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words, overturn the election. the president went on to say also that he would possibly -- or he dangled pardons for the attackers, the insurrectionists on january 6 if he was reelected as president. we want to talk more about the ongoing threat to democracy posed by the former president, who talked, as i said, about overturning the election. that's what he said in a statement yesterday. it came a day after he said this about members of the violent mob that attacked the capitol. he said, if i run and if i win, we will treat those people from january 6th fairly. we will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. joining me now is someone who could have lost his life defending the capitol, nearly did, michael fanone. michael, thanks for being with us. what goes through your mind when you hear the former president

saying that about people who -- and dangling pardons in front of the people who had attacked you and others that day? >> yeah, i think my initial reaction was, which political prisoners are you referring to from january 6th? are you talking about the guy that drove a taser into my neck and electrocuted me to the point at which i suffered a heart attack? or are you talking about the guy that tried to take my gun out of my holster and try to kill me with it? or, i don't know, the guy that beat my buddy pat over the head with an aluminum baseball bat? i don't know. it's more outrageous rhetoric from america's ex-president. >> and -- and it's rhetoric backed up by current members of congress, the senate, who have said, you know, there weren't weapons there that day. >> yeah, i mean, that's just absolute crap.

there were weapons of every kind to include firearms. they were present that day. there were firearms recovered at the rally prior to the insurrection at the capitol. there were firearms recovered on the grounds of the capitol. there were individuals who were arrested in the days leading up to the january 6th insurrection, who, you know, by their own admission, were there to attend the rally and brought firearms. i -- i don't know why that continues to circulate, but, again, it's just bologna. >> as a law enforcement official, i wonder how you square anybody saying they back the blue and stand for law and order, while also saying they'll support a president who talks about pardons for attackers who attacked you and others? >> yeah, i mean, again, i -- i

certainly wouldn't -- i wouldn't say that republicans have a monopoly on hypocrisy, but they do -- or at least there can be an argument made that they've got a monopoly on cowardice. i've seen all of these republicans who over the past weekend were tweeting out support for law enforcement, especially in the wake of two police officers' murders in new york city, one of which i attended this past friday. but while they support law enforcement in scenarios like that and claim to be the party of law and order, you know, they seem unable to condemn the rhetoric from their own party's leader, donald trump. i'm curious as to what kevin mccarthy and mike pence and mitch mcconnell think and all

the other republican lawmaker whs who stay quiet and don't vocalize their outrage. or if they do, they do it in a very tempered fashion. people should be outraged by this. it's absolutely unbelievable. >> yeah, we hear time and time again, you know, from reporters and others who say that, you know, we talked to these folks, the folks in congress, privately. often they say they disagree with what's happening -- you k know, they say it in private, but in public they don't come forward with what's in their hearts or their heads or the concerns they have or the outrage they allegedly have. >> yeah, i mean, some of those lawmakers have said the same things to me. >> they've actually said that to your face? >> yes. and i give them a lot of credit for, you know, for saying that to my face. but i tell them, you know, like, i get it.

the risks are high. you might lose your good government job. but on january 6th, the stakes were a hell of a lot higher for me and hundreds of other police officers that responded to defend the capitol and their lives that day. so, that just doesn't, you know, pass the muster with me. i couldn't care less about you getting reelected. i'm more concerned with the future of your democracy. and right now it's in jeopardy. and, you know -- and donald trump is -- he's the -- he's a problem. >> the -- you know, i don't -- this weekend, we heard the former president encouraging, saying that in cities where he is being investigated he hopes there are, you know -- people go to and have massive turnouts and protests and to object to the fact that law enforcement

personnel are investigating -- investigating him in atlanta or new york. does it worry you that this person, who encouraged people to come to the capitol on january 6th, who then encouraged people and claimed he was going to march to the capitol with people on january 6th, is still encouraging mobs, rallies, protests against law enforcement personnel? >> absolutely. i mean, he -- he still has a great deal of support in this country, and many of those supporters have already proven, like they did on january 6th, that they're willing to commit violence on his behalf. and, i mean, there's just no bottom to what it is that he's willing to say. he's, like, america's crazy ex, and he's just decided that if he

