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always be. right now we as a family here, we miss him terribly. he was -- he was a great, lovely, kind, smart and funny man. he'll be forever missed. this is don lemon tonight.
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we'll treat them fairly and if it requires pardons, we'll give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly. >> there is no other way to put this, this is the former president of the united states throwing the rule of law out the window because insurrection is on january 6th were doing what he wanted them to do. he's admitting what january 6th is all about. not only saying the quiet part out-loud, he's putting it in writing. >> actually what they are saying mike pence did have the right to change the outcome and they want to take that right away. he didn't exercise that power, he could have overturned the
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election. >> that's a quote. in writing. did you ever think you would hear a former president who with his hand on the bible swore to preserve and protect and defend the constitution, did you ever hear him say he want to overturn an election? you may not want to hear from the disgraced president, one term president and twice impeached. i do get that. this is not just a defeated president, a loser. this is the former commander in chief defending the insurrectionists and haunted lawmakers at the halls of the capitol and saying threatening that really he would pardon them. so he would pardon this? this crowd dragging officer michael fanone down the steps
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and beating him and tasing him and one rioter shouting "kill him" with is own gun? he would pardon this? officer daniel hodges crushed by that crowd and screaming out. >> hel would pardon this? rioters threatened to hang his own vice president? >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence! >> in his speech he told the crowd to fight like hell. >> we fight, we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you are not going to have a country anymore. >> uh-huh. and now he wants to pardon the in si insurrectionists who did just that. while the rest of us watched in
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horror. >> do you remember what he said during the 2016 campaign seeming to suggest violence against hillary clinton. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. although the second amendment, people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> remember his threat the tough guys or whatever tough guys claim to supported him. a threat i should say tough guys supported him. today the white house calling him a threat to our democracy and unfit for office. what seems to have the former president's steam? the multiple ongoing investigations into his family and their business by prosecutors who happens to be black, prosecutors he call racist for daring to investigate
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him. >> if these radicalists and racial prosecutors doing anything wrong illegal, i hope we'll have the biggest protest in washington, d.c., in new york, atlanta and elsewhere because our country and elections are corrupt. >> you heard that. he wants the biggest protest we ever had, bloodthirsty vrioters storming our capitol is still fresh in our minds. no wonder the da is asking the fbi to help security the staff. there is a continuing gop brewing over president biden, him vowing to keep his campaign
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promised and nominate the first black woman to the court. susan collins claiming president biden politicizing his nomination. >> this is not the same. what was done in both cases and what president biden did was as a candidate making this pledge and that help politicized the entire nomination process. what president reagan said is as one of his supreme court justices, he would like to appoint a woman. he appointed highly a qualified one, sandra dale connor. >> huh? listen, i don't want to be disrespectful but maybe -- she's
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a sitting senator so just so who there is no mistake or misconstruing whatever this is so we can understand it. there is always a video tape. i want you to listen close, this is what ronald reagan said during the 1980 campaign. >> i am announcing today that one of the first supreme court vacancies in my administration will be filled by the most qualified woman i can possibly find. one who meets the high standards i would amend for all quarter appointments, it is time for a woman toll si sit among our hig j jurists. >> oh my god, he was wearing a tan suit. you heard what he said. >> it sounds similar to me. you judge for yourself. it sounds like what joe biden said during the 2020 campaign.
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>> if i am elected president and have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts, i will appoint the first black woman to the court, required that they have representations now is long overdue. >> okay, joe biden when he was a candidate vowed to appoint the first black woman to the highest court in the land, ronald reagan vowed to appoint a woman to the highest court in the land, what's the difference? let's think about that. what got republicans so worked out? ted cruz may be able to give us a clue. >> the fact that he's willing to make a promise at the out set that must be a black woman, i got to say it is feoffensive. black women are 6% of the population, he's saying 94% of americans, i don't give a damn about you. you are ineligible. if you are a white guy -- tough luck. if you are a white wo
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woman -- tough louck, you are nt qua qualified. >> he didn't say you are not ineligible. he didn't say you are not ineligible especially most of the supreme court justice are white guys. did ted cruz go to an ivy league school? come on man. there has been 108 white men. oh, you know no mathematician but it seems like an over majority to me. out of 108 men, two black men and five women. four of them white, one latino and now if you do the math that means -- zero black women.
