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here is the breaking news, the house january 6th committee voting to recommend mark meadows be charged with criminal contempt of congress for refusing to cooperate with the committee and failing to appear for a deposition as required by the committee's subpoena. the committee revealing text messages between maryeadows and several fox hosts and the then president's eldest son as the capitol was being violently attacked by insurrectionists. let's bring in cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid and john harwood. good evening to both of you. you've been going through these shocking new texts and information from the january 6th select committee. what do people need to know, paula? >> reporter: extraordinary information as told by some of
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trump's closest allies. the house select committee revealing this evening text messages from several fox news person personnelties, text messages from laura ingraham, sean hannity to the then chief of staff mark meadows urging him to get the president to do something to quail violence on capitol hill. they also revealed text messages from the president's son, donald trump junior saying he quote has to lead now. now, vice chairwoman and the committee liz cheney laid out some of this evidence. let's take a listen. >> as the violence continued, one of the president's sons texted mr. meadows quote he's got to condemn this shit asap. the capitol police cheat is not enough. donald trump junior texted. meadows responded quote i'm pushing it hard. i agree. still, president trump did not immediately act.
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donald trump junior texted again and again urging action by the president quote we need an oval office address. he has to lead now. it has gone too far and gotten out of hand. >> these messages are illustrative of the former president's supreme duty. this is the stuff meadows handed over voluntarily. makes you wonder what he may be withholding. >> what were members of congress telling mark meadows to do, paula? >> more remarkable evidence revealed tonight. for example, we see one message from a lawmaker saying quote the president needs to stop this asap. cheney says these text messages show the white house knew exactly what was happening at the capitol in realtime. but that's not all. when the events of the decertification of the electoral college happened in the early
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hear e hours of january 6th. they called it a terrible day. yesterday was a terrible day. from a lawmaker. we tried everything we could in our objections to the six states. i am sorry nothing worked. that was the response after a failed attempt to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. we know meadows is refusing to come in and answer questions from the committee. he suggested he doesn't have to come in because of executive privilege but clearly, he does not believe that there is any privilege concern with the thousands of documents he's handed over, the committee is demanding he come in and answer questions about the materials he's handed over and clearly, this are questions. >> john, i mean, we tried. sorry, didn't work. we tried to overturn an election. this is crazy. the trump white house staff, members of congress, the former president's own son have been trying to rewrite the history of january 6th since that happened. we know the truth now what they
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actually think about it. >> that's right. not only the trump white house people but also as you've been discussing with paula and others tonight, the fox news personalities, what they have in common this group of people leading what once was a conservative movement is now really an authoritarian movement. what they have in common is they're lying for money and power to a consit tituency thei life is going down the tubes. white evangelical christians that think the country is being taken over by people from other countries and people of different races, by people of different religions and they think their culture is changing and falling behind economically. donald trump appeals to that. fox news exploits that. and we saw the tragic consequences on january 6th and it's now more simply about the
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power and money of a corporation and a political party. it's about the future of democracy as you were talking about with stewart stevens in the previous hour. >> yeah, john, this text. i can't get over this. i got to go back to the i'm sorry, nothing worked text. it is especially disturbing. i mean, this is a sitting member of congress apologizing for not succeeding in helping to overturn the election, chilling especially going forward now. >> well, there is no question about it. look, in the republican party, we've seen precisely two people willing to stand up and call out what happened on january 6th precisely for what it was and that's liz cheney and adam kinzinger. the republican party is stepping back and ignoring down playing what mhappened on january 6th because they think the political winds are blowing in their
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direction and they don't have to do it. on january 6th itself, they were scared it would reverberate against them and mccarthy came and criticized donald trump. he's way fled that position. and so again, the republican party as a whole is not willing to stand up for the constitution and for the future of the american democracy. they're trying to obtain power even at the cost of that kind of insurrection and remember, we had sitting members of congress, mo brooks spoeke to that and sad we'll go and fight like hell. that's what we're dealing with. >> that's what we're dealing with. i need to let the viewers now, the select committee voted to hold mark meadows in contempt of congress. i want to bring in cnn senior