can't have us, no one can, and he's going to tear apart our democracy, our country, if he can't, you know, get reelected. >> you talked about two officers in new york who were shot to death responding to what initially sounded like a routine, you know, disturbance in somebody's house. a mother complaining about an altercation with her son. what was that like, to be there last week? i mean, those images of, you know, just rows and rows of police officers, to stand amongst that? what was that like? >> i mean, there was something -- first of all, it's difficult. it's difficult to see any police officer lose their life. i think for -- for us, that is, the police community, i internalize it. and i take it very personally. but then also there's something

awe inspiring about those types of turnouts for police officers' funerals. i remember vividly when gin lieu and rafael ramos' funerals, when i attended those. and it's incredibly comforting to see that police officers all over the country and in many instances all over the world, would come out to support a fellow officer and their family. >> mike fanone, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> yes, sir, thank you. more evidence now on the former administration's attitude to the public they were supposed to be serving. the attitude seems to have been, at best, one of disregard, at worst, outright contempt. the issue is the habit, including the former president, of tearing up records, records the january 6th committee now has. ryan, the national archives put out a statement about the white house documents handed over to the january 6th committee.

what did you learn from that? >> yeah, anderson, this was in response to our reporting. we had learned that the january 6 committee was in possession of documents that had been torn up and basically taped back together after they received them from the national archives. so, we asked the archives about it, and they confirmed that these documents they had received from the trump white house at the end of his administration had come to them torn up and that they had to repair them. this is part of the statement they issued to us earlier today. it said, quote, these were turned over to the national archives at the end of the trump administration, along with a number of torn up records, that had not been reconstructed by the white house. the presidential records act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the national archives at the end of their administrations. now, we know that this was a habit that the former president, dating back to as late as 2018, where he would just tear up documents. and there was even a period of time where there were white house staffers that would come in behind him and tape them back

up so that they would be available for the national archives. the fact that it was still going on right up to the end of his administration and now some of those documents are of interest to the january 6th select committee is very significant, anderson. >> we've learned former vice president mike pence, what's the significance of that? >> we don't know too many significants about that itself. many of these interviewed had been taken in person because of the omicron surge. this is one of the first we learned took place in person. we know there is a very special interest in marc short and the role he played in the days leading up to and on january 6th. he was one of if not the former vice president mike pence's closest advisers. he was on a key meeting on january 4th, where former

president donald trump's advisers were putting pressure on him. the former president put out that statement yesterday where he suggested that mike pence should have overturned the election. that came after the conversation with marc short. but this is something that the january 6 committee has long suspected as being one of the big problems and issues that led to the violence and chaos on that day. you can bet that was a big part of their conversation with marc short. >> ryan nobles. thank you. coming up next why not even the former president's remarks on the weekend and the ongoing threat to democracy is enough for skeptical republicans to disavow him. russia's war machine with a large and dangerous portion of the russian army amassing on the border of ukraine. we've got an interesting look at a group of irish fishing boats confronting the russian navy. so take care of that heart with lipton. because sippin' on unsweetened lipton can help support a healthy heart. lipton.

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weekend. in the space of just a weekend, the former president has lamented that his vice president did not help them stage a coup. he's promised to pardon the foot soldiers of that coup, and threatened to unleash mobs of people on anyone who's investigating anything about it in various cities. it's quite the trifecta, three items we would never associate any other former president with. this former president is also a potential future president, hence the concern. joining us, kirsten powers, "learn to coexist with people who drive you nuts," a book we all need and i have read and greatly enjoy. also stewart stevens, former romney presidential campaign adviser and author of many books "it was all a lie: how the republican party became donald trump." when the former president

suggests he will pardon insurrectionists when he's elected to the white house again when he urges unrest if he faces criminal charges, what does it mean for the republican party and the rule of law? >> i think it would be hard to overstate how -- what a critical moment this is. i think that sometimes people can think, well, people are always talking about how donald trump is a problem. but, you have lawrence tribe on earlier, who is a legendary legal, wrote a book on constitutional law, saying donald trump could be indicted for the things he's done. and a lot of times people say, look at other countries and say, how did that authoritarian get into power? and this is the way they get into power. they do it right in front of your eyes and they talk about it. and that's what donald trump is doing. he is just out loud saying exactly what he thinks should have happened and what he would like to happen in the future. and he's, you know, made it pretty clear if he's talking

