this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and of course all around the world. i'm rosemary church and i want to get you straight to our breaking news. the world's top men's tennis player has just won a legal battle in an australian court. a judge in melbourne overturned the cancellation of novak djokovic's visa and ordered him to be released from immigration detention. the ruling comes one week ahead of the australian open and just

days after djokovic's visa was canceled on arriving in australia. at that time authorities determined he did not qualify for a medical exemption from the country's covid vaccination requirements for entry. cnn is covering all the angles and phil black is in melbourne following the latest developments and cnn world sports patrick snell is joining us from here in atlanta with what could come next for djokovic. phil black in melbourne, let's go to you first. talk about the decision here and how it came to be because it has surprised all of australia and a lot of people outside of the country. >> reporter: so, rosemary, djokovic's lawyers argued that the process in which novak djokovic had been pulled aside at the airport last thursday morning, questioned, left alone in a room, asked to present his

case, asked to provide evidence on why he should be let in, that whole examination, that scrutiny that he went through when he first arrived, his lawyers have argued that the procedure there was wrong, that it was unfair, that it was often unreasonable. proper rules and processes hadn't been followed. and crucially when it comes to one key point in the time line there, the lawyers really focused on the fact that at one point in the morning djokovic had asked until 8:30 a.m. melbourne time on thursday morning to be able to speak to lawyers and so forth before he was able to give any further comment on the questions that were being put to him and the border officials intention at that point to cancel his visa. instead he was essentially told that it's now or never. at this point it was still only around 6 a.m. in the morning. they said there's no point in waiting further. have you got anything further to say? he said there's nothing else i

can add. based upon that period of time, that difference of say two hours, the judge has found that he was treated unfairly, unreasonable and for that reason has overturned the decision to cancel his visa and ordered that he should be free. within half an hour of that verdict that means he is free now somewhere in melbourne. the question is will he stay that way. and that is really up to the federal government and specifically the immigration minister alex horton because it was flagged in court by the government's lawyer that alex horton could still and would consider using his own personal power to separately cancel djokovic's veegs is a. that would come with a three-year entry ban. that would obviously be hugely significant for the world's greatest tennis player who tends to come here every year around january to compete. the world's number 1 tennis player would suffer directly as a result of that. that's why the judge commented

in court that that would represent an escalation to where we were before as opposed to the deescalation. we wait to hear now because it does come down to the australian government to determine what that next step will be. will they accept the judgment or will they not? if they do not, he could be in custody again this evening. if he does, he is free presumably to begin his preparations unmolested in any way to start playing in the australian open next week. >> we mentioned at the start what a surprise this was for australians who have had to endure lockdowns, melbourne in particular. 260 days in total lockdowns there. people have had to abide by pretty draconian rules and now we see the top male tennis player allowed to stay even though he was not vaccinated. he was told at the end of 2021 that they were the conditions and he hasn't abided by them so

tell us about the reaction across australia to these decisions. >> reporter: well, the context that you describe there is exactly right. it goes a long way to explaining the initial outrage. when djokovic claimed he was coming here and received an exemption to play. there was a lot of frustration because this is a country that has in many ways on an individual personal level been tough in the course of the pandemic. there have been long lockdowns, long closures as well. families have been separated for a long time. businesses have been suffering. there is one rule for everyone else and one rule for the world's number one tennis player. that triggered the outrage. that also to some way inspired the government's response, which was rules are rules and they

should apply to everybody equally. perhaps also explains the scrutiny djokovic underwent when he arrived at the border. it is unlikely this will not be met favorably by broad sections of the australian public. it is certainly an embarrassment to the australian government. so that is why it will be fascinating to see what the australian government decides to do next, whether or not they accept this order and the embarrassment that comes with it or whether they're prepared to go out of their way to look as strong as they possibly can and through the immigration minister essentially cancel his visa unilaterally perhaps with the implication that it means novak djokovic would be able to return to australia within the coming three years. >> patrick snell, let's go to you now. you're here in atlanta. let's talk about the

