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leader. his powerful reporting earlier that the company that nunes will lead will have an investigation over a financing deal. let's go over for quality cnn tonight." >> anderson, thank you. this is "cnn tonight." and first, a note about this time slot. you heard, chris cuomo is no longer with cnn. our job is to continue to bring you the news. that's what we will do tonight. you know that america lost one of the greats, one-time presidential president nominee, bob dole, will lie in state at the u.s. capitol. his passing was not the passing of one man. it's a metaphor for the demise of america's civilized and governing class. is there a bob dole among us today, in either party?
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could bob dole get nominated in his party? no way. that's why his passing should where a reflection point to hit the pause button. bob dole ran to serve, not to be. he was a loyal republican but he was not always predictable. he imposed some of the programs of lbj. but he supported the equal rights act. he joined with moynihan to save social security from insoin sol solvency. the way you got to stay in
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washington was to bide your time, get re-elected, establish seniority, get choice committee assignments and get things done. today, it's easier and potentially quicker to keep your job. you say something provocative. you get on cable television. you act like a talk show host. why spend time to pass complex legislation, when you can be a social media bomb thriller. it's hard for me to imagine senator bob dole in the same building with lauren boglar. or paul gosar, who sweeted out an may video with him and. or marjorie taylor green he never would have been comfortable in that environment.
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however kevin mccarthy singled out five democrats. he summarized the conduct of ilhan omar, adam shift, eric swalwell, and ka heem jeffries. dole is so much of what is missing today. his life was a can vance, of a backdrop of what is wrong in washington. and we don't have to speculate that dole thought ant the news of the day. he turned in a column. the washington post says it was drafted early 2021, arnold the time of his death. listen to the late senator in his own words -- i watched the january 6th riots from the
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capitol. there's been a lot of taung about what it would take to he'll our country. we must remember that bipartisan is the minimum we should expect from ourselves. america can never achieve greatness when we prioritize principals over party and humanity over personalal legacy, we establish more as a nation. i will count on tomorrow's leaders to stand up for what is right for america, with full optimism and faith in humanity. powerful, right? we have breaking news that's related to january 6th. we learned that the former chief of staff, mark short, is correspondenting with the january 6th committee.
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that gives insight from one of the highest ranking trump officials. that founds positive. will dole's final words on bipartisanship resonate with both sides of a deeply polarized washington today? that's my question. i'm wondering tonight what you're thinking. what your answer might be to that issue. i want your to reach out to my on social media, like i do on saturday mornings. i'll do my best to share responses. talk to a long-time friend of bob dole, john danforth. thank you for being here. have you got it worked out yet? whose words are they and what is the context they were offered? >> it's bob dole. that's right on.
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when he was republican leader in the senate, his idea is 20 get as many senators in the act would be good. and he had the leaders office. there was a large group and a small table. when there was an issue, he would get everybody he could grab. and he was all of the different points of view. he would invite them to go into that room. there was a large table. and a bunch of the staffers were on that side. extremely crowded. it was a hot box. we stayed in there and hammered out the issue. and here would be bob dole. he would be sitting in an
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overstuffed leather chair, and he would always say the same line -- got it worked out yet? and that was his method. politics was about working things out. that's when the united states functioned. >> you heard me tie whis passin to a bygone era. how worried are you about the faith 06 democracy in the united states? >> well, i think -- one of the points of the country, right, is to keep everything together.
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that's the point of politics. it's not just making p.r. positions and getting yourself on a news program. it's about the subject that brings america together and that's what politics is and should be about. >> you made some decisions you wish you hadn't made. i'm referring to josh holly. i see that tied because of the role he played in fighting the outcome of 2020. how worried are you about the fate of democracy in the united states? >> i am. there's a willingness to attack the structure. january 6th was an example of
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that. that wasn't all of it. that was beginning of the election, claiming this the election was to be stolen. that the president wasn't legitimately elected president. that's a serious thing to do to the country. it's not just something to do to democrats or to joe biden. it's an attack on the constitutional system. and it's just powerful to consider together. i'm. >> carolyn:ed concerned about it. it's a different chapter in american politics. >> tell me how the centrists seize this america. >> i wish i had an answer to
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that. i believe there's an awful lot of people in our country who are not on the extremes. say they don't agri with biden's economic policies and adon't agree with the cyle of donald trump. somehow, it's important for the senator to reassert himself. >> i think it's where the greatest numbers are. senator danforth, i appreciate it. >> what are your thoughts? go to my facebook page. i will try to tweet some out. >> the decline process is over, dude.
