thank you for watching. it is now time for the big show, don lemon tonight, with its big star d. lemon. coming to you early because you deserve the time. >> i'm walking into the studio and looking at the monitor and see aaron rodgers tests positive for coronavirus, not vaccinated. what? >> yeah. >> what? >> yeah. >> why is he still working? do you know how many people he comes into contact with? do you know how many people's lives he put in potential jeopardy of getting sick and beyond? why is he being allowed to -- nobody else can do that. i can't. i have to get vaccinated to come into this building. >> you know how much he matters to that team? >> everybody matters. >> not the same. not the same. >> i get what you're saying, but -- well, it matters if he gives covid to somebody else and they get sick and give it to their sick grandmother or the person who has some autoimmune

deficiency or a kid or whatever. so why is aaron rodgers special? >> because he's aaron rogers and he means millions and millions of dollars to that institution. >> no, that is you know what up. that should not happen. >> it just did. it's happening right now. in fact, they still haven't owned it. right now they are paying, i guarantee you, a bunch of people as smart as you and me put together to figure out how to do deal with this. because they were playing too cute by half. he tried some homeopathic deal, says the reporting, and asks for a waiver. the team said no, but then never enforced any of the rules with him, apparently. >> are we sure he's not vaccinated? >> he has not said that he is not vaccinated. when he was asked he said i'm immunize and people just left it alone. but here's look -- >> i really hope he's

vaccinated. >> i hope he's vaccinated, too, and i hope he doesn't have symptoms and he's okay with covid and he has no long haul. all good wishes for him, but the truth matters, and let me tell you something, it would be really easy to clear up. if he was vaccinated, there should have been a statement out already. he's vaccinated. this is all wrong. where is it? >> okay. >> and if he were vaccinated, he wouldn't have been treated the way that he's been treated since his positive. so unvaccinated players have to quarantine for ten days after the test. vaccinated players don't. it's 24 hours and you need two negative tests within 24 hours. that's not the way they're treating him. they're treating him like he's unvaccinated. that's why he's missing the game sunday. but he should miss two games. we'll see how he handle it.

especially aaron rodgers. it's a big character moment. >> i came on, you said he's not vaccinated. i hope he clears it up. i honestly hope we're wrong, that he is vaccinated and we can go into we got it wrong, aaron rogers is vaccinated. >> i hope we are right and owns it and set a new standard in society among people that people look up to for some reason. i played fast and loose. i should have followed the rules i didn't. i felt i was safe. i'm going to own and it tell you the truth. that would be huge, huge. >> nobody should be above the rules or the law or anything. aaron rodgers is a human being and can spread covid like everybody else can, and if he tests positive -- if he's not vaccinated and his chances of spreading it or becoming ill because of it because he's not vaccinated, are increased because of that, then what the hell? what are we doing? >> we are applying rules

selectively in a way that plays to advantage, like we do in almost every arena of our society and all developed societies. but it's why it's so hard to create change right now. it's almost impossible to hold up a standard because people don't believe anybody holds any standard. >> they don't believe in any rules or there's no rules, no nuance, there's no nothing. i'm here in new york. outside -- and every state in america. you don't have to be wearing a mask when you're outside. but if you go into a business in a place the requires masking, what do you do? >> you got wear one. no shirt, no shoes, no service. >> i just thought about this. i had to go on for a personal matter go to florida for a few hours. tim and i were out by the pool be this woman started harassing us -- why aren't you wearing a mask? what the hell are you talking about?

did you come to florida and -- no, you don't have to wear a mask anywhere in america outdoors. what the hell are you talking about? so people don't believe in -- they don't understand nuance, don't understand what the rules are. everything is a gotcha. aaron rogers is not a gotcha. aaron rodgers is, if he's not vaccinated, flouting the rules, because you're supposed to be vaccinated. if not, you do the testing or do whatever, but that doesn't appear to have happened. >> look, again, it's real easy to clear it up. the organization could clear it up with a tweet while we're speaking. don's making a good point -- there is no advantage found in gotchas. negativity is not a proxy for insight. >> no, just makes you look dumb and stupid, yeah. >> i don't want bad things to happen to aaron rodgers. i want only good things. i love watching him. there's a lot more importance to covid than a game. i really hope for his legacy

