um, information about leanings in this direction is probably the most important thing that school officials, that deputies on-site like you had at this high school can possibly do. so that's -- that is eat direction they are looking i'm sure. >> andrew mccabe, thank you very much. and to our viewers, thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next. the biden administration rushing to stay one step ahead of the new omicron variant. now, considering stricter testing for anyone traveling to the united states. this as we are learning new details about some of the very first patients. plus, cnn learning moderate republicans are growing concerned the disgusting antics of the hard right fakds of their party could threaten the gop's efforts to win back the majority next year. donald trump's former chief of staff now cooperating with the committee investigating the deadly insurrection so what does he know? let's go outfront.

and good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news. top government officials are currently considering requiring everyone who enters the united states to be tested for covid. the day before their flight. this comes as the cdc quickly ramps up efforts to ward off a possible threat from the new coronavirus variant. right now, the biden administration is working with pfizer, moderna, and j&j, to develop contingency plans for a potential booster. the cdc, also, enhancing screening for the variant at four of america's busiest international airports, newark, jfk, san francisco, and atlanta, specifically, are on that list. the u.s. is, nonetheless, prepared to combat it. >> to be crystal clear, we have far more tools to fight the variant today than we had at this time last year. >> vaccines remain our most important tool in our fight against the virus. >> we are hoping and i think with good reason to feel good

that there will be some degree of protection. >> now, of course, who knows what some, right? is it 10%? 80%? that's the great unknown. the hope right now, though, that -- that -- that it does lead to real protection is leading to longer lines at vaccination sites. you are looking here at the scene in boston, where officials at one clinic say they saw a threefold increase in the number of people wanting a booster today. this comes as we are learning new details about some of the very first patients. an israeli hospital reporting two doctors there tested positive for the new strain, despite each of them having received all three doses of the pfizer vaccine. the doctors are said to be experiencing only mild symptoms and they are in their 50s, for one. and 70s for the other. so there is a lot don't know tonight and a lot we do. first, i want to go to phil mattingly. he is outfront live outside the white house tonight. so, phil, um, you know, this -- this -- this sort of headline swept around the world. it swept through financial

markets. it has you know completely upended a lot of assumptions. what is the administration saying behind the scenes about all this? >> you know, erin, i think this is definitely an anxious wait-and-see moment. administration officials making very clear flout the last several days, there is just so much they don't know in this moment about what this new variant may bring to the united states. the one thing they seem certain of is that if it's not already in the u.s., it will be shortly. however, what you are hearing is behind the scenes, urgent deliberations over the course of the last several days. while they might be hoping for the best, there is certainly preparation ongoing preparing for the worst in the near term. just noted the u.s. is considering shortening the timeline -- testing timeline for all travelers, including vaccinated, coming into the united states from three days for vaccinate today one day. also, considering testing after arrival in the u.s., as well. expanding surveillance capabilities at the four busiest international airports in the u.s. obviously, we have already seen the travel restrictions on seven south african countries and south africa. what you are seeing on the near

term is a push from the administration on vaccinations, on boosters, as well as these travel restrictions or new travel requirements. while, at the same time, preparing for a more long-term solution and that is contingency planning with vaccine makers, in case there is a need for updates. making sure that there's constant communication. making sure the process, if it has to kick into gear, can kick into gear quickly. and that the u.s. can ramp up a mass vaccination process. something, obviously, this administration already has plenty of experience in doing at this point in time. i think the one thing you hear from administration officials, at least over the course of the last several days, is they don't want to be caught flatfooted. they obviously have to lot to learn about what is coming with this new variant but they want to ensure whatever is coming, they are fully prepared to engage it when it arrives. >> thank you very much, phil. and i want to go now to the u.s. surgeon general, as i promised, dr. vivek murthy. and, doctor, i appreciate your time tonight. so, um, as i said, there's so much we don't know. and, you know, sort of over the long weekend, all the sudden, this sweeps around the world,