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not one single black women. not yet. but the fact that has not stopped republicans like senator roger wicker from crying affirmative action. >> the irony is that the supreme court is at the very same time hearing cases about this sort of affirmative racial discrimination and while adding some one who's bieneficiary of this sort of quotaquota. >> please dude, when is there a quota when there is not any.
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so, that's really where we are tonight. this is where we are -- two presidents can say visualrtualle same thing and people see a difference because of what? these are where we are tonight. these are facts. this is not my opinion. this is where we are tonight. with people going back to that, i thought that language of quotas is done in the '70s and '80s when people started talking about that. republicans arguing over the race of a supreme court nominee who has not even chosen yet. a former commander in chief saying he wants to pardon insurrectionists who almost brought down our democracy, all over his big lie. i have said it before, justice matters. justices matter. truth matters.
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i want to bring in our polo reid, let's get right to it. trump has more than one exec t executive order and ready to go. what do you know? >> former president trump drafted two versions of executive orders of voting machines. one is directing the department of defense to seize the machines and the other is directing the department of homeland security to do so. that document has been handed over to the house select committee investigating the january 6th by the national archives. multiple sources tell cnn that a second version of the same document also exists but instructs dhs to carry out the same tasks. neither memo was issued but it shows the length trump's
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advisers willing to go to, to undermine the election's results. >> is it clear who drafted these unsigned executive orders? >> the idea of using the federal government to access voting machines was the brain child of retired colonel waldron and mike flynn. it is not clear who put pen to paper to draft the eo itself. rudy giuliani was the one spreading the efforts to challenge the election results. we learned rudy giuliani approached -- about seizing machines. he tells cnn his discussions with rudy giuliani never developed to a point of talking about executive order. we know the house executive
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committee is looking into this. >> paula, thank you for your reporting, i appreciate it. >> imagine what would have happened if the former president had sign that and voting machines had been seized? would the plot to overthrow your democracy would have worked?
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trump's advisers drafted two versions of executive order to seize machines as a plot to overturn the 2020 election. joining me now is deputy director andrew mccabe, a cnn's senior law enforcement analyst and counsel john dean. ge gent gentlemen, thank you so much. every time it gets worse. when you hear trump was pre preparing draft orders of these draft executive orders to use the power of the government to
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overturn the election, it is what we have seen from "10 pot dictators." what if he had signed them? >> this is the sly of democracy. that's what we are looking at here, right? and the irony or maybe i should say hypocrisy of this coming from the conservative, you know, side of our political life and the people who are constantly referring to the believes of the constitution to have a president who so dismisses the guidance of our constitution and proposes and taking these like these
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measures, it is startling. >> john, i feel like i am standing at the edge and zrezr screaming into the ocean every night, don't you guys see what is happening here? what if he had signed those? it seems to get worse every piece of evidence that comes out. >> john, that's an important question you are raising and the way you raised it because americans are very slow to recognize these kinds of problems. i watched it during watergate and how long it took for people to understand that nixon's abusive of power is a threat. if you look at history and how slow we were to realize the problem with world war ii. it is something inherit about a democracy that does not move
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quickly. people are watching this and wondering maybe this is an event and it will all ride itself and go away. that's not going to happen. we are the posy, we got to take care of it. this is not right. trump is not hiding what he has in mind. >> john, mike pence's former chief of staff, mark schwartz, he was with pence during the capitol attack. he participated in the critical white house meeting on january 4th, we are talking about a top aide here. is this a good sign that the committee will get the full picture even if pence does not testify? >> it certainly helps. schwartz is body that's a straight shooter.