that he owns this. either way. look, the good news is, if he's vaccinated he comes out and says, i'm vaccinated. now what? we say, i was wrong to advance that reporting the way i did. he corrected i. and i would do that immediately. >> we always do. don't have to do that in some places. >> but if he says, i'm not. i should have said this, and this and this. show yourself the leader you are on the field off the field. it will matter more in your legacy. >> come here and talk to us. we'll interview you in the handoff. >> three heads. >> listen, i got to run. but, yeah, gotcha moments don't work. just makes you look dumb and -- >> cheap, like everything else that's passing for quality in our discourse right now. cheap. >> go away. move along. not you, but -- >> i know you're not doing that to me. >> i love you. i got to get to a lot of breaking news. good evening, everyone.

it's don lemon tonight. we have a lot of breaking news. before i get to the breaking news i want to tell you, we're going to talk in a way i think about the court system in america that no other show is discussing about bringing light to what happens, the power that judges have, the inequalities in our court system, criminal justice system that need to be brought light. our breaking news right now, cnn is learning that the house will vote tomorrow on president joe biden's build back better bill and the infrastructure bill, okay? this is a moment of truth for democrats, a real come to jesus moment. now, if the president's party doesn't learn the lessons of this election blood bath, really, they are going -- mark my words. i have been saying this a lot. i know guys get mad. why are you beating up on the democrats? i'm not. i'm just telling you the truth. if they don't learn their lesson now -- should have learned it months ago -- actually should have learned it from the very

beginning, number one, during the obama administration. the republicans didn't want to work with obama. they don't want to work with joe biden. so what do you do? why are you still trying to work with them? it ain't going to happen. democrats don't learn now they're going to pay the price for years to come. voters are speaking and they're speaking loud and clear. they spoke loud and clear. they want to get something done. they don't care about the sausage making that you can't get along with this person. they don't care. people care about gas prices, they care about the cost of feeding their families, right? how much does bacon cost? how much do eggs cost? what about milk? what about, you know, you want a beer every now and then, how much? they care. they care about crime, they care about whether parents should have the say in what's taught in schools. there's nuance to that.

we're going to talk about that as well. all of that plus vaccines and masks in the middle of what feels like a never-ending pandemic. there are real issues and real concerns that go way beyond the manufactured outrage over critical race theory. critical race theory is the new buzzword. remember this? think about it. okay, some of you, like, young, you don't remember all this. remember on the propaganda channel, oh, my gosh, the new black panthers! it's like four people. acorn! that went away. antifa! that's gone away. and now it's critical race theory. the white house today saying that republicans are lying about crt. >> but we also need to be honest here about what's going on here. republicans are lying. they're not being honest. they're not being truthful about where we stand, and they're cynically trying to use our kids as a political football. >> so, the gop is already ramping up, you know, to take

the strategy that succeed in the virginia nationwide. >> we will soon unroll a parents bill of rights. you have a right to know what's being taught in school. you have a right to participate. education is the great equalizer. we're all created equal, and we're going to make sure we make that happen across this country. >> let me just say something. republicans are very good at messaging. but they're also very good at overplaying their hands. and that is a changer here for them. and it looks like kevin mccarthy is about to overplay his hand. but, having said that, democrats, read the room. read the room. there's a mirror. i don't have it here.

hold up a mirror. because that manufactured outrage over critical race theory -- that's what it is, it's manufactured. it's not just a racist dog whistle. it preys on fears of parents and children that their children are being taught to hate white people. okay, that's not what it is. we know what it is, right? it's manufactured even though critical race theory is not taught in virginia schools. but the outrage, right, there is real outrage there. because they think -- because they think it's happening, right? so that part is manufactured a let bit as well. the concerns, i should say, about education, are very real. the outrage is manufactured. the concerns are real. democrats need a much better argument than just, it's not being taught. okay, it's not being taught. but there are a lot of people who believe it's being taught. it's not.

