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good evening again. pfizer seeking emergency authorization to give kids as young as 5 months old its covid vaccine. and this from maggie haberman. the house january 6th committee is scrutinizing former president donald trump's efforts in proposing to seize voting mac machines. this springboards off the reporting that the call from rudy giuliani asking to conduct the seizing of voting machines was made at the direct behest of the former president.

he was actively soliciting action. and in maggie's words, the oval office was not just a bus stop. joining me now, select house committee member jamie raskin. congressman, i appreciate you being with us. we hear this breaking news about your committee looking into the former president's direct involvement in plans to seize voting machines through the department of homeland security. can you confirm that? >> it's an eye-opener, certainly, anderson. this is one thing we're looking into. i can't get into too much detail about it. there's been reportage about how there was an escalating attempt to find a department that would go along with this, whether

homeland security or the department of defense or the department of justice. and it looks like cooler heads may have prevailed at the last minute in certain points. but we're going to get all the details, generally what we're seeing is a series of tactics of escalating illegitimacy, engaged in by donald trump. starting with the perfectly legitimate even if ridiculous tactic of bringing 60 lawsuits alleging fraud and corruption that were thrown out by federal and state courts, including eight judges he put on the bench. and then he moved to go to the legislatures to get them to nullify the popular vote and to create pro-trump electoral college slates. when that didn't work, he crossed over to real election fraud, when we went to brad

raffensperger and other election officials to demand that they concoct votes. then when they didn't work, they moved to, let's get mike pence to decree new powers in the vice presidency to reject electoral college votes and overturn the popular election, which is what donald trump was talking about over the weekend, that pence had the power, which of course he did not, to overturn the election. and of course the final step was unleashing a violent insurrection against not just the democrats but really the republicans, to make sure that they would keep this plan going until pence cooperated. so it was a seeries of escalatig tactics ending with a coup and an insurrection. >> does the testimony align with what the "times" has been reporting, that the president and allies took steps towards --

the u.s. military, the department of justice and the department of homeland security to seize voting machines? >> i'm seeing the same reporting that you are. and this seems to be based on the reporting one subplot or one set of tactics that didn't go forward. unlike the incitement of the mob to breach the capitol, unlike the clear efforts to go after mike pence. but it does demonstrate his overall purpose and intent, which was something he spoke out loud over the weekend. one of the interesting things about donald trump, sometimes people think because he's so overt about the criminality, it can't really be criminal. if you rob a bank in broad daylight, you're still robbing a bank. >> when you heard him over the weekend about possibly dangling

pardons for insurrectionists, and using the term overthrow the election, it wasn't about finding any irregularities, it was about overturning the democratic election. i mean, we live in an age where it's hard to be surprised by anything. but the fact that he said that out loud, did that surprise you? >> the courts had already rejected the idea that there was some fraud or corruption that would be a predicate for judicial action, not a predicate for beating police officers with steel poles. >> it was overturn, not overthrow. >> yes, he said overturn the election. but, look, donald trump has made an m.o. out of trying to make totally illegal and illegitimate

actions seem legitimate, or to raise the question over whether it was legitimate. you can see what he's doing, because the committee and the department of justice clearly have all the goods on what he was up to. rather than being in a denial mode or sweep it under the rug, kind of orwellian revisionist mode, yes, i was trying to get him to overturn the election, and he had the power to do that, and i'm going to stand by that now. so we have to be very emphatic that in our constitutional system, you can't overthrow the winner of the electoral college by coercing the vice president to declare new powers that don't exist under our constitution. much less can you unleash a violent insurrection against the union. >> congressman, thank you. >> thanks for having me. now the breaking news for every parent of young children, not to mention people who want to see the pandemic end sooner. pfizer seeking emergency use

authorization for its vaccine for kids under the age of 5. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. how does this differ? >> it's a lower dose. they anticipated it would do the trick, you want to use the lowest possible dose to get the same immune response. they're testing a 3 microgram dose. 5 to 11-year-olds, a 30 microgram dose. so this is a tenth of what people who got pfizer got. and for all three shots. this is what they sort of landed on. what they're still sort of trying to figure out, the number of doses, though. >> what do you make of -- so, the number of doses, that is still not clear?

