good evening and we begin with new reporting that shows the former president was more deeply and directly involved in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election than was previously known. this simply put is a first. reporting that for the first time identifies him as the driving forces behind one of the most toxic and anti-democracy forces to overturn the election that he lost. new reporting on the subject, the story adds the news of a second draft order on the

seizure of voting machines and which we reported on last night. it also leaves a remarkable impression, which though it's not the lead, underscores how just beyond the pale the entire saga truly was. so inappropriate, so unprecedented that in at least one facet of the former president's search for some agency to seize voting machines and swing states, this guy, the sad sack, once a well respected spam for life lock, rudy giuliani may have actually been a voice of reason. do you realize how ludicrous an idea would have to have been for rudy giuliani to be a voice of reason about it? he stood next to the release the kraken ley lady. the same rudy giuliani channeling braveheart. >> let's have trial by combat. >> that rudy giuliani. in this case it seems a voice of reason.

the one who reportedly said no at least to one especially dire option the former president was exploring. now the episode is contained in this newtimes reporting that as i mentioned adds to cnn's reporting from last night that there were these two executive orders drafted on seizing voting machines, won involving the department of homeland security in addition to the ones we know about from the defense department. the "new york times" says the oformer president to call the department of security to ask them if they could legally take control of the machines in swing states. ken kukoc nell ply who said according to "the times" that homeland security officials could not take part in the plan. both the times and cnn reported a the time on the call, but not that it came at the former president's direction. according to "the times," it came shortly plans were abandoned to order the pentagon to do it, plans one of the plotters floated publicly at the time.

>> he could immediately on his order seize every single one of these machines around the country, on his order. he could also order -- he could order the -- within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election in each of those states. >> that guy used to be a respected general. he's talking about the military going into swing states, seizing voting machines and rerunning an election under the auspices of the military that was on december 27. the next day, as you know, he, sidney powell, businessman patrick burn and rudy giuliani met with the president. according to from "the times" story, mr. giuliani was vehemently opposed to the idea of the military seizing the machines according to two people familiar with the matter. even though giuliani spent weeks peddling outrageous claims felt

it was beyond the pale. so the former president then turned to homeland security said to call ken cuccinelli who said homeland department officials could not take part. this wasn't just a gathering of crackpots pitching half baked ideas somewhere. i was the commander in chief soliciting them, ordering people to find out what might work. according to "the times," several weeks prior to this, the former president had also pressed then attorney general barr on the idea of confiscating voting machines, something barr dismissed privately at the time and publicly on december 21st. >> i see no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. a wholesale seizure of machines by the federal government. >> so this seems to have ended one particular approach to overturning the election, which this new reporting now ties the former president actively and not passively into. and it fits what we already know from his public actions, which

also were hands-on, such as repeatedly and publicly demanding mike pence reject electoral vote from swing states, something he confessed over the weekend was part of a department to not investigate irregularities but in his words to overturn the election. that certainly was hands-on, self-incriminating, fingerprints and all. so was the statement saying the house select committee investigate mike pence. that's right. he suggested they investigate mike pence as another pence aide spoke with the committee today. at the rate this is going, we may learn that the only instance in this entire sick eing affair where the former president truly was hands-off was when a violent mob was attacking the capitol, beating cop, and seeking to hang mike pence. we already know the president did nothing to stop it. joining us now with her new reporting, "new york times" washington correspondent and cnn political analyst maggie haberman. maggie, first of all you have new reporting now that the january 6 committee is looking into the former president's role in all the proposals to seize

voting machines. this is just coming out now. your reporting it. what are your sources telling you? >> so the committee -- we reported last night, as you noted, anderson, that the former president was directly involved in some of these efforts to explore whether the government, the government that he oversaw could seize the apparatus of the votes and either hold on to them as evidence or do some kind of an audit. and now we know that the committee is looking into whether this was done, why this was done, and was it part of a broader effort by, you know, some advisers to trump, these outside advisers to create a kind of national security event that would validate him using the military or using government more aggressively. now the dhs component that you just talked about which we reported on last night related to an effort that was giuliani was involved in making a phone call about to try to see if there was a civilian entity