implications here for the world of tennis because this has a lot of impact on other tennis players there who did abide by the rules, who did make sure that they were vaccinated and do as they were supposed to do. so here we have a situation where djokovic was not vaccinated. he apparently had a positive covid test on december 16th. there's a lot of questions about that as well, but talk to us about what this means for him as a player and the other players who were preparing for the australian open. >> reporter: it has been a momentous few days. this is potentially an ever changing situation. who knows. but, look, i just think it speaks volumes that novak djokovic was willing to put himself through what he has done for the last few days. why? because he's absolutely desperate to compete at the australian open. he wants to win a tenth aussie open crown but in addition to

that he knows if he can win once again in melbourne, it would give him a 21st grand slam title and that would make him the most successful player in men's tennis history in terms of grand slam titles. other players have been weighing in. let's just put up a full screen of the major tournaments coming up. as of now djokovic is going to be competing in the australian open. we still need that to be fully rubber stamped. that one starting a week today. then we have the french open in paris, wimbledon later on this year in london and later on in new york city for the u.s. open. that's the time line in terms of grand slam opportunities trying to get number 21. rafa nadal, the spanish legend, also trying to get to number 1. a day ago he must have thought his path potentially to that title looked a lot clearer. not so as of right now but we

shall see. there's other quality players out there. nadal is interesting. he came out showing off his sympathy as well. he was saying, look, i do have sympathy to some degree for djokovic, this was a few days ago, but saying, look, the solution, he knew it well, was simple. he could have avoided all of this, rosemary, said nadal, if he just got vaccinated to enter australia. >> yeah. exactly right. phil black in melbourne. patrick snell here in atlanta. many thanks to both of you for joining us. appreciate it. i want to bring in david law now. he is co-host of the tennis podcast and joins us live from london. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> so how is this australian court decision playing out around the world even as people of course now start to digest what it actually means and as we wait to see if this is the end of it and whether, indeed, djokovic does eventually play in the australian open?

>> reporter: i think it's very much a mixture. i think confusion, amazement really at what a mess has been made of this whole process from the fact that he was stopped at the border and told his visa was canceled and then the ensuing days that have followed. inasmuch as there is still not clarity whether he's going to be able to play or not. apparently there are police at his lawyer's office right now and there are discussions undergoing as to whether he's going to be re-arrested and deported and his visa canceled again without any further process other than the ministers in australia deciding that his situation is not in the public interest so there's confusion and annoyance that 90% of the players are vaccinate and he's

not. within australia, particularly in victoria, there's more than 90% vaccination. this's anger that he may be able to play on that level. there is anger from many of his supporters and some of the players as well that he is being detained in this way when, as the judges said, what more could this man have done other than get the exemption that he got, presented it, and that he should be allowed to go and play. there's mass confusion. frankly, it's a mess. >> definitely it is. australia has been extremely tough when it comes to getting vaccinations and djokovic was told at the end of 2021 that he would need to be vaccinated. that message was very clear. now we're getting this very mixed message from the courts and if the government of australia pursues this, i mean, they've already got egg on their

faces, haven't they? this could end up being incredibly messy. >> it could. it's difficult to know what would be the best course of action for them. they've made a royal mess of this. at the same time they don't want to back down and they don't want to be saying to the australian public, we've messed this up, we've let him in, here he is play tennis and live this incredible life whilst all of you who have been made to be vaccinated have to go about your business a different way. which course of action do they snake do they send him home which on one level given a judge has presided over the case and said he has done nothing wrong seems the wrong thing to do or do they let him in when they've also made it very clear that they don't think that he should be in? it's an impossible position that they've got themselves into which he hasn't helped.

if you believe that he should have been vaccinated, and frankly the tournaments say that you should be. the authorities say you should be. that's the best course of action. he says he doesn't want to be and he appears to not be required to be if this exemption is to be believed. but the whole thing is just full of muddy water unfortunately. >> yeah. very mixed messages. david lord joining us live from london. many thanks. coming up here on "cnn newsroom," as the omicron variant drives up covid cases across the u.s., we will take a look at how it's disrupting education and pushing hospitals to the brink. plus, we are following the aftermath of a deadly apartment fire in new york. the latest on the investigation after this short break. arthrit. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon.