another lesson from this election -- again, as i have said for a couple of years now, tire offend fighting about it, but i'm going say it. defund the police was the worst rallying cry ever! go become and look, i have always said defund the police was the dumbest slogan i had ever heard. i don't care if you get mad, progressives. dumb. activists, dumb. that was the worst, whoever came one that. even minneapolis, a city where george floyd was murdered by a police officer rejecting a ballot measure to overall policing. but here we are, just days after democrats got their clocks cleaned, the house speaker nancy pelosi saying that they have to do something. >> virginia democrats were very critical of the decision not to put the infrastructure bill on the floor before the election,

and they say that contributed to terry mcauliffe's loss. do you believe the house democrats in any way were partially responsible for happened on tuesday? >> what i said was, any sign of progress is always good for the public when they understand what it is, and i think they understand infrastructure pretty well. so it would have been better if we had. i don't know, because i haven't seen the data, but it was not a good night. >> okay, so there is an admission there. and maybe it was -- there was always a knee jerk reaction, maybe the data will show something different or maybe it's more nuanced than they got shellacked, but no, they got shellacked. they know what they have to do. can they get out of their own way? >> this election on tuesday showed us how seriously we have to take these issues, these pocketbook issues, and the reality is the build back better

act is going to reduce costs for poor families and working families. >> and can they figure out how to get -- don't get mad. don't shoot the messenger here -- the de facto president on board? and you know who that is. >> we can't go too far left. this is not a center left or a left country. we are a center, if anything, a center right country, and that's being shown, and we ought to be able to recognize that. >> listen, you know, that was a bit tongue in cheek, but that's what it amounts to. even the president said in our town hall, even when you have 50 potential little presidents in the senate and in the congress. there is something that i -- as i was watching, i watched joe manchin on our morning show this morning and on all the morning shows, and he's talking about coal and china and firing up all the plants and that sort of thing, which seemed like a

really good argument, quite honestly. i don't know if he realized he was making it. for climate change legislation. i was like, does he realize he's actually making the argument for climate change legislation while talking about coal? it's a very good reason to have climate change legislation to boost it, to put it in the infrastructure bill and get behind it. that as the january 6th committee is continuing its work. sources telling cnn the former justice department official jeffrey clark is expected to appear tomorrow for an interview with the committee. clark was subpoenaed after failing to voluntarily cooperate. he was one of the doj official who pushed the form er president's big lie of bogus election fraud claims. i talked about that just this morning with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. it was at our citizen by cnn.

remember when the then-president told raffensperger this? >> so, look, all i want to do is this -- i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> he just came right out and said, this is what i need. these are the votes i need. go get them. spoiler alert, though, they didn't. now raffensperger tells me why the big lie is alive and well even now a year later. 8 in 10 -- even still, 8 in 10 republicans believe in the big lie. that is what the polling shows. why is that, secretary? do you have an explanation for that? >> no. i do know that last year we were combatting rumors on a daily basis, which i document in my book. we had 40,000 twitter followers and president trump had 80 million, so it got out there,

became an urban legend, an urban myth. much like going back to 2018. >> okay, so that's the politics. this has a little bit to do with politics. this is what i said when i talked about our courts and court reform, criminal justice reform. i think the reformation of our legal system as well. because what is happening in two courtrooms across the country is -- you should pay attention. the first one is in wisconsin. the second one is in georgia. it shows us just how divided we still are on race, the attention that needs to be brought to what's happening, what happens in our courts, and reform. arguments set to begin tomorrow morning in the trial of three white men accused of killing a 25-year-old black man, ahmaud arbery who was fatally shot while jogging last year.

nearly all-white jury, jury of your peers. this time all white. they will decide the case. 11 white jurors, one black. ahmaud arbery's mother speaking out. >> i was very shocked that we only had one black african-american man. i mean, that was devastating. >> now imagine if it was reversed. all black jurors. just imagine that. protesters taking to the street today even though the judge says there appeared to be discrimination, but ruled the case would go forward. >> this court has found that there appears to be intentional discrimination. again, quite a few african-american jurors were excused through preemptory strikes exercised by the defense. but that doesn't mean that the

court has the authority to reseat. >> i don't care how you feel about it. i mean, if you're sitting around and you're saying, man, that is messed up, come on -- the defense had explicitly called for more white males over 40, so-called and i quote here, bubas or joe six packs on the jury. that's what defense attorney kevin goth called them. the jury that will decide the fate of three white men accused of killing a black man out running in a georgia neighborhood. i want you to see what happened, because we might never have known what happened to george -- excuse me, ahmaud arbery, if it weren't for the shooting being caught on camera. and i warn you, it's disturbing to watch.