or -- not civilian, excuse me, a nonmilitary entity in the government that could take possession of the machines and audit them or seize them or look through them and so forth. the answer that they got back was no. but that is all what the committee is looking at. and they're looking at mike flynn in particular, anderson, as a key witness. now mike flynn we know was very involved in pushing this idea of seizing the machines. you played the audio of what he said on newsmax the night before that oval office meeting that interview on what he said on newsmax, as i understand it and understood it for the past 14 minutes, further what he said in that meeting. but nonetheless, he was still advocating in that meeting that the former president had the power to authorize the government to do this. >> and what more do you know about rudy giuliani's role in all this? he was arguably the most outspoken person in a rogue's gallery of outspoken, outlandish claims made by people. he was certainly among the top when it came to outrageous claims about election fraud. but you report at a certain

point even he balked at some of this, at least the military component. >> so anderson, and we reported this at the time too, although i think we know more detail now. others have as well, jonathan swan at axios in particular at the time, or a few months afterwards. but giuliani was opposed to how far powell and flynn were going. giuliani played a key role in trying to get powell out of the trump legal team, which had actually happened well before this meeting. and yet there she was in the oval office again. giuliani did say no to this. july you was absolutely encouraging a lot of claims for fraud for which he never provided evidence. but on this one he was saying to the president, the former president that this was too far. part of why it's notable that the former president told him to make this phone call to ken cuccinelli is that, a, it puts the former president there when people have tried really hard to suggest that he was kind of a passive observer, and these things were just being brought to him as if the oval office is some kind of a bus stop and not

something that he sits in and has control of. but also, giuliani has been the focal point for a lot of the former president former aides and present aides as giuliani is the one who got him in all these problems, again, as if the former president has no role in where he ended up and where things ended up, and he did. >> and when says he wants to investigate former vice president pence, or wants the january 6 committee to investigate, how much of that is just performance art trying to rile up his supporters? he needs to fill some minutes on a stage? how much does the former president actually believe is based in reality? >> so i don't think that he actually cares whether the committee investigates mike pence one way or the other, anderson. i think that honestly, my read on that statement which came out today was that it was some kind of an attempt, and i'm using "attempt" in air quotes, but it was some kind of an attempt of a cleanup from a statement he issued over the weekend where he used the phrase that mike pence

had the power to, quote, overturn the election. that is what trump's folks have been saying this whole time was not the goal, that they wanted the election to be right. they wanted it to be done right that would be acknowledging that the election did not go his way and that they were indeed trying to overturn it that statement was breathtaking. it certainly provides fodder and possible evidence to the committee and to prosecutors and to civil litigants who are suing in relation to the january 6 riots. so i think that's what that statement was about. but it's been a breathtaking couple of days of donald trump statements. >> but the former president hasn't come out and said oh, by the way, i misspoke. of course i didn't mean overturn the election. >> when does he ever say that? >> that's what's fascinating. he is sort of caught between, you know, his pathological, you know, claims that he -- everything he says is perfect and he doesn't make mistakes and also saying something which is clearly the quiet part he is speaking out loud. so it's sort of fascinating to

watch. he has come up with this other diversion which is oh, yeah, they should go after mike pence. >> right. and, look, it's certainly getting attention, right, that this is what he said. and it's a striking statement on its own. but, yeah, i think it was in relation to trying to undo what he said two nights ago without, as you say, he never -- he never says whoops, that was an error. let me undo that. sometimes he'll say you're taking me out of context or the fake news media is doing this or that or the other. i think there might have been some of that in the latest statement today. but mostly i think this was about trying to undo what he had said. >> he also floated pardons for insurrectionists. >> yeah. >> i heard you say yesterday that he is in, quote, burn it all down mode. can you elaborate on that? >> i don't -- i don't feel any differently today. i think that -- >> sorry to interrupt, but he also said in that speech, he said "our country is corrupt,

