warmth between these two men that was very important for the american president. because overall, hear so far,
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president biden is on message. why? this trip is about projecting power. he's close with the pope. he can mend fences with an ally. he is a president in charge. but does the image here match the reality at home? democrat infighting may be spun to the media as a good thing in process. but what does it mean to the masses? the governor's race in virginia is going to be the first true measure. it is in a dead heat. and no one predicted that, even a month ago. terry mcauliffe has no business being tied with republican glenn youngkin. he's a former governor, mcauliffe, popular, in a blue state, where biden won by ten points just last year. you combine covid consternation with mcauliffe not being able to brag about his party delivering. no infrastructure, no much-needed spending. and it has him in a hole. is virginia the first measure of the midterms to come? let's take that question to the better minds. republican and democratic strategists stuart stevens and
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james carville. good to have you both. jimmy, let me start with you. what do you think of virginia? do i have it right, that's what's happening with mcauliffe is the first look at the measure of democrat power? >> this is one irishman that has had a drink. >> i know you have. >> it's a very important election. it will be bad to lose, bad to lose any election. i wish they had been able to consummate this deal prior to tuesday. it looks unlikely to happen. i'm very worried, very concerned, every democrat should be, should be making calls to people in virginia and get as many people as they can out to vote. it's going to be a tight election. >> let's talk tactics for one second, stuart. some people showed up at a young kin event. a group your with, the lincoln project, owned that it was them, that they posed this way because
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they wanted people to remember. you're getting crushed by people on the right as a dirty tactic. do you stand behind what was done and is that being what you guys say you oppose? >> no. listen, every day i hear people pleading with the lincoln project to help show democrats how to win, how to play hardball. you know, this is an example. the question here is not about some guys who showed up at a rally. it's why hasn't glenn youngkin denounced donald trump for saying there are good people on both sides. i mean, that is absolutely outrageous. and it's because glenn youngkin wants it both ways. i think that's the message that needs to be driven here. you know, the lincoln project was the first in this race to put charlottesville in an ad. and some people thought maybe it went too far.
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but we did it. and it worked. and then mcauliffe's campaign followed us and put charlottesville in a very good ad they did. the question here is, we can't ignore what happened in charlottesville. the question is why hasn't glenn youngkin denounced donald trump. >> look, i hear the question, it's a legitimate one. but jim, james, the democrat party in virginia has said, look, we weren't part of this, it shouldn't have happened. what about the democrat disposition in terms of how to win these upcoming battles? >> first of all, the lincoln project is independent of the democratic party of virginia. i happen to know the chairwoman very well. i kind of agree with what stuart said, it was to illustrate a point that youngkin has not denounced trump saying there were fine people on both sides in charlottesville. i think it's kind of a tempest in a teapot. terry's campaigned hard. he's raised a lot of money. it's a tight election. traditionally only one time since 1965 when we followed a
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presidential election has the party that won the presidency won the virginia governorship, that was in 2013. virginia is a state that democrats have done consider ably better in. this is a tough cycle right now. hopefully we can win this. some people think we have a slight edge, myself, i'm too nervous to think right now. >> do your best, brother, because i'm in rome and i'm half asleep, it's the middle of the night. the one metric we know, james, eight out of the last 11 times you've looked at virginia and you've seen what has been predictive in the midterms in terms of what kind of party changeover you were going to have, how big a problem is it for the democrats in your mind that they get something done now, or no matter when they get it done, james, will it still be a big victory that they can campaign on for the midterms? >> yes. and this thing started on february 1, we've had a gestation period of nine months. it's time to get this thing
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done. yeah, sure. when they do, it's going to help. it's difficult with these razor-thin majorities in the senate and the house to get this done. the president has been extremely involved in this. people have come in, the minutia and detail, he's very involved. if and when this thing gets done, he should get enormous credit for that. he's getting a ton of blame right now, when he gets done, he should get a ton of credit also. >> stuart, what does it mean in your read that adam kinzinger, a standout as a trump critic, has said, i'm out? >> it's a sad reality of where the republican party is right now. it's a difficult place for honorable men and women to serve and be able to keep their conscience. right now, to rise in the
