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her belongings away and bought her tombstone and started to grieve and on the day she was to have died bettina woke up. it's incredible. her son tells us that his mother is slowly improving and she says she will be vaccinated as soon as she recovers. that is a miracle of a story. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. on almost every front tonight including no shortage of breaking news, the stories we bring you touch on the big question, some go back to the beginning of this country and most deal with how we get along as citizen, neighbors or members of a participatory democracy which as we've been learning isn't so simple anymore. the defense rests in the trial of three white men charged with murdering a black man, ahmaud a arbery. the defense attorney trying to exclude black pastors has made race central in the matter.
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vigilante justice and guns all figure highly in the trial of kyle rittenhouse, and the jurors went home after a third day of deliberations and the judge barring an entire cable news outlet from the courtroom and showing the degree to which rittenhouse is barely old enough to vote has been a figure in right-wing politics. matt gaetz all, but offered him an internship. in a case that goes to congress' power that has constitutional questions dating back to the founding, lawyers for steve bannon were in court today making moves to slow walk their contempt of congress case through the process, perhaps hoping to run out the clock. and mark meadows who, like bannon, is also defying a subpoena appeared on bannon's podcast, touting the boss as a future house speaker. >> i would love to see the gavel go from nancy pelosi to donald trump. you're talking about melting down. people would go crazy. >> that's minority leader kevin
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mccarthy over whether basic civility can survive in congress, vowing if republicans take the house he will reinstate paul gosar or marjorie taylor greene or promote them and retribution against democrats. >> this isn't about threats. it's about holding people accountable. >> so just to keep it all straight, congressman gosar is the death threat anime guy, and marjorie taylor greene is the jewish laser lady. still one item tonight provides a sliver of hope that dr. king said still bends toward justice. in new york the exoneration of two men wrongly convicted in the 1965 assassination of malcolm x and a remarkable apology from the current manhattan district attorney. >> i apologize for what were serious, unacceptable violations of law and the public trust. i apologize on behalf of our nation's law enforcement for
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this decades-long injustice which has eroded public faith in institutions that are designed to gaurn tuarantee equal protecf the law. >> the trial of three men charged in the killing of ahmaud arbery. martin savidge. >> the prosecution rested on tuesday after eight days and 23 wens. the defense rested after two days and seven witness e the primary one being, of course, the man who killed ahmaud arbery, travis mcmichael. >> travis mcmichael taking the stand in his own defense for a second day in the trial for the killing of ahmaud arbery. lead prosecutor continued to go after him during cross-examination. >> you also could have stepped around the back of the truck and followed him in the path that way, is that right? >> yes, but then he would have open, unrestricted run around the truck and into my open door
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into my pickup truck, and get in the truck. >> so you're telling this jury t a man who has spent five minutes running away from you is thinking will want to continue to engage with you, someone with a shotgun and your father a man who has just said stop or i'll blow your [ bleep ] head off by trying to get in their truck? >> that's what it shows, yes, ma'am. >> the prosecutor attempted to purchase holes in his testimony. >> detective specifically asked you, do you remember if he grabbed the shotgun at all? and your response was i want to say he did, but honestly i cannot remember. i mean, we were -- me and him were face to face the entire time. do you remember saying that? >> yes, and i was trying to think of that exact moment, trying to give him as much detail as possible under the stress and all of this going on. it was obvious that he had the
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gun from what i was saying in here, he had the weapon the way that i was describing it. he did not have the gun at that success i don't know why. >> also pressuring him on his self-defense claim. >> and you were right there and you just pulled that trigger immediately. >> no, i was struck, and he was -- we were face to face and i was struck and that's when i shot. he started striking, he was on me. he had a shirt or something to that point and i had a gun and i was too close to drawing him. >> he's striking you. you've got the gun up in this thing and you can't draw down on him and it's a struggle and he's on you and you're going back and forth in front of the truck, is that what you're saying? >> and the prosecutor calling out his and his father's alleged intent to make a citizen's arrest. >> urg did your statement to the police did you say that you and your father were trying to arrest mr. arbery, did you? >> no, ma'am. >> meanwhile, outside the courtroom pastors al sharpton,
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jesse jackson, jamal briance, martin luther king iii and attorneys ben crump and lee merit joined the arbery family in a prayer vigil led by al sharpton, joining a march after wards to honor arbery. william goff attorney for william "roddie" bryan, keeping jesse jackson out of the courtroom. the judge once again denied the motion and goff called for a mistrial after objecting to this question from the state. >> do you believe that someone stealing is deserving of death penalty? >> relevance, your honor. >> the mistrial request was denied, but the judge admonished the prosecutor and instructed the jury to disregard the question. by the end of the day, the defense rested their case. >> with that understanding, we rest. >> ahmaud arbery's mother sounded hopeful after court ended for the day.