right? causes great disarray in financial markets and everything on friday. right? you saw it sort of hit the wires as if no one knew anything about it. have you learned anything new about omicron in the past day that makes you more or less concerned about it? >> well, erin, first, i just want to say to -- to many of the people who are hearing the news about omicron over the last few days, i recognize that this must sound scary, must be frustrating to people who, you know, are tired at this point after 22 months of being in this pandemic. but i want to caution people against is overinterpreting or relying too much on isolated, initial bits of information that come out. we know there are three critical questions, erin, we have to answer. we have to understand how much -- how transmissible is this virus? we have to understand is it more severe than other versions of covid-19? and we have to, also, understand how effective our vaccines and therapeutics are against this -- against this virus.

and to understand the answer to that question means that we have to get multiple data sources to sort of give their data. we have to analyze that carefully. it's not going to be from a single source. so i just want to, you know, caution people it will take a couple weeks at least to get reliable information that will guide us. but the good news, erin, is that we are not powerless in that time in between now and when we have a clear answer. it's very likely that our vaccines will still have some efficacy and protecting against -- against the virus. particularly, against severe disease and hospitalization and death and that's why we hear everybody urging people out there to get vaccinated if you are not. if you are vaccinated, get boosted. we know that that is your surest pathway right now to protecting yourself against the new variant. >> all right. so um, you need -- you need a couple of weeks but let me just ask a couple points here because as you point out, you are only going to know with data and israel says it's observed six cases. tonight, israeli health minister came out and spoke and said there are quote indications those who are fully vaccinated

or have had a booster within six months are protected against the omicron variant. now, i just want to point out the plural of anecdote is not scientific data. six cases, that is not data but have you seen any data to back his view? >> well, we've seen a number of reports of small sort of numbers, if you will, indicating, you know, various things both about the severity and the effectiveness of the vaccine but they are too small at this point and too anecdotal to be reliable andin aggregate evidence we can look at and say, ah-ha, this tells us how effective our vaccines are. it's really important for us to be cautious here because, you know, the wrong message can be misleading to people. >> absolutely. >> may falsely alarm them. but again, we want to use what we know now and there is a big difference, erin, between now and a year ago. we have got more tools, not just of vaccines but knowledge about the fact that masking, using

testing strategically, that distancing, hand hygiene, these are all effective ways to help reduce the spread of all the variants we have encountered. >> so just as a quick follow to that. you know, saying if you are coming into the united states, that you have to be tested within one day as opposed to three. i -- i get it, right? that's less of a chance to be infected. but scientifically, is that -- does that really make a difference? i mean, in terms of these restrictions, do you see them as scientific restrictions? or more just like, well, let's give it a shot? >> yeah, it's a good question, erin. you know, and this actually goes back to why the president decided to put travel restrictions in, in the first place. travel restrictions, we know, will not permanently keep out a variant. these variants reach owl parts of the world, you know, in due time. but it can buy us a little time to do the following. number one, vaccinate more people. number two, learn more about the variant. but number three, work on strengthening even further travel-safety measures, incl including testing. so the cdc is considering a number of measures.

right now, it hasn't fully decided on what it is implementing but i do believe some of the measures it's considering will have a substantial impact on our ability to detect virus before it arrives here. >> okay. well i think that's important. you are signaling they are looking at more things that would affect people coming into the united states. obviously, you are not going to tell me what they are but i think it's important for people to understand there is more on the table right now. but you keep talking about getting boosted and yesterday, the cdc changed its language to saying everybody should. right? it was only recommended for people over 50 and now it's everybody 18 and over should get boosted. you know, and i ask you this question, the context of my understanding is less than 21% of fully-vaccinated americans are boosted and fewer than 60% of americans are even fully vaccinated, right? so it's 21% of 60%, right? you are getting a small squr smaller number of people who actually have the triple protection that you are saying is so necessary. um, did officials wait too long? are you frustrated they waited too long? because now, it's like the long