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republican party, you have to be a trump republican. and you look at the ohio senate race where you have josh mandel and j.d. vance, they each wake up saying, what can i say that's more extreme and crazy? it's just a race to the bottom. that's where the republican party is now. it's not going to change until you defeat these people. i certainly understand why the congressman did this. i think it's a sad day, what it says about the party. but it is the reality that we live in. >> and stuart, what do you think will be the best change agent? >> the best change agent is to beat these trump people. you have to beat people like glenn youngkin, who was donald trump's hand-picked candidate,
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who said one of the major reasons he was running was to pursue the trump agenda. you can't have it both ways. look, the republican party does not believe that joe biden is a legal president. they don't think we live in a democracy. and how do you negotiate with that? how do you meet that halfway? you can't. you just have to beat these people. you have to have more days like january 5 in georgia. and until you do that, it's going to be a struggle. and basically it's not between two political parties anymore, not the way james and i used to fight this stuff out. it's between one party that's pro-democracy, that's the democratic party, and one party that is pro autocracy, and that's the republican party. i hope the virginia governor race is a good sign of how they'll be able to defeat that. >> chris, stuart -- >> james, let me give you the last word on this, because you did beat trump, and yet this harshness continues and is in fact growing. so what are you really up
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against and how do you beat it? >> the republican party is not a party. it's a cult. the democratic party is a coalition. coalitions are tough to manage. cults just follow the leader of the cult. so it's a cult, it's messy. the only thing i know how to do is try to win as many elections as we can, fight as hard as we can. i think i sent out 47 fundraising emails for terry. i'm hoping and praying we win here on november 2 in virginia. we'll have to dust off and get up and fight another day. there's no other way to do that than, as stuart points out, than to win elections and try to win elections. it's what we've got to do for now. they're not even -- they're trying to take people's right to vote away. so it's tough out there.
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but we owe it to the country, we owe it to everybody else to just keep trying and try as hard as we can and continue trying. >> as we learned with hillary clinton, though, money doesn't always beat a movement, a better movement does. and we'll see what the democrats can come up with. james carville, stuart stevens, i'll tell you what, i couldn't ask for better guests to discuss this. i wish you both well, and thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you, buddy. >> good to see you, james. president biden already showed you, and to you at home, he's no trump. he can admit mistakes. and the pope doesn't look dour in his presence. but something else must happen here before he heads home. what is it? after this. this is italia, we have to go a little at a time here. i'll give you the answer after the break. we have to be able to repair the enamel on a daily basis. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair.
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and you know what he did? he dealt with it the way we tell our kids to do it. if you did something wrong, say you're sorry and move on. take a look. >> the answer is i think what happened was, to use an english phrase, what we did was clumsy. it wasn't not handled with a lot of grace. i was under the impression that france had been informed long before that the deal was not going through. >> this is about that submarine deal that went to australia. billions of dollars france was counting on didn't happen. biden hoped to deliver a simple message that one that will be hard to give assurances on. we're going to be okay and the united states can be trusted. did that help with emmanuel macron, the french president?
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i have jim sciutto, nobody understands the issues better. so was that a surprise, that biden came out and said, no, that was wrong, and i'll take care of it right now? >> listen, the french wanted a mea culpa. i've spoken to french diplomats, they were insulted by this, they thought it was consequential. and they wanted it taken care of. biden kind of threw his team under the bus to apologize to the french. did he make any assurances to in effect make up for what was a significant loss for the french? we don't know that. but the mea culpa has defenses. the big challenge for biden here is the difference between what he can accomplish short term in this weekend, in the coming weeks and months, and what's lasting, because what i hear from european diplomats is, where is america's lasting position in the world today? are they the leader that they were going to be in the past?