about pardons, he's thinking about being president again. and he's somebody who literally said that the vice president should have overturned the election. >> stewart, the vice president should have overturned the election. this is the guy who encouraged people to come to washington, d.c. for a wild event on january 6 and then had speakers talk to them about trial by combat and action, and, you know, get tough and said he was going to march with them to the capitol. and here he is encouraging crowds to descend on cities where law enforcement personnel are investigating him. it's extraordinary. >> it is extraordinary. when donald trump runs for president again, which he's going to do, and i think he will be the nominee, the vetting process is going to be revolve around one issue, will you vote

to overturn the election if we don't win? this is something that's never happened before, and if we don't react to it, it's just going to be part of a process that always happens when autocracy take over of a normalization of the illegal. i mean, what you were talking about earlier, the ripping up of these documents, this was just a pattern inside the white house. they held an rnc convention at the white house. and it's just going to continue until somehow the republican party is going to, i think, have to be defeated because i don't think that anyone inside the republican party with any support is going to be an alternative to trump. >> you know, it's interesting, kirsten, i've been following a coup taking place over the last number of days, and there have been a number of coups in a

number of western african countries, chad, central africa in chad's case. when you think about it, you think who are the people who did participate in this and how would they go along with it? it would never have occurred to me in prior years that we would have people in this country, even in leadership positions or in the orbit of leadership positions who would go along with something like this. and then you hear about mike flynn and this other former general writing up insane executive orders for the president potentially to sign about the military seizing voting machines and field marshall flynn. it is -- it sounds insane, but the insane doesn't sound so insane now because the president is continuing -- the former president is continuing to repeat this and may run again on this. >> it's terrifying. i really find it terrifying.

and i agree with you that in the past it was unthinkable. pre-trump, it was unthinkable that these kinds of things could happen. honestly, even when donald trump was president, it wasn't completely unthinkable that january 6th would have happened, but it was mostly unthinkable. i think we were all shocked by it. so, what else is going to happen that we haven't thought of and we haven't expected? and i think people do tend to make excuses, say things that people aren't serious about the things that they're saying, that the institutions will stand, that, you know, the institutions will be strong enough until they aren't. and so we have to take this seriously. this is a person who does not care about america. this is a person who only cares about himself. he doesn't care about the people, the january 6th people, the way he's saying he's going to pardon them. he doesn't care about them. he doesn't care about his supporters. he care about himself. he cares about getting back in power. and if he gets back in power, if

he can pull it off, it will be the last election this country sees at least for a very, very long time. >> i'm going to have to leave you there. we're having some technical issues. i really appreciate it. thank you. up next, two stories about confronting russia. breaking news on the latest. i'll also talk to a u.s. congressman who has returned from a fact-finding mission from ukraine. and donie o'sullivan reports on the russian military. we'll explain ahead. ♪ and power... ...is a very good thing. ♪

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now a cnn exclusive report on the january 6th investigations. sources tell cnn the former vice president chief of staff testified before the committee last wednesday. it's the most ig siff nant sign to date that former vice president mike pence is cooperating with the probe. there's also breaking news tonight as well in russia, as russia's responded in writing to the united states' latest attempt to deescalate the crisis in ukraine. i spoke earlier about the threat with democratic congressman david cicilline who sits on the foreign affairs committee and recently returned from a fact finding trip to ukraine. congressman, what did you see and hear in ukraine? did it feel like a country on the brink of being invaded?

>> i think the ukrainians have been dealing with russian aggression for a number of years, so we met with the foreign minister, the defense minister, president zelenski, and left with the impression that the ukrainians understand the seriousness of the threat. but they're also going on with their daily lives. i think the president was very clear that he doesn't want his country to panic and face devastating economic consequences. but, you know, it's very clear that they're working closely with the united states and their allies to prepare for the worst. and they're really addressing a very fundamental way the russian misinformation campaign that is claiming that ukraine is the aggressor. there's no question about it, vladimir putin and the russian federation are the aggressors here. ukraine is a democracy, and ukrainians are prepared to fight to defend their democracy. >> is it clear to you why the white house is saying a russian invasion is imminent while zelenski has down played that?