lines, you can't even get the booster. it's hard. >> yeah, erin. so these are really important questions you are raising. look. we have been saying now for months that boosters would be helpful to extend the protection of the vaccines. the cdc actually several weeks ago, along with the fda, made it possible -- they -- for people 18 and up to get boosted. you know, for some populations 50 and up, they said they should. for people 18 to 50, they said that they may. so they were eligible even though the recommendation was stronger for the elderly and we have seen now 40 million people get boosted, which is good. but we have got a ways to go. my hope is that this news and -- and certainly the concerns i know people have about omicron will just reemphasize getting boosted, getting the maximum protection now is more important than ever. and it's not just because of omicron. we should remember, there is a lot of delta still circulating in the united states.

we ever we have seen cases rise with winter weather as people go indoors and we know the virus is easily transmitted in cold, dry air. so bottom line is if you want to maximize your protection against all the variants, getting boosted is the way to go. we just need to this continue. >> right. and hope that the lines aren't long and make it easy for people. dr. murthy, thank you so much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> of course. thanks so much, erin. take care. >> you, too. and next, the breaking news. a school shooting in michigan. three students killed today at school. eight others injured. officials just holding a press conference, what we are learning about the victims and the alleged teenage gunman tonight. plus, peng shuai missing from public life yet the international olympic committee says they are not concerned about her safety. why? well, one of the longest-serving members of the ioc is going to take my questions tonight. and a woman who accused jeffrey epstein of sexual abuse testifying in the trial of his longtime associate. details on her emotional and disturbing words. spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance

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nightmare. >> reporter: michigan's governor choking back tears. seven other students and a teacher all shot after a sophomore at oxford high school opened fire, according to authorities. >> it is daefb stating. >> reporter: the shooting suspect, a 15-year-old boy. firing off 15 to 20 shots over five minutes, officials said, while armed with a semiautomatic handgun. almost 25 agencies and 60 ambulances raced to the scene. more than 100 calls pouring into 9-1-1 in the middle of the school day. >> there was an orderly evacuation. the school did everything right. everybody remained in place. they barricaded themselves. >> reporter: officials say the suspect was taken into custody without incident. arrested with the help of a deputy assigned to the school. but the suspect, whose parents have hired a lawyer for him, isn't talking to police now. >> you have got to know that whole community has to be just in a state of shock right now. >> reporter: president joe biden addressing the latest-school shooting during a speech in

minnesota. >> as we learn the full details, my heart goes out to the families enduring the unimaginable grief of losing a loved one. >> reporter: investigators believe the suspect acted alone. they haven't identified a motive. >> we are hearing all kinds of rumors about warning signs. we are not aware of any warnings. >> reporter: and erin, officials say they are aware of how the suspect was able to get the gun into the school. but they aren't look elaborating, aren't giving details of that. we do know a search warrant is being executed on the family home. as for the suspect himself, we are learning he was in school this morning. he was even in his classes before the shooting started. >> wow. alex, thank you. and i want to bring in peter -- he is our law enforcement analyst. also, former supervisory special agent for the fbi. so, peter, unbelievable just that -- i don't know -- thinking what alex just said, right? goes to class. starts the day normally. and then, this happens.

i mean, the big question now is why? what -- what could possibly be the motive? alleged shooter is alive in custody, right? that is not often the case. alive and in custody. is a minor. only 15 years old. so then, what happens next? >> right. erin, the big question is why? why did he do this? a 15-year-old in a high school. three individuals, dead. at least eight wounded right now. some in surgery. so that's going to be the investigation. law enforcement, local law enforcement in oxford, the sheriff's office with the assistance of the federal government, will dig deep with regard to that search warrant. with regard to any media or devices he has. his laptop/computer, his -- his ipad, his microsoft surface pro, his cell phone or cell phones. they will dig deep into that social media, his e-mails, his texts to find out if he did communicate with anyone about this. police already said there were no warning signs. we have to believe them on that. but usually, there is something that leads townshup to this.