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it's done. it's been going on for 30 years. senator dole had the power he had in the '80s. 65% comprised of moderates, like dole. one more. what have we got? he endorsed donald trump in 2016. i cannot pronounce your handle. i'll say this -- he did endorse dump in 2016. but he didn't do it in 2020. in a country that's sadly almost numb to school shootings, the developments in the michigan case are almost surreal. the oakland county sheriff is here to update us about the ges to warning signs. that's next. your plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach.
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minnesota. deputies searched the property of a man they believe may have helped him. deputies say a 65-year-old let him use the work space over the weekend. they are now in jail. they are counts of four counts of involuntary manslaughter, for giving their son unrestricted access to the gun he used to kill classmates. he is spending time in the same facility as his parents. the question on all of our minds -- did they have assistance at that time that law enforcement was looking for them? >> well, they clearly had assistance. what my dktd dakotas, did they the individual was on at the
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same time. >> what was it he did to provide them with advantage? >> it was his face, in restricted and secured space. he gave them access to that space. it appears before they were wanted. we were with them after they were wanted. we were trying to determine if any of the facts or when he knew it. the part of the search warrant they're executing is to collect and seize digital devices to see if there's anything that will wrap rate some of the information that he gave in our investigative interview earlier in afternoon. >> all three family members are in the same facility.
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>> it's something that our staff is used to profiling with. a lot of individuals have been gone through our seg gated. one was a joouf mile and is not loud to be around adults. and the male and female populations are separated. >> in a hypothetical, what would have been the protocol that the police get that is hofollowed? >> well, in a school and school district has one of my japanese as a school resource officer, who is in that schooler inially con constantly. my triggers would have activated if he was ascertained.
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we would have asked that the school had him reproved from the school until we could make sure the situation is stable and not a threat or a danger to himself or others. the follow is that we go to the home and speak to the parents, and determine access and availability of weapon s. the day f, another school district, with another 16-year-old, did contact us. we made interviews to determine that the student, the 16-year-old had the said threating things. met with the parents, who were cooperate i. we took weapons in custody an arrested the 15-year-old. that is what would have been the
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protocol if we were involved. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, sir. >> as i said, a lot of our attention -- you heard the latest on the investigation. now, we're going to shift to the school. prosecutors are looking into school officials level of cup possibility. chris dorn is the internationalist for safe havens snashlg. react to what the sheriffs said as it replies to our area of expertise. >> it's troubling but not surprising. law enforcement are -- i shouldn't say typically. but they are often in a risk taking. >> i want to go over some of the key points.
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i think you were familiar. the 26th, posts the gun. the 29th is the day, if teacher sees searcher online. reports this. then, mom texts her son. lol, i'm not mad at you. the november 30 day is the one i want to focus you on. teacher finds drawing with emmy automatic gun. blood every where. and council takes him to the backpack. the parents resist taking their son out of school that day. he goes back to class. what should have been followed on the 30th of november? >> we would have been a little further up and long in the process.
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is taipoint that we have the thoughtening information, such as the redding information, to the other sipps, we want to bring in a uh discriminate theme and mental health and law enforcement, to get the different perspective. >> i know hindsight is 2020. you called the cops, right? >> that's typically what we hope to have happen. it's challenging. educators aren't designed to look for danger and for the next actor shooter. >> don't you look in that
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student's locker? don't you ask what is in the backpack and seek to inspect it? >> we didn't have any law enforcement penalty to do that. >> what's the takeaway? with your expertise, what are you saying? >> look at what our prices are. and what it is at right now. when that impressions comes aabout, i would let them pick the place. >> a shooting like this is a rarity. i discussed this on radio. people have been call upon to make this kind of assessment. it happens with some regularity, right?
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>> it's fairly common. we're looking for the student who is doing self-harm. it's a current election process. it's difficult to be the one person. >> it seems that the response eem seemed appropriate on if part of the school and the student. would you agree? >> it es hard to say. some of their parchment is on concern. barricading can be more dangerous than help. people can be locked. i'm willing to see what comes out. >> yeah. me, too. i want to know everything. thank you. i appreciate your time. >> thank you.
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>> reach out on social media. we'll include some from the social media. will we see any change from the parents being arrested? what does this mean safety will win over politics? i think the easy call here -- i think the easy call seems to be that the parents acted with negligence. whether they were legally complicit, that's an open what happened the school. what was the response during the two interactions? i'm not satisfied. i'm not sure what the sheriff. keep the social media reactions coming. the strictest vaccine mandate come no new yorkle city.