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analyst a legal and national security analyst. good to see both of you. thanks very much. ellie, i'll start with you because these texts are extraordinary why meadows should be compiling with the subpoena. will the justice department actually prosecute mark meadows for a contempt of congress? >> big question. this is a wow moment. >> right? >> we have to step back. this morning, we got these texts about how the national guard will stand by to protect protrump people and that's already yesterday's news. >> we knew this. this is the proof they knew and that they're lying about it exactly. it shows that when we say they knew, everythbody around the situation, people trying to down play january 6th on the day of. they're sending texts and the people behind this mark meadows and donald trump and the only one that can stop it, everybody
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is begging meadows you have to get him to call them off. that shows you they knew the person who the capitol was stormed for. >> do you think they will vote for contempt? what does that mean? >> it has to go to the full house that will happen soon and go to doj. merrick garland has to decide if he wants to bring a criminal charge. we're talking about mark meadows. he has partially compiled but overall of this, he's the former president. we got a ruling last week from the court of appeals in d.c. the former president doesn't get to call for executive privilege contrary to the current president. i think doj should charge it but this is a gut check for merrick garland. >> i think i know the answer to this. does the fever break? i don't think. i don't know if this evening breaks the fever. sad it keeps going on and on and on. it just continues and am i crazy to think that? you think okay, here is the
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proof. everybody knows this is a farce. all these people are lying about it. fox news, you know, don junior, whatever. yet, the grift keeps going. d do you understand what i'm saying? >> i do. this is a rare moment of clarity, right? there is a concept in the law in evidence called an excited u utter. an exception to the hearsay rule. this is based on the idea when someone is in a state of shock or under stress, what they say is inherently trustworthy and when i was listening to these texts being read out, i thought of this concept. these are excited utters. this is how they were perceiving the event at the time whatever political combover they did hours later and months later and
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even don junior i don't think of as having a particularly well moral compass is perceiving this in the same way and the question is, you know, why wasn't trump responding to this? he was the one who they all believed had the power to stop this and he was the one who apparently did it because these texts kept coming. >> amazing. don junior who is -- i was going to say all of them. the biggest joke of the trump family, besides the dad is like on that day saying, you know, you got to stop this. mark meadows was on "hannity" just tonight. here is what he said. >> it's disappointing but not surprising and let's be clear about this, sean. this is not about me holding me in contempt. it's not even about making the capitol safer. we see that by some of the selective leaks going on right now. this is about donald trump and about actually going after him
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once again continuing to go after donald trump. >> it's painful to listen to, guys. osha, enough. >> don, here is the bottom line for meadows. he cannot be both loyal to trump and tell the truth. and this is the thing he's caught between in terms of cooperating with congress. given what they have, actual text messages that, you know, between him and other people, he has to name names. he has to really -- he was in the thick of it and so he either has to throw trump under the bus, which is going to be, you know, political death for him or he lies for trump, which many other people have done mike flynn, rodger stone and he will pay a price for that because he will undoubtedly be prosecuted for lying to congress. so for him, i think, taking the chance on this contempt of congress charge which as ellie noted is not necessarily a slam
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dunk is just a calculations for him, a risk reward calculations because i think he has no wiggle room at all to fudge if he goes in and answers questions in front of this committee. >> if i could just build on that. we used to say as prosecutors if someone thinks about cooperating, you don't want to jump half way across the ditch. stay there and be a defendant or come over there and cooperate. mark meadows, i want to know what happened. he went half way across and gave 6,000 damming documents and said hold on and now he's stuck in the middle. so some day we'll learn what happened, why he did that. it makes no sense but he's already about maybe incriminated by given incredibly damming information on himself and others. >> quick won. d don junior and the fox propaganda hosts, can they be called to testify. >> they need to be sensitive to
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compelling members of the media for first amendment reasons and reasons we can understand as the media. if they were not members of the media you would be walking a subpoena now. >> this is an insurrection and please stop them. good evening, everyone, nothing happened at the capitol today. thank you. it gets worse and worse. every new revelation gives us a new terrible piece of the picture of what happened on january 6th but will we ever know the whole truth? >> and mr. meadows' testimony will bear on another key question before this committee. did donald trump through action or inaction corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress' officials proceeding to corrupt votes. mark meadows' testimony is necessary to inform our legislative judgments.