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or are they going to retreat from the world stage, looking at afghanistan, for instance, and their concern is that this is not a short term thing for america, right? that america will not be the leader it was before, and that we, europe, have to step up and do more on our own. >> now, interestingly, and life's not fair, neither is geopolitics, but they're basically saying, hey, you're like us now, you're transient, your leaders come and go, you guys reverse course, you're not solid the way we used to see you. that's a tough burden to carry. but what does biden do to show that the united states can? >> it is, but you do have european leaders who want to not supplant the u.s., but be more prominent. and macron, by the way, particularly with merkel, angela merkel leaving, who was kind of a putative leader of western europe, macron wants to be that guy, right? he wants france to be that nation. and he's spoken openly about
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europe, for instance, having more responsibility for its own security. and to your point, right, this is something that europe kind of has to do, right? they've been leaning on the u.s. in a whole host of ways. so there is a positive there. but the negative or at least the reality for the u.s. is even our closest allies don't have the same confidence they had in the u.s. before. again, afghanistan was a concrete example of that for them. yes, they knew the u.s. was going to withdraw at some point. but the way it happened, they were not happy. and you can say all the nice things you want, as has president biden, but the fact is the u.s. is out of there and now we and europe have to deal with the consequences. >> does that plus his own party not giving what he wants make it a done deal for biden before these meetings even start or does he have a shot? >> listen, he didn't get what he wanted, and by the way, the president and his team were -- they articulated this
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themselves, they said, you've got to send him to europe with something, with this deal. he got close, they do have a framework agreement. we shouldn't forget about that. and the progressives are on board and that kind of thing. it looks like they'll probably have a deal, although i'm not going to bet money in vegas on it, given past deadlines being broken, but they're probably going to get it. i would guess that's what the europeans believe will happen. but again, that raises a question long term. for instance, the climate piece that have, a big deal. the g20, as well as the climate summit he'll be at next week. does that commitment last through the next guy, the next president? obama put us in the paris climate accords. trump took us back out. biden put us back in. are the iran nuclear deal and other things surviving this administration? >> we'll see what kind of answers the president provides. it's good to live history with
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you, brother. one other issue is how we handle the pandemic. what they want is access to the vaccine. what we're struggling with at home is that we have access and we don't want it. we don't want to take it. you now have 75% of people who say they're unvaccinated saying i would rather quit my job than get this vaccine. so what happens next week with what should be a huge movement for us? parents may be able to start booking points for kids 5 to 11 to get the vaccine. is this a good thing or will it create more trouble? we'll ask the covid czar for testing under president trump, next.
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call for your free publisher kit today! all right. it's a haunting question, but got to ask it. is the fact that we may be able to soon vaccinate our kids 5 to 11 going to help or hurt the situation in america? now, let's talk about the process first. there's still a couple of more steps before the cdc gives the final go-ahead but it's looking like next week. what will people do when they are able to vaccinate kids 5 to 11? my wife and i are in this group. we're going to do it. why? we've done the research, we've talked to our doctor, and we believe it's the right thing. many parents, take a look at your screen, no. very different than it is with adults. i say this all the time.
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when it comes to me, i'll basically do anything if you tell me i'll have a good chance of getting better, but not my kid. we're worried. we're worried about safety, we're worried about how necessary, messaging matters, is it consistent, does there seem to be confidence behind the data. admiral brett giroir was the white house's covid testing czar under former president trump. admiral, always good to see you. >> good to be here, chris. >> so somebody comes to you and says what do i do, doc, should i give my kid this vaccine, what do you say? >> well, the first thing i'll say is the data look really, really very good. in the 5 to 11-year-old group, even though it was only one-third of the dose, the protection against symptomatic infection was over 90%, which is an outstanding result.