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yet to be exposed. the invaccinations is facing a new level of restrictions. those that have had covid should have a natural immunity. the vatican is treating those that have had covid the same as those vaccinated. i want to bring in dr. man da ga gandhi. would you say to mayor deblass coe, you need to treat the same of those that got covid and the vaccinated? >> i would tell him to treat people that recovered from covid as the same as the vaccinated. at this point, december 2021, we have a lot of data, that not just imlogically shows us that people that have had covid.
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and those memory cells anti-bodice, will be higher if you had severe infection. lower if you had a mild infection. but they come down after vaccination anyway. it's really the cellular memories. >> isn't it, dr. gandhi, a very individualized process? i mean, millions have gotten the vaccine. there's a ton of data as to what we can expect in the cases. for those who had it, how do we really know? they are resistant to get the virus again? is there a way to measure that? >> there's not. the antibodies will come down. the is there a pcr test for a
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positive test in the past. you have natural immunity, that's good enough for us. and switzerland has been looking at it the longest. a 365-day period after you recover from covid, that you count as vaccinated. >> it's pretty jarring to see what an outlier the united states is. we're listing all of the e.u. and none.u. countries that do it differently. why doesn't the united states go the way of those nations? >> i can't quite figure it out. it seems a little political. no one in europe is a good immuneologist. they know what they are talking about. >> doctor, thank you for your
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willie sutton famously said he robbed banks because that's where the money is. the equivalent would be the spend your time where the people are. some would say the democrats are moving on the right track. and the left's playbook is entrenched, trying to run up the numbers as they can in those areas. in our constitution, it doesn't necessarily mean they will win.
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the issue is more glaring in the senate. the 50 republican senators represent 42 million fewer people than the same number of democratic senators. that's why my next guest is imploring his fellow democrats to get out of the city more. nice to see you again. thank you for being here. you're sounding an alarm. you say, wait, the democrats hold the white house and the senate if there's a tie. why the need for larm? >> the dodges came after the start in new jersey and virginia. in virginia, half of the counties were lost by 95%. 2008, president obama lost % of the 20%.
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we're continuing to do as well as we need to be doing. you got to show up. you have to issues and a discussion about things that matter in people's living. i think we can do that. this was declarian to say, we lost 900 legislative seats over the last 15 years. we lost senate seats in north dakota, south carolina, or indiana. and that's in part because we're not connecting to folks outside of cities. and we need to rededicate ourselves. >> as i read your ses say, you make the case that democrats are out of touch with ordinary voters. and i can hear critics saying, no, out of touch with ordinary democrats. it's time for you to cross the aisle. i'm sure you heard the comments. your response is what? >> you can go back and half of
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america hasn't had a pay increase in real terms in 40 years. it's always democrats that are fighting for the middle class. they actually have a better life. time and time again is what we see, the economic interests, that's where we've always been. we have to make sure we're talking to folks about the issues they're speaking about at the bar or at their kitchen table. most of the issues are, do i have a safe community? do i have a decent job? clean air, clean water. >> you think that the democrats have allowed themselves to be coastal? elitist? what isn't correct?
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>> many my perspective, all of it. at the end of the day, the democratic party is and should be and as been a beautiful start for people. that's economically. the base of that is economically. i don't view, most democrats i know, in places like montana or around the country, as sooner the elitists. we need to do both. you can swing or you can dissuade voters. we have to do both. >> i would submit that many democrats look at the most prominent of democrats. nice to see you again, governor. appreciate you coming back. >> great seeing you, michael. >> make sure you reach out on
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tonight, thomas massey digging in, vowing never to delete his controversial gun-toting family christmas photo. the picture was posted just days after four kids were killed in a michigan school. and massey's response stands to fuel more outrage. that may be the point. >> tis the season for christmas cards. the endless snapshots that show everything is all right on the home front. then, there's this guy, who decided to deck his family out
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with webs of war. talk about a war on christmas. if you're anything resembling a norm, sane, ent yent being, you might ask yourself, what is wrong with these people? and only partially answered. that's dennis massey from tennessee. his christmas card came just days after the latest mass shooting. he's presumably a smart guy, a tech entrepreneur. but he's the kind of congressman to give police officers the congressional gold medal. he voted against anti-lynching laws. claiming that the military would quit. tweeted and then deleted. le and yet, he is largely flown
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under the radar. his concern to run of the mile wing nut in congress, that's the problem. the weirdness, the picture your family, with automatic weapons with your christmas cards. that's the situation that massey is in. his district is rated "r" plus 18. it has an 18 and older registration advantage. the only meaningful election is the primary. consider the flipside. the flight of the few that stood up for real principles. they are all got political targets from trumpists and democrats. for example, five of the democrats who voted to impeach trump, represent gop districts