our election is corrupt." he said the country is corrupt. >> he has been saying iterations of in, various pieces of this, anderson, for many, many months. we have not seen all of them together when you put all of them together, not just the dangling of pardons for people who were arrested during the january 6 riot, but also -- and this really does remain to me much more striking, frankly, the pardon thing is a stunning moment. he also talked about the investigations into him. he is facing multiple investigations, criminal investigations, and into his business, which has already faced an indictment. and he encouraged his supporters to go have, you know -- i forget what his exact language was, but huge protests in washington, atlanta, new york, if anything improper, as he put it happens to him from prosecutors. i think we know that donald trump has a pretty low bar for what he considers improper for how prosecutors deal with him. and that was -- that was far more explicit than anything we

heard him say ahead of january 6. it was really quite striking. >> maggie haberman, appreciate it. thank you. former trump campaign strattist david urban, and state of the union co-anchor dana bash. david, it's lovely to see you. i don't think you've been on for a while. it's great to have you back. according to maggie's reporting, the january 6 committee is now looking into former president trump's role in the plans to seize voting machines. in addition that, harvard constitutional law professor laurence tribe was on the program last night and said of the former president's statements this last weekend there was no clearer guilty than the one he said out loud. he said it was his purpose to overturn the election. there any possible defense for what the former president has said or done here? i'm sorry this is your first. welcome back to the program. >> anderson, there is a lot to unpack in maggie's reporting in the segment you just did there, right? it's amazing to me that these

outside advisers, these kind of ad hoc advisers such a as sidne powell and michael flynn and others were able to get into the white house and flotilla float these really nutty ideas what should be happening. as maggie's reporting says, when giuliani went to ken cuccinelli, it was smacked down. when the attorney general barr was asked about it, it was smacked down. to the best of my knowledge, nobody at dod had ever heard about this at all. these memos were being circulated to ad hoc groups. >> but they were being presented to the president. they were being -- >> exactly. >> and the president was responding to them. and in fact liked it enough that he had giuliani approach cuccinelli, which is amazing. >> exactly. so it is amazing, anderson. there is no other word to say. it's amazing, right? i know that -- i don't know firsthand, but white house council pat cipollone i know would have also kind of pushed back on these. i know because he was ade omitt

from many of these meetings. there is no way the say that's okay, that's acceptable. no. it's outside the norm. what i think, if there was one thing to say, in my opinion, this was looking to preserve evidence is what you're saying earlier. maggie's reporting says they're looking to preserve evidence in voting machines in case, in case some of these court cases went the other way and said that the states, you know, there were going to be further investigation of irregularities and voting patterns and voting bootes around the nation. they wanted to preserve evidence. that's the best defense that i can give you on that. but not a very strong one. >> yeah, obviously, they can say it's for whatever reason they want, but once these machines have been seized and are being held by the military or ken cuccinelli or members of the homeland security department, or sidney powell is protecting them, or field marshal mike flynn who would have been

appointed field marshal, who knows. go ahead. >> i was going to say, let's just remember, our government is strong. it bent, right? it but it never broke in any of these situation. >> thank god. >> ken cuccinelli, mike pence, barr, none of these folks, anybody on the left would ever say hey, great job, guys. but at every instance, they did the right thing. they did the right thing for america. the government bent, but never broke i think there is a lot of folks -- i don't speak for folks on the left, but there is certainly a lot of folks of all stripes who i think are thankful that mike pence did what he did and barr as well. dana, what does it say that even giuliani was on some level against the idea of seizing voting machines by the military? >> that it gives you a very good sense of just the level of