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so here is the breaking news tonight, the january 6th co committee voting to hold mark meadows in contempt. so much to discuss now. garrett grath is here and charlie dent is now a cnn political commentator. good to see both of you. garrett, haven't seen you in awhile. i'll start with you. the more we learn about january e 6th, the worse it gets. do these stunning revelations get us any closer to the full story of what happened that day in your estimation? >> i think one of the things we
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see becoming clear is what we have known all along, which is donald trump is the center of this. the people around donald trump whether it's his own staff, his own family or fox news hosts, realize that this crowd was acting to fulfill donald trump's wishes. and that, you know, for all that we try to pretend these were tourists, you know, trying to get a tour of the capitol or these were, you know, a few random disaffected people who broke off from the trump rally on the national mall, everyone that day that was around donald trump, around the president of the united states understood what is coming clear in these texts that this crowd was reacting to and would follow the orders of donald trump.
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>> charlie, congressman adam schiff laid out texts received from lawmakers, take a listen to this. >> this one reads on january 6th, 2021, vice president mike pence as president of the senate should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. the second graphic. the president needs to stop this asap. if we could queue graphic number three. yesterday was a terrible day. we tried everything we could in our objection to the six states. i'm sorry nothing worked. >> wow. so we have a sitting member of congress. what happens when we find out who they are? >> that will be a real bad day for those members, all i can
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tell you. we're missing the capitol on january 6th was a site of a massive crime scene and congress has every right to investigate that attack. people forcibly entered a restricted area. there was aggravated assault committed against numerous law enforcement officers, destruction and desecration of the capitol itself. congress has a right to know and hold those people accountable and those who may have aided and assisted them and so to the extent whether it was lawmakers or protesters, mark meadows having conversations with protesters on the ground based on documents that he released to the committee with members of congress, with the fox news hosts and by the way, somebody might want to look into propriety of that, that's a subject for brian stelter apparently. i i'm just saying there is a lot to investigate and congress has every right to get this information and again, since mark already provided mark meadows already provided this
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material to the committee, i mean, the committee has every right to ask about this what adam schiff read off and what liz cheney read off, too. this is really relevant to the investigation. so i think mark meadows got himself in a real pickle here. i think the truth will set him free and frankly, best thing for republican party right now is for the truth to come out. it might help break the lock of trump on the party if we can understand exactly what he did to aid and abet this group. >> what happened with mark meadows? cooperating, cooperating, could someone have gotten to him and said okay, shut your mouth? >> well, i think he's trying to run out the clock. you know, i think he's hoping that maybe he's finding a civil action this might slow things down and get to the midterms and maybe this can go away for him. that's probably partly the strategy. probably donald trump does not want him in front of congress. that's probably a harsh reality
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as well. so i think that's certainly playing into his calculations. it's hard to say what is motivating him. he's in a bit of a thano man's land. he's half in, half out. he hasn't quite crossed the ditch. >> jump the ditch. >> he's kind of in it. >> brought me back to my childhood, the plank over the ditch to go to the neighbor's house. i was really country growing up. the committee is releasing damming evidence but will it shake up meadows or make other trump allies think twice about trying to seaubvert the investigation or they don't care about truth or facts or law or nothing? >> well, i do think what we have seen is that this steve bannon criminal charge of contempt of congress has shaken some of these cooperators. it has had some of its desired
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effect. i think you're seeing that in mark meadows and half in, half out challenge. he's trying to avoid this moment congress would move for a criminal contempt charge and argue executive privilege enough he would get cast aside and the committee would move on. it's clear the committee is pushing hard and they want to try to get as close to the truth as they can and i think they feel that ticking clock, too. i think everyone understands if republicans take back the majority next year, every ounce of effort that the january 6th committee has put in that has not been made public is going to be buried as deep as the republicans can possibly bury
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the united states up nearly 45% over the past few weeks. meaning that around 120,000 new cases are being reported each day. hospitalizations spiking as well. just as the omicron variant taking hold. so, the country is on the verge of a terrible milestone recording 800,000 deaths from covid-19. goodness. i want to bring in professor of emergency medicine associate dean of public health at brown university. we need good news, doctor. good evening to you. good to see you. the omicron variant is reported in 32 states. it only time until this is the dominant variant. can you explain how contagious this variant is compared to others? >> yeah, every piece of data we have so far reports this variant is in order of magnitude more transmissible than the variants that we have seen before. we are expecting that omicron will become the dominant variant across the united states by
