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most deal with how we get along as citizens or neighbors, or simply as members of our participatory democracy, which we've all been learning isn't so simple anymore. in georgia tonight the defense rested in the trial of three white men charged with murdering a black man, ahmaud arbery. as with the circumstances of his killing, the trial itself complete with defense attorney trying to exclude black pastors from the courtroom has made race a central issue in the matter. policing and vigilante justice and guns all figure highly in the trial of kyle rittenhouse, and the jurors went home after a third day of deliberations and the judge barring an entire cable news outlet from the courtroom and showing the degree to which rittenhouse is barely old enough to vote has been a figure in right-wing politics. florida republican congressman matt gaetz last night all but offered him an internship. meantime, in a case that goes straight to congress' power to conduct oversight and constitutional questions dating back to the founding, lawyers for trump associate steve bannon were in court today making moves
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to slow-walk their client's contempt of congress case through the process, perhaps hoping to run out the clock. and mark meadows who, like bannon, is also defying a subpoena appeared on bannon's podcast, touting the boss as a future house speaker. >> i would love to see the gavel go from nancy pelosi to donald trump. you're talking about melting down. people would go crazy. >> that's minority leader kevin mccarthy right now, stoking fresh doubts whether civility can survive in congress. vowing today if republicans take the house, he will reinstate members paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene, or promote them and retribution against democrats. >> this isn't about threats. it's about holding people accountable. >> so just to keep it all straight, congressman gosar is the death threat anime guy, and marjorie taylor greene is the qanon curious jewish space laser lady. both have helped turn the body they serve as ugly as it's been since the civil war. still one item tonight provides
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a sliver of hope that longer arc, as dr. king said, still bends towards justice. in new york the exoneration of two men wrongly convicted in the 1965 assassination of malcolm x and a remarkable apology from the current manhattan district attorney. >> i apologize for what were serious, unacceptable violations of law and the public trust. i apologize on behalf of our nation's law enforcement for this decades-long injustice which has eroded public faith in institutions that are designed to guarantee equal protection of the law. >> so a lot to talk about tonight, starting with the trial of three men charged in the killing of ahmaud arbery. cnn's martin savidge joins us now from brunswick, georgia. martin? >> the prosecution rested on tuesday after eight days and 23 witnesses. the defense rested after two days and seven witnesses, the primary one being affect the man
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who killed ahmaud arbery, travis mcmichael. travis mcmichael taking the stand in his own defense for a second day in the trial for the killing of ahmaud arbery. the lead prosecutor continued to go after him during cross-examination. >> you also could have stepped around the back of the truck and followed him in the path that way, is that right? >> yes, but then he would have open, unrestricted run around the truck and into my open door into my pickup truck, and get in the truck. >> so you're tell this jury that a man who has spent five minutes running away from you is you're now thinking is somehow going to want to continue to engage with you, someone with a shotgun, and your father, a man who has just said stop or i'll blow your [ bleep ] head off, by trying to get in their truck? >> that's what it shows, yes, ma'am. >> the prosecutor attempted to purchase holes in his testimony. >> detective specifically asked you, do you remember if he
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grabbed the shotgun at all? and your response was i want to say he did, but honestly i cannot remember. i mean, we were -- me and him were face to face the entire time. do you remember saying that? >> yes, and i was trying to think of that exact moment, trying to give him as much detail as possible under the stress and all of this going on. it was obvious that he had the gun from what i was saying in here, he had the weapon the way that i was describing it. he did not have the gun at that second, i don't know why. >> also pressuring him on his self-defense claim. >> and you were right there and you just pulled that trigger immediately. >> no, i was struck, and he was -- we were face to face and being struck, and that's when i shot. he started striking, he was on me. he had a shirt or something to that point and i had a gun and i was too close to drawing him. >> he's striking you. you've got the gun up in this thing and you can't draw down on
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him and it's a struggle and he's on you and you're going back and forth in front of the truck, is that what you're saying? >> yes. >> and the prosecutor calling out his and his father's alleged intent to make a citizen's arrest. >> during your statement to the police did you say that you and your father were trying to arrest mr. arbery, did you? >> no, ma'am. >> meanwhile, outside the courtroom pastors al sharpton, jesse jackson, jamal bryant, martin luther king iii and attorneys ben crump and lee merritt joined the arbery family for a prayer vigil, an event organized by the reverend al sharpton, joining a march afterwards to honor arbery. earlier kevin goff, attorney for william "roddie" bryan making a motion to keep jesse jackson out of the courtroom. the judge once again denied the motion and goff called for a mistrial after objecting to this question from the state. >> do you believe that someone