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and there were no serious adverse events among the children in that age group. and that's just fantastic. and we know that children can get severe disease. we've had over 6 million children get covid. about 1% of them wind up in the hospital. and if you don't get severe disease from covid, you can get this terrible inflammatory syndrome. so this is a great day to give parents the option. it's highly effective. it appears safe. and it is a great day for children and a great day for america. >> what do you make that have low number of parents who say they're in automatically? >> so i think we should take a deep breath. the numbers i've seen is about a third of parents will immunize their children immediately. i would imagine that after the
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vaccine is out and it starts getting within the public, when people talk to their pediatricians, i would expect another 40 to 50% of the american people to get them vaccinated. we really need to continue to work with the positive messages, to be transparent with parents, to be transparent are children, because a 10 or 11-year-old child has a say in this as well. we need to talk to them and get their understanding. i think you'll see that needle move very dramatically as this gets rolled out into the public. >> not in my house. i know cha cha is probably watching right now. you've got no say. if the doctor says you're getting the shot, you're getting the shot. now, the question that becomes a real practical concern, doctor, is the messaging. people are going to say this is only emergency use, that sounds experimental to me, you're not going to guinea pig my kid, and we've never done anything like this before. we already mandate vaccines when
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they go to public school. i'm not using the "m" word, but in terms of messaging, how important is it that the government is consistent and constant in messaging? >> it is the most important thing, chris. and not just the government, but public health professionals. and parents are right to an extent, and we need to acknowledge their concern. everyone wants their child to be safe and to grow and be healthy. this is an emergency use. it's not the standard of a final approval. and we should admit that. but then explain to parents about the risk/benefit. the risk of getting covid among even normal children is substantial. if your child is obese, has any lung disease, heart disease, immunosuppression, this is a no-brainer, you need to get vaccinated now. for the rest, do like you said, chris, do your research, talk to your doctor, and make a good decision. and i think most parents, if you don't pressure them, if you're transport and give them the right information, they're going to do the right thing for their child and for almost all situations, it's to get vaccinated. >> a big item of resistance, especially for people who are
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supporters of the former president, the administration that you served under, they say, then i want to take the mask off, i want the mask off my kid then, if i'm going to get vaccinated, they don't need the masks. and i know the scientific explanation for it, why you just want the added protection, you don't really know yet, they're in such tight confines, i've heard it all. but how do you convince people who say, if i'm going to give you that my kid gets the vaccine, i have to get something out of it, their situation has to improve, i don't want masks. what do you make of that trade? >> you know, it's an artificial trade. what you really get out of vaccinating your child is a high degree of protection that your child won't die, become hospitalized, or get a terrible inflammatory syndrome. that's a pretty good deal. two shots for the health of your child. but secondly, you know, masks aren't going to be forever. and i think the cdc would even
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admit that. right now, we see delta going down. we see vaccinations going up. there will come a time where masks will be reduced. look right now, only 40% of people in the country actually wear a mask when they're in public places. that's down from 70 to 80% in january and february. so mask use has gone down. but we're still beating the virus with delta going away. it's because of vaccination and it's because of natural immunity. so vaccines will be the nail in the coffin to the pandemic and masks are not forever. they are temporary. but right now, particularly in indoor, crowded spaces, especially if you have a high degree of transmission, they're still a reasonable measure for you to take. >> and of course all of those boxes are checked in school. admiral brett giroir, thank you so much. appreciate you. >> thank you. now, something that's being played as a surprise, but any lawyer, even a lousy one like me, had to see this coming.
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if it's all about, in the "rust" movie shooting, where alec baldwin ended up accidentally shooting and killing his cinematographer, how live rounds got on set. the person responsible for there being live rounds on set was going to own it or deny it. we now know how the situation will be played by the attorneys and the team surrounding the 24-year-old who was in charge of the ammunition. it's bring in a veteran armorer. what makes sense, what does not, next. the "rust" movie set. investigators say they're still waiting to hear from the armorer on that set, hannah gutierrez, about getting a followup interview. that's the key to an investigation. it's not what somebody says the first time. it's what happens when investigators learn more and can go back with different questions. now, here is the statement from her lawyer. you could email an urgent question to lisa in marketing. and a follow up. and a “did you see my email?” text. orrrr...