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he was close to pence. he's also somebody that believes in the truth and was not trying to hide it from the committee. yes, he'll move us a little closer. he can't get inside the mind of trump or vice presidents pence. he can get closer to pence than trump. but it is important testimony and it shows how the committee is moving really right in on the target. >> you know what, andrew, as recently as this weekend trump was still blaming mike pence and admitted in a statement he was trying to get him to overturn the election. here the committee is trying to figure out what trump was thinking during the riot and he's essentially laying it out there. is there really my mystery here? >> i don't think so, don. he's always been the master of laying it out in front of people, kind of taking the sting out of the realization of whatever he's engaged in
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blatantly stating it. he's done that again here. the department of justice takes it seriously as well. if you are actually committed to following the facts and the laws, the attorney general says he is. these are facts that add to that pack. if you already projected that you are investigating the attempt to install fraudulent electors from the state, this is apart of the same whole effort of conspiracy if i may say. it is time for doj start to recognizing and qualifying these statements by former president trump in the wake that they are for the legal significance that they have. andrew, john, thank you very much. i appreciate it. the former president claiming the prosecutors investigating him are racist against white people and calling out a bunch of prosecutors who happen to be black. # with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo.
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. the former guy is back on the campaign trail. >> if these radicalizations and racist prosecutors do anything
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wrong or illegal, i hope we'll have the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d.c. in new york, in atlanta and elsewhere because our country and our elections are corrupt. >> joining me now is our senior analyst henderson and b bakari sellers. that panel is racist because we are all black. they're all black women so i am going to start with you neil. the key investigation into former president trump are being pursued by black prosecutors, two of them are women, right?
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this is not a dog whistle. it is a straight up bull horn, come on and some bull you know what. >> this is a favorite tactic of donald trump calling people of color racist. the washington post did an analysis of this, he's been three times more likely to call non-white people layracist as h been calling white people racist. he called the squad racist and he said yamiche alcindor was asking a racist question. so it is not a surprise and the base of spoupporters that suppo donald trump, these are white americans, do they think discrimination against white people is as common as discrimination against black people and latinos and other non white groups.
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it is a favorite tactic of his. he's very much of the patron saint of these white grievance audience that's been drawn to his presidency first and now his perhaps second one for if white house. >> another recent rally, the former geico vid t covid vaccas denied to the white people. nia, i am going to ask you that question because we don't have bakari. >> yeah, this is a very much a favorite strategy of his and works on his audience as well. essentially to say you are the victim of this kind of rising tide of black and brown america. if you think back of his arguments about 2020, his crazy arguments, that sort of the election was stolen from you,
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tru trump supporters like people in cities of atlanta and philadelphia, targeting urban and democratic areas where he knows black and brown people live and vote. this is part of his argument, this idea of make america great again really to turn back the clock, make america white again in the way that was not in the 1950s where white people had the power. >> it seems like -- >> there is bakari. >> he's back. ba bakari, maybe for the 2016 election that he was, he kind of stumbled into it. it was a hand in hand. now it seems much more intentional with things like white people, he's targeting that group so you know the
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oppress group. i stumbled into this so therefore i am going to act on it. >> he didn't stumble into anything, one of the things he use brilliantly is the same vein that people tap into with a southern strategy, he learns to use racism as a political currency. take away the feedact that dona trump is a racist, he realized that he can move voters. when you talk about browning of america and things like this fear or this angst that some people have that all of a sudden they're going to be replaced by black folks in the work force and culture and whatever it may be, you utilize that to drive them to the post and get the results you want. there are a few things. donald trump uses racism as political currency and he's scared as hell he may be
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indicted and you begin to see the ignorant when he becomes to use these racist troves. after this discussion, we'll all, all three of us will be deemed to be racist. you should see the mentions on social media, the conversations how they'll have on fox news how these three black people can identify what's going on in our country and diagnosed and all of a sudden is racist, it is truly ignorant. one of the things i thought was a benefit of donald trump getting elected was this country is finally having a discussion of race and racism. i had no idea that the discussion is going to be rooted in so much ignorance. i guess i should have known. >> where are the white people? >> they think it will turn to bet. >> they can watch all of cable
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news all day. >> nia, the three nomination process and the former president ram ramping up his reelection efforts, the drace is going to e turned up. >> oh, absolutely. america is perfect for this because america throughout history is an scapegoated black people and if you think of history, social progress has been followed by periods of white backlash. often the periods of white backlash are longer of the periods of social progress and there is this thinking and maybe america will quickly move past this and sitting up to donald trump's shenanigans.