>> yes, i think it's very clear the russians have in access of 100,000 troops on the border. they have been engaged in a serious misinformation campaign to try to destabilize ukraine. they -- they invaded and took part in ukraine when they took crimea. so, the ukrainians have been dealing with this aggression. this is a significant military buildup on their border. i don't think anyone knows for sure what vladimir putin is doing or intends to do, but those indications make this a serious threat. i think what president zelenski is saying is that he understands, that but he also understands that it's important that he protect the economy of ukraine, the investment environment, the daily lives of ukrainians. so, i think he's doing what mostly do, not panic the people, but do the preparations that are necessary to defend his country. and i will tell you, you know, vladimir putin is threatened by ukraine because it's a democracy right on his border. and the russian people can see life with freedom right across the border. so, he's really threatened by

the democratic -- ukraine. but the reality is we cannot allow vladimir putin or any other dictator to change the boundaries of a country by force and to take on a sovereign country, a democratically elected kofrmt to rebuild the soviet union. >> you saw the u.s. and russia ambassadors clash today. how long is the window for diplomacy open? >> well, i think everyone hopes that there will be a diplomatic off ramp that somehow vladimir putin will realize that the international community is prepared to come together and impose crushing sanctions that will cripple the russian economy, that will impose real penalties on the oligarchs who support him. and so, the fact that we are unified, that he heard the message from nato and the european allies, the united states, that we are all on the same page, that if he takes a step to invade ukraine, he will

suffer serious consequences, really crippling sanctions. and i think the point is to make it clear to him that it's not worth this exploration. >> what do you think the ukrainians' expectations are in terms of the u.s. military involvement if there's an invasion? >> well, i mean, the ukrainians are seeking help not only from the united states but from many of their european allies both in terms of weapon systems and ammunitions and all the things you need to fight. but what really struck me is the ukrainian people incredibly proud and they are prepared to fight for their own country. and they made it very clear from -- everyone we met said, we are going to fight for our country. we're ukrainian. we have a right to live with freedom. and we're not going to allow vladimir putin to take over our country. so, they're a very proud people. they're ready to fight. but they're going to need support. they've done a lot to develop their military capabilities over the last several years, particularly since 2014. but obviously the russian army is much more powerful. so, they're going to need additional lethal support. they're going to need help from

their allies in the region. but these are people who are ready to fight to defend their democracy and their country. >> congressman, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> so, clear on the other side of europe there's a fishing community in ireland that's also staring down the russian military. donie o'sullivan has that story. >> reporter: you can imagine the two of us are here and next thing a rocket goes flying over your head and you're going, jesus. what was that? >> reporter: irish fishermen worried about rockets fired as part of a russian military exercise off the coast this week. >> it's our backyard. it's where we make our living. >> reporter: concern here in the bay, a fishing junkyard for the south coast, that russian drills could pose a threat to the safety of fishermen and the environment and fish stops. >> we're worried about damage to the fish docks and marine life.

and it's bound to interfere. >> fishermen like allen carlton had planned this week to go fishing off the irish coast, like he always does, despite warnings from the russian embassy in dublin that doing so could be dangerous. >> i get to look out for other ships and things like that. keep a look out for the russian navy. but hopefully we don't see them. >> at o'donoghue's pub on the harbor, locals worry about the russian military. >> fishermen are very anxious about the whole thing. >> people are worried. >> yeah. >> it is affecting our fishing. it's affecting our safety of people. >> reporter: fishermen turned diplomats. fishing representatives et many with the russian ambassador last week to express their concerns about russia firing rockets where they normally fish. >> when you went in to speak to the russian ambassador, what did you say to him?

>> well, first of all, we gave him some pause. >> if you had a question for vladimir putin, what would it be? >> maybe, don't affect the fish tax as much. >> reporter: and saturday night that's just what happened. the russians saying after appeals from the irish government and the fishermen themselves, russia would move its ships further out to see, away from the irish fishing boats. the news reaching this community by tweet. >> how do you feel? >> i feel really like -- i didn't think it would have an impact on international diplomacy. >> cheers. >> cheers. >> reporter: the news a relief for the whole community here. >> you must have felt relief and happiness. >> well, everybody did. everybody did. not taking as much tax, our livelihoods. >> hoping to have a good catch this week? >> hopefully.