there is a reason behind it. bullying. something -- something that the individual saw on the internet or watched that prompt -- prompted them or prompts them to conduct these types of acts. >> so what we do know right now is according to authorities, that he had a semiautomatic handgun. he seemed to know how to use it. he fired off 15 to 20 shots according to law enforce. he hit 11 people. he did not fight back when they took him into custody, right? any -- as far as we understand, did not try to hurt himself. what does that suggest to you? >> correct. he surrendered peacefully. again, why? why did he do this? why did he surrender peacefully? maybe he didn't want to die. maybe he realized what he did was finally wrong. who knows? and right now, he is not talking to law enforcement in the state of michigan, as well as many other jurisdictions throughout this country, law enforcement are not allowed to interview minors without consent of the parent. and we are assuming that's what's going on now. so until their parent -- until his parents give consent for custodial interview, therefore, he will not talk and we will not know the facts of this matter

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tonight, democratic congresswoman ilhan omar revealing she is receiving death threats after republican congresswoman lauren boebert suggested she could be a terrorist. omar growing emotional as she shared this voicemail. >> i would love the opportunity to take you off the face of the [ bleep ] earth. you muslim piece of [ bleep ] jihadist. we know what you are. you're a [ bleep ] traitor. you will not live much longer [ bleep ]. i can almost guarantee you that. we, the preemeople, are rising >> cnn is learning there is growing concern among house republicans about how all this is being handled by minority leader kevin mccarthy, who has

failed to publicly condemn boebert's remarks. manu raju is out front live from capitol hill. manu, this has become a great schism within that party. what are you hearing? >> a number of republicans are frankly concerned that the tension that is caused by a lot of these conservative members of the house republican conference could undermine their efforts to take back the house next year. the feuding, the interparty feuding amounting to a major distraction as they are trying to focus on the biden agenda, and take advantage of the real advantages that they hold to take back the majority come the 2022 midterms. now, after boebert's comments about omar, she was condemned by nancy mace, who is a conservative freshman republican. comes from a swing district in south carolina. after criticized boebert, today marjorie taylor greene, the conservative from -- far-right conservative from georgia came out and called mace, quote, trash. that led to a series of back and forth all day on twitter and just this evening, behind closed doors, kevin mccarthy summoned each of them for private

meetings. discussing with them and telling them this message. he wanted them to quote stop it. that message, erin, did not take hold. greene emerged from mccarthy's meeting and told our colleague melanie zanona that she would support a primary challenge against nancy mace. and she also said donald trump would support a primary challenge against nancy mace and when asked by reporters just moments ago about that, mace had a colorful response saying about -- about greene, she said all i can say about marjorie taylor greene is bless her effing heart. that was exact on the record from congresswoman nancy mace. so, all this playing out at a critical time for the gop as they are trying to focus on the agenda. trying to focus on their message. keeping the party in line and the man in the middle, kevin mccarthy, having a hard time doing just that. >> i guess he is -- you know, realizing that some creatures will bite you, no matter what you do. thank you very much, manu. and out front now, former republican congressman frances rooney, and gloria borger, our chief political analyst. so, congressman, let me start

with you. you know, you heard manu talking about moderate republicans getting really worried about this. that mccarthy is currently failing and if he does not reign in all of this going on on the far right, boebert, marjorie taylor greene, that republicans could lose the house next year. do you agree? >> i don't know if they'll lose the house next year or not because the math's kind of stacking up pretty well for them. i'm really concerned about it bigger picture. what does this say about our party? about our values? about what we're addressing the american people with? and we are doing nothing but inciting, you know, vitriol and personal attacks and getting away from policy. we don't seem to be able to deal with policy we disagree with. >> and gloria, you know what is amazing about this is that it just has all become so political. right? so congresswoman omar calls on mccarthy to take action against boebert for what she said, right? when she said the kmcomments abt being a jihadist about ilhan omar. and yet, on the other hand, we