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early january. based on the data we're seeing out of other countries. the one piece of potential good news is that so far omicron seems to be pretty mild in those of us that are vaccinated particularly those vaccinated and boosted but we don't yet know for sure because it is spreading so quickly, we don't yet have great data from the u.k. or other countries where omicron has already become the dominant strain of covid. >> we have seen, doctor, the u.s. follow behind surges in europe but a few weeks i should say, look at the cases. this the is u.k. the map is up there. this chart shows the average number of new cases in the past year. you see the data surge in the summer and now up again and cases in denmark, new cases averaging triple what they were in october. do you expect this to be the u.s. in the coming months? >> i do expect that to be the u.s. you know, the patterns of the
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population, the patterns of vaccination in the u.k. and denmark are quite similar to what we see in the united states. there is no reason for us to think that our case patterns will not follow what they're seeing. the big question, the thing we're all waiting on with baited breath is what happens to hospitalizations in those countries? we know hospitalizations usually spike somewhere between one and three weeks after a case is discovered. so we're watching to see how bad hospitalizations get in european countries because i will tell you that here in the u.s., we can't take much more on top of the current delta wave. >> yeah, you're right about that. according to a source today, alone the nfl saw 37 positive covid cases among players on december 2nd, the nfl said 94.4 of the players were vaccinated along with 100% of the other nfl
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dead. that number could rise. dozens are missing. i want to bring in steve and grayson did not survive and sk jamie is missing and joins us with her daughter shanna. thank you so much for joining us shanna and sandy. sa sandy, i'm sorry for your loss and everything your family is going through right now. how are you doing? >> we're making it. we're just making it. >> in shock? >> absolutely. half of my family has been wiped out. they're just gone. >> how are you holding up, shanna? >> trying to be strong for everyone right now. it's hard. >> yeah. >> it's hard. >> grayson and jamie were part
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of a big duck hunting trip. they go with a large group. on friday evening there were weather warm evernings alerting of tornados. can you take me through what you know, sandy? >> they were in tipton hill, tennessee and been hunting all day but they got up that morning and they just had the best time hunting. they just -- it was just absolutely wonderful. they were laughing and taking their sons. my brother had taken his son. my brother-in-law jamie was the last-minute fill in. he never went duck hunting before. he was a fill in. he had the time of his life and they went to a restaurant in the facility and there was a santa claus there and he ask them, he said, you know, where you boys from? the guy said florida. they said well, what do you know about tornados? and, you know, they're all in
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the place and these locals are still in there and my brother-in-law said, we're from florida. we don't know anything really about tornados. he said you're going to learn about them tonight. again, nobody had a sense of urgency. they weren't saying we have to shelter over here, come to the shelter. you know, in florida we get hurricane warnings all the time and you know how floridians are, they don't panic like that so it just didn't seem to be anything and they went back to the hunting resort and they -- the kids are playing around and my brother, he looked at his son and said come on. he said we've been up since 3:00. let's go to our room and get some sleep. we have to go hunting tomorrow. and so him and my brother, my brother and grayson and my brother-in-law jamie, they were on the second floor on the 45th
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and 46th room and my other brother-in-law and my brother's best friends were on the first floor and he says, you know, it was a lightening storm but again, nobody, you know, nobody in the resort was saying anything. they just figured it's just a storm coming through. he said and the kids were getting nervous and they went outside and started videotaping the storm, the lightning and stuff. he said all of a sudden, the air changed. he said it just changed like that. he said and he started running. everybody started running with their kids and there was a building right across the rooms. it was like a little clubhouse, you know, and they ran in there and kicked the door open and got in a bathroom stall and they put the kids on the bottom and the c daddies got on top and my
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brother and my brother-in-law and his son were asleep in the bed. they never even knew that when the storm -- he said it just sounded like hell had come. he said when it went silent for a moment, the babies was crying daddy, daddy, we're going to die. daddy, i love you. i love you. the boys were screaming i love you, daddy. he said he got up and ran outside and he said the only thing standing was that bathroom stall. he said i started screaming for steven and gray son and sjamie d he said they were gone. he said the whole second floor was gone. they did not -- there was no shelter. he said sandy, he said i tried to find them. he said i couldn't find them. all of a sudden, another one started rolling in. he said we rented a van and it
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busted all the windows of the van. he said i'm trying to get my son. my son is so scared. he said with go traveling down the road and trying to find shelter for my family. he said when we found shelter, he said it was just tornado after tornado that kept coming over them. >> oh my gosh. shanna, i'm going -- can you tell us about steve, grayson and sk jamie, please? >> you wouldn't find better men ever. my uncle was one of a kind. he was the kind of guy that every man wanted to be. if he needed something, uncle stevie was the first one to say how can i help you? it was never i have something to do. he was the one that would do it, and grayson came into our lives and grayson was the light of his world. truthfully, he was the boy that
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he had nieces so when he had the boy, it was him and he taught grayson everything. grayson was his partner in crime. >> yeah. >> and he adopted grayson two years ago. >> we're sorry for your lose and everyone is thinking about you and praying and you guys be well. thank you so much for appearing here on cnn. you take care, okay? >> thank you. >> thank you, shanna. thank you, sandy. appreciate it. for more information how you can help tornado victims go to cnn.com/impact. we'll be right back. charmin ultra soft has so much cushiony softness, it's hard for your family to remember they can use less. sweet pillows of softness! this is soft! holy charmin! oh! excuse me!