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in states biden won. illinois, decided not to run again, after his district was eliminated by white house state white house democrats. in new york and california, represent i john cacko and david bow lotto. and both think about the message that sends. trying to overturn an election is politically safer than standing up for basic principles of our democracy. because we need more of these folks in congress. not less. but all the trends seem to be going in the wrong direction. take texas which gained two congressional seats after the last census due to massive population growth. 95% attributed to people of color. but mubls control the state
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legislature increase the number of safe gop districts while reducing democratic leaning districts, drawing voting rights challenge from the gop today. states like ohio which voted for nonpartisan redistricting overwhelmingly, only to have the state gop pushed through an absurd 13-2 map. out of the nine states that have completed their congressional maps today, there are only ten congressional seats out of 116. that's roughly half the number from those same states in the last election cycle, according to the project. anyone with an interest in this smooth functioning democracy should see the danger in this. bipartisan margins are the way most meaningle legislation passes to criminal justice reform. but the numbers of competitive swing declined dramatically over the past 25 years. there were 164 swing seats back
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in 1997. by 2017, it was down to 72. with safe seats skyrocketing for both parties and bits to get much worse. the decline in swing districts has led to the decline in both parties and that's a problem for the whole republican, not just the republican party. that's your reality check. michael? >> you know, i said at the outset of the program that in bob dole's everia, the way to get something done. today you just need a clever christmas card and everything you said made sense to me with one addition. i'm sure it is a fundraising magnet as a result for him. >> 100%. play to the base. you don't have to ever worry about a competitive general election. that makes people more crazy. >> john, thank you. we appreciate it. we'll be right back with some of your social media reaction.
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so let's take a look at some of the social media reaction to tonight's program. what do we got? >> smerconish, the opening segment seemed full of both sides, the five ds that minor l called out did what they -- i get it. you're saying why did you mention the ds? i'll tell you exactly why. i think this partisanship is a pox on both their houses. thank you for giving me the chance to say that. i'll also say that the conduct that i identified boebert, marjorie taylor greene worse than what i mentioned from the democrats but i'm sorry, i'm an equal opportunity offender. i also asked your thoughts on the deadly mass shooting in michigan and if the school should be held accountable. here are responses. if all other circumstances were the same and crumbley were a black, latino or asian kid he would have been searched,
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suspended or expelled and then arrested for having a gun on school grounds because he was white and assumed not to be a threat. tony, you might be right. here is my reaction. if the circumstances we think we know about the timeline apply to someone who is pink, brown or any other color, that backpack ought to be searched and the kid gets sent home from school. to me that seems quite obvious. i said earlier the case against the parents is certainly one of negligence maybe a criminal level of complicity but i'm really troubled by the school given the diagrams that he had and the facts that have come out so far. so we'll stay tuned. one more if i've got time for it. i think i do. no, schools have kids all the time with violent and gun references. they were taking the proper steps and it all happened fast. ethan told them the drawings were a video game he was designing. they did their best. i'm sure they're heart broken. punish the parents. i'm sure all the folks in the school community are hurt and
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suffering and i'm sure those in the guidance counselor's office that met with him are upset about this. we still need to stop what went on here in two successive days, what's unclear whether it was the same teacher that made the reports. in two days you had concerns about this young man one searching for ammunition and a second bloody images and you can't take his word for it i wish to some day design video games. you also weighed in about our electoral reality. i think i've got time for this. this is fun. thank you. electoral reform is seemingly the only solution open primaries and rank choice voting would be a good start need to create an incentive structure to move politicians away from the fringes. all of that is true. gerrymandering is playing a role and media polarization the biggest driver of all and self-sorting. we're making a conscious choice
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to live with the like minded. that's not gerrymandering and that's problematic. thank you for watching. i'll be back here tomorrow night. "don lemon tonight" starts now. don? >> i thought i was brave, right? you're so brave to read those comments. i hear you on "smerconish" on the weekend and your radio show. why are you so brave? why do you do it? i get a lot out of it. >> i get a kick out of it. the spontaneity of it gets to draw on things i've hopefully acquired over the years on radio. if i had my choice, i don't know if anybody would watch if i had my choice and i'd sit here for an hour and go through those complaining and try to respond in realtime. i get a thrill out of it, what can i say? >> this is me knocking on the glass in our old studio, we worked in the same old building and i worked for nbc and i would stand at the glass and wave at him and knock on the glass and watch him on the radio. >> good to see you in this circumstance and not just that one. >> thank you, michael.

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