do they get that -- do they figure that out before they gave the emergency use authorization? >> it's a little quirky. last we heard, 6 months to 24 months, it generated a good response. but between 2 and 5, it did not do that. that's what we heard end of last year. now we're hearing that pfizer will submit the emergency use authorization for the two doses. maybe they're counting on the fact that a third dose will get enough of an immune response, and they don't want to slow things down. they want to get the emergency use authorization for the two doses, wait for the third dose to come in, and maybe add that in. but government regulators went to pfizer and say we think you

should apply for the emergency use authorization. that's according to pfizer. maybe there's something the fda is seeing that we haven't yet seen, that gives them the enthusiasm for this. but that looks like how the process unfolded. >> so the fda meets on february 15th to discuss the emergency use authorization. how soon would kids under 5 be able to get their first dose. so parents with kids 24 months to 5 years, they would have to consider do i start getting the course of the two doses, even if the third dose hasn't been approved? >> right. i think that may be the thinking there. and maybe the data on that third dose would come by end of march. when you think about how the doses are spaced out, it might fit, timing-wise. we haven't seen any of this data. right now, all we know is that a

company has asked the fda, they're going to apply for emergency use authorization. that's all we know. at some point hopefully we'll see the data. the fda will review the data. and if it gets authorized, pretty quickly after that takes place, the cdc weighs in, and they make a formal recommendation. this gets added to the vaccine schedule, and within days, people that age can start getting that shot. so it could happen pretty fast. it is a smaller dose, different kits, different needles, that has to be taken into account as well. >> sanjay, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, more breaking news on the first day of black history month. dr. cornell west joins us, the fight over teaching black history, the prospect of a black woman on the supreme court, and

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more breaking news tonight. late today, cnn learned that rust college in mississippi received a bomb threat this morning. others did as well, bringing the numbers of such threats to historically black colleges on this day to 14. it comes on day one of black history months. on the cusp of the naming of what will be the country's first black woman to the supreme court, we wanted to get some perspective from dr. cornel west. dr. west, it's lovely to see you. it's been far too long. what is going on in this country, on this first day of black history month, in the year 2022. 14 historically black colleges and universities get bomb threats? >> yeah, good god, how sad it

is. good to see you, brother. but you got to keep in mind, now, black love is a crime in a white supremacist world. and those colleges are sites of black love. they're affirming the humanity of black folk, affirming the creativity of black folk. and we should not in any way go into a panic or be overly anxiety-ridden. we cannot be surprised by evil. we will not be paralyzed by despair, though, brother. we have to refortify ourselves and be ready to fight on every level. spiritual, political, economic, social. across the board. so here we, first day. shortest month in the year. but a rich month. meaning what? where is the love? where is the courage? where is the vision? where is the solidarity? where is the willingness to

serve? where is the willingness to pay a cost? love is all, brother. love is all. it's a love supreme. but a love supreme means what? you could be headed for the cross. you could be headed towards crucifixion, assassination, criminalization. but you have to keep bearing witness with a smile on your face. that's all we got to work with, my brother. >> it is such a strange time in this country's history, both in good and bad ways, i suppose. but there's this argument over schools and what schools are teaching. and how the history of black people in this country is taught. and what should be taught and who gets offended, and in florida, they're talking about -- where is it, i guess virginia, setting up hotlines for parents to call if they feel offended by what their children

are being taught. i've always thought of schools as places where challenging ideas should be presented. and you want it to be age-appropriate, but isn't that what education is about? >> absolutely. education is fundamentally about being unsettled and being challenged. but we're living in a moment in which neofascism is escalating. and white supremacy is always a public face in america. big money, big military in the background, but white supremacy is always the public face. if wall street and the pentagon wanted to undercut any move towards fascism, they would do it. but will they be with us to push back fascism? it's about censorship, planting distrust and despair in people,