are reporting trump and his allies are starting to threaten to block mccarthy becoming speaker if they retake the house next year because ostensibly, he is not enough in their corner, which is sort of incredible. but mccarthy thinks he can solve all this behind closed doors and they both walk out and -- and it's the exact opposite. it escalates. >> he can't. i mean, the thing is, mccarthy cannot do that. he has to grow a spine. he has to get out there as a leader. that's what leaders are for. and say this is not what the republican party is about. period. we don't threaten each other. we may disagree on policy. but we don't call each other names. we don't call members of the other party or imply that members of the other party are terrorists. i mean, these are members of congress, for heaven sake. it's hard to sort of wrap your -- your arms around that. but these are members of congress talking about each over. and kevin mccarthy, behind closed doors, is not gonna stop the vitriol. the person who can stop the

vitriol is donald trump. instead of egging marjorie taylor greene on and saying, good, let's primary nancy mace, let's do that. he could say, as a former leader, as a former president, i don't really want this because it inspires voicemails, like the one the congresswoman played today. but he won't do that. >> no, he is not going to do that. in fact, marjorie taylor greene was following him -- you know, he is the one who first said he was going to primary nancy mace. i mean, congressman, just to get through some of this, republican congressman marjorie taylor greene has seized on this, right? she has -- when nancy mace came out, the republican from charleston, south carolina, and skon demmed the anti-muslim comments boebert made, greene jumps to boebert's defense. she tweets nancy mace is the trash in the gop conference. mace, you can back up off lauren boebert or just go hang with your real gal pals, the jihad squad. mace responds to that a few

moments ago. here she is. >> make no mistake. mar marjorie taylor greene is a liar. she is crazy, she's insane. she's bad for the party. >> i want to be clear. she did say that on fox news, congressman, and i they that's, you know, important. she didn't have -- she didn't mince her words over there. um, but -- but what do you make of this? i mean right now, it's a lonely fight. it's a lonely situation. she is the one saying it's wrong. not kevin mccarthy. >> no and that's a real problem. like i said, our leadership is not stepping up to define what we stand for from a big picture point of view. they are hiding behind trump. i call it trump-domination syndrome. they are all cowering to trump and they're empowering these people, like the two congre congresswomen that you just mentioned that have made ethnic threats and very vitriolic comments that are not constructive and they are not helpful to get anything accomplished. i'm proud that ms. mace spoke up

and there is a real question who is the real trash in the conference right now? >> well i mean, you know, it's powerful words and we have seen that word being thrown around so much. i mean, gloria, congresswoman omar was emotional at the press conference moments ago, right, when she played that voicemail that she said she received last night. and it was awful. um, she says it is something she has dealt with. this isn't the first time she's gotten these kind of horrific things. listen to this. >> steven king claimed another member said of my hijab that there might be four pounds of c4 under it that would wipe out half of congress. the truth is, is that is

islamophobia pervades our culture, our politics. >> so, gloria, does anyone listen? >> i don't know. i hope -- i hope kevin mccarthy was listening. you know, kevin mccarthy, at one point, came out against donald trump after the insurrection and he has been paying for it ever since. he had to go to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring. he had to change his mind, and i don't think he wants to go through that again because as you point out, he wants to be speaker of the house and he thinks this is the way to get it. um, and so, i don't know if mccarthy is listening or not. perhaps, what we heard from omar tonight will give him an excuse because that's what it would be. would give him an excuse to come out and say, i don't like those voicemails. i don't like those tweets. rather than saying i don't like what boebert did and she needed to stop doing it. i mean, he needs to come out and criticize her. and, i you know, let's see if h has the guts to do it. what is the speakership worth if