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s i want to remind you that there were 74 days that we went without an arrest. things happen and now we're here and i am very confident that we will get a guilty verdict. very confident. >> martin, what's n in the case? >> well, tomorrow they'll go over the charging documents. it sounds like it's just basic boring stuff, but it's not. that's critical because those are the instructions and that's what the jury is going to be told on the charges and then the jury comes back monday, 9:00 a.m. expecting to hear closing argument, but again, it's not your typical case, three defendants. that means each gets an hour. three hours for the defense and three hours for the prosecution. we expect that the jury will get the case on monday, anderson? >> martin savidge, appreciate it. joining us is bishop reginald jackson with the episcopal district of the ame church. he is one of many clergy members
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outside the courthouse today. bishop jackson, thanks for being with us. what can you tell us about the prayer vigil that you attended outside the courthouse today. why was it important for you to be there? >> anderson, first, let me say good evening. second, the prayer vigil today was an awesome experience and it was important for us to be there because the black church in particular, the black pastor has always been historically been the conscience of the nation and black pastors, we stood with eric gardner's family in new york, we stood with tamir rice's family in cleveland and we stood with the family of trayvon martin, and we stood with george floyd and we are standing here now with the arbery family. we encourage, we do all that we can to love and help them know that they're not by themselves, that's what this is about today. >> you've said that you believe the defense's criticism of black pastors being in the courtroom
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was a legal tactic on their part. why do you believe that and what do you think they were hoping to a kee achieve with it. first of all, the statement made no sense. one day he criticized reverend sharpton for being there and the next day he apologized for those he allegedly offended and there was no consistence, in addition to that, we believe there is an attempt on their part to get a mistrial and hoping that black pastors, i guess, would roam into the courtroom and intimidate the jury and that kind of thing. so we really think this was a legal tactic that we had no intention of walking into. >> benjamin crump, who as you know, is the attorney for ahmaud arbery's father is looked at as a criminal or thug and someone like kyle rittenhouse, with
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first-degree intentional homicide in wisconsin attracts support and benefit of the doubt. i wonder if you agree with that, how does that disparity ever get fixed in this country? >> well, i do agree with what he said and the fact of the matter is this has been an ongoing process, try to correct that perception, and yet i'm not sure when it's going to end, and i think perhaps it's not something that's coincidental and perhaps something that's intentional. >> i do think it's interesting that whenever it seems like there is a blacken vofled who is a victim. that makes them look not, as if they're the perpetrator. this be gone with ahmaud arbery and from's black after black
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after black. we support ask encourage these families. >> are you concerned about the jury makeup in this case? >> oh, it's impossible not to be concerned about the jury makeup when you look at glynn county. 27% of the population at least is black, yet there's only one black on the jury, that raises some troubling concerns and even the judge himself raised an issue in terms of racism playing a part. so i don't think that can be denied, but yet we're going to be hopeful that this jury will pay attention to the facts and let the facts guide them in making their determination. >> bishop jackson, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> joining us is paul allen, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, as well. first of all, the make of the jury. the defense was able to get a number of potential black jurors stricken from consideration. >> well, you know, everybody was shocked by this and they should
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be because we like juries to be representative of the community and if you have 30% african-americans in the community you'd like it see them fairly represented. instead you only have one african-american on this jury. the judge, though, said that he had questioned the defense attorneys who exercised the challenges knocking the black individuals off about the reasons for those challenges and that when he questioned the attorneys they expressed legitimate reasons for asking them to be excused, such as they knew too much about the case or they had formed an opinion about the case. or they had an association to someone who mute be a wrns, in which we've seen one of the defenses take a stand. >> i thought that the prosecutor chopped his head off at the end of the day. she was criticized yesterday because she had been friendly