and posing as the only alternative to the chaos, to the anarchy. that's how you get american fascism, how you got mouguys li hitler. we need to be stronger spiritually and morally, in our truth telling. tell the truth about our history. it's not solely slavery and jim crow. john brown was a white brother who died for black people. history will not look pretty. no human history looks pretty. irish, british history is not pretty. indigenous history is not pretty. human history is not a pretty thing. and yet there's always been

cou countervailing forces that attempt to push it back. that's what we have to stand for. >> and acknowledging the history of any country is not pretty is not a -- that's not something to hide, if anything, it shows us how far we've come in some ways, and maybe how far, you know, how little, how short a distance we've come in other ways. but it's a mark, it's part of us. i mean, i have shameful things -- i have shame -- we all have heroes and villains in our families' past. but that's just part of who we are, and it helps us reflect on who we want to be. >> absolutely. if we look inside of our own souls, you see the same kind of civil war on the battlefield of our souls. no story of our own lives is pretty only. all of us have faults and foibles, and limitations and blindnesses. and we also have virtuous

breakthroughs. it's just a question of maturity. the problem is, america has grown powerful and grown rich. it has yet to grow up. it has moved from innocence to corruption without a mediating stage of maturity. and we've got to grow up. james baldwin was right. but we can be in the process of pushing each other, because we're in it together, we hang together, or we hang separately. >> dr. cornel west, i need more dr. cornel west in my life. i appreciate you being with us. >> stay strong, my brother. >> i will. thank you. you, too. you make me stronger. i appreciate it. >> that's wonderful. >> we should mention, dr. west has done a series with masterclass, i like this program. it's really interesting. i cannot wait to see yours, the

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and one of the biggest unsolved mystery of the person who placed pipe bombs. one of them came dangerously close to the vice president. tom foreman has the latest. >> reporter: who is this person caught on security cameras blocks from the capitol on the evening of january 5th, 2021? federal investigators believe they left a pair of pipe bombs outside democratic and republican party headquarters, not discovered until early the next afternoon as the capitol er erupted. >> if these went off, they could have caused serious arm or death. >> reporter: even crude pipe bombs can be enormously powerful. >> on that day, i was not only vice president-elect, i was also a united states senator.

>> reporter: sources have told cnn the incoming vice president kamala harris was inside the dnc office with that bomb outside for nearly two hours before the device was found. but it's been more than a year since that incident, and it seems the trail has gone cold. so what do we know? the fbi says the suspect carried a backpack, wore a gray hoodie and nikes. they say the meandering path suggests they were not from the area. and the bombs were made from kitchen timers and homemade black powder. the fbi has interviewed over 900 people, and studied the way the person walks, hoping to find a

match through gait analysis. >> i'm coming to you today to once again ask for help with the pipe bomb investigation. we still believe there is someone out there who has information they may not have realized was significant until now. >> reporter: it's impossible to say whether the suspect even had ties to the capitol attack, or what the real goal was that day. all we know is that someone managed to plant two bombs in a city boiling with security forces and police. and all this time later, is still on the run. anderson? >> tom, thank you. perspective now from andrew mccabe. we've talked about this before. is it clear why we don't know more at this point? it's fascinating that someone can take a meandering walk in washington, d.c., at a time like

that, and lay down pipe bombs, and there's not more publicly known at this stage and they have not been apprehended. >> i know, it's amazing. when every house has a ring doorbell cam on it, it's extraordinary to think that this person is still unidentified. but these investigations are particularly hard. if you look back at the best example, the unabomber, which took the fbi somewhere in the neighborhood of 15, maybe 17 years of investigation to ultimately identify the unabomber. that was only after he submitted a manifesto and the fbi engineered to have it published, and his brother stepped forward when he recognized it and identified him. these are very, very tough cases. there's no doubt in my mind, the bureau is doing everything they