outsiders and complete, frankly, you know, when it comes to the law sort of legal loons who were in there and around the president. and that's because those are the people he wanted near him. he didn't want to hear no. he wanted yes people. he wanted people coming up with creative ideas, include ing somebody who is a veteran who has a distillery in texas who is sending in all these ideas. this is the president of the united states talking about an election he lost. and just the fact that david, who helped get donald trump elected in 2016 cannot even find much of a sliver of defense, as it's indefensible situation, told you everything you need to know. the last part of "the new york times" story i thought was really telling, that giuliani said that if this plan to have the military get involved and

seize the voting machines goes through, then the president would probably be impeached. it was just a couple of weeks later, not even that there was an insurrection on the capitol, and giuliani was involved in the rally beforehand, and that did prompt the second impeachment of the president. so it might not have been that, but it was something that we couldn't even have imagined a the time. >> i was just going into a revery about imagining myself running a distillery in texas, and it sounds like a lovely idea actually. that's what i spent the last 30 seconds imagining. that sounds like a great way of life, actually. david, if the former president -- >> as long as you're not plotting to overthrow the government. >> there is that. david, if the former president does run again, how difficult will it be for law and order republicans, for constitutional -- people who support the constitution, knowing that he, you know, is

floating the idea at the very least publicly of pardoning people who may get convicted of violence on the day of the insurrection, that he, you know, liked the idea of going to department of homeland security, seizing voting machines? >> anderson, that's a really interesting point, right. why is donald trump still incredibly popular in america? why? it's an answer that needs to be kind of probed. what's going on in america that people feel so disenfranchised that they feel like donald trump, no matter how outrageous, no matter what he does, speaks for them more than anybody else in our country. it's something that i think really your viewer, people in america need to think about, right. obviously very disheartened by the current state of play. they look at what's happening with price, with inflation, with their jobs, and they're not happy. look at right track, wrong track

in america. 74% of americans think america is hea it speaks to the overall mood in the country. >> if i may, david, that is -- it is true that there is a overall feeling of malaise in the country right now. but that's separate and apart from the fact that not all, but some of the supporters who were ride or die for the former president, it's because they are being fed a steady diet of the lies that were part of the discussion that we're talking about that happened in the oval office when he was president. and not for nothing, i know there is a lot of hypocrisy in washington, and we talk about that every day. but does anybody see any irony in the fact that republicans blocked voting reform, a federal legislation to reform voting in order to have a national --

nationalized set of standards? and you had the president, the former president talking about ways to use not one, not two, but three different federal agencies to overturn an election? >> david, go ahead. >> go ahead, anderson. >> that's a whole hour discussion right there. we could go on forever. i think our segment wrapping up. >> it's true. but come on. >> a lot to discuss. >> there is no consistency whatsoever. >> to be continued. dana bash, david irvin, appreciate it. coming up, the former cdc director joining us to talk about the breaking news. pfizer applying for authorization so parents can finally get their kids as young as 6 months old vaccinated against covid. we'll take a look at that and whether it's safe and what the timetable on this might be. and later, what life is right now on ukraine's eastern front lines with the russian army a short distance away. cnn's clarissa ward with how

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there is breaking news that will come as a relief to many parents of young children. pfizer late today said it is requesting emergency use authorization for the two-shot reg gin of its vaccine in children as young as 6 months old. a version is already approved for kids 5 to 11. it's got a lower dose than the 12 and older shot. this newest one would be lower still. federal authorities hope to get it approved by late this month. i want to talk with former cdc director dr. tom frieden who just published a piece entitled why i'm cautious about covid vaccine. ages 6 months to five years. if they get it, what kind of safety protocols has that already gone through to get to that point? >> right. well, it's more good news, anderson, because it means that now parents who want to get their kids vaccinated can get