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california governor gavin newsom saying this weekend, and i quote, if that is the precedent, we'll let californians sue those who put ghost guns and weapons on our streets. mirroring the texas law, the proposed legislation would allow anyone to sue anyone who manufactures a ghost gun or parts in the state of california. and those people could be fined at least $10,000 per violation. joining me now to discuss, the
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author of "awakening: ladies, lies, leadership, and the lies we've been told." you know california law, you know law across the country. is this sort of fighting fire with fire? what do you think? >> well, you know, we know, don, that justice sonia sotomayor warned us about this in the texas abortion case. she said the court is setting a dangerous precedent, and other states would start to model what the texas legislature has done. that's what the california governor is doing, and some may say it's performative. that legislature, states, cannot enact laws that subvert the constitution. but he's getting tremendous praise on social media from progressives, from democrats who are saying two can play this game. if republicans can go after abortion laws and try to
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restrict constitutional rights to abortion in the way they have with this texas abortion law, california can do so with respect to gun laws. which we know is something that republicans hold very dearly. we don't know what will happen, but it's definitely getting a lot of support from those who are very concerned about the texas abortion law. >> a couple of things you said. we don't know what will happen. some say it's performative. is it a legal path, or is it a stunt, or too soon to tell? >> i don't think it's a stunt. he was outraged by the 5-4 supreme court decision that just came down, and they set a dangerous precedent by allowing the state of texas to deputize citizens, and allowing them to circumvent -- >> can you imagine the gun
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supporters, their heads would pop off if this gained traction. >> but women's heads and pro-choice heads who believe that women have the right to abortion, our heads are popping off because of the court's ruling in the texas state. and judge sotomayor warned us of this. some are calling it performative, but i don't think it is at all. i think it's a legitimate case to be made. if it can be done with abortion laws in the state of texas, it can be done in the state of california. >> the spuupreme court claim th just followed the law. but could moves like the governor's factor into the conservative justice's calculations? wait a minute, i'm not sure about this. >> it is a conundrum. if they are going to allow the texas abortion law to stand, it would be hypocritical, it would
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be rank hypocrisy for them to rule a law like the one that governor newsom is proposing to somehow be unconstitutional. the court will have to get itself out of this pickle. what they're doing with respect to this texas abortion law is being guided by this zealous quest that some on the court have had for years to overturn roe v. wade. so will they put at issue other laws like the second amendment, other constitutional rights like the second amendment, that remains to be seen. i think it's a bold and brilliant move on the part of gavin newsom, and the court will have to deal with it. >> thank you, and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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good evening from mayfield, kentucky, one of the hardest-hit towns in the hardest-hit state after one of the deadliest and most destructive tornado outbreaks this country has ever seen. we got extensive reporting from here tonight. we begin, though, first with breaking news from washington where the house select committee investigating the january 6th riot has just approved a criminal contempt of congress referral against former white house chief of staff mark meadows. now, that comes as the committee releases extraordinary evidence -- we don't use that word extraordinary lightly, detailing what meadows and others in the white house did and did not do in the hours leading up to the deadly attack, and laid out in painstaking detail the case to hold mr. meadows in contempt.
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