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it could be that america embraces donald trump once again. should he run in 2024 and john dean have sort of talked about this, we sort of saw that in 2016. a lot of people saying oh, donald trump has a problem in terms of racism. no, it is about the economy and white people feeling disenfranchise about the economy. it really was a racial grievance politics that he played quite well and other republicans have played throughout the country or history and he's quite expert at it and america is right for this this sort of division. >> bakari, i was going to give you another question but i am biassed so i am going to give it to a woman. >> your audio drops. >> it was a racist signal that i had. >> i already know that signal.
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>> like donald trump, i am going to simply say that this supreme court race is going to show the division in this country how we have to lift up black women who are always pushed to the side. >> thank you, sir. thank you, ma'am. good to see both of you. >> see y'all. >> ted cruz called president biden's supreme court offensive all because biden promised to nominate the first black woman into court. stacey abrams' response after this. (vo) when you are shopping for a new vehicle, how do you know which brand you can trust? with subaru, you get kelley blue book's most trusted brand
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president biden promised to fill a justice seat by a black woman. ted cruz claims it is an insult. >> i got to say it is feoffensi.
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black women are 6% of the population. he's saying 94% of americans, i don't give a damn with you. he's saying it is an insult to black women if he can't say i am going to put the best jurist to court. i am not minating the person whs most qualified. he's not pretending to say that. joining me now to discuss, stacey abrams, she's the founder of fair fight actions. good evening, good to see you. senator cruz is not alone in making this argue but biden is far from the first president to make a promise like this. we should mention your sister is among those likely being considered for nomination. why are republicans so bothered binomial biden nominating a black
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woman. >> absolutely. president biden is someone who's willing to sit and serve the united states, he has also said that person will be a black woman. there is nothing mutually exclusive about that decision. for those who are keeping scores at home, ronald reagan made a pledge that he was going to fill the court with a woman. it feels a symbol. it was a symbolic gesture. that symbol is an important one because women are half of our country and black women are significant apart of our population more than anything. we need voices and we need experiences that reflect the whole of american society and this is one more step forward for our nation. >> let's talk about something that the former president is
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doing, making all kinds of bogus claims, floating the idea of pardoning january 6th erioters, calling the investigation into his business and racist, and admitting he's trying to over turn his election. how dangerous is it to our democracy when the former president is bragging about his coup attempt? >> his attempt to undermining our democracy. this is fact. we are watching at the same time he creates the air cover with his outrageous statements. we are watching state legislatures across the country put in place laws to undermine our democracy. right here in georgia we watched a county election board kicked off the last of the bipartisan r representations and proneeceed
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eliminate sunday voting. a world war veteran is being denied to vote by mail because he can't produce a registration number he got back in the 1950s. these are laws designed to keep people out of the voting booths and out of our democracy. whether it is the former president or current senators or current state legislatures or k candidates of secretary of states. we have to elect leaders up and down the ballot who's going to defend our democracy. that's one of the reasons john ossoff is running and warnock. we are going to focus and do what must be done. >> you only lost by 1.4% in 2018. the latest poll shows that you are neck and neck against incumbent brian kemp and david
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purdue, that's all too close to call. georgia is becoming the key battleground states over the direction of our country. what are you doing differently this time around? >> number one we are going to do what we did right the last time and that's reaching out to every georgian as close as we can. it is important to reach out to our resources in order to reach every voter. people are in pain. they want a governor who's not proud of his in-action, they want someone to lead a state of opportunity, that's what i intend to do. we'll reach out to the 1.3 million voters who join the roles of 2018, we know that 43% of these new voters are under the age of 30. we know 17 points higher for democrats than republicans to be the new people on the roles. more than anything, what we know is they are hungry for leadership. that's the kind of leadership i