their kids vaccinated. and although kids rarely get severely ill from covid, it does happen sometimes, particularly kids who are more vulnerable. and those kids can spread it to their grandparents or other people in the family. so it's one more tool in our armor to protect them. 5 to 11s, we've seen no significant safety signals. always you have to say, you know, when millions of people get something, you may see a rare adverse effect. but generally, we see this in the older kids. we haven't seen problems in the younger. so it's more good news. it's more strength for our defenses against covid. >> pfizer was encouraged to seize authorization on two doses instead of three and parents can start the process of getting their two doses while waiting for data and emergency authorization on the third. >> yeah, i think that's really important. it is absolutely the truth that there was no rushing for any of the vaccines that are authorized

in the u.s. to determine do they work and are they safe. they work and they're safe. however, what the vaccine schedule should be is much more complicated. and that may take months or even years to optimize. it's probably a three-dose schedule for lots of people. but we really don't know that yet. nor do we know the right interval between doses. that's going to be with time. but we do know that vaccines are remarkably effective. in fact, more data out today from the cdc showing stunning high levels of protection against omicron even against omicron infection with vaccinated people. even more with boosted people. and that's really quite striking, that the vaccines are holding up against severe illness and even to a lesser extent, but still significantly against infection itself. >> so if they get emergency use authorization for 6 months old up to 5, does that mean that they've already done trials with it in children, and they've seen that it's safe?

or is it just -- >> absolutely. >> computerized trials that they do? >> they've given it to kids. they've seen kids not having any adverse events, having an ontario body response that is correlated with protection. we're not certain about that yet, but vaccines, all of them that are licensed in the u.s. are highly effective. what's really important is if you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated. if you're not boosted, and it's time to get boosted, five months after your last shot if you got an mrna vaccine, two months after a j&j vaccine, get your booster as well. >> i want to turn to your piece. why are you cautiously optimistic, and what is different in your mind about this moment? >> we are better prepared, better defended than we ever have been. we have multiple lines of defense. lots of immunity from vaccines and also from all of the infects that people have gotten. better masks, new treatments that can drive down death rates,

more tests available, better genomic surveillance. we're less likely to be taken by surprise by a new variant or the recurrence of delta or another variant. we're better prepared than ever. we're better defended than ever. we can save lives more than ever. but we do have another month or two of lots of omicron. levels are still sky-high. the new variant that we've seen in europe is likely to come here and spread, and that may extend by a couple of weeks the number of cases. we're still seeing more than 2,000 deaths a day in the u.s. so we're not out of the woods. but i do think that we're in a better position than we've ever been before. and though we can't be certain there won't be a new nightmare variant, we are better prepared. and i do think 2022 is going to be a lot brighter in terms of our fight against the covid virus. >> obviously people who are still unvaccinated should still get vaccinated, though, because they are at risk of dying. >> absolutely. and what we're seeing in the

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8 for their comments about vote counting. mike detmer, running for state senate was asked at a campaign event over the weekend what republican poll watcher would do if they're not allowed to observe the process. this is what they said. >> yes, i do. but the american people at some time; if you can't change the tide, which i think we can, we need to be prepared. you ask what we can do. show up armed. >> lock and load, show up armed. again, ask what they can do if this happens in detroit, officials limit the number of participants, he said, quote, to show up armed. ryan kelly running for governor was at the same event. he appeared to suggest that observers can tamper with the vote machines themselves. >> if you see something you don't like happening with the machines, if you see something going on, unplug it from the

wall. >> now if -- that's what he said. this guy running for governor. if you don't like what kryou're seeing, then, quote, unplug it from the wall. i'm joined by the state's attorney general. appreciate you being with us. so what does it say about where the country is right now that two republican candidates for office in michigan are encouraging people to potentially break election laws? >> well, i think it's hardly surprising given who the person is that is the leader of this party. and, of course, they are just following through on the same words and really actions of the former president of the united states, donald trump, who of course, you know, we have seen him violate law after law. clearly, there is some sort of an investigation that's ongoing, we hope, the department of justice in terms of whether or not he was involved in a conspiracy to essentially overthrow the united states