possibly can. they just don't have much to work with. >> i remember the case, i think we've talked about this in the past, someone in new york city rode a bicycle up to, i can't remember if it was a recruiting station, in times square, yeah, and set a bomb. and it was caught on video, or whatever surveillance camera, and they've never been caught. >> the infamous bicycle bomber. the best piece of evidence we had was the bicycle that was recovered and was thought to be used by the bomber. that person has gone unidentified and unarrested since that time. if you're incredibly careful about the type of evidence you leave on the device. if you never touch it without gloves, and you handle it in a protected way, so it doesn't pick up trace evidence, and you're careful to conceal yourself in the delivery of that

device, it's not easy. but it can be done, to evade detection in this way. >> and we're not saying anything that anybody probably doesn't already know, but there's often talk of the fingerprint of the device itself, the explosive device itself, that bomb makers, the way they do something, each person does it differently. i don't know if pipe bombs are so simple that that may not be the case, but they obviously have the devices so they were able to look at that, and clearly that has not led them anywhere at this stage. >> that's true. but it comes important as we go forward. that's the signature of the device, the way the device is constructed, maybe the way the end caps are welded on to the pipe, the types of materials that they used. this is homemade black powder. that will leave some sort of unique chemical signature. so all that will be important the next time this person leaves

a device somewhere. investigators will likely be able to match it to this one. but right now, it's the first time he's done it. we're working a hard case. >> andrew, thank you. more high-stakes diplomatic discussions on eweukraine and russia. we'll talk about that after the break. ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we can check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl. look forward to planning with schwab. schwab! ♪

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tensions are still boiling over in the russia/ukraine conflict despite high-level talks today. in a call today with antony blinken, sergei lavrov -- in moscow, russian president putin accused the u.s. of trying to draw russia into a conflict with ukraine. despite the tensions, it's a different story at the border. >> reporter: half a dozen

sol soldiers at the border, no sign of heavy weapons. russian forces are just half a mile away. he's saying that every night there's fighting once it gets dark. these front lines have been frozen for years. a russian offensive would change that in an instant. >> joining us now, kaitlan collins. how is the white house responding to the latest comments from putin? >> reporter: well, remember, anderson, this is the first time they're hearing from president putin in quite some time. he and president biden have not spoken since december. he's been virtually silent in the last several weeks, as they've continued to amass forces on ukraine's border. when he comes out accusing the united states of trying to draw russia into armed conflict, he's accusing the u.s. of ignoring their written demands, the one we were talking about, and also

accusing nato of, the word he used was swindling russia. base basically blaming this at the feet of the united states and the west. the white house is saying that everything that putin is saying should be taken with a grain of salt. >> secretary blinken has used some of those analogies in the past. but when the fox is screaming from the top of the henhouse that he's scared of the chickens, that fear is not reported as a statement of fact. when you watch president putin screaming about the fear of ukraine and the ukrainians, that should not be reported as a statement of fact. we know who the fox is in this case. we've seen the buildup of troops at the border, we've seen them move troops to belarus, on another border. our role is to keep that door

o oof diplomacy open. we want to de-escalate and prevent this from happening. but that's up to president putin. >> reporter: and we have not heard about talk of an invasion being imminent. the president said if he had to guess, he would believe that russia would go into ukraine. but today, in an interview with npr, the u.s. ambassador to the united nations said she wouldn't use the word imminent. they're still trying to give russia this diplomatic off-ramp. and there was some hope from u.s. officials based on comments from putin today, talking about continuing dialogue, responding to the united states, maybe having the french president come and visit moscow, maybe diplomacy is still an option. putin is scheduled to go to china for the start of the olympics at this end of this