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stealing is deserving of death penalty? >> relevance, your honor. >> the mistrial request was denied, but the judge admonished the prosecutor and instructed the jury to disregard the question. by the end of the day, the defense rested their case. >> with that understanding, we rest. >> nothing in rebuttal. >> ahmaud arbery's mother sounded hopeful after court ended for the day. i want to remind you that there were 74 days that we went without an arrest. things happen and now we're here and i am very confident that we will get a guilty verdict. very confident. >> martin, what's next in the case? >> well, tomorrow they'll go over the charging documents. it sounds like it's just basic boring stuff, but it's not. that's critical because those are the instructions and that's what the jury is going to be told on the charges and then the jury comes back monday, 9:00 a.m. expecting to hear closing
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arguments. but again, it's not your typical case. three defendants. that means each gets an hour. three hours for the defense and three hours for the prosecution. we expect that the jury will get the case on monday, anderson? >> martin savidge, appreciate it. thank you. joining us is bishop reginald jackson with the episcopal district of the ame church. which covers more than 500 churches in georgia. he is one of many clergy members outside the cower house today. bishop jackson, thanks for being with us. what can you tell us about the prayer vigil that you attended outside the courthouse today. why was it important for you to be there? >> anderson, first, let me say good evening. second, the prayer vigil today was an awesome experience and it was important for us to be there because the black church in particular, the black pastor has always historically been the conscience of the nation and black pastors, we stood with eric gardner's family in new
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york, we stood with tamir rice's family in cleveland and we stood with the family of trayvon martin in florida, we stood with george floyd, and we're standing here now with the arbery family. we encourage, we do all that we can to love and help them know that they're not by themselves, that's what this is about today. >> you've said that you believe the defense's criticism of black pastors being in the courtroom was a legal tactic on their part. why do you believe that and what do you think they were hoping to achieve with it? >> first of all, because the statement made no sense. one day he criticized reverend sharpton for being there and the next day he apologized for those he allegedly offended and there the next day he is back attacking jesse jackson for being there. so there was no consistency. in addition to that, we believe there is an attempt on their part to get a mistrial and hoping that black pastors, i
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guess, would roam into the courtroom and intimidate the jury, and that kind of thing. so we really think this was a legal tactic that we had no intention of walking into. >> benjamin crump, who as you know, is the attorney for ahmaud arbery's father said to cnn that a defendant is looked at as someone as a criminal or a thug, and someone like kyle rittenhouse, with first-degree intentional homicide in wisconsin attracts support and benefit of the doubt. i wonder if you agree with that, how does that disparity ever get fixed in this country? >> well, i do agree with what he said and the fact of the matter is this has been an ongoing process, try to correct that perception, and yet i'm not sure when it's going to end, and i think perhaps it's not something that's coincidental and perhaps something that's intentional. >> i do think it's interesting that whenever it seems like
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there is a black involved who is a victim, there is an attempt to go into their past, to go into the background that finds something that makes them look not as if they're a victim but as if in fact they are the perpetrator. this was done with ahmaud arbery. it's been done with black after black after black. so there is this double standard, but yet we are determined to support and encourage these families. >> are you concerned about the jury makeup in this case? >> oh, it's impossible not to be concerned about the jury makeup when you look at glynn county. 27% of the population at least is black, yet there's only one black on the jury, that raises some troubling concerns and even the judge himself raised an issue in terms of racism playing a part. so i don't think that can be denied, but yet we're going to be hopeful that this jury will pay attention to the facts and
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let the facts guide them in making their determination. >> bishop jackson, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> joining us now is cnn legal analyst paul allen, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, as well. first of all, the make of the jury. the defense was able to get a number of potential black jurors stricken from consideration. >> well, you know, everybody was shocked by this and they should be because we like juries to be representative of the community and frankly, if you have almost 30% african americans in the community, you'd like to see them fairly represented. instead you only have one african-american on this jury. the judge, though, said that he had questioned the defense attorneys who exercised the challenges knocking the black individuals off about the reasons for those challenges and that when he questioned the attorneys they expressed legitimate reasons for asking them to be excused, such as they knew too much about the case or they had formed an opinion about the case.