government and undermine the 2020 election. and so you have people like these -- one of them is a trump endorsed candidate, the state senate candidate, mr. detmer. and, you know, the other individual, mr. kelly, he has been saying these things continually on the campaign trail. and when you have somebody in the type of position of authority that donald trump has been in and he's flouting the law, then of course you have these people who are begging for his approval and who are following the lead of their leader. but these are illegal acts. and it doesn't matter that the encouragement comes from the former president. these are still crimes. >> right. if someone were to actually try to unplug a voting machine on election day at a voting booth, what would happen? >> they'd be arrested, and they would be prosecuted. likely by me. >> what does the prospect of people showing up with guns to a

polling place mean for the safety and integrity, who feel emboldened and empowered to unplug voting machines. are there armed police at most voting stations? i don't recall seeing that. >> well, we're not supposed to be seeing that. and in fact, we encountered this issue during the presidential election in 2020, and we went to great lengths at my department to make sure that voters would be protected and also that election workers would be protected. i sent out a 16-page memo to all of law enforcement in the state, the state police, all the county prosecutors, the municipal police, the sheriffs association, and basically what we outlined is this. now the police are not supposed to be at the polls. they be a very intimidating force. and we see that in other countries. we don't want that in the united states of america. but what we did want is for law enforcement to be prepared so if there was an incident that the poll workers themselves were unable to handle, that the

police could be called in immediately. and i will say that our secretary of state jocelyn benson did make an effort to issue a directive that would ban open carry at the polls. we were so worried about voters being intimidated and threatened and deterred from their fundamental right to vote. fortunately, we didn't see any of that on election day, but we had a 24-hour hotline that was open at my department just in case we saw that occur. what we ended up seeing was actually, you know, more concerning incidents during the counting of the ballots at the counting board in detroit at tfc center that was brought on by the republicans when the then chairwoman of the party asked to have people from all over the state come in and congregate and try to push their way into the counting boards. >> it's remarkable times. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me. up next we take you to

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a call between top u.s. and russian diplomats didn't ratchet down tensions on ukraine. a senior state department official says russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov spoke with secretary of state antony blinken but didn't give any indication russia would de-escalate bray the border. hosting the british and polish prime ministers and announced what he called a format of political cooperation in europe, including all three countries. while diplomatic efforts continue, we want to take you to the front lines to show you what it looks like on the ground. our chief international correspondent clarissa ward got there. here is her report. >> reporter: this is ukraine's first line of defense if russia decides to invade, and it is basic. half a dozen soldiers in snow-covered trenches. no sign of heavy weapons. russian-backed separatists are just half a mile away.

he is saying that every night there is fighting once it gets dark. these front lines have been frozen for years. a russian offensive would change that in an instant. but the alarm in washington is not shared here. what's amazing to see is that despite the buildup of tanks and heavy weaponry on the russian side of the border, which is less than 20 miles from here, here on the ukrainian side, there is no sense at all that anyone is preparing for an invasion. the sergeant here asked we not give his name. he says he doesn't expect conflict, but he is prepared. "our commanders told us that we must be alert," he tells it. "we are ready to meet guests from russia." what kind of weapons do you have at this position? do you have any heavy weaponry? i don't see any, but i just want the make sure. "you don't need to see. and the enemy doesn't need to see," he says.

"but we have everything." what they don't have here are many layers of defense. driving from the front we see just a handful of checkpoints. if the ukrainian army can't hold this area, russian forces could reach a port city of half a million in hours. despite the threat, life here goes on much as normal. at the local markets, stalls are open and the shelves are full. i'd love to know if you think will be a war. "we dent want war. we have children and grandchildren, "natalia says. "and there won't be war. we believe that." some say that america is exaggerating the threat. "no, there will not be a war," he says." it's only biden who thinks this. it's interesting talking to people here. nobody seems to be remotely concerned about the prospect of