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at least 19 people including 9 children are dead after an apartment fire in new york city. authorities say it broke out sunday morning in the bronx, quickly spreading throughout two

floors. an open door at the apartment where the fire started sent heavy smoke throughout the building. many people could not find their way out. >> i panicked. i was scared. by the time i got to the exit and i had the mask on, i couldn't even see. i thought i went blind. i couldn't see. i was banging on my door to get back in. >> the fire commissioner says 32 people were also sent to hospitals with life threatening conditions. new york's mayor calls the fire one of the worst the city has seen in modern times. cnn's paulo sandoval has more. >> reporter: it took hours for fire investigators to locate physical evidence that confirms it was a space heater that initially started this fire that broke out just before noon on sunday. when that fire broke out investigators say that it wasn't the flames that caused so much death and destruction, but it

was the smoke. in fact, some of the pictures that you're able to see from the scene, you can actually see how that smoke was billowing out of windows even on floors of a 19 story building. we know at least 19 people confirmed dead and there is concern that that death toll could continue to rise. we know many of the dead are children simply adding to that heart break and much of the heart break the governor of new york saw firsthand as she spoke to some of those affected families. >> we are indeed a city of shock. it's impossible to go into that room where scores of family who are in such grief were in pain. to see it in a mother's eyes as i held her who lost her entire fa family. it's hard to fathom what they're going through, but i went table to table, helped children make their raman noodles and eat

their pizza and let them know one thing, that the mayor and i are united in this. we will not forget you. we will not abandon you. we are here for you. >> reporter: in the days ahead the community continues to come together. many members of the community are coming together going to a neighboring school serving as a temporary shelter making sure that those affected families have not just a warm place to stay, also a warm meal. back to you. >> all right. we turn now to the covid pandemic and a dire warning from experts on the u.s. health care system. new data from the department of health and human services show nearly 1/4 of u.s. hospitals have a critical staffing shortage. some states have deployed national guard troops to cover staffing shortfalls at hospitals and testing sites as health care workers get sick with covid themselves. the explosion of the highly contagious omicron variant has

pushed hospitalizations to near record levels. children are being hospitalized at record levels including kids at 2 years old who are too young to be vaccinated. many hospitals are being pushed to the brink. >> the health care system is not just designed to take care of kids with covid, but people with appendicitis, car accident victims and all of that is going to be more difficult. we have a large population of people that are not vaccinated. that sets up a pool of people who as they get infected will end up straining the resources we have in the hospitals. >> dr. eric tobin is a cardiologist and professor of molecular medicine at scripps research. he joins me from san diego.

thank you for talking with us and for all that you do. >> thanks, rosemary, and for all that you do. >> we are seeing skyrocketing covid cases in kids, particularly those not yet able to get vaccinated because they're too young, but also school-aged children whose parents have chosen not to give them their shots. how concerned are you about this situation? >> it is very concerning. seeing a rise in kids not just in la but other states as well. it is almost all in the unvaccinated. as you said, many of these kids age 5 and older in this country could get vaccinated. the other thing about omicron, there's a lot of upper airway replication of the virus. these are small airways in children. even those people who have a vaccine breakthrough could have some trouble as well. >> of course there's also

concern about mental health issues for kids who will be forced into learning virtually a game because schools will be shot down if too many teachers and students get infected. what is the solution here? >> this is a tough one. the transmissibility of omicron as you well know is unprecedented. hard to imagine we'll ever see a virus that can transmit at this level. so there are things we know work may not be fully effective. we need better masks. it's hard to get young children to wear masks, but bringing them together. the other thing of course that we don't do enough of is the rapid testing, not just one off testing but frequently ideally every day or every other day. they're in very short supply and they're a good screening tool but, again, the practical aspects are holding us back. >> and we're also seeing major disruptions at hospitals across