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or they had an association to somebody who might be a witness to the case, that sort of thing. >> travis mcmichael, this is yet another case in which we've seen one of the defendants actually take the stand, which is rare in general. what did you think of his performance on the stand? >> i thought that the prosecutor chopped his head off at the end of the day. frankly. she was criticized a little bit yesterday because she had been very friendly with him in the beginning of the cross-examination. but i thought she did a marvelous job of tying him into facts that would indicate he wasn't acting in self-defense and showing that he probably lied on the witness stand today because he contradicted prior statements that he had made under oath. >> he also -- i mean she walked through the actual circumstances and there was no thought of -- there were other options this man had, calling police, for instance, if he thought that mr. arbery was actually -- you know,
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had done something wrong. >> oh, absolutely. his story was that there had been a lot of burglaries in the neighborhood and that arbery was a suspect because he had seen him leave the house in question on one occasion, but one, as you say, he didn't call the police and he claimed he thought his father had called the police and in fact, the police were only called after the confrontation really was under way. and then arbery was really stalked, eventually by three people. he was cornered and then the prosecutor did a very good job in developing what happened just prior to the shots. arbery was approaching from the rear of the truck, and the defendant mcmichaels had tried to create the illusion that arbery was coming directly at him and he had no choice, but to paul gun, because he thought he was going to be jumped. well, in fact, arbery came around the vehicle on the passenger side, and mr.
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mcmichael had ample opportunity to go elsewhere if he thought he was threatened. in fact, he moved to the front of the vehicle, shotgun in hand and when arbery came around, he was now confronting a man with a shotgun aimed at him. you can imagine the terror arbery must have felt. arbery probably felt there were two or three individuals probably armed, hunting him in this neighborhood. he had absolutely terrified. >> it is sickening when the videotape itself is just stunning. the idea that someone would not call police and jump in a vehicle with shotguns and think that's a good idea. >> well, let's hunt him down. and then they try to say the defense is based on this 1863 post-civil war law that was used to help round up slaves, frankly, by saying citizens can effect arrests. he never tells arbery he's under arrest. he never even tells police when they first arrive at the scene that this was a citizen's arrest
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situation. this whole story has materialized as a defense at this trial. and i think the prosecutor very clearly established that it's an implausible defense. >> there's the arbery trial and the rittenhouse trial, the verdict is still out on that, and cy vance in new york apologizing to two menning being released after the assassination of malcolm x. this confluence of events. >> it's amazing. maybe i has something to do with the pandemic because the cases are all coming out now and we're starting to get back boo the courtrooms to try case, but these are all very important for the country because, you know, they stand for things that are really important. you were mentioning the thing about trying to get the black pastors out of the courtroom as if in an american courtroom, any american citizen doesn't have the right to walk into that courtroom. >> and the allegation of the defense attorney says they're
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attempting to influence the one black juror on the jury. >> right. and that's just a complete joke. i mean, it's a central we have principle that citizens can attend trials. we have an open trial system in this country. >> a closer look to the degree of kyle rittenhouse has become a folk hero for some on the right of the political spectrum. and later there is new threats of retribution from kev if republicans take the house. how the party of lincoln and cheney has become the party of gosar, greene an political vengeance. just the soothing vicks' vapor for the whole family. introducing new vicks vapostick. i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... ...me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there for her.