[ gunshot ] >> they weren't police officers. meanwhile, a courtroom in kenosha, a juror was dismissed from kyle rittenhouse's homicide trial after he told a racist joke to a deputy earlier this week about the police shooting of jacob blake, a black man shot in the back seven times by a white police officer and left paralyzed. it was later said that he picked up a knife that he had dropped but didn't intend to use it. both the defense and prosecution agreed to dismiss the juror, the judge saying that it is clear that the appearance to bias is present and it would seriously

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have no relation to the matter on which congress is considering legislation. the judge also suggesting that the house select's committees request for documents could be too broad. lot to discuss with congressman pete agwular of california, a member of the select committee. congressman, good to see you, thank you. let's get into this. >> thanks, don. >> the judge sounding deeply skeptical about trump's case, but she also said the request from your committee is alarmingly broad. are you willing to narrow to scope of what you're asking for if it comes to that? >> we're willing to follow the presidential records act. that's what governs the documents. that's what our attorneys laid out. that's the case they made. it's important to note this is a comprehensive review s so they are going to seek comprehensive documents. this goes back early into 2020 clearly when the president

started fomenting the big lie. we want to make sure we're getting every document we can, but specifically leading up to january 5th and 6th, the rallies in the documents and laws and, clearly that is within the scope as the judge indicated. >> you often have to, you know, make a -- sometimes cut things down or whatever in these cases, so we'll see what you have to do. but the committee chair benny thompson says he's signed a subpoena. but what can you tell me about this new batch of subpoenas, sir? >> what i can tell su the chairman and vice chair liz cheney will break any news related to future activities, be that hearings or investigative activities, but we're making significant progress. that's what i can tell you. over 150s and discussions we have had with team as we try to

build the case document here and gather more information as to what happened on january 5th and 6th and the rallies and the brutal insurrection. we want to make sure we do this right and we cothat by following every lead. i want to thank the committee staff for their work and chairman thompson for his leadership to make sure we lift up every rock and look everywhere we can to find the material that's necessary to give a comprehensive review and tell the story of january 6th. >> congressman, cnn is learning that your committee is expected to interview former trump doj official jeffrey clark tomorrow. he tried to help trump overturn the 2020 election. what do you want to know about what was going on inside the doj to subvert the election? i can't comment on any future interviews we may be having, but what i can tell you is one key

element we are discussing is the doj pressure campaign that clearly was under way by and navigated by the trump white house. from all the conversations that they have to, you know, continuing to push the big lie that we saw that led to this. all of that, you know, the critical hub of this was the department of justice and the work that they did in giving the president advice on certification of the election. that gets back to some of the documents that we're looking for and working through the national archives process. we think that's all in game, but clearly the doj, a pressure campaign is what we're seeking to tray to unravel here, and that's a critical element of what we need to discuss. >> we as everyone else watching very closely. thank you. we'll have you back soon. good luck. >> thanks, don. is wokeness to blame for

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okay, so the finger pointing in full swing on the democrats after crushing defeats in tuesday's election. democratic strategist james carville making no bones about what he thinks is the blame. >> nothing wrong but stupid wokeness. look at long island, buffalo, minneapolis. even look at seattle washington. this defund the police lunacy, this take abraham lincoln's name off the schools -- people see

that. they're expressing a language that people just don't use, and there's a backlash and a frustration at that. >> listen, i've heard james carville say that before. that was the mantra before the election, so the question is is that the fruit of it? is that what's happening now? so, do democrats need a lesson in messaging? joining me to discuss cnn political commentators ashley alison and scott jennings. scott, are you getting any sleep? i saw you on this morning on citizen. you're on late. >> i'm the second hardest working guy behind you. >> that's why i'm going start with ashley. she's fresher. 51% of voters said the party was too liberal. should the party be listening to

carville? >> no. i think what james carville said is flawed, and it's not accurate. he made reference to buffalo and seattle. it's not like the state races flipped to republicans. they just went more moderate. he left out of pittsburgh and boston where i am now, all that elected young progressive people of color candidates. in virginia, yes, democrats didn't win, but it wasn't because terry mcauliffe was a "woke" candidate, and i don't like that term, because what does that mean is this a candidate who stand up for poor people, black people, people shouldn't be killed at the hands of police? i don't think he's right, and that's highly problematic if that's what the democrats are going to follow. >> scott, you're smiling and you're like, keep doing it because we're going to keep winning. i'm seeing your smile and reading your thoughts here. >> james carville was brave enough to say it. i think there's a lot of people thinking it but not brave enough to say it because if you're a