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with him in the beginning of the cross anymore nation, but i think she did eye marvelous job and he wasn't acting on self-defense and he probably lied because he contradicted prior statements that he made under oath. ? he also -- she walked through the actual circumstances and there was no thought -- there were other options this man had, calling police, for instance, if he thought mr. arbery was -- had done something wrong. >> absolutely. his story was that there had been a lot of burglaries in the neighborhood and that arbery was a suspect because he had seen him leave the house in question on one occasion, but one, as you say, he didn't call the police and he claimed he thought his father had called the police and in fact, the police were only called after the confrontation was under way, and then arbery
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was really stalked, eventually by three people. he was cornered and then the prosecutor did a very good job in developing what happened just prior to the shots. arbery was approaching from the rear of the truck, and the defendant mcmichaels had tried to create the i lugsz that arbery was coming directly at him and he had no choice, but to pull a gun, and arbery came on the vehicle on the passenger side and mr. mcmichael had ample opportunity to go elsewhere if he thought he was threatened. in fact, he moved to the front of the vehicle, shotgun in hand and when arbery came around, he was now confronting a man with a shotgun aimed at him. you can imagine the terror ar gerry must have felt. arbery felt that there were two or three individuals, probably armed, hunting him in this neighborhood. he had absolutely terrified. >> it is sickening when the
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videotape itself is just stunning. the idea that someone would not call police and jump in a vehicle with shotguns and think that's a good idea. >> well, let's hunt him down. and then they try to say the defense is based on this 1863 post-civil war law that was used to help round up slaves, frankly, by saying citizens can effect arrests. he doesn't tell ar are abouty he's under arrest and they don't tell the police this was a citizen's arrest situation, and this woel story has materialized as a lsi implausible defense. >> there's the arbery drill and the ridden house, and you have sigh vance a pol juicing to two
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men being released after the ashs assassination of malcolm x. >> there are all these huge trials going on. maybe it had something to do with the pandemic and the cases are all coming out now because we're starting to get back into courtrooms to try cases, but these are all cases of very great importance for the country because, you know, they stand for things that are really important. you were mentioning the thing about trying to get the black pastors out of the courtroom as if in an american courtroom, any american citizen doesn't have the right to walk into that courtroom. >> and the allegation of the defense attorney says they're attempting to influence the one black juror on the jury. >> right. and that's just a complete joke. i mean, it's a central we have an open trial in this country. >> a closer look to the degree of kyle rittenhouse has become a folk hero for some on the right
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to unveil them to the world. ♪ >> more breaking news, day three in the kyle rittenhouse trial and no shortage of headlines including more from the judge. our sara sidner joins us from kenosha. what's the latest? >> the latest is the jury has gone through its third full day of deliberations and still no verdict. however, one of the jurors did ask the judge if she could take the jury instructions home. there are 36 pages of instructions. the judge agreed so the jurors can do that as long as they do not discuss the case with anyone or deliberate on their own. there was also an admonishment from the judge to one of the national networks that was here, a freelancer for msnbc. police said was trailing the
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jury van where the jury was and basically was trying to follow them. the police said they found that he ran a red light. they gave him a citation and they detained him for some time and basically said he was trying to, you know, somehow get in charge with the jury or take pictures and the judge admonishing msnbc saying they are no longer allowed in the courtroom. banned in the courtroom. they came out saying it was our freelancer and he was not trying to gather information from the jurors. at the time the judge saying look, they're not allowed in the courtroom if they're going to go after the jury in any kind of way. that's where we are in the case and we are waiting for the jury to deliberate tomorrow and maybe or maybe not, we will have a verdict. >> i know the city continues to prepare for possible verdict. the school district gave an update today. what did they say? >> several school, five schools, in fact, have gone to virtual learning throughout the rest of this week and two, have decided
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they're going to do it on monday, as well. one of which i am looking across here from the court. it is very close, and i should also mention that police did detain someone for having a weapon right outside of court because it's within a thousand feet of a school, and there have been a few people carrying weapons from ar-style or pistols, saying thought them back in your carry or you will be arrested. >> none of this is happening in a vacuum. kyle rittenhouse at age 18 facing hop side charges has been a folk hero on the right. matt gaetz all but offered hum a job. >> kyle rittenhouse would probably make a pretty good congressional intern and we may reach out to him and see if he'd be interested in helping the country in additional ways. >> congressman gaetz isn't the only one embracing ridttenhouse. >> he's trying to make sure his