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more breaking news. day three of jury deliberations ended the day in the kyle rittenhouse trial, and no shortage of headlines, including more from the judge. our sara sidner joins us from kenosha. what's the latest? >> the latest is the jury has gone through its third full day of deliberations and still no verdict. however, one of the jurors did ask the judge if she could take
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the jury instructions home. there are 36 pages of instructions. the judge agreed so the jurors can do that as long as they do not discuss the case with anyone or deliberate on their own. there was also an admonishment from the judge to one of the national networks that was here, a freelancer for msnbc. police said was trailing the jury van where the jury was and basically was trying to follow them. the police said they found that he ran a red light. they gave him a citation and they detained him for some time and basically said he was trying to, you know, somehow get in contact with the jury or take pictures. the judge admonishing msnbc, saying they are no longer allowed in the courtroom, banned from the courtroom. msnbc came out saying look, it was our freelancer, but he was not trying to take pictures or gather information from the jurors. at the time the judge is saying
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look, they're not allowed in the courtroom if they're trying to go after the jury in any way. that's where we are in the case and we are waiting for the jury to deliberate tomorrow and maybe or maybe not, we will have a verdict. >> i know the city continues to prepare for possible verdict. the school district gave an update today. what did they say? >> yeah, several schools, five schools in fact have gone to virtual learning throughout the rest of this week, and two have decided they're going to do it on monday as well. one of which i am looking across here from the court. it is very close, and i should also mention that police did detain someone for having a weapon right outside of court because it's within a thousand feet of a school, and there have been a few people out here carrying weapon, everything from ar-style rifles to pistols. the police being very stern with folks, saying either put those back in your car or you will be arrested. anderson? >> sara sidner, i appreciate it. as we were discussing tonight, none of this is happening in a vacuum. kyle rittenhouse at age 18 facing hop side charges has been
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a folk hero on the right. last night on some right wing media, matt gaetz all but offered him a job. >> kyle rittenhouse would probably make a pretty good congressional intern and we may reach out to him and see if he'd be interested in helping the country in additional ways. >> congressman gaetz isn't the only one embracing rittenhouse. cnn's sunlen serfaty has more. >> he's trying to make sure his town is safe. >> reporter: he has become a cause celebre for the right. >> how shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles had to maintain order when no one else would? >> reporter: and has found a faithful following. >> you've got a little boy out there trying to protect his community. >> this kid who was a, you know, a fire cadet, a lifeguard and a police explorer. >> reporter: knighted by many conservatives as an all-american hero. hero. >> this is what happens in our society when police are told to stand down, when no one is there to protect businesses.
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>> reporter: days after the shooting in 2020, it was then president trump who refused to condemn rittenhouse. >> he was trying to get away from them, i guess, it looks like, and he fell. and then they very violently attacked him. he probably would have been killed. >> reporter: and liked a tweet supporting him. and it was rittenhouse's supporters who dollar by dollar collectively paid his $2 million bail. and sold t-shirts with his image emblazoned with "here." during his release, he received a hero's welcome and a bar from the far right group the proud boys, according to prosecutors. his defense team said there is no information rittenhouse knew who they were. rittenhouse posed in a photo saying free ff, what has been cooperated as the white supremacist okay sign. even some well-known conservatives standing by anymore court. conservative dar leek lean's mark mccloskey and his wife best
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known for this moment, supported rittenhouse in person at the courthouse this month. all the while a group printing. but using him as a rallying cry. >> it's not kyle rittenhouse they're after. their end game is to strip away the constitutional right of all citizens. >> still ahead tonight, one day after he was censured house minority leader kevin mccarthy promises to reward congressman paul gosar if republicans win back the house. you'll hear his pledge and reaction from the congresswoman gosar showed himself killing in that now infamous video, next.