you don't have a party to lead? >> yeah, that's well said. thank you, both, very much. i appreciate you. >> can i make one more comment? >> yeah. sorry. next, trump's former -- okay, go ahead. go ahead. you are back, congressman. sorry, go. >> i probably disagree with ms. omar about most everything she has said on policy. but i respect the fact that she expresses policy, not personal epithet. >> all right. well, thank you very much and we will end on that note. thank you, both. and next, trump's former chief of staff now cooperating with the january 6th committee. so, what is he specifically willing to give up? and the international olympic committee -- they claim that they are totally satisfied chinese tennis star peng shuai is fine. but how do they know from like a zoom call? will the longest-serving member of the ioc is going to come and answer my questions. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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signaling there could evidence meadows will not ever hand over to congress. ryan nobles is south front. so, ryan, i understand chairman thompson's coming out with a lot of e-mails will be provided. what are you learning? >> chairman bennie thompson just telling us a few minutes ago the committee's received more than 6,000 e-mails from mark meadows. now, we don't know specifically what is in those e-mails or how much they will help the committee in their investigation but it does show a level of cooperation with mark meadows that we hadn't seen before. to your point, how far will that cooperation go? his attorney saying today they are ready to have conversations with the committee but they are still concerned about executive privilege. at this point, we don't know how the committee defines executive privilege as opposed to the way mark meadows and his legal team define executive privilege. still, scheduled to be here next week to answer questions. that's where we will really see some substance behind this new cooperation that he has agreed to at least begin with the committee and how far that will

end up going, erin. >> it's fascinating because some saying he would go the route of bannon but of course as a former member of congress, there was a question. and i don't want to read too much into 6,000 e-mails and showing up because showing up is not necessarily opening up. but obviously, significant developments. so, ryan, this is coming as judges on the d.c. circuit court of appeals expressed skepticism today about whether trump can actually supersede president biden's decision to waive executive privilege, right? and then, obviously, if they -- if that is held up, president biden's decision, the january 6th committee would get more than 700 pages of documents. we actually heard the judges in court today. here's what they said. >> you are going to have to come up with something more powerful that's going to outweigh the incumbent president's decision to waive. right? you are going to have to change the score on that scoreboard. >> seeing that the current president has not only the confidentiality factor that he is thinking about, but the

current duty to, um, the interests of the united states. >> so, ryan, just hearing them, right, and actually hearing them deliberate. it appears trump's legal team is facing a really serious uphill battle on this. >> yeah, erin, that is not surprise. these are three judges that were appointed by democratic presidents. one judge, in particular, weighed in on a previous executive privilege claim involving don mcgahn, the former white house counsel, and sided with the congress and their desire to get information from him. so it's not a surprise that they would side with the lower court that's already ruled that these executive privilege claims do not supersede the interest of the american public and the committee's desire to get this information. but we should point out, erin, this is just one stage of a lengthy legal battle. were former president trump to lose at this stage, he still has the option of going to the supreme court where he might have the opportunity to be in front of some more friendly justices. so at this stage, doesn't look good for trump but there is still a long battle to go, erin.

>> thank you very much, ryan. next, the european union tonight demanding verifiable proof that tennis star peng shuai is safe. but the same cannot be said for the international olympic committee. why? one of the longest-serving members of the ioc answers my questions, next. and jeffrey epstein's pilot testifying in the trial of his longtime associate, naming names of high-powered people who flew on epstein's private jet. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event.

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tonight, european union urging china to release quote verifiable proof that tennis star peng shuai is safe. saying quote her recent public reappearance does not ease concerns about her safety and freedom. the latest photo of peng was released more than a week ago, taken during a video call she had with the president of the sbra sbr international olympic committee -- the only outside organization to speak with her. this comes as peng disappeared from public life four weeks ago after publicly accusing a retired senior communist party leader of rape. outfront now, dick pound. and, dick, i really appreciate your time. so, we have been covering this story and i want to ask you about this because you have information that no one else does because you, at the ioc, have interacted with -- with her on that video call. i know you didn't see the call, yourself. but you said your peers, other members of the ioc, came away satisfied that peng was not