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town is safe. >> he has become a celebra on the right. >> how shocked are we that 17-year-olds had to maintain order when no one else would? >> he has found a faithful following. >> you've got a little boy out there trying to protect his community. >> this kid who was a, you know, a fire cadet, a lifeguard and a police explorer. >> knighted by many conservatives as an all-american hero. >> this is what happens in our society when police are told to stand down, when no one is there to protect businesses. >> days after the shooting in 2020, it was then president trump who refused to condemn rittenhouse. >> he was traying to get away from them, it looks like and he fell and they violently attacked him and he probably would have been killed. >> and liked a tweet supporting him and it was rittenhouse's supporter who dollar by $collectively paid his $2
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million bail and sold images with his image emblazoned. >> he was received from the proud boys according to prosecutors. his defense team saying there's no information rittenhouse knew who they were. rittenhouse posing for photos in a t-shirt saying free as "f" and flashing a hand sign, what prosecutors say has been co-opted as the white supremacist okay sign. >> mark mccloskey and his wife best known for this gun-wielding moment supported rittenhouse in person at the courthouse this month, all the while, a conservative group producing a glossy video not only to defend rittenhouse. >> kyle rittenhouse, a lifeguard that risks his safety toe protect his community, but using him as a rallying cry. >> it's not kyle rittenhouse they're after and their endgame is to strip away the constitutional right of all citizens.
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house minority leader kevin mccarthy said today he'd
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reinstate paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene on committee, potentially better ones after republicans win back the house after next year's midterms. >> they don't have committees. the committee assignment they have now they may have with other committee assignments. i think with gosar those are the ones he wants. taylor greene, she was just a freshman. i know she requested others. she has the right to serve on committees. >> just yesterday congressman goes ar was censured and removed from two committees animating himself killing alexandria ocasio cortez and joe biden. >> here's what alexandra ocasio cortez about reversing that punishment. >> i would love leader mccarthy to shout that from the rooftops. please let him communicate to the entire country that he is deeply supportive of people who
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are violent towards women and that he is deeply supportive of members and deeply accepting of members who fund raise for neonaz i organizations and placing them on important -- on important committees. >> also tonight in the category of least surprising, ever the former president endorsed congressman gosar making no mention of the controversy calling him, quote, a loyal supporter of our america first agenda. joining us now to try to make sense of it all, good luck with that, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and krikr kirsten powers, author of "saving grace." >> they kicked off their committee seats and it's retribution. it's -- just the whole thing is just -- this is where we're at. it's really just depressing. >> yeah. and it's, you know, it's also about donald trump because donald trump is all about
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vengeance. so mccarthy is all about vengeance. i have to tell you, anderson, what really struck me after listening to mccarthy yesterday and then hearing him today is that yesterday he took to the floor of the house, and he said what the democrats were doing was an abuse of power, and then today he promised that if he were to become speaker he would do exactly the same thing. so he's effectively saying well, okay, an eye for an eye, but i accuse them of abusing power, but when i do it it won't be abusing power. it's hard to understand. >> kirsten, what does it say about the party that republicans like gosar and greene have become elevated and yet liz cheney voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, some of whom are getting death threats and are shunned and excommunicated. >> it shows you where the seat of power is in this party and i think you hear kevin mccarthy
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saying these thing because he is afraid of marjorie taylor greene and he's saying this to try to appease her and keep her off of his back and then thrill the base with owning the libs which is kind of the, you know, the mantra of conservatives today their sort of guiding light and so, you know, the thing about this is is that obviously, what, you know, what they're doing to aoc is obviously unacceptable. this is a hostile workingen vier environment and this is the house of u.s. representatives. the question is does this really matter when you look at what voters are focusing on. aoc saying i hope you shout this from the rooftops. the democrats are losing on the generic ballot and there has been a swing. >> we just lost her mike.