week. so everybody is watching and waiting to see. >> kaitlan, appreciate it. thank you. joining us now, the former commander of the u.s. army forces in europe, retired lieutenant general ben hodges, who was in ukraine over the weekend. spoke with president zelensky. i appreciate you being with us. i wonder what you saw and heard in kyiv, and how you assessed the situation on the ground there. >> anderson, thank you. i was impressed with president zelensky. he's a fighter, he is not confused about the threat. he understands very clearly what the threat from the kremlin is. but he's also working hard to try to keep his population, let's say, calm and confident about their preparations and of course this is having a significant impact on their economy. as well. >> in your meeting with zelensky, was it clear where his head is with the threat from

russia? there's been this debate about the word imminent. we've heard from ukrainian officials speaking off the record, pushing back on the idea of imminent. >> well, i think it's probably a good thing that the white house is backing away a little bit from the word imminent. because that implies obviously as you know that it's absolutely going to happen. i think that in the zelensky government, they believe this pressure will continue in hopes that the government cracks somehow. and it finally gives in to some sort of concession to the kremlin, and that there would be a crack somewhere with all of us. if you understand that, then you can withstand it for a longer period of time. they know that the russian forces, what they're doing now, they really can do this indefinitely. >> what are the capabilities of the ukrainian forces?

i read they've improved a lot over the last several years. and obviously, the u.s. and others have been sending over javelins and other more high-tech weaponry. what would a fight look like? >> well, i was listening to clarissa's report earlier. she's right there in those trenches. she has a feel for what it looks like in that particular segment. but ukrainian armed forces have improved significantly since 2014. the united states, canada, uk, we've been working with them and frequently, my soldiers would say, we're learning so much from the ukrainians about what it's like to fight against russians. and the ukrainians are very, very tech savvy. they're adaptable. the equipment we provided, they immediately put it to use. this is a good ground force. where the russians of course have the overmatch is going to be in terms of naval capa

capab capabilities, air forces. so there is a mismatch in certain aspects. but on the ground, i think that we're not going to see this big, giant red arrow going across ukraine towards kyiv. because the russians don't have the capability, at least not yet, to do this. there would be a lot of casualties. >> and there was talk of the ukrainian population, and their willingness perhaps for a more p protracted conflict of a different variety. is that realistic? >> sure. if there's a new russian offensivive, i would hate to be a russian truck driver in a convoy. because there will be thousands of ukrainians that are armed. there's a sense of determination and defiance that i've

encouenco encountered. it's not going to be pretty. i don't want to romanticize 30,000 people with ak-47s in the woods. a lot of innocent people will be killed. let's be clear who we're dealing with. and the territorial defense forces, we're a long way from them being ready to fight. there's organizational things and training, of course. but what struck me was the determination and the spirit. the ukrainians are going to fight. >> thank you for joining us. coming up, tom brady officially retiring. many of his super fans are having trouble accepting that. a familiar face to this program will be here to talk about it, as he waves good-bye. that's next. it , block with prilosec otc. for rob, it took years to find out

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tonight marks a historic moment in the history of this program. the mention of football on three consecutive broadcasts. the previous couple days were

sort of suspect, but today it is legit. tom brady is officially really, seriously actually retiring. after days of suspense following the espn report that upstaged this weekend's conference championships the seven-time super bowl-winning quarterback confirmed to the world today he is finished with the game. while the news is beyond bittersweet for tampa bay bucs fans, it is simply the end of a way of life for the new england patriots faithful. that includes my colleague john berman. not sure if you've noticed but john has been telegraphing his heartache in between anchoring newscasts. you'll notice his coat and tie have been replaced by his brady patriots jersey. and a fellow broadcaster is starting to get a little worried. >> one last thing before i go here, allison and victor. somebody's got to get john berman on a therapist's couch. i'm worried about that boy. >> yeah. >> in the aftermath -- i'm just worried about him. >> we are. we all are. we're working on it behind the scenes. don't worry about it, bob. >> good. >> and john berman is here to talk about his feelings.