the united states with health care workers calling in sick due to covid leaving many hospitals struggling to fill the various shifts and forcing the closure of some urgent care facilities. california's solution is to allow health care workers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic t but that, of course, is raising its own set of concerns. what do you think needs to be done? >> we'd like to limit the time of isolation, but we don't want to promote further spread, especially in the health care environment. so having two tests as used in other countries would be a better way to say it's safe to go back. we're making compromises and that's not good. i think one of the other problems we're having is that in the united states because of the lower vaccination rates and lower boosters we are seeing

much more trouble than has been seen for severe disease in countries with high vaccination and high booster rates. >> let's talk about that because in the united states about 85.5% of all-americans 18 and over have received at least one vaccine shot which neens a few weeks, months maybe we could be looking at 85 1/2, maybe 90%. does that give you some sort of hope that this could perhaps be the beginning of the end of this pandemic? >> we never want to lose hope. we want to hope this population level immunity which will be bolstered will help get us interest. the problem of course is there are still going to be tens of millions of people unvaccinated. there's children below age 5 where there's no sight of a vaccine for many months to come. there's the under use of vaccine

between children ages 5 all the way up to 17. we have a significant problem. there's a lot of holes in that story of having this population level immunity that those who aren't vaccinated can basically derive benefit from. >> do you think the parents of those children can ever be convinced or have we just reached a point this is what we're going to have to live for? >> just this week the cdc advisory meeting it was a review of the myocarditis cases in children ages 5 to 11 and it was remarkable that there are only 12 cases in nearly 9 million doses and it's much less than 1/10 of the rare cases we're seeing in the teenage group. that was the main concern, and those 12 cases were self-limited. there were no m sequelae so we should have much more confidence now with these nearly 9 million doses in the u.s. that

children should get vaccinated. that's going to help our schools be able to stay open and thrive. >> get that message out to all of those parents who remain reluctant to move forward with these vaccines. doctor, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it and appreciate you. >> thank you. thank you very much. still to come here on cnn, top ranked tennis star novak djokovic has won a major legal bat until an australian court. we'll have more on this breaking news after the break.

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more now on our breaking news story this hour. tennis star novak djokovic has won his visa appeal and can now remain in australia to play in the australian open. the ruling comes just days after djokovic was detained in melbourne over issues with his covid-19 vaccination exemption. thank you for joining us, ben. >> thanks, rosemary. >> this court decision, it has shocked australians, but it's not over yet. what is the government's likely next move? and how much messier could this potentially get? >> christopher tran said he

could rescind his visa. they have opportunity to recancel the visa and restart the proceedings anew. the ruling was on fairly small technical grounds and procedural grounds on what happened when he was being retained. he wasn't given proper time to consult with people, proper access to his phone, documents, things like that. i think the australian authorities could say, hey, that was not right the first time, let's recancel it and do it all over and we'll get you this time. they're not letting it go just yet. >> it has to be said, australia has been particularly tough when it's come to sticking to the rules and requiring covid vaccinations to all play ers an djokovic was told he would need to be vaccinated. so what message does this court decision send? >> it's pretty anttithetical

what the government wants. having someone like djokovic be be able to talk his way into the country without a proper vaccination like is required at the border and using an exemption granted by one party and it is seen as pretty flimsy. this is a high profile case. he's become a real political football in australia. he's seen as someone trying to be above and around the rules. there's not a lot of sympathy or time for someone as djokovic who's seen as flaunting his own individual wishes to do his own thing and not be part of the collective effort to get out of this thing together which has been part of the ethos here. >> the federal government made it clear where they stood.

then mixed messages from the government and tennis america. who dropped the ball and what will likely the consequences be? >> djokovic dropped the ball by not being vaccinated. he made this much tougher. none of this would have been happening if he got vaccinated like 97% of the tennis peer. it's been a high acceptance and they did do it because they understood vaccination would be required to come play the world's first grand slam in australia. tennis australia not communicating well to him how loaded the landscape would be here. i think he really dug himself a hole by victoriously announcing, hey, i'm coming, australia, with my permission exemption. it let australia get 24 hours of resistance to stop this. it was a very angry reaction that he was coming down for a tennis tournament.