>> and not catching any russian ships? >> new york definitely not, no. or any ships. >> donie o'sullivan joins. donie, i love you were able to work in a shot of guinness being poured in a pub into your piece on global conflict. >> reporter: only in ireland, anderson. and the irish government had had a role to play in some of this, but even the irish government who had been in contact with the russian ministry of defense, they thanked the fishermen here. a real win. it was the fishermen that brought global attention to this story. and now they have grand am bigss for their next diplomatic act. >> how long are you staying in ireland for? >> reporter: home to visit the family now after this for a few days. >> nice. >> reporter: so, it's happy endings on all sides, anderson. >> enjoy, enjoy. donie o'sullivan. thank you very much in ireland.

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embattled british prime minister boris johnson is said to head to ukraine tomorrow. all while the rest of england suffered through mandatory covid lockdowns. the report is intentionally vague, with some details kept private while police conduct their own probe. johnson went into damage control mode today appearing before parliament. >> i get it, and i will fix it. and i want to say -- and i want to say to the people of this country, i know what the issue is. yes, mr. speaker, yes. yes. it's whether this government can be trusted to deliver.

and i say, mr. speaker, yes, we can be trusted! yes, we can be trusted to deliver! >> cnn's richard quest joins me now along with harry hensen. richard, what's notable is that this report is far more damning than anyone thought it would be. and this is kind of the peared back version. >> oh, yes, we won't get the full week for many, many weeks until police -- look, there are 16 events over 12 dates that we're talking about. for example, on the 17th of december in 2020, there was a christmas quiz cathering for the departure of a senior official and another one at number 10. . time and again these officials were getting together after a long day's work -- which the report says is irrelevant -- and they were having drinks, going out buying booze, excessive drinking, a failure of leadership. no wonder today, boris johnson's

predecessor, theresa may, absolutely laid into him with a firm question of what were you up to? talk a listen. >> so, either my friend broke the rules or didn't understand what they meant or they didn't think the rules applied to number so. what was it? >> it's just brutal what's happening. and boris johnson in that earlier statement, he starts off by apologizing. and within seconds, he's already blaming everybody else. and he's not -- the contrition that he starts off by saying, i'm sorry, disappears. and tonight i think he's truly on the ropes. but whether he goes, that we'll have to wait for some time to tell. >> what determines whether or not he stays in power? >> trust. what happens with the metropolitan police report, what the final report says. and from johnson's point of view, which is what many people -- party gate, the more party gate goes on, the more people become relaxed about it. this is the picture.

look at the picture of the queen, her majesty, the queen, at the funeral of her husband, prince phillip at windsor castle. she's sitting there following the rules after 70-odd years of marriage being widowed and meanwhile he's having parties the night before at number 10. >> wow, harry, you've got new insight into boris johnson's poll numbers. >> they're awful. i mean, the way you can compare it is just look at joe biden who is not a popular guy and boris johnson's numbers make joe biden's number look like mother trena. boris johnson just 24%. joe biden 41%. to put it into american context, a 24% approval rating, if you look back, richard nixon had the same approval rating when he resigned the u.s. presidency in 1974. right? it's amazing. and only harry truman in 1952 had a lower approval rating than johnson's currently is. it is just a terrible rating. he has lost the trust of the folks.

and if you look at this, every u.s. president that had as low a rating as johnson either resigned or lost the next general election. his numbers are atrocious. >> so, what does history suggest about his future? >> i mean, the future is that at this particular point, if you look at the numbers, you say, okay, historically speaking, he's probably going to either lose or have to resign. and if you look right now and you look at the next general election between the conservatives and labor, you see that the conservatives now are down significantly. and if you look, his numbers are worse than 93% of all of the prime minister ratings since 1977, and it's the lowest -- the lowest -- for any prime minister since 2008. and i can tell you i was in college in 2008, and i'm a fairly old guy now. so, those are some pretty old numbers. >> what do you make of it? >> the next election isn't for several years. so, boris johnson's banking, because there's a forensiced term. secondly, there's nobody else. the reason the tories haven't thrown him out the window is because there's nobody else.