an imminent invasion. these people are no strangers to war. all around mriopol the hollowed out remnants of villages destroyed and abandoned by fighting between ukrainian forces and russian pro separatists. but whether moved by denial or disbelief, these soldiers and the people they're protecting don't expect history to repeat itself. for now, they wait and they watch and they hope. >> clarissa, if there is an invasion, how tough a fight would this be for ukrainians? >> this would be a very tough fight indeed. the ukrainians are vastly outnumbered on the ground, in the air, and that's part of the reason the u.s. has been sending all these weapons, including these javelin missiles. these are tank averager piercing missiles. but as part of the ceasefire agreement, which is being breached on a regular base circumstances as we saw, those

heavy weapons, those javelin missiles cannot go down on to the front lines into those areas that we visited. and that could potentially make it very difficult for ukrainian forces if you saw some kind of a lightning offensive, anderson. so there is no question here the ukrainians are potentially facing a very tough fight. >> clarissa ward, appreciate it. thank you. coming up, hate in america. from nazi rallies on our streets to terror aimed at synagogues. we'll take you inside a survival training program for when things get far uglier than this disgusting scene, next. living with metastatic breast cancer means being relentless. because every day matters. and having more of them is possible with verzenio. the only one of its kind proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant, regardless of menopause status.

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of the worries. 2,000 incidents in the year 2020, it's a slight decrease from the year before but still one of the worst years on record. -- with others. tonight, we see how that synagogue and others are learning to deal with such attacks. >> what you are about to see is not a real threat, but it looks like it. scores of people running. plunged in to darkness. >> the victims of an approaching gunman in the hall way, what do they need to do? earlier a congregation, the

members of the jewish community were told you cannot freeze. if you can get out, get out. if you cannot get out, lock down. hard lockdown, if you cannot get out or lock down, have you to fight for your life, you have no other choice. >> this is active shooter and active threat training for the jewish community here. the trainers are from the military the fbi, the polices. the secure community network. scn, a nonprofit group, calling themselves the official safety organization for the jewish community in north america. the. >> the act of hiding, prone, and playing dead is the last act of a desperate person. it's not something that we can abide by. >> reporter: the scn has a command center in chicago. it was here where they were in contact with the fbi and dhs during the recent hostage situation in nearby conleyville, texas. that synagogue had scn training last august.

>> i met with one of the hostages today, and he re-emphasized what he said on television. they escaped, they weren't rescued, because of the training they received. exactly the type of training we're going to go through this evening. >> reporter: the classroom instruction is over. time for the drill. >> we're going to practice hiding, locking down, and we're going to talk about what we will do if we have to fight for our life. >> reporter: pile up furniture against the door, turn off the lights. make it harder for the shooter to kill. >> lock the room down, to prevent physical access as well as line of sight access. >> reporter: once again, what they learn to do. >> gunshots are coming down the highway. people are starting to panic. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. get up! go! move, move, move! >> reporter: the lights turned off to foil the terrorist's

vision. >> you have 30 seconds to save your life. move! move! >> reporter: when the drill ends, furniture is against the door. >> you guys did fantastic. >> reporter: and the security expert added this. be creative, like hitting a terrorist on the head with a fire extinguisher. or spraying it into their eyes. >> pull, aim, squeeze. side to side. what they can't see, they can't kill. okay? that's why my favorite improvised weapon next to a fire extinguisher is a hot cup of coffee. >> what happened in conleyville was frightening. everyone here feels much more prepare.

>> i knew nothing coming in. and the fact that they said turn off the lights, barricade, run, hide, they gave a number of things that were so crucial. >> reporter: the rabbi also took part in the training. >> i think we all will walk out in a better position to deal with any crisis that might come our way. >> gary is with me now from dallas. is it safe to assume, the organization has received a lot more requests for this kind of training since the latest hostage situation? >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. a huge number of training requests. last year, they trained about 17,000 people, this year, they expect possibly the number to be quadrupled. the synagogues and centers don't pay for this, the money comes from donors. >> gary, thank you.

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