democrat and you get out of line, they come for you in a hurry just like they're coming for him today. his comments set off outrage on the american left. i think some of this lays at the feet of joe biden, frankly. he ran as a moderate. in the democratic primary he was the moderate guy, and then in the general election he said i'm a moderate competent dealmaker. he's not moderate, he's become progressive and, he's not making any deals he ran as a middle america competent, going take the drama out of our lives guy, and what's been shocking to me is how much he's been willing to outsource his administration to the progressives, the woke progressives and i don't think the american people like it because it's not what they signed up for. i think carville has a strong point. the problem for the democrats is a lot of energy in the party is with the people who don't agree with james carville, so they've got an interfamily feud to

settle. and right now it doesn't look like they're anywhere near settling. >> ashley, joe biden is not a moderate? is joe biden a progressive in your book? >> no, joe biden stands for paid leave and people having good education and affordable housing that doesn't seem progressive. seems like what we want for a just america. i'm not sure what you want to define joe biden as a progressive as, scott. yes, joe biden is struggling with his approval ratings but this is a normal trend. after every first year of a president's election, new jersey and virginia's governors usually flip, so what happened is we did better than normal because we didn't lose new jersey's governorship but we did lose virginia. so i mean, i think to say that joe biden is a progressive is a stretch -- >> if you look at the trend lines, you look at virginia, it has been tilting blue. joe biden just won by ten points. terry mcauliffe had a huge lead.

>> but we can't ignore what happened in virginia. >> you can't ignore what happened in new jersey as well. but go on. >> there was race baiting language and lies around critical race theory, and they weren't addressed head on in virginia. but when you look at races across the board in wisconsin, new hampshire, and ohio, people who did anti-mask campaigns that were running for school board or city counsel or anti-crt, they were not successful. but that's because those candidates went local, talked to voters and addressed it normally and addressed the issue in a fair and accurate way. yes, virginia was not a good night for dems, and i think there are some lessons to learn. but i don't think it was because of what james carville is saying. woke politics, and i don't think it's because people think joe biden is a progressive. >> scott, she has a point, because republicans capitalizing

in these elections around fear of the boogieman of critical racethyry, and they saw that as a winning strategy. it was embraced in virginia. i know you're sick of people being called racists but if you're talking about something called critical race theory ands the not being taught, how does any of that make sense? how do you not call that out? >> i think people in virginia were tire of being condescended to to have the audacity to ask questions about what's going on in schools. it has far more to do with a cascade of issues. >> scott, i think you're exactly right on that, but people -- critical race theory was manufactured. yes, you are right. terry mcauliffe made a huge error by saying people shouldn't be able to participate in their kids' schooling. again, i don't think that's what he meant, but that's how it came across. that was his error. fine, i'm not making an excuse

for that. but to say critical race theory was taught in schools that was manufactured. it is called critical race theory that people bought into, so how does one defend that? >> well, first of all, there is a whole show we could do on critical race theory and whether it's being taught or not. it does appear on some of the educational institution websites in the state of virginia, and that's been reported. if it's being taught in every classroom versus some classrooms -- >> is there any evidence it's being taught in any classroom? >> there's evidence it's being discussed by the people who run the educational institutions in virginia. but here's the issue, parents believe if it's being taught or under consideration for being taught, they want to stand up and say, i don't want my 5, 6, 7-year-old kid told if they were born white they're inherently wrong, evil, bad racists because they're not. >> that's not happening. >> and he knows that's not what's happening. >> it was the closures, the masks, it was the little girl who was sexually assaulted in

the bathroom and they tried to cover it up. it was a cascade of issues in which parents believe that, yes, woke administrators were putting woke policies ahead of what was best for the kids and parents. and if democrats believe that's not what was going on, they are whistling dixie past the grave yard in virginia and every other state because it's going to come back and bite them in the next election. >> scott, i think you're right there were a cascade of issues. i think you're right on that. but on the critical race theory -- people discuss a lot of things that don't necessarily make it to the classroom. should it be on the curriculum, should it not? should we teach old math or new math? that doesn't mean it's going to trickle down into the system. i think a lot of things should be discussed. my issue is not -- i think you're absolutely 300% right on the trickle down issues, and parents care about what their kids are being taught, but critical race theory is a boogieman that is not necessarily real, and that is a problem.