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- san francisco can have criminal justice reform and public safety. but district attorney chesa boudin is failing on both. - the safety of san francisco is dependent upon chesa being recalled as soon as possible. - i didn't support the newsom recall but this is different. - chesa takes a very radical perspective and approach to criminal justice reform, which is having a negative impact on communities of color. - i never in a million years thought that my son, let alone any six-year-old, would be gunned down in the streets of san francisco and not get any justice. - chesa's failure has resulted in increase in crime against asian americans. - the da's office is in complete turmoil at this point. - for chesa boudin to intervene in so many cases is both bad management and dangerous for the city of san francisco.
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- we are for criminal justice reform. chesa's not it. recall chesa boudin now. house minority leader kevin mccarthy said today he'd reinstate paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene on committees, potentially even better ones, if republicans win back the house after next year's midterms. >> they'll have committees. the committee assignment they have now they may have with other committee assignments. they may have better committee assignments. i think with gosar those are the ones he wants. taylor greene, she was just a freshman. i know she requested others. she has the right to serve on committees. >> just yesterday congressman gosar was censured and removed from two committees after he posted on social media that photo shopped anime showing
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himself killing alexandria ocasio-cortez and swinging a sword at joe biden. >> here's what alexandra ocasio cortez had to say about mccarthy's statement to reverse that punishment. >> i would love leader mccarthy to shout that from the rooftops. please let him communicate to the entire country that he is deeply supportive of people who are violent towards women and that he is deeply supportive of members and deeply accepting of members who fund raise for neo-nazi organizations and placing them on important -- on important committees. >> also tonight in the category of least surprising, ever the former president endorsed congressman gosar making no mention of the controversy calling him, quote, a loyal supporter of our america first agenda. joining us now to try to make sense of it all, good luck with that, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and senior political analyst kirsten
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powers, author of the lovely new book "saving grace," which i recommend. i enjoyed it. gloria, they may kick some democrats off their house committee seats. you know, it's retribution. it's -- the whole thing is just this is where we're at. it's really just depressing. >> yeah. and it's, you know, it's also about donald trump because donald trump is all about vengeance. so mccarthy is all about vengeance. i have to tell you, anderson, what really struck me after listening to mccarthy yesterday and then hearing him today is that yesterday he took to the floor of the house, and he said what the democrats were doing was an abuse of power, and then today he promised that if he were to become speaker he would do exactly the same thing. so he's effectively saying well, okay, an eye for an eye, but i accuse them of abusing power, but when i do it it won't be abusing power.
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it's hard to understand. >> kirsten, what does it say about the party that republicans like gosar and greene have become elevated and yet liz cheney and 13 who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, some of whom are now getting death threats, are shunned and practically ex-communicated? >> well, it shows you where the seat of power is in this party, and i think that you hear kevin mccarthy saying these things because he is afraid, particularly of marjorie taylor greene, who has made noises about leading a revolt against him. so he is saying this to try to appease her and keep her off of his back, and then thrill the base with owning the libs, which is kind of the -- basically the mantra of conservatives today, their sort of guiding light. so i think that -- the thing about this is that obviously, what, you know, what they're doing to aoc is obviously unacceptable.