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want to provide. i believe there is one georgia. we may not agree on the same issues but i like every georgian and i want to make sure we all have the opportunity to thrive. >> this is something i want to ask you about some time now, both your camp saying there was a scheduling conflict. you are known for your work on voting right. listen, i don't know what your schedule in conflict was. my being ignorant about that. it would seem to be something you would want to be at especially how important it is for the democratic agenda and how important voting rights is it to you. why was it not a priority for you to be there when the president came to town? >> it is always a priority for me to stand with president biden and i think if you look at my history, i have been an advocate
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and a cheerleader and i will always, always stand not only with president biden but on the side of democracy. i had a personal manner that did not allow me to attend a single speech. i think you know this as dear viewers, you don't judge someone by a single moment when things don't go exactly the way you want. you look at the totality of their behaviors, i believe in democracy and i fight for democracy, i work for voting rights. the president and i spoke that morning. he understood i had a challenge. we did everything we could to work together to make sure we move the balfl forward. the legislation did not move that day unfortunately, neither of us are giving up on it. i believe in president biden and his commitment to voting rights and the work we have done together and the work we continue to do will make progress possible for all of us and that's the most important metric. >> having heard that would seem
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that it is important for you to be there. this was not being seen or tied to a president who's polling is not so great right now or about teaching or sending a signal that he has not been strong enough on voting rights. >> don, i would say anyone who's watching, i don't send signals. i am fairly direct and straightforward about what i think and believe. i believe in president biden. i believe that he has delivered resource to the state of georgia and leadership to this country and he's going a great job. i believe ossoff and warnock are two of the best people. together we can work as governors and as president to move the state of georgia forward. i welcome president biden and the work he's done and the work he'll do. i put out statements before and after, more than anything, my
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statements about voting rights have been unequivocal. my statements about the president have been unabarbed and my commitment to getting good done for georgia is why i am running for office and why i have done the work i have been doing and why i need the people to support the future we have ahead of us working together for all georgians. i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for your candor. >> we are talking about the big prime minister's scandal taking over the u.k. that's next. age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond.
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take this, 16 parties, 16 of them including on ten downing street. the parties held whale the u.k. was under strict covid lockdowns. those lockdowns were so severe that queen elizabeth was forced to sit alone at her husband prince phillip's funeral. the u.k.'s leader offering a not so welcome apology. >> it isn't enough to say sorry. this is a moment in the mirror and we must learn. mr. speaker, i get it, and i will fix it. and i want to say -- and i want to say to the people of this country i know what the issue is. yes, mr. speaker, yes, yes, it's whether this government can be trusted to deliver and i say mr.
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speaker, yes, we can be trusted. yes, we can be trusted to deliver. >> so johnson is fighting for his political life with members of his own party saying they can't support him any longer. the prime minister, though, not giving in on calls to resign. looks like he's taking his political queues from this side of the pond. so we have breaking news tonight. they had multiple plans to seize voting machines. new details of trump's attempt to overturn the election after this. -had enough? -no... arthritis. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme.
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breaking news on the plot to overturn the 2020 election. sources tell cnn trump advisors drafted two executive orders to seize voting machines one to the pentagon and another to homeland security. plus, the former president dangling pardons for the