john, this is a safe space. there's no judgments here. are you okay? how are you doing? how are you really -- how are you really, really doing? >> i'm confused a little bit. i feel a little bit lost. >> sure. >> but i'm pulling through. with the help of friends and family and colleagues like you. and i really do -- i really do appreciate the check-in. >> so what's going on? why is this such a big blow to you? a big deal. to you and to many people in brady nation. >> so it's 22 years. i mean, that's like a big chunk of my life. you know, i'm not that old of a guy. i mean, tom brady, i've had a relationship with tom brady longer than my wife and i have been married. >> wow. >> we've been married for 20 years. >> i don't think you should say that to your wife. it's not the kind of thing i know much about but -- >> hall pass. hall pass. listen, also with brady, if you

were a boston sports fan at all in all seriousness you were used to things going wrong. that's just what happened to you. if you were a red sox fan. the patriots were terrible for a while. things just ended badly. and then with brady all of a sudden they didn't. all of a sudden things stopped being bad and things got recommend, really good. >> so what exactly -- what's he going to -- do you know what he's going to do now? what happens to a football player after they retire? obviously for brady it's a whole other level. he's -- his name recognition is globally known. he's obviously i assume has lots of money in the bank. what happens? >> i think he's going to succeed. my hunch is whatever he does it'll go -- it'll just go well. no, he's into these -- hyper into this nutrition stuff. he's got this company tb12 where he doesn't eat nightshades and he eats things that make his joints not grind or something. he's also married to gisele bundchen, who i think has made more money in her career than he

has, substantially more. so i think -- i have a sense that they're going to find a way to be happy. >> i hope so. they also have adorable kids. so i hope he can spend a lot more time with them. now, i've seen a lot of -- as you know, i really don't know much about football. i did catch the end of the 49ers game this weekend because i was on a plane next to somebody who happened to be watching and so i turned it on on my screen. and it was enjoyable to watch. is he the g.o.a.t.? i've seen a lot of people referring to him as the good the get, which i looked sxip know it means the greatest of all time. but is he the g.o.a.t.? >> i think football the answer is a clear yes. seven super bowl ppz no one else is even close. no one else is even remotely close. he was in ten. and the success he's had over the duration, it's just -- you can't argue against it. if you talk about other sports, there's michael jordan, bill russell with the celtics won 11 championships. he won an olympic gold medal. he coached two of the championships. he won a college championship.

bill russell might be the winningest human in the history of mankind. but brady the g.o.a.t. when it comes to football. >> and i'm being told to get your reaction to a headline. i have no judgment on this headline. i didn't write it. "tom brady, who lost two super bowls to the giants during his legendary 22-year nfl career, retires." i'm assuming that's not how you would describe it. >> i think that's just cruel. >> yeah, it seemed like a slight of some -- >> mean, malicious people out there who want to do nothing besides hurt. >> that was probably a giants fan who wrote that, somewhere in a control room somewhere. >> i know. absolutely. and i think they should be ashamed of themselves. frankly. now, look -- >> so how long are you going to wear that jersey for? >> i don't intend to take it off ever. it's actually -- the funny thing is i got this jersey and i used to only wear it when the patriots were in the super bowl. but it's got a lot of use. i mean, as a result i've worn it a lot of times. >> sure. >> so you know, patriots super bowls and cnn live shots.

>> all right. well, john berman, i wish you well and i'm sorry for what you're going through. and i hope -- i'm sure tom brady feels the same way about breaking up with you that you feel about him breaking up with the team. so maybe he'll give you a call. >> anderson, it it means a lot. thank you. >> all right, john, thanks very much. and we'll be right back. at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead. we are morgan stanley.

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the news continues. let's turn things over now to don and "don lemon tonight." >> thank you very much, anderson. this is dnl "don lemon tonight" we have some breaking news that's just in to cnn, a story we first brought you last night on this very program. abc has suspended whoopi goldberg for two weeks in the wake of her comments on "the view" yesterday claiming the