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kirsten, i'm sorry. gloria, kevin mccarthy said he spoke to the former president earlier this morning and you combine that with the endorsement of gosar and mccarthy wants everyone to think he is in lockstep with the former president, and what are they saying privately? >> i talked with one who, a moderate republican, somebody who wroted for the infrastructure bill, somebody who is in a very marginal district for republicans and he feel, i guess the word i would use is alienated. he's unhappy that now he's going to be targeted and i think the question is don't they want him to win his seat back? does that matter? i think they've taken sides. i think it's no coincidence that mccarthy spoke with trump this morning and then immediately comes out, the president and the ex-president endorses gosar and
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the president says yeah, i'd put them back in their committees and they talked about other things and i've got to believe that this came up in the conversation, and mccarthy is trying to get back in his good graces even though again, there's another irony which means that donald trump doesn't like mckarthycarthy and if they over the house he'd probably become speaker. >> kevin mccarthy had to make sure that everyone knew that they spoke and he got a few minutes to speak to the former president. gloria, stick around, up next. on capitol hill, democrats saying they had the votes back to build back better bill, what they're calling it and we're expecting a vote any minute now. we'll bring it to you live next. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression.
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there's breaking news out of washington right now after an evening flurry of activity including the release of a summary of that all-important score from the congressional budget office. the house is about to vote on president biden's so-called build back better legislation and because house speaker pelosi doesn't bring anything to the floor without enough support to succeed, the odds are it will pass. for a president far less popular in the polls this couldn't come at a moment too soon. jessica dean is at the capitol and phil mattingly is at the white house and gloria borger joins us. what is the latest where this stands? >> right now, anderson, right over my shoulder, that way they are debating this bill and then
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they'll move into the final vote on the build back better act and just to remind everyone it will leave the house and it will head over to the senate where it is very likely that it will be taken apart and put back together and there are things in the bill like paid family leave and other items that will likely come out when it goes to the senate and it's got to come back to the house and there's still a long road ahead and for tonight, this is a first major step forward and house speaker nancy pelosi doesn't like to put things on the floor and doesn't put things on the floor that she doesn't know will pass and just in the last hour or so after that cbo score that you just mentioned came out, we had heard from the holdouts, and the moderates and there were a handful of them that were waiting to get this score in order to get their support from this bill and we heard from a number of them that said they will be supporting this. at this point, it looks like all things are a go and we are watching to see if there will be defections and pelosi working with a very small margin here, and at this point, anderson, we
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are expecting for a final vote around 9:15 to 9:45. we rd headed that way. >> has the white house been involved in the final negotiation, do we know? >> we have seen some white house advisors going back to the capitol. they have been heavily involved with this and they've been meeting with those moderates trying to make sure that they hammer out these numbers and answer any questions that they might have in order to move forward. >> phil, how concerned is the white house about what comes next in this process in the senate. >> anderson, they're clear-eyed and there are a lot of hurdles left and joe manchin has made it very clear he wants significant changes to what the white house is tonight and isn't with the slimmed down framework president biden makes a good point in what we've seen with white house officials just in the last couple of weeks on the hill and why that has bolstered feeling inside this building and the building behind me over the course of the last several weeks. the effort by the president to some degree, by his economic