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this is a hostile working environment and this is the house of u.s. representatives. the question is does this really matter when you look at what voters are focusing on. aoc saying i hope you shout this from the rooftops. the democrats are losing on the generic ballot and there has been a swing. >>. >> we just lost her mike. kirsten, i'm sorry. gloria, kevin mccarthy said he spoke to the former president earlier this morning and you combine that with the endorsement of gosar and mccarthy wants everyone to think he is in lockstep with the former president, but other republicans are putting up with it publicly. what are they saying privately? >> i talked with one who, a moderate republican, somebody who voted for the infrastructure bill, somebody who is in a very marginal district for
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republicans, and he feels -- i guess the word i would use is alienated. he's unhappy that now he's going to be targeted and i think the question is don't they want him to win his seat back? does that matter? i think they've taken sides. i think it's no coincidence that mccarthy spoke with trump this morning and then immediately comes out, the president and the ex-president endorses gosar and then mccarthy comes back and says yeah, i'd put them back on their committees. mccarthy said they just talked about other things, but i've got to believe this came up in the conversation. and mccarthy is trying to get back in his good graces, even though, again, there is another irony which is that donald trump doesn't like mccarthy. and if they take over the house, he'll probably support somebody else to become speaker. >> it's so pathetic that they spoke, but kevin mccarthy had to make sure that everybody knew that they spoke, that he got a few minutes to actually speak to the former president. gloria, stick around, up next. on capitol hill, democrats
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there's breaking news out of washington right now after an evening flurry of activity including the release of a summary of that all-important score from the congressional budget office. the house is about to vote on president biden's so-called build back better legislation and because house speaker pelosi doesn't bring anything to the floor without enough support to succeed, the odds are it will pass. for a president far less popular in the polls and some of the items in the bill, this couldn't come at a moment too soon. jessica dean is at the capitol and phil mattingly is at the white house, and our chief political analyst gloria borger joins us as well. where is the latest where this stands? >> right now, anderson, right over my shoulder, that way they are debating this bill and then they'll move into the final vote on the build back better act and just to remind everyone it will leave the house and it will head over to the senate where it is very likely that it will be taken apart and put back together. there are things in the house version of this bill like paid family leave and other items that are likely going to come out when it goes to the senate. then it's got to come back to the house. so there is still a long road
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ahead. but for tonight, this is the first major step forward. and as you mentioned, house speaker nancy pelosi does not like to put things on the floor and really doesn't put things on the floor that she doesn't know will pass. and just in the last hour or so after that cbo score you mentioned came out we have heard some of the holdouts from before from some of the moderates. there were a handful of them that were waiting to get this score in order to get their support from this bill and we heard from a number of them that said they will be supporting this. at this point, it looks like all things are a go and we are watching to see if there will be defections, and if so, how many. pelosi working with a very small margin here. and at this point, anderson, we are expecting for a final vote around 9:15 to 9:45. we are headed that way. >> has the white house been involved in the final flexes tonight, do we know? >> we have seen some white house advisers coming in from the capitol, going back to the white house. they have been heavily involved with this and they've been meeting with those moderates trying to make sure that they hammer out these numbers and answer any questions that they might have in order to move
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forward. >> phil, how concerned is the white house about what comes next in this process in the senate. >> anderson, they're clear-eyed and there are a lot of hurdles left, and one of them in particular, joe manchin has made it very clear he wants significant changes to what the white house is tonight. and isn't with the slimmed down framework president biden makes a good point in what we've seen with white house officials just in the last couple of weeks on the hill and why that has bolstered feeling inside this building and the building behind me over the course of the last several weeks. the effort by the president to some degree, by his economic team to really lay the groundwork to move this forward in the house, the word i was told from a source with how things are going inside the building is vindication to some degree, making sure that all of their estimates on the economic side of things largely lined up with what we saw from the congressional budget office today, which is what letting this move or looks like it's going to move in the days ahead.