we must -- we have to live with a shared reality of what's true, and critical race theory is not on the curriculum in virginia, and it was a boogieman. >> but there are parents who have been living with their kids on zoom, don, who have clearly heard things that they don't like. and so i know you say it's not being taught, but things have been said in classrooms that have reached parent's ears that they were alarmed by. and then they had the adacity to go ask a question about it and they're told, lying, it's naught real when they clearly heard something with their own ears or their kids heard something and they want to know exactly what's being taught in that classroom. >> there was a lot of i heard, i heard, i heard, but again the evidence doesn't show that. but go on, ashley. >> here's the thing, we should stop using words like wokism. we should stop using terms like critical race theory to zrdescre

things that are not actually that. what happened in virginia is that youngkin and republicans launched a campaign with race baiting language. that is the truth. if you want to argue on criminal justice reform or housing policy or actual education policy like what's in the build back better plan like universal pre-k or free community college, i'll have that debate. but what was done in virginia was misinformation and intentional. it was to mislead the voters and bait the -- >> i've got to go, scott. quick. >> you've got to give my 5 seconds on this because i have to say if it is true republicans were running a race campaign in virginia they did a piss poor job, because the people we elect were people of color. two of or three candidates weren't even white and somehow all these racists showed up and -- >> that's a whole other

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gop officials around the country are taking note after glen youngkin's success in virginia and the near win in new jersey. my next guest says it's all because the former president was not on the ballot. good to see you, tim. he's the author, by the way of "trump nation." and his news article is virginia and new jersey voters like their trumpm without trump. okay, tim, again, hello. so let's start with defining trumpism. this is what you write. you said i'm defining trumpism

in the same terms the former president himself first outlined when he rode down that trump tower escalator in 2016. anti-institutional, anti-elite backlash wedded to cold-blooded us versus them politics often shrouded in bigotry and racism. what was that example? what was that lesson, i should say? >> that lesson is that unfortunately is a very powerful political message. i think that trump made great hay not by delivering on policy, not by bringing people together but by trying to frighten people into supporting him because he was going to stand in the way of these big, oppressive institutions run by elites that were oppressing his supporters. and he rode into power by overtly appealing to bigotry and racism in a way -- and he not only touched the third rail that the gop had been dancing around

for decades, he climbed on it and danced on it, and he did it for four years. but because he was an incompetent i think buffoon prone to historyonics, he made to a certain portion of the g.o.p. i think now you are seeing people like youngkin or like ron desantis or others who are campaigning as trump lite. embracing trumpism and keeping trump himself at bay. i think that will be the roadmap going into the midterms and into 2024 from a political standpoint. i also think we have to really worry about how grotesquely this is degrading the public dialogue, and how are we going to respond to that. >> well, that is my question,

how do we respond to it and how do the democrats respond. this is a republican tactic. i want to take a break and come back to talk about it on the other side. stand by. with up to 50% more lotion puffs bring soothing softness and relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with training and tuition. today, i'm a medical assistant and i'm studying to become a registered nurse.

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analysis out of his ear in the last segment. the first thing voters cared about is the economy, jobs, taxes and their wallet. the second is education. most in new jersey and virginia were incense body how the lockdowns were handled. both were smart to zero in on education and went beyond the lockdowns to talk about the idea that parents childrens minds were being poisoned by being taught about slavery and racism and nothing to do with the c.r.t. both democratic candidates let the message get out of their hands. this is happening around the legislation democrats are trying to push through congress. they should be making a better case than they have for the opportunity they are providing by taking on these great issues of our time, climate change,

economic inequality, a melting infrastructure base around the country. they are things that need to be solved and make us a stronger country and allowed the republicans to out to all of those programs as big spending, over leaning government. tax and spend. tax and spend. problem solving and opportunity creation. i think they have to make a better case for what they are already doing talking about legislation, and on the social front they have to come back very strongly when the republicans propagandize and use racism to divide people and to mystify them and to make them think that is the root cause of what ails them right now. >> yeah. >> there is no indication that wokeism was the core issue voters are responding to. the economy and education.

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