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team to lay the groundwork to move this forward in the house. the word that i was told from a source familiar with how things are going is vindication to some degree, making sure that all of their estimates on the economic side of things likely lined up with the congressional budget office today which is what's letting this move or looks like it's going to move in the days ahead. a lot of work has been done behind the scenes with senator manchin and kyrsten sinema and this to some degrees serves as evidence with what the whees officials have been laying out to those centrist senators will line up in the end. so they understand that this isn't going to happen tomorrow in the senate. it will likely take weeks into december, but they feel like to some degree, success begets success. there will be momentum here, without question, and the fact that what they've done on the economic side and what they've done on the projection and estimate side has shown up to be mostly true with the congressional budget office score will only help to lock in the final two votes in the
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senate. >> gloria, how basic deal do you think this is in. >> it's a very big deal. they've convinced the moderates to come onboard. it's a large figure, but the white house estimate and phil, you know more about this than i do, it's that it's not really over 300. it's actually 160 billion and the issue is how much money you get from cracking down on tax cheats. so there's a little bit of discrepancy there, but as my colleagues say, look, this has to go to the senate. there is no margin for error at all in the united states senate and it all depends on these couple of senators and what arm twisting biden can do with them and whether they're going to demand so much being taken out of this bill that when they send it back to the house the liberals will bolt. so it's a, you know, it ain't over until it's over, but obviously, this is the first step that nancy pelosi has been
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really working towards. >> jessica, obviously, with all of the concerns about the rising toll of inflation, that -- i mean, is manchin's position even what it was previously? >> right. so there's a question now if he doubles down. he did talk about when those inflation numbers came out, he had a very strong statement about how democrats need to be paying attention to this and he has said time and time again, the medicare expansion, anderson is a good example. bernie sanders wants to expand it to include dental, vision and hearing. he's arc fraid it will be deple and the question becomes what kind of negotiations can they get through and in terms of manchin versus sanders or manchin versus others, what is he willing to accept? that is the big question right now. one thing to keep in mind. we know that the senate minority leader chuck schumer says he
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wants to get this to the floor by christmas. manchin said maybe i might be all right with that and that is movement in the direction and there is a long road and there is a lot of back and forth as to what gets into the final version in the senate because they need all 50, of course. >> do they need to make concessions in order to get manchin and sinema onboard. >> the president is willing to do whatever it takes at this point in time. there are things in the house version that the president isn't necessarily thrilled about as it pertains to the state and local tax deduction and he understands you have to do it to get 218 votes in the house and therefore, he's onboard. whatever it takes to get 50 in the united states senate the president is willing to agree to and that's a huge component going forward. the reason moderates and progressives called a detente to their war in the house a couple of weeks ago was because progressives was willing to trust this president biden was able to get those two centrist senators onboard. this now moves from a team, fort
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and speaker pelosi and her leadership team and the visit's top advisors to the president's ball game. the president has made clear he believes he can get senator sinema onboard. this is his chance to do just that. white house officials are keen to that, and that moments, as soon as it moves through the house, it's anderson. the democrats' poll numbers are tanking. they know the public didn't like, they have to get something done so they can prove. >> we'll be covering it to cnn. mystery into the disappearance of a chinese tennis star. it is literally the government there does not want you to see. their censors block our signal. the latest coming up.