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a lot of work has been done behind the scenes i've been told with senator manchin, with senator sinema. this to some degrees serves as evidence with what the white house officials have been laying out to those centrist senators will line up in the end. so they understand that this isn't going to happen tomorrow in the senate. it will likely take weeks into december, but they feel like to some degree, success begets success. there will be momentum here, without question, and the fact that what they've done on the economic side and what they've done on the projection and estimate side has shown up to be mostly true with the congressional budget office score will only serve to help them as they lock in those final two votes in the senate. >> gloria, how basic deal do you think this is? >> it's a very big deal. they've convinced the moderates to come onboard. because the deficit doesn't look that terrible. i mean, it's a large figure, but the white house estimate, and phil, you know more about this than i do, is that it's not really over 300. it's actually 160 billion and the issue is how much money you
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get from cracking down on tax cheats. so there's a little bit of discrepancy there, but as my colleagues say, look, this has to go to the senate. there is no margin for error at all in the united states senate and it all depends on these couple of senators and what arm twisting biden can do with them and whether they're going to demand so much being taken out of this bill that when they send it back to the house the liberals will bolt. so it's a, you know, it ain't over until it's over, but obviously, this is the first step that nancy pelosi has been really working towards. >> jessica, obviously, with all of the concerns about the rising toll of inflation, that -- i mean, is manchin's position even what it was previously? >> right. so there's a question now if he doubles down. he did talk about when those inflation numbers came out, he had a very strong statement about how democrats need to be
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paying attention to this and he has said time and time again, the medicare expansion, anderson is a good example. bernie sanders wants to expand it to include dental, vision and hearing. and manchin's very concerned about shoring that up. he's afraid it will be depleted and doesn't want the add to it. he is very concerned about these inflation numbers. so the question kind of becomes what kind of negotiations can they get through. and in terms of manchin versus sanders or manchin versus others, what is he willing to accept. that is the big question right now. one thing to keep in mind. we know that the senate minority leader chuck schumer says he wants to get this to the floor by christmas. manchin has now kind of said okay, maybe i might be all right with that. so that is a little bit of movement in that direction, but it is a long road and there is going to be a lot of back and forth over exactly what gets in this final version in the senate, because they need all 50 of course. >> phil, is the president prepared to make concessions in order to get manchin and sinema
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on board? >> my sense from talking to officials is the president is willing to do whatever it takes at this point in time. there are things in the house version that the president isn't necessarily thrilled about as it pertains to the state and local tax deduction and he understands this is how you are going to get it through. you have to do it to get 218 votes in the house and therefore, he's onboard. whatever it takes to get 50 in the united states senate the president is willing to agree to and that's a huge component going forward. the reason moderates and progressives called a detente to their war in the house a couple of weeks ago was because progressives was willing to trust that president biden would be able to get those two outstanding centrist senators on board. this now moves from a team, fort and speaker pelosi and her leadership team and the visit's top advisors to the president's ball game. the president has made clear he believes he can get senator joe manchin on board. that he believes he can get senator sinema on board. this is now his chance to do just that. he has to deliver. i think white house officials are keenly aware of that. the president has made to lawmakers. he is aware of that as well.
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that moment, as soon as this moves through the house, is essentially the president's. >> and anderson, can i add, the president's poll numbers are tanking. the democrats' poll numbers are tanking. they know the public didn't like seeing them fight all the time. they have to get something done so they can prove they're governor majority. >> thank you so much. we'll be covering it through the evening on cnn. mystery into the disappearance of a chinese tennis star. it is literally the government there does not want you to see. whenever we tell it, government censors there block our signal. the latest coming up. mes) ♪ ♪ ♪ i jump up on the stage ♪ ♪ and do my money dance ♪ ♪ i throw some money up ♪ ♪ and watch the money land ♪ ♪ i do my, i do my i do my money dance ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi - you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $500 bonus when you refi... and get your money right.