speaking under coercion. can you tell me and everyone watching why you feel confident that that's the case? >> well, they -- they had a very friendly and relaxed call between four of them. for half an hour. and it concluded with a very positive outcome that, you know -- that the president and -- and ms. peng are going to have a lunch or something when -- when he gets to beijing in january. and generally, the -- the consensus of all of those people on the call was that she's fine. she's not -- she's not under any kind of coercion or -- or -- or, you know, confinement. so that's the best evidence we have at the moment. and it's certainly a long way ahead of the people who have not contacted her, and who just make statements. so i think i would rely on the combined judgment of colleagues

who are -- you know, there basically was a conversation between four olympians. and -- and there's a special relationship that they enjoy together, so there would be very little difficulty in having a relaxed conversation. and i think if it were not relaxed, they would have noticed that. >> right. of course, um, you know, as you point out, you know, she hasn't responded to others who have tried to reach out to her. tennis world is just an example. and, you know, she made an incredibly serious allegation. a very heartfelt, serious one, and then just suddenly retracted it via chinese state media. um, so, you know, it's not just the eu and human rights groups who are questioning whether she's really saying what we're hearing her say, right? others who have been in a situation with the chinese government have spoken out about this. a swedish human rights activist detained by chinese authorities said that when, you know, he

looked at the videos released of her, it reminded him of the propaganda videos that chinese authorities forced him to take. so he told our producer today, dick, quote i think it's safe to say ms. peng is? custody and strict control. police are likely to prep her before, and sit down with and review her performance when done. and then last week, i spoke with desmond shum. i don't know if you know the name but his ex-wife -- chinese billionaire -- vanished four years ago without a trace in china. hasn't -- hasn't been able to see her child since. he says there is no chance peng will be allowed to leave china freely, right? back to the point you had at the ioc was a video call. she wasn't able to come and meet you in montreal where you are, have a casual lunch, nothing like that. how can you ever be sure that her appearances aren't staged if she isn't allowed to leave china completely on her own free will and speak publicly? >> listen. there are lots of countries where you can't easily leave the country and so forth. so, i -- i think a lot of that

is speculation. i mean, what we have is -- is hard evidence as we can have and feel. these are people who are -- you know, they've dealt with athletes and dealt with pressure. they know -- they can tell whether somebody's behaving under duress or not. and their -- their unanimous conclusion was that she was fine and she just asked that her privacy be respected for the time being. the other thing you mentioned earlier is i don't know that she withdrew anything she said. what she said was taken off whatever the platform was. >> actually, head of the world tennis association received. didn't share with anybody. but then, he saw it reported in chinese state media. >> well, i -- i -- i have no idea what that was. but the people who saw her and

interacted with her were as satisfied as they could be in the circumstances. and even something as complex as -- as sexual harassment or -- or -- or worse a charge, i don't care what country you're in, it takes a long while to put the evidence together. in your country, my country, anywhere else. china would be no different to -- to get all the facts and -- and reach a conclusion. and i don't know whether that's what she actually asked for. >> allegation was of rape. obviously, the reason you and i are talking is you're front and center in this as the olympics, right? and beijing is hosting the winter games in february. so you only have a few weeks really to go. of the 15 companies listed as your olympic partner sponsors, not one has spoken out about peng. but of course, you and i both know the reason we are talking about this is the women's tennis association has -- has spoken out. steve simon. he is the head of it. i spoke with him.