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it's not what somebody says the first time. it's what happens when investigators learn more and can go back with different questions. now, here is the statement from her lawyer. hannah has no idea where the live round came from. hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnessed anyone shoot live rounds with these guns and nor would she permit them. they were locked up every night and at lunch. and there's no way a single one of them was unaccounted for or being shot by crew members. so how does that square with what we know about those final moments? and what we've heard about the guns being used? the guns were in her care. somebody handed it to alec
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baldwin and said it was a cold gun, meaning safe, and it wasn't. let's bring in dutch merrick, a veteran armorer and prop master. good to have you back, brother, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, chris, i appreciate the opportunity. >> so if the investigation demonstrates that what killed halyna hutchins was a live round, and that is what the sheriff said last night on this show, then how could the armorer not be responsible for a live round making its way onto the set? >> well, there's still a question of the chain of custody. everything i've read so far shows that hannah had the gun all the way 'til the set. and then it also says that the first a.d. handed the gun to alec baldwin. so there's a bit of a missing piece of the story. was the armorer inside the church, did she hand it to him outside? it's a little vague, there's a missing time lapse there that myself, i haven't quite figured out. >> so the a.d. says he didn't check the gun himself because in order to explain the lapse, either there was a live round put in the gun intentionally or
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by mistake, before or after he got it. so if he says he didn't check it, either he didn't put it in or he is lying and then did put it in. what seems most likely to you in terms of live ammo being on a set and yet the guns were completely accounted for all the time and locked away and nobody could have ever used them? >> well, there's still the story about crew members firing the guns. now, according to the armorer, the guns were locked up at all times and she knows nothing about firing them. but the sheriff had said that they had heard the crew may have been firing them. i think that's still either a rumor and a red herring or a key part of the story. we're not sure which it's going to be. those dummy rounds should be in the custody of the armorer at all times. and they go from the safe to the cart to the gun to the actor's hand. if she confused a dummy and a real round somehow, it's hard to imagine. >> so -- well, let's iterate
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that for the audience, you don't believe it is easy for someone with any experience at all, let alone being a master, to confuse a blank with a live round. it's crimped at the end, there is no slug, they feel different. so we would assume that's not what happened. what do you make of her position of blaming the producers? let's put up their statement, or i'll just read it, from her attorneys. hannah was hired for two positions on this film. it made it extremely difficult for her to do her job as an armorer. she fought for training, days to maintain weapons, and proper time to prepare for gunfire, but ultimately was overruled by production and her department. >> so i talked to a prop master that was offered that job, and he had submitted a budget and a labor outline, and that labor was going to be five people in the prop department to manage all of the props and the guns. and that would include an armorer. now, the producers said, we don't have that kind of money, it's going to be you plus two assistants, and by the way, one of those assistants is going to be the armorer. so it sounds as though they did understaff that show based on the other prop master's breakdown. the training, it seems to me, that she was asking for a day, a period of time to train with the actors in gun handling, that's my guess, because it's a little unclear the way she said it. additionally, all reports is there weren't enough or maybe no safety meetings. it's standard practice in filmmaking to have a safety meeting if you're going to do
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pyrotechnics or stunts or firearms or anything that could potentially be dangerous, you have a safety meeting at the beginning of the day, and then you have safety meetings throughout the day where the entire crew circles up, we describe what's about to happen, and they might say, well, this is the stunt coordinator, this is the the armorer, they're going to describe their course of events, does anybody have any questions. and once there are no questions and everybody is satisfied that this is totally safe, then we so it sounds as though they did understaff that show based on the other prop master's breakdown. the training, it seems to me, that she was asking for a day, a period of time to train with the actors in gun handling, that's my guess, because it's a little unclear the way she said it. additionally, all reports is there weren't enough or maybe no safety meetings.
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it's standard practice in filmmaking to have a safety meeting if you're going to do pyrotechnics or stunts or firearms or anything that could potentially be dangerous, you have a safety meeting at the beginning of the day, and then you have safety meetings throughout the day where the entire crew circles up, we describe what's about to happen, and they might say, well, this is the stunt coordinator, this is the the armorer, they're going to describe their course of events, does anybody have any questions. and once there are no questions and everybody is satisfied that this is totally safe, then we can proceed. if they were not having safety meetings, that's a major concern, chris. >> dutch merrick, you know the job, you know the reality, and you know when things go wrong. one thing is for sure, there may not be charges, we don't know yet, but there will be changes. appreciate you, brother, i'll talk to you soon. be well. >> thanks for having me. all right. let's go back to where we are, the g20. we had a moment today that is unlike any i've ever even heard of with a pontiff, let alone with a president, okay?