this really outraged australians pretty much across the board. djokovic and tennis australia misread the temperature of the country and the national mood for what it would be for his very contested arrival. >> australians have endured some pretty draconian lockdowns so it's pretty tough when someone comes in and gets away with this. ben rothenberg, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. the fate of ukraine hangs in the balance as critical talks get underway between the u.s. and russia in switzerland. we are live in geneva and kiev. that's coming up. a health system on the brink how afghanistan is struggling to provide even the most basic health care. highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold! do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep? qunol sleep formula combines 5 key nutrients

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diplomats are behind closed doors at this hour discussing the fate of ukraine. the high stakes talks began a short time ago in switzerland. the americans want russia to end its troop buildup near the ukrainian border and the kremlin wants guarantees ukraine won't join nato. both sides have downplayed expectations. here's the u.s. secretary of state speaking to cnn's jake tapper. >> what about moving u.s. heavy weaponry out of poland, moving missiles, limiting the scope of u.s. military exercise? are any of those on the table? >> look, first, jake, i don't think we're going to see any breakthroughs in the coming week. we'll put things on the table. the russians will do the same, both directly with us, at nato at the usc and we'll see if there are grounds for moving forward. >> for the latest, cnn's sam kiley is live in the ukrainian

capitol of kiev and nic robertson is in geneva, switzerland. nic, these are high stakes talks. what are the challenges ahead of finding ways to avert war? >> reporter: the challenges are extreme, and i think they're exemplified with the positions both parties go into. deputy secretary of state wendy sherman coming into the same room as sergei rebekov. they're including diplomats and military officials. that tells you something about the nature of these talks. the united states is coming into these talks saying nothing about you without you to its allies and partners ukraine and its nato and european allies and partners. that is designed to send the message to russia that they're not going to talk about broader issues that are outside of a

very natural, narrow bilateral relations with the united states that could potentially include missile reductions in the future as long as they're reciprocal. the russians come into this thinking that they must get the united states to agree to changes in nato's posture so that the united states can help, if you will, force that through nato. the russian belief is that the u.s. holds a sort of most power at nato and without the united states on board and they also believe the united states is responsible in part for past errors of nato and expanding eastward so they want to single out the united states and get them to agree to something, whereas, the united states is going into this saying it is absolutely aligned and fully lashed up with all its partners pointing out the secretary of state antony blinken has had conversations with all those partners over the past few weeks. even going into this before you get down to the very nature of

the conversation both sides come at this from opposite perspectives. these are going to be very, very tough talks even to get off the ground. >> and, sam, to you now in kiev. what is the situation there as tensions rise and russian troops amass at the ukrainian border? >> reporter: rosemary, you've got over 100,000 russian troops massed not only on the eastern border but the northeastern border. there is a large amount of territory in ukraine poised now for several months. the front line in eastern ukraine is quiet for now, but the ukrainian foreign minister, mr. kiev, has just issued a statement referring to the talks going on not just in geneva but the talks that the ukrainians are going to have bilaterally with the nato secretary general also today in this week of frantic diplomatic time, let's

call a spade a spade he said in english. the russians are demanding an ab b rogation of the off vern at this of ukraine. by that he means nato pull back to the status quo going back to 1997, a period in which a large number of east european states began to join the european union, cut ties with the soviet union and eventually join nato to come in under the security blanket of the nation such as the baltic states, very anxious, indeed, almost perpetually about a future russian invasion. very keen for the states to join nato. that is what has so angered vladimir putin. the two sides very, very far apart. the ukrainians reinforcing this idea that no talks should be

conducted about or even concerning their sovereignty without them being at the table. that's going to be a leap throughout this week and that has been the ukrainian position as it has been all the other eu states. georgia will be meeting later on this week alongside nato with senior military officers. >> all right. our thanks to nic robertson in geneva and sam kiley in kiev gentleman kazakhstan's president is calling the recent violent protests in the country an attempted coup but says constitutional order has been restored. he made the remarks during a virtual summit with leaders of the russian-led military alliance he called in to restore calm. at least 164 people are dead and nearly 8,000 others are being detained after the crackdown on protests. the demonstrations began over a spike in fuel prices and