but this is what he told me. >> we have to start as a world making decisions that are based upon, um, right and wrong, period. and we can't compromise that. and we're definitely willing to pull our business and deal with all the complications that come with it because this is certainly -- this is bigger than the business. >> so, there are going to be some people, dick, you and i know who are going to watch this interview and say, okay, you are saying all this because you got billions of advertising dollars on the line and you are weeks away from the olympics and your hands are completely tied. so you are just hoping and praying the whole thing will go away. what do you say to them? >> i don't think we -- we -- we hope that the -- the games will be celebrated and all the expectations of the athletes, of the sponsors, the world audience will be met in the sense that there will be good games and great competition. kind of the way it was in the end in japan, even though they

were very reluctant towards the end to go ahead with the games. so, that's our motivation there. it's not -- if -- if the games get cancelled, we have got all kinds of insurance. i mean, it's not -- it's not a financial disaster for us. >> all right. well, dick, i appreciate your time. thank you very much for sharing your side of the story. thank you. and out front next, the first of four women who claim ghislaine maxwell groomed them to have sex with jeffrey epstein. taking the stand. details on her graphic testimony.

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tonight, emotional disturbing testimony in the ghislaine maxwell trial. a woman taking the stand accusing jeffrey epstein of sexual abuse, saying it began when she was only 14 years old. and she provided graphic details on years of abuse from epstein and tied maxwell, specifically, to several incidents. earlier today, epstein's former pilot, also, testified on the stand that several high profile men, including former president clinton and trump did fly on epstein's private jet. none of the men mentioned are -- to have any wrongdoing in this trial. vicki ward, the host and reporter for a new podcast and docu-series called chasing ghislaine. today, you were in the courtroom during jane's emotional testimony. i put that in quotes because she

was going by a pseudonym. i know, at times, crying, shaking while detailing the horrific abuse she endured. you were there. what was it like hearing from her? >> it was very shocking, erin. um, an assistant u.s. attorney allison mo representing the prosecution kept repeating that 14, 15, 16. and, you know, you couldn't just escape that reminder of how young jane was when she first met jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. and her stories of not just how he preyed on her and abused her. but then, of how ghislaine maxwell would sort of normalize this behavior by either being topless or being in the room and appearing to think that what was going on was sort of normal. um, hearing about orgies

involving other women. um, and hearing how it just went on and on for years, it was really disturbing. >> and, vicki, there are no cameras allowed in that courtroom. but you were there so you are one of the very few people who can see ghislaine during the testimony, right? so all the richness and famousness and celebrity with which her entire life has been full, and now here she is in this courtroom. and she listened to that today. what -- what -- what was her reaction? >> so, she looked remarkably calm and unfazed. she focused on taking notes. um, conferring with her lawyers. she looks very understated. she's wearing cashmere sweater and slacks. um, her lawyers, particularly her female lawyers, make a point of being physically affectionate

with her. and, you know, the defense opened yesterday very strongly saying that she should not be on trial for jeffrey epstein's crimes. um, and that, that is what they claim is going on here. they say it's about 3ms. memory, manipulation, and money. and of course, the real question is whether jane can withstand the cross-examination, which began in the last half-hour of today's hearing. and if i have to tell you, erin, was blistering. >> and quickly, before we go. i know you and i are going to talk a lot about this but with are we going to hear a lot more rich and powerful names here come out? i mean, this trial has the potential to upend many lives. >> right. so, one name i wasn't expecting to hear today was that of bobby kennedy, jr. epstein's pilot was asked if bobby kennedy, jr., had flown on that plane, along with clinton, trump, others. the pilot said he didn't know. but, you know, it seems like every day there's another name

of a powerful guy that gets added to jeffrey epstein's web. >> all right. vicki, thank you very much. it's going to be incredible to watch all this. and, vicki, i know you are going to have more on this when your series airs on discovery id this friday. thank you so much for your time. i am glad to see you and thanks to all of you for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. it's hard to say good evening when a school in this country is being described by local authorities as a, quote, fairly large crime scene. that's where we begin tonight. yet another school where kids died. this time, the detroit area. oxford high school, oakland county, michigan. at least three students killed by gunfire. eight other people hurt. a 15-year-old boy in custody. according to the gun violence archive, this is the 651st mass shooting in this country this year. they die d define mass shooting as four or more people killed or wounded not including the shooter. and th