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this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. yeah. delia gallagher and i are already talking. you can't come to rome without having delia gallagher. and i was lucky enough to live history with her today between pope francis and president joe biden. so in one exchange as i already told you earlier in the show the president gave him this challenge coin, this command coin and said hey, you've got to buy the drinks next time. and the pope said yeah, the irish, they like whiskey. but then joe biden told him a story about age being just a number and a matter of perspective, told through the story of this very famous picture in baseball history named satchel paige. take a listen to this. >> thank you for that. >> a famous african-american
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baseball player in america and he didn't get to play in the major league baseball until he was 45 years old and usually, pitchers lose their arm when they're 35. he pitched a win on his 47th birthday. the press walked in the locker room. his name was satchel paige. they come in and said satch, no one's ever pitched a win at age 47. how do you feel about pitching a win on your birthday? and he looked at them and said, "boys, that's not how i look at age. i look at it this way. how old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?" you're 65. i'm 60. god love you. >> vatican correspondent delia gallagher with me. we enjoyed that moment together. i felt bad for the translator. like lost an arm and -- >> it's tough. baseball. >> but what a moment, right? >> that moment, what does it
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tell us? the complete ease of rapport and that wasn't the only moment. right? president biden was talking quite a bit. that was towards the end, right? he was having to go out but kept stopping and saying these little side bars. that is what we saw because we didn't see what they were saying to each other inside. but certainly all of those moments that we saw, even handing him the command coin and so on. i haven't seen those kind of things happen when a head of state meets the pope. this was a very different kind of meeting and i've been watching these things for 20 years. so there was certainly an ease there. the pope was very receptive to it. i think even the length of time, i mean, that's really unprecedented. that was a long time. obviously, there were a lot of policy discussions, okay. but it's just points to me that this was really a very personal,
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intimate meeting. as we had suspected. >> something else happened that we thought they would leave alone. we thought the reproductive rights thing and the communion, they'd already dealt with that, they'd leave it alone. but no. >> that was the game changer. when president biden afterwards told reporters that the pope had said to him, "i am happy that you are a good catholic. you should continue to receive commune." now, that's huge. that's huge on one level of course, because it's a response to what's been going on in the united states with some of the bishops who want to deny communion to pro-choice politicians. but really let's look at that. what does the pope do there? his whole stance on this question, chris, is the question of communion should be decided between the person involved and his priest. so it's a question of conscience together with the priest. whatever your particular situation is. and he's even said this, for
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example, for communion with divorced and remarried people, right? so this is his whole approach. what does he do? he doesn't come out and say that to the bishops. he shows it. he does it himself. this is the example i want you guys to follow. and then in doing that he establishes -- i mean, imagine. it's the president of the united states and the pope and he's saying i know your character, i know your heart, you're a good catholic. that's outstanding kind of phrasing for a pope and a president. that establishes an intimacy and establishes already that's the pope saying, you know, this is somebody who i know and i've spoken with on that kind of a level. >> now, the holy see has not echoed president biden's reckoning of what he was told by the pope, right? >> they'll never do that. that's something that was said according to president biden in the private discussion. >> right. >> they will never talk about that.
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>> so it won't go one way or the other. but also that's his second time that francis has made it clear the bishops in the united states that this is the way he wants this interpreted. >> yes, that's right. but you know, there's a lot of leeway with bishops and what they can do and how they want to handle these questions. so the thing is it's classic francis. he doesn't come and say it straight out, he shows it and sends the message via another route and this was a very powerful one. but again what i find even more powerful about it, think back to john kennedy. you know, the whole debate then was oh, well, you know, he doesn't want to be too catholic because then they're going to think he's under control of the pope. and here, i mean, how times have changed. right? so we see this very close relationship and the pope really reinforced that by going so personal. i mean, how more personal can you get than to say i'm your priest and i'm saying you're a good catholic? >> it was a big deal.
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>> stunning to me. >> you've done it 20 years. you may do it another 20. i don't think you'll ever hear anyone say again drinks on you to the pope and have him ready to go. delia gallagher, thank you so much. it's great to live history with you. i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> all right. we're going to take a quick break and then we'll come back with the hand-off. i don't know how to say it in italian, but i'll do it. ace your immune support with centrum. now with a new look! you've been taking mental health meds, and your mind is finally in a better place. except now you have uncontrollable body movements called tardive dyskinesia td. and it can seem like that's all people see. ♪ some meds for mental health can cause abnormal dopamine signaling in the brain.
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all right. i'm going to be in rome all weekend as part of cnn's coverage of the g20 summit. as they say here -- [ speaking foreign language ] i'll see you tomorrow beginning at 11:00 a.m. eastern. but right now "don lemon tonight" starts with its big star d-lemon. you got the president of the united states saying drinks on you to the pope and telling him a story about satchel paige. what a day. >> what a day. two of the most famous catholics in the world right now. the biggest catholics in the world getting together. i thought it was interesting. i kind of want to relate to what is happening where we live because someone we know, father beck, who weighed in on this. and now all of a sudden is not at his parish out on long island in montauk near where we liv
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