expanded over government corruption, poverty and unemployment. afghanistan is facing an unprecedented humanitarian crisis. the international rescue committee aid group warns that more than 90% of the country's health care centers are on the verge of collapse. it's due largely to the suspension of international aid since the taliban swept back into power. earlier cnn spoke with a representative from doctors without borders and she said they are seeing the impact of the crisis every day. >> the people of afghanistan in the first place is beautiful people. so they continue with coping but as i want to mention last night, for instance, we received the body of a woman who delivered at home. she could have delivered safely at our facility but most likely

she did not have the transport to come to our facility and then she complicated at home and she died at home. and this is daily stories that we receive about people who are really suffering and cannot access health care because of problems with income, problems with transport and inaccessibility. >> and she also said afghan families are foregoing vaccinations for their children against diseases like measles because they have to spend the little money they have on food. a court in myanmar has sentenced a leader awning sung

su ki. in december she was sentenced to four years on charges of incitement and breaking covid-19 rules. that sentence was later reduced to two years. she denies all charges. and still to come on cnn, while parts of the u.s. prepare for some bitter cold weather, others have dealt with the threat of tornadoes. we will go to the cnn weather center for the forecast just ahead. what if i sleep hot? ...or cold? no problem, the sleep number 360 smart bed is temperature balancing so youou both sleep just righ. and it senses your movements and auautomatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. so, you can really promimise better sleep? yes! you'll know exactly how well you slept, nightt after night. we take care of the science. all you have to do is sleep. don't miss our weekend special. save up to $1,000 on sleep number 360 smart beds. plus, 0% interest for 24 months on all smart beds. ends monday.

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omicron variant is up around the world. starting today italy will require a super green pass to access most areas. it's only granted to those who are fully vaccinated or have recovered from covid with no option for a negative test. and italian officials say vaccinations have tripled among people 50 and older. last week the government made the shots mandatory for that age

group. frigid arctic air is in store for parts of the u.s. around 13 million people are under wind chill threats across the upper midwest and northeast. a lot to get our heads around here. cnn meteorologist pedram javaheri joins us to break it all down. what do you think, pedram? >> rosemary, incredible setup when it comes to the extent of this cold air, where it will end up in the next couple of days. we're talking about in some spots as much as 40 degrees below average. it is the middle of january. you expect temperatures and averages to be cold. we're talking about in places these wind chills are 45 below zero. that's around northern minnesota. it's a monday morning. in minneapolis you could see wind chills approach 45 below zero. at these values school closures are set in motion there. any time you get to wind chills

35 or lower, you don't want kids outside waiting for a school bus in such temperatures. that's getting quite close to it in the mornings across cities such as minneapolis. look at the lows. low temperatures when you don't factor in the wind chill. down to 5 below. 9 above is what is ankedverageds time of year. 9 above and 19 above is what is the average this time of year. you'll see that playing out where temps drop down into the single digits. that cold air, quick mover. it ends up tuesday morning into wednesday morning. that's when the heart of the cold is in place. wind chill advisories in interior portions of new england could get as low as 35 below zero. very dangerously cold wind chills and a couple of weeks in advance of when we typically see the coldest air in america.

climatologically that happens at the end of january to the beginning of february. we're a couple of weeks ahead of time. central park is at 15 degrees midday. last time was three years ago that we were this cold. temps this cold in the afternoon at central park, rosemary, have only happened on ten occasions. you think 30 plus years of weather across the region and only a handful of times have we seen it get this cold. pretty incredible stuff. >> really is. unbelievable. pedram javaheri, appreciate it. the golden globes was a private event this year with no televised ceremony, no audience and no live stream. organizers said the scaled down event was due to the surge in covid-19. nbc announced last year it would not broadcast this year's awards following a controversy over the lack of diversity. among the winners announced online sunday were jason is

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hello and a very warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and right around the world. i'm isa soares in london and right here on "cnn newsroom." we are, indeed, a city in shock. >> i haven't seen anything to this magnitude in a very, very, very long time. >>