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china is once again blocking cnn's signal to prevent further reporting on the disappearance of tennis star pengment is hui. every time cnn covers this story china blocks their signal there. there is growing concern for her safety from some of the biggest names in the sports. she hasn't been seen in public in weeks since she accused a former communist leader of coercing her into sex. the allegation was posted on her social media account, deleted within 30 minutes. cnn's will ripley joins us from taipei with more. it's quite telling that just reporting on peng shuai is being censored. what doesn't the government want people to know? >> reporter: yeah, i'm not surprised, anderson. i've been out here in asia covering china for eight years and i've lost count of the number of times that our reporting on cnn has been blocked by chinese censors. it's being blocked right now. i think we have a live picture from beijing. so every time we talk about
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something controversial, whether it be women's rights, chinese censors essential cancel k the me too movement in that country because anytime there's a controversial post like this it's wiped off the internet. they pull any sort of controversial television programs off of streaming services. there was a tv program about gay high school students that was hugely popular in the mainland that was yanked by the government midseason. when you talk about the rights of ethnic minorities. so peng shuai is just the latest example of how nobody, even an iconic worldwide tennis champion who's beloved inside and outside of china, nobody is immune from these chinese censors. this is reality when you have a country that is essentially being run by a bunch of old men. a bunch of old men who believe in traditional chinese values and will cancel using their immense power to cancel things on television, to cancel things on the internet. they will cancel anything that they think doesn't somehow fit into traditional chinese values.
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the question is if traditional chinese values include a man who is now 75 years old, a former vice premier in a position of immense power accused of pressuring a woman who's 35 years old to having sex in his house, forcing her to have sex, and using his power, the government's power to now try to cover that up. the fact that the post was removed within 30 minutes means that inside china unless you have a vpn there's absolutely no way, anderson, that you know about any of this happening. >> and that's the signal there in china that's being -- that was cut. is there any update on where she is? >> reporter: so there was this e-mail that was sent to steve simon with the women's tennis association saying in very, very oddly almost like legal type language oh, everything's fine, everything that i said isn't true, i'm just at home resting, i'm okay, thanks for caring about me. most people don't believe that this e-mail was legitimate. even if peng shuai actually was sitting at a computer typing it
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out, we know that in the case of other people who china detains, sometimes for months on end, they are intimidated, they are coerced into making statements that are misleading or false. i have talked to people personally who have been detained by chinese authorities for months. there's a book seller here in taipei who had to flee hong kong because he was selling books about alleged love affairs of chinese president xi jinping. he was detained by the authorities in china for eight months, forced to make statements that he now says in the freedom of taiwan simply were not true. we have no reason to believe at this point that the same thing is not happening to peng shuai. >> will ripley, appreciate it. thanks. will in taipei. up next justice for a little girl who authorities say was the victim of an international adoption scam. a follow-up to a "360" investigation ahead. fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites
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which is based in ohio, told the adoptive parents mata's father had died and her mother neglected her. after mata had moved in with her adoptive parents jessica and adam davis they began to fear that mata had been trafficked. jessica reached out to our producers, we did some digging. our investigation found that children were being taken from their homes in uganda on the promise of better schooling, placed into orphanages even though they weren't orphans and then sold for as much as $15,000 each to unsuspecting american families. our investigation discovered that multiple families were duped this way. mata thought she'd lost her birth mom forever but as we told you in 2017 her adoptive mom with help of a grassroots organization got her back to uganda and her birth mother. tonight there is justice for mata and other children. the u.s. justice department says debra paris who helped run the so-called adoption agency and handled mata's case and others has pleaded guilty to federal charges in connection with a first of all and bribery scheme involving adopted children from uganda and poland. paris will be sentenced in march.
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as for her two alleged co-conspirators, margaret cole, that's her, the owner of the now closed agency, faces trial in february on charges tied to polish adoptions. and prosecutors say a third defendant, a ugandan attorney who helped in the scheme, remains at large. the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> all right. thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." you know, we have four big legal cases in different parts of the country, and the reactions to them will be the mareasure of where we are as a nation. i've got the qanon shaman's lawyer here. he's going to be with us in just a moment. because his client's prison sentence tells us a lot more than seems to be resonating. however, the big ticket items, the kyle rittenhouse jury, they're going to go into a fourth day of deliberations starting tomorrow morning. they're done for the night. they've already spent a combined 23 hours. what does that mean? it's proof of the complexity of the case. it's proof of the difficulty of deciding the killer's fate. even after he shot and killed two people and injured another in