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china is once again blocking cnn's signal to prevent further reporting on the disappearance of tennis star peng shuai. every time cnn covers this story s china blocks cnn's signal there. there is growing concern for her safety from some of the biggest names in the sports. she hasn't been seen in public in weeks since she accused a former communist leader of coercing her into sex. that was at his home three years ago. the allegation was posted on her social media account, deleted
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within 30 minutes. cnn's will ripley joins us from taipei with more. it's quite telling that just reporting on peng shuai is being censored. what doesn't the government want people to know? >> reporter: yeah, i'm not surprised, anderson. i've been out here in asia covering china for eight years and i've lost count of the number of times that our reporting on cnn has been blocked by chinese censors. it's being blocked right now. i think we have a live picture from beijing. so every time we talk about something controversial, whether it be women's rights, chinese sensors essentially canceling the metoo movement in that country because any time there's a controversial post like this, it's wiped off the internet. they pull any sort of controversial television programs off of streaming services. there was a tv program about gay high school students that was hugely popular in the mainland that was yanked by the government midseason. when you talk about the rights of ethnic minorities. so peng shuai is just the latest example of how nobody, even an iconic worldwide tennis champion who's beloved inside and outside of china, nobody is immune from
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these chinese censors. this is reality when you have a country that is essentially being run by a bunch of old men. a bunch of old men who believe in traditional chinese values and will cancel using their immense power to cancel things on television, to cancel things on the internet. they will cancel anything that they think doesn't somehow fit into traditional chinese values. the question is if traditional chinese values include a man who is now 75 years old, a former vice premier in a position of immense power accused of pressuring a woman who's 35 years old to having sex in his house, forcing her to have sex, and using his power, the government's power to now try to cover that up. the fact that the post was removed within 30 minutes means that inside china unless you have a vpn there's absolutely no way, anderson, that you know about any of this happening. >> and that's the signal there in china that's being -- that was cut. is there any update on where she is?
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>> reporter: so there was this e-mail that was sent to steve simon with the women's tennis association saying in very, very oddly almost like legal type language oh, everything's fine, everything that i said isn't true, i'm just at home resting, i'm okay, thanks for caring about me. most people don't believe that this e-mail was legitimate. even if peng shuai actually was sitting at a computer typing it out, we know that in the case of other people who china detains, sometimes for months on end, they are intimidated, they are coerced into making statements that are misleading or false. i have talked to people personally who have been detained by chinese authorities for months. there's a book seller here in taipei who had to flee hong kong because he was selling books about alleged love affairs of chinese president xi jinping. he was detained by the authorities in china for eight months, forced to make statements that he now says in the freedom of taiwan simply were not true. we have no reason to believe at this point that the same thing is not happening to peng shuai. >> will ripley, appreciate it. thanks. will in taipei. up next justice for a little girl who authorities say was the victim of an international
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an update now on an exclusive investigation we brought you back in 2017. that's when we told you about then 7-year-old mata from uganda who was adopted by a family in ohio. the agency they used called european adoption consultants, which is based in ohio, told the adoptive parents mata's father had died and her mother neglected her. after mata had moved in with her adoptive parents jessica and adam davis they began to fear that mata had been trafficked. jessica reached out to our producers, we did some digging. our investigation found that children were being taken from their homes in uganda on the promise of better schooling, placed into orphanages even though they weren't orphans and then sold for as much as $15,000 each to unsuspecting american families. our investigation discovered that multiple families were duped this way. mata thought she'd lost her birth mom forever but as we told you in 2017 her adoptive mom with help of a grassroots organization got her back to uganda and her birth mother.
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tonight there is justice for mata and other children. the u.s. justice department says debra paris who helped run the so-called adoption agency and handled mata's case and others has pleaded guilty to federal charges in connection with a first of all and bribery scheme involving adopted children from uganda and poland. paris will be sentenced in march. as for her two alleged co-conspirators, margaret cole, that's her, the owner of the now closed agency, faces trial in february on charges tied to polish adoptions. and prosecutors say a third defendant, a ugandan attorney who helped in the scheme, remains at large. the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> all right. thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." you know, we have four big legal cases in different parts of the country, and the reactions to them will be the measure of where we are as a nation. i've got the qanon shaman's lawyer here. he's going to be with us in just a moment. because his client's prison sentence tells us a lot more than seems to be resonating. however, the big ticket it