the chancellor is really not there to take over it. the foreign secretary probably they would say not ready. so, they are terrified. the big test will be at the local elections in may. how many local councils do they lose because as you know, like in this country, midterms are used to wreak revenge, if you will, or angst on the sitting government. johnson hasn't gone yet or he hasn't been thrown out because there's no one to replace him on the tori benches. >> i'm sure you were watching football this weekend. i just want to follow-up on the football talk last week. i was on a jet blue flight yesterday flying back to new york. and the person next to me was watching the game. so, i turned on the game, and i watched the last few minutes of the san francisco 49ers with the bengals -- no, the rams -- or the -- the goats on the heads. the rams. >> yes, yes, yes. >> it was fun to watch, i've got

to say. the shots were very exciting. there was a lot of swooping camera angles. i think costumes were great. it was a lot of excite m. >> the costumes were fantastic. this was the most exciting championship weekend pretty much ever since 1970. the two scores combined, the average margin was just three points. that's tied for the lowest ever. the thing i have to ask you, anderson is, will you watch the super bowl for me? >> i've tuned in occasional depending on the halftime -- >> it's going to be a great halftime. the production and costumes and the rest of the game are going to be unbeatable. >> richard quest, if you were there, maybe i would watch it. >> i'll invite you to a game of cricket. how about that? yes i love it. the bats and wicket. it would be a sticky wicket, wouldn't it? richard quest, harry inton, appreciate it. spotify making new changes to its platform after the streaming service and joe

rogan's podcast came under fire for covid-19 misinformation. details ahead.

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joe rogan is speaking out. he apologized in bringing on different viewpoints. >> i want to thank spotify for being so supportive during this time and i am sorry this is happening to them and they're taking so much heat from it. do i get things wrong? absolutely. i get things wrong. i try to correct them. when i get something wrong, i tried to correct it and i am interested in telling the truth and finding out what the truth is. i am interesting in having interesting conversations with people that have different opinions. >> spotify also changing its policies for the first time. spotify posted their long time platform rules after facing pressure from neil young.

spotify says they would add content and advisory of covid-19. joining us now the co-host of "pivot podcast," spotify is the latest string of high-profile big tech company finding themselves in this position, how did they do with the response? >> i thought joe rogan did a right thing. he was contrite, he talked about making mistakes and issues around his podcast getting so big. they used the word, "they don't want to be a content assessor," well, they're publishers, they are responsible for joe rogan so they should not act as if they are a benign platform that they happen to be on and they happen to pay him $100 million for. >> i have not looked at the full

10 minutes yet, i read certain lines he said in his apology. i was i am mpressed the fact th someone is willing to look at what they have done and you know i can get better at this and i want to have different points of views and we live in an age to walk in other people's shoes to have different points of view. i think joe rogan said untrue things about me in hurricane coverage years ago, i appreciate the fact that he's willing to reflect and do more research. he talked about being better informed which is important. >> right, some of the things he was talking about is different opinions and some of the stuff is facts. requires fact-checker, they can hire that and say this is not things that are inaccurate. he's tough on sanjay gupta.

that's okay. it is great to have different opinions, it is not great to put out incorrect facts. there is a difference. there is still is no matter how you slice it. >> what do you think neil young saying spotify should ban joe rogan. >> i think that's fine. they didn't like this bad information and so they were acting in their ability and they gave him quite a bit, neil young and tony mitchell and several others. that's within their rights and it is very common. you saw what happened at fox news when goldberg protested tucker carlson, it happens in media all the time. this is a media company. it should not be protected as a tech platform. it should not be protected by section 230 if they are making contents like cnn is.

>> you said on twitter spotify can't pretend it is a platform when it is a media company, what's the difference? >> well, it is both actually. it is a media company because they did a deal. they make podcasts and gotten deep in the podcast business. section 230 gives tech platforms broad immunity. but actually you would not because you want to get things right. a lot of tech companies have protected themselves by being able to not be responsible for what's on the platform but in this case, you know, spotify bought and paid for this content and is responsible for it. i think so and i think a lot of people do. >> i love having you on. >> appreciate it. >> coming up next, a word from a friend. kit™. new investors can open an account and get $50 to split across the top five stocks in the s&p 500®. you can also unlock short videos, step-by-step guides, and